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 cotter
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Hydrofracking Ban Across New York State ... looks like someone is on the right track ...

I guess there was some concern about what the state health department found about the quality of water ... when it comes to people drinking the water or even letting vegetables grow in the soil.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:51:12 PM
the problem with fracking around in upper NY, is that it's pretty darn close to the aquifers that feed the city. Cause an earthquake or pollute that in any other way, and you've got a combination of "DryLanta" Georgia and California. Millions of people looking for water in a densely populated corridor.

The problem with wind is the land has to be bought, the political donations made by the coal and natural gas companies has to be overcome, then the farms have to be built. But if a building burning natural gas already exists, nothing needs to be built or bribed--just pump the cheap natural gas (cheaper than coal at this moment) on in.
When fuel prices rise enough to make new infrastructure a viable investment...

Nuclear power is clean, until you decide where to put the waste. Or you have a 3 Mile Island or Fukiyami (sic). that's why nuclear is one of the most expensive, the insurance is soooo high, you have to get a boatload of government subsidies (so much even the local newspaper notices them) to offset the cost. that's the real reason why no one builds the things anymore.

given a choice between the noise of windmills versus the asthma of coal plants in the city, eventually even the NIMBY's will go with wind as an additional source of energy to offset some of the total demand.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 12/18/2014 7:46:09 PM
Nuclear could work.The Chinese copied a German design that uses pellets that get cycled through.They built the first one in about 18 months,and they can be expanded.Canada has SlowPoke reactors which can be automated and take a full week to boil over even if deliberately disabled.These are much smaller than Chernobyl.
 the_summerwind
Joined: 9/11/2014
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Posted: 12/29/2014 4:53:50 PM

$1.99 a gal for gas in the near future here......^^^^^ till May...



Sorry......as I need to make another adjustment from my prediction at $1.99 a gal at the pump here 2 weeks ago & now it will go to $1.59 a gal. till May naturally.....^^^

And the price of gold will fall even faster......^^^^ Cha-ching...... xo America...... and as for the Keystone Cops here...lets hope you get the pipeline into Vancouver,WA. or train headways... before they people there swash that deal....
as it will happen,KXL will be built nonetheless maybe once the Republicans take over in Congress or when gas goes back to $4.oo a gal or more.
Methinks too much fracking going on & the rest of the world is going into a depression. As our dollar will be back on track....


And the beat goes on.....Cher
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 1/6/2015 3:45:21 PM
So, oil falls to $48 a barrel. the G7 nations all have inflation dropped down to 2% from the normal 3%, and companies like the one Eric works for are socking away money rather than spending, in case deflation means the economy is going downward (Wall Street is already thinking so, that low oil isn't about too much supply but not enough demand. From a record level, WS dropped out of concern America's government wasn't going to do a whole lot under the split ticket, and now deflation has 'em worried. Get your blue chips now while the prices are low, in case you ever wanted to buy low, sell high).

and so what's the new Congress going to push first? Keystone. Never mind that the oil companies don't want more shale oil out there in the market, never mind that Congress could just wait for prices to go up, and sneak Keystone onto a must-pass bill then, when no one notices. Nope, they're gonna do it now and be seen failing.

Maybe Congress thinks its a loaded .357 Magnum--hey Saudis, keep oil prices low or we're going to move more shale oil than you can move your own oil! Of course, that plan might lower campaign contributions from Exxon and Shell and the other Seven Sisters....

maybe its a publicity stunt.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/6/2015 4:49:54 PM
Do you remember this post from 3 weeks ago?


And Mr Irish it not at $50 per barrel yet. Much closer to $60. But you do have a point, so long as OPEC keeps flooding the market, it will slow down or stop fracking and put the XL pipeline on hold. Does anyone remember the Alaskan pipeline project?


