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 Strings6
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Provide proof that the economy and resources of those countries is completely owned and operated by government....back up your claims for a change,no doubt they are welfare states just like the US...while you're at it what are the defense budgets of those countries since their defense for the most is provided by others and they are small bit part players in the world with GDP's in the low billions.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:49:14 AM

Provide proof that the economy and resources of those countries is completely owned and operated by government....


You need someone to prove to you that countries like Norway control the majority of their resources?

Whats next, you want me to prove to you there is not an invisible man in the sky?

Clearly you are just stalling because you can not back up one of your claims.
 Strings6
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:18:05 AM
Answer the question,every country controls its resources to the extent that it is within their borders....does free enterprise exist in Norway or not ? if it does then you have no point,are there rich people in Norway ? if so how did they get that way ? I realize these are issues not discussed at Polo matches and Yacht races but do your best.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:39:55 AM

Answer the question,every country controls its resources to the extent that it is within their borders...


Nope, that is false, many countries like Canada and the USA allow forgien companies to control and manage a large protion of their resopurces and if the TransPac deal goes through you will see even more of this.




....does free enterprise exist in Norway or not ?


Free enterprise does not exists in any industrialed country.

That said, Norway has a mix, but for the most part, things like Oil are controled by the state.




if it does then you have no point,are there rich people in Norway ? if so how did they get that way ?


Depending on the price of oil, but for the most part all citizens of Norway are knows as "Crown" millionares as they all get to share in the wealth created by their oil industry.

So instead of those profites goign into the hands of a few wealthy people, the entire population get to benifit from it.




I realize these are issues not discussed at Polo matches and Yacht races but do your best.


By the way you speak, you have never been to a Polo match or Yacht race.
 Strings6
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:11:27 AM
The US government sells drilling and exploration rites to both domestic and foreign companies,the money is used to fund both the welfare state and other forms of inefficient waste and money given to people who are able but contribute nothing.

Free enterprise does not exist in any industrialized county ? then why all the biatching from the left ? it still exist but I know people like3 you are working on that.

All citizens of Norway are millionaires ? can't find any evidence of that...."crown" must be a synonym for bullshit...nice dodge of the question of whether or not there are ANY rich people in Norway ? the answer is of course yes there are rich people in Norway but that blows your theory.

You are a typical hypocrite liberal snob,no I don't go to Yacht races or Polo Matches,i instead work for a living which is something you know nothing about and accounts for your hippy navel gazing stupidity.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:14:30 AM

All citizens of Norway are millionaires ? can't find any evidence of that....



Then congratulations on your fail.




...nice dodge of the question of whether or not there are ANY rich people in Norway ? the answer is of course yes there are rich people in Norway but that blows your theory.


So because the majority of people in Norway are much better off than the people in the USA it proves that a government that controls the resources is a bad thing how? It is almost like you have no idea what derp you are trying to push.




You are a typical hypocrite liberal snob,no I don't go to Yacht races or Polo Matches,i instead work for a living which is something you know nothing about and accounts for your hippy navel gazing stupidity.


Well according to all the people you seem to agree with, it is your own fault that you are in the financial state you are, so just try harder and maybe I will see you in Newport this year for the VOR stop over.

Or, just keep going around insulting people you do not agree with and or know anything about.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:40:00 AM

All citizens of Norway are millionaires ? can't find any evidence of that....



Then congratulations on your fail.


Well, NO- I know what you mean(sine I am knowledgeable about that term) but it might be helpful if you explain to others what you mean then to call him out on 'his fail', since you are against personal attacks and all :).

And that fund doesn't make them all millionaires, because like anything else the gov't decides how to distribute and splurge the fund. Chances are it use it on social systems that don't benefit everyone!

That would be like saying everyone who works for NYC gov't and is in the pension fund are millionaires because the NYC pension fund has $176.8 billion in audited net assets serving about 500k members, in contrast to 5.11 trillion crowns ($828.66 billion),serving an official population estimate of 5,096,300 of Norway. Much more per capita in fact. But reality is people get different amounts and many get nothing.


Norway uses it as a rainy day fund for the future. And when one calculates high taxes and net cost of consumer goods which are often much higher in EU (and Canada as well:), I would rather be a millionaire in USA ( which is another story).

Still good that they do that instead of what Putin does with the net income.


This is more scary though
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/08/us-norway-millionaires-idUSBREA0710U20140108:


"It may also have made some Norwegians reluctant to work. "One in five people of working age receives some kind of social insurance instead of working," Doerum said, despite an official unemployment rate of 3.3 percent."

Being lazy I wouldn't mind to be one of those '1 in 5'
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:45:03 AM

And that fund doesn't make them all millionaires, because like anything else the gov't decides how to distribute and splurge the fund. Chances are it use it on social systems that don't benefit everyone!