Well oil settled at $48/barrel today. Keystone to break even needs oil at $75/barrel. So lets put a pipeline thru one of the worlds largest sources of fresh water and pipe one of the most toxic petroleum products through it so that the Chinese can have cheap oil...meanwhile...no one will produce that toxic product at a loss.
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 1/7/2015 6:38:19 AM

and so what's the new Congress going to push first? Keystone. Never mind that the oil companies don't want more shale oil out there in the market, never mind that Congress could just wait for prices to go up, and sneak Keystone onto a must-pass bill then, when no one notices. Nope, they're gonna do it now and be seen failing.


But it isnt about producing more oil...or putting more shale oil out there in the market....its about transporting a good chunk of this existing oil (which is claimed to be one of the most toxic petroleum products) SAFELY through a pipeline rather than shipping it in thousands & thousands of rail tanker cars careening across the country, along rail lines that run thru one of the worlds largest sources of fresh water, along rivers, over bridges that span sensitive waterways , & through densely populated cities, burning untold millions of gallons of Diesel fumes along the way. We all know the health dangers of Diesel exhaust..

Canadian oil sands-derived crude oil is just one part of our multi-source energy portfolio. In 2012, the United States imported 438 million barrels of oil sands-derived crude oils, 125% more than in 2005.

Millions of gallons of it goes to refinery in thousands of railroad cars that criss-cross the country 24/7, pulled by those magical "ELECTRIC" locomotives that burn millions of gallons of diesel fuel hauling these oil tankers, because some crybabies dont want a pipeline to pipe it to refinery.

....but since that pipeline is being held up, much of this crude must be shipped via rail in hundreds of thousands of tanker cars thousands of miles to their destinations, by those magical ELECTRIC locomotives that burn millions of gallons of diesel fuel accomplishing that task.

Many of these oil trains come south from Toledo, running right through my city on major rail arteries, on its way to the East Coast or the Gulf Coast . I see them when Im stopped at the railroad crossing very near where I live.

These same oil trains pass through where I still have rental property in West Virginia, spewing diesel exhaust fumes all the way from the the oilfields in Alberta through the suburbs of Columbus, through the lands of WV & PA on its way to the East Coast & Gulf Coast.

Over a million gallons of this oil was spilled from rail cars in 2013. Why are we still chancing this risk, all while burning millions & millions of gallons of Diesel fuel hauling these hundreds of thousands of tank cars to their destinations thousands of miles from their point of origin, all the while under the threat of a possible derailment disaster when it could be piped through a dedicated pipeline that doesnt require burning millions & millions of gallons of Diesel fuel PUMPING it to its destination?


 gtomustang
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:06:39 AM
If pipeline security had a good track record, and if the west had more aquifiers to risk (between California and Las Vegas, there's not many left to drain) and it wasn't such a giant terrorist target ('cause we're supposed to still be afraid of that)...

Like you said, its the most toxic petroleum. So why not refine it at its own location, then transport it? The argument is of course that refineries have too many rules to build, so we must use the old grandfather'd ones. Of course, that's baloney--we could build more, but then we'd have more oil on the market and we see what that does. Plus new refineries wouldn't have to be shut so long each spring, when driving season starts and thus the price of gas must conveniently go up every year as those old refineries get a lube job.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:48:04 PM
Here's a thought. Let the TransCanada Corporation build a pipeline to a Canadian port, put a refinery there, and let the Canadians despoil their own land and waters.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:10:05 PM

Here's a thought. Let the TransCanada Corporation build a pipeline to a Canadian port...

That is already in the works... one going west and one east... plus Canada already has a number of pipelines between central/western Canada and the east coast... they were built as east-west pipelines... but... also in the works are plans to reverse some of them... and even though there are other "Canadian" pipelines... besides XL... already being built in the US... a lot of the crude bought by US companies will still have to be tankered to the gulf coast... or taken by rail...

The economic benefit of XL will accrue primarily to Canada and some oil companies (but you guys won't see any real tax benefits from it... that's for sure)... So it's really six of one and a half dozen of the other... as far as the US is concerned... there are going to be accidents... oil spills... the real question is... where do you want them...? Along the eastern and south-eastern seaboard...? Around rail lines and rail hubs in the east and eastern mid-west...? or in the western mid-west along a pipeline route...?

Take your pick...
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:23:33 AM
Stuff hybrids and Jap crap.
Give us our car culture back, make more rwd V8's, muscle cars. cars with style.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:53:54 AM
The oil should be refined in Canada or transported to the coast.What are the problems?The problems are left leaning characters,from welfare protesters in B.C who still haven't figured out that their prime business has gone up in smoke,to socialist premiers in Ontario and Quebec blackmailing Alberta to get more revenues to support their nanny state dreams.Let's not forget the poor Indians looking for more cheques.
 calguy14
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:56:06 AM
Double post
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:58:33 AM

The oil should be refined in Canada or transported to the coast.What are the problems?


That its only purpose is so foreign companies can ship bitumen + diluents to the coast, so it can be put on a ship and exported, with little to no benefit to Canadians, all while accepting all the of environmental risks.




The problems are left leaning characters,from welfare protesters in B.C who still haven't figured out that their prime business has gone up in smoke,to socialist premiers in Ontario and Quebec blackmailing Alberta to get more revenues to support their nanny state dreams.Let's not forget the poor Indians looking for more cheques.



Why did you leave out the racist douche bags who troll suicide thread while hid behind picture less profiles because they are too chicken to let the world see them?
 cotter
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Posted: 1/8/2015 8:29:53 AM
I'm just thrilled that the president has vowed to VETO the pipeline bill!
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 341
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Posted: 1/8/2015 8:47:04 AM

The oil should be refined in Canada or transported to the coast.What are the problems?The problems are left leaning characters,from welfare protesters in B.C who still haven't figured out that their prime business has gone up in smoke,to socialist premiers in Ontario and Quebec blackmailing Alberta to get more revenues to support their nanny state dreams.Let's not forget the poor Indians looking for more cheques.


did writing this make your nipples hard?

and while one hand is jazzing it up and has people looking one way enbridge is busy:


While all eyes are on TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline, another Canadian company is quietly building a 5,000-mile network of new and expanded pipelines that would achieve the same goal as the Keystone. In fact, the project by Enbridge, Inc., Canada's largest transporter of crude oil, would bring even more Canadian oil into the U.S. than the much-debated Keystone project.

Enbridge has already begun growing its existing pipeline infrastructure to increase the flow of Canadian and U.S.-produced oil into refineries and ports in the Midwest, Gulf Coast and Northeastern Canada. The company's plans have largely escaped public scrutiny, in part because its expansion has proceeded in many segments and phases.

The linchpin of Enbridge's Canadian oil transport system is its proposal to increase the capacity of Line 67 (often referred to as the Alberta Clipper pipeline) to bring an additional 430,000 barrels a day of oil into the United States. Line 67 runs from Hardisty, Alberta to Superior, Wisc. and currently ships up to 450,000 barrels of oil a day. Enbridge wants to expand the line’s capacity to 570,000 barrels a day, with the possibility of future growth to 880,000 barrels a day. That's larger than the Keystone XL's proposed daily capacity of 830,000 barrels.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
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Posted: 1/8/2015 3:00:08 PM

The linchpin of Enbridge's Canadian oil transport system is its proposal to increase the capacity of Line 67 (often referred to as the Alberta Clipper pipeline) to bring an additional 430,000 barrels a day of oil into the United States.

Yep... and that isn't the only one... but to listen to the conservatives... XL is essential to "saving" the US economy... except it isn't...

Most of them wouldn't give a rat's a$$ about XL... if they actually knew about reality... but they don't...

They only want it because certain "others" don't... and it is no more complicated than that... if those certain "others" wanted it... they would be fighting it tooth and nail... without question (just like they don't question now)...
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 1/8/2015 3:11:07 PM
Energy independence is needed for the entire continent.All this acting up is just a ploy to extract more cash from Albertans.