Who does not benefit from social services?
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:56:21 AM
^^^ Many people don't depending on what they put it into.

If your a childless 60 year old are you going to benefit because they decide to increase school hours 1 hour to babysit the kids?(they will die before the younger generation grows up and becomes productive)

Do I benefit from food stamps?(NOT BEST EXAMPLE because of the trickling down effect but I personally don't benefit)

Does KJ in Florida benefit from heating subsidies ?

Retirees who go to live in Croatia benefit?(many in that country retire in southern EU)

If Norway allows in more unneeded immigrants who will stay home and receive welfare, does the average Norwegian benefit?(that is actually a big discussion in those Scandinavian countries at the moment)

Does every citizen benefit from their lavish prison system?( there was an article once comparing their prisons as better than nursing homes)



It all DEPENDs on what the gov't decides to do with it. I would have more faith if the Swiss had the fund since that country is VERY democratic and listens to their people on many issues.

*Remember my mom came from USSR. We know socialism doesn't work !

@HFX- you might find this amusing:
http://rt.com/news/norwegians-become-crown-millionaires-349/

I find it weird that Russian state controlled media would admit to this while their gov't literally robs all the wealth.

This is the other extreme!
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:10:25 PM

If your a childless 60 year old are you going to benefit because they decide to increase school hours 1 hour to babysit the kids?(they will die before the younger generation grows up and becomes productive)...


None of which prove that people do not benefit from social programs.

As you have only given isolated examples which only proves that you are unable to prove your point.




Does every citizen benefit from their lavish prison system?( there was an article once comparing their prisons as better than nursing homes)


If that prison system is built around rehabilitating people and not making profits, yes they do benefit.




*Remember my mom came from USSR. We know socialism doesn't work !


Sounds like you are getting communism mixed up with socialism.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:37:41 PM
Same mindset.Same for gov types.City guy comes to locate my water valve.He cant find it and I do most of the chipping with a bar.Says he has to go and sits in his van.Plumber shows up and we locate it.City guy gets back out and shuts off the water.Plumber checks its shut off.Then the city guy turns it back on and tells me to call 311 because this occurred outside the allotted time.City guy leaves.Plumber shuts off the water and goes to work.


Man can you ever see the trust fund brat attitude speaking to strings.You suck HFX.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/14/2015 3:08:41 PM

Man can you ever see the trust fund brat attitude speaking to strings.You suck HFX.


Comming from the person who thinks the Canadian military sucks along with you like to troll suicide threads I find your derp rather assuming.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 2/14/2015 3:50:03 PM

*Remember my mom came from USSR. We know socialism doesn't work !


- Food stamps
- Unemployment Insurance
- Welfare
- Medicaid
- Social Security
- Public Schools
- Progressive taxation
- Federal programs to subsidize rural and low income phone and internet services
- local subsidies for mass transit for lower income individuals

It would be easy to go on, but I think the point has been made.

The USA *is* a socialist country, as is every other country in the industrialized world. The only thing to argue about is the exact shade of red you want to be.

What the takeaway here *should* be is that raw, unfettered capitalism on the right is just as utopian and unworkable as raw, unfettered communism is on the left.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 389
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Posted: 2/15/2015 9:25:02 AM
"We know socialism doesn't work !"
Not true. It works great until the money runs out. Kinda like a credit card , you can keep using it until they shut you off - no need to worry about those pesky payments.

But why not build a stupid pipeline? It's a friggin pipe, for Gods sake, there are lots of pipes going all over the place. Here's the real answer: the "Left" does not condone industrial progress if that industry is in private hands, especially if that business is "energy", because energy IS power, literally, and they can't allow that power to be in private hands, and will come up with any scheme conceivable to place that power in Government control.

Here's a lovely piece of dialogue from someone who knows what the inner circle really thinks, and wants:
"At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said."

A rare bit of honesty. You don't see that too often.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm#disqus_thread
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/15/2015 9:32:12 AM

Not true. It works great until the money runs out. Kinda like a credit card , you can keep using it until they shut you off - no need to worry about those pesky payments.


So under the current system what do you do when the money runs out?

As it is almost like you have no idea how and economy of a country runs.

Unless you think it is ok just to cut off aid to people who need it, because asking a billionaire the same % of taxes as a middle class person would just be unfair?





http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm#disqus_thread


There are stupid statements, and then there is this bit of derp.

The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man's stewardship of the environment. But we know that's not true.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:03:10 AM
@GT
Up here Trudeau has other plans for the oil industry.A carbon "tax" is at the center of it.Translation:fund the social programs of Quebec and socialist Ontario.Create more gov jobs that churn paper.Wrest control one way or another from the evil profit driven corps.He wants no new pipelines.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:11:46 AM