Your Great Leader Trudeau,he who so admires China,is out to turn the west into something akin to what the Ukraine was to Stalin.You people are not liberals,you are communists.
 Strings6
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:53:08 PM
I will be glad when energy bills are such that people are on their knees where they belong begging for mercy,when you are too stupid to survive let those who know how rip you to shreds because you deserve it.
 cotter
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:13:45 PM
Message 355 ...
... when you are too stupid to survive ....................
Look who is calling anyone "stupid".

The governor of the state of North Carolina is so smart that he doesn't want anyone to know what chemicals they are going to pump into their streams and ponds and rivers and drinking water ... just poison the people!

Look how smart they are! Whoo Hoo ... (dumb) teabaggers rule ...

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/05/3445260/north-carolina-fracking-criminalize-chemical-disclosure/
North Carolina To Lift Fracking Ban And Criminalize The Disclosure Of Fracking Chemicals

by Katie Valentine Posted on June 5, 2014

North Carolina is open to frack.

On Wednesday, North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory signed a law that lifts the state’s moratorium on fracking permits, a ban that’s been in place since 2012. The new law, called the Energy Modernization Act, allows fracking permits to be issued in the state as soon as next spring. Those permits would allow for the first fracking ever in the state, whose midsection houses Triassic Basin shale deposits.

The 2012 moratorium was put into place to provide time for fracking-specific environmental protection rules to be drafted in the state. But Elizabeth Ouzts, state director of Environment North Carolina, said that though the state’s Mining and Energy Commission is working on creating the rules, based on what she’s seen so far, they’re inadequate. They don’t address air pollution from fracking operations, and they allow the fracking wastewater to be stored in pits — something Ouzts is particularly concerned about, given February’s major coal ash spill into a North Carolina river, which happened as a result of a leak in a containing pond.

The biggest concern overall is that fracking is going to threaten our water,” she said. “By rushing to drill here, North Carolina leaders are putting our drinking water at risk and they’re putting our rivers at risk of pollution. What’s even worse, is that they’re doing so without guarantee that we’ll have rules in place that could even mitigate some of these risks.”

Ouzts said the Mining and Energy Commission is scheduled to finish its work on the rules by January 1, 2015, and that the rules should go into effect around March. The commission will be holding public hearings before the rules are settled, probably in late August. So far, though, she said there were only three public hearing scheduled, so Environment North Carolina is working to ensure more hearings are scheduled, so that residents from all over the state have the opportunity to voice their opinions on the rules.

Dustin Chicurel-Bayard, communications director for the North Carolina Sierra Club, said the fact that North Carolina currently has no environmental rules on the books regarding fracking is troubling.

“What North Carolinians were told in 2012 was that we were going to have the best rules in the country, and the fact that the governor has already signed a law before any of these rules have been adopted or heard by the public is kind of hard to swallow,” he said.

North Carolina’s Mining and Energy Commission was found earlier this month to have met with energy industry executives — specifically ones from companies that sell chemicals used in fracking — before recommending to North Carolina officials that the state should let mining companies keep their chemical brew a secret. The AP reported that at least three members of the Mining and Energy Commission’s board met with executives from Halliburton and other companies, meetings that aren’t illegal but that some say should have been conducted by the entire board, not just a few members, to ensure transparency.

The law signed by McCrory makes the “unlawful disclosure” of the chemical brew that’s injected into the ground to unlock stores of natural gas a misdemeanor. That’s a downgrade in severity from a previous version of the bill, which would have made it a felony to disclose the chemical mix, which is regarded by several states as a trade secret.

The speed with which the law passed through the North Carolina legislature surprised critics — in less than 24 hours and without prior public notice, the bill passed through two committees and onto the House floor, where it passed.

“I think this bill was railroaded through both chambers of the legislature,” Chicurel-Bayard said. “There was very little time for public input, public comment, or public notice even.”

With this new law, North Carolina will soon join the 21 other states where fracking is taking place. Oil and gas companies in Nevada, too, recently began fracking, though it’s been met in some areas with protests.
 the_summerwind
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Posted: 1/9/2015 8:28:59 AM

the Alberta Clipper pipeline) to bring an additional 430,000 barrels a day of oil into the United States. Line 67 runs from Hardisty, Alberta to Superior, Wisc. and currently ships up to 450,000 barrels of oil a day. Enbridge wants to expand the line’s capacity to 570,000 barrels a day, with the possibility of future growth to 880,000 barrels a day. That's larger than the Keystone XL's proposed daily capacity of 830,000 barrels.


Yes, as Canada can't wait on KSP to open to export their oil.
As that oil was to be refined in Texas & mid west & then sold abroad to the Central & South America buyers for the most part.
Nonetheless....Its a open world market & its call... business.
Shipping is going full bore by pipe,rail, & tanker. As I talked last month with a person who works for the BSNF for 30 years & they can not keep up or supply enough tank cars because of the volume of crude oil. I'm sure the CN is going through the same dilemma .

Since the US uses 20% of all the world's petroleum products, we will continue to grow.... but still keep in mind that using less, but saving still more is the ultimate goal... to conserve in a cleaner environment with energy saving.... less pollution from vehicles, etc, down the line. To cut back the green house gases, carbon dioxide etc .
 the_summerwind
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Posted: 1/27/2015 8:05:30 AM

on 12/30/2014 1250 AM
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$1.99 a gal for gas in the near future here......^^^^^ till May...

Sorry......as I need to make another adjustment from my prediction at $1.99 a gal at the pump here 2 weeks ago & now it will go to $1.59 a gal. till May naturally.....^^^



Just check GasBuddies as I found 5 local gas stations in Texas today at $1.58 a gal. and like the Limbo Dance....

How much more low.... will you go Mr. Petro ? ^^^^
 tgif111
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:39:56 AM
The pipeline passes the Senate today!!!

WHO WOULDN'T BE AGAINST GREAT NEW JOBS IN A RECESSION ??

only a man who has lost his sanity or was incompetent.

gasoline prices are rising in Ohio.
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 1/30/2015 9:36:17 AM

I am so pleased that bipartisan legislation to approve the Keystone XL pipeline has finally passed in the Senate, especially after we had the opportunity to extensively debate this issue and add dozens of amendments.

As I’ve said again and again, we must address the critical issues of moving America toward energy independence, while continuing to foster job growth and economic prosperity. The Keystone XL pipeline will help us reach these goals as we partner with one of our strongest allies, Canada.

It is my hope that the bill will swiftly pass through the House and that the President will defer to multiple State Department studies which have all concluded the project will have no significant impact on our environment. With a majority of Americans in support of the Keystone XL pipeline’s construction, let’s move this project forward once and for all.


Senator Joe Manchin D-WV
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:54:18 AM
Forbes, that member of the vast "liberal" media conspiracy, notes that Keystone XL could create as few as 35 [thirty five with no zeros] permanent jobs:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2013/05/10/pipe-dreams-how-many-jobs-will-be-created-by-keystone-xl/

The article also notes this pipeline will also create far fewer construction jobs than the AK Pipeline did and that the residual service jobs will be minimal since this pipeline would not be built in nearly as remote an area.

If you "think" Keystone XL is NOT going to RAISE the price of gas is to simply not be thinking at all.

As to the inane dismissal of Wind Energy I'll simply say I believe one of our greatest Oilmen in history, T. Boone Pickens, that is confident we could eventually have 10% of our energy needs satisfied by wind. The sanity of cleaner energy independence comes with the understanding there will be several pieces needed to solve the puzzle like far higher MPG standards we could have met more than 40 years ago with more efficient carburetors, solar, tidal energy, hydro, hydrogen fuel.... To not be committed to a far saner energy future is to not give a rat's posterior about our children and grandchildren.
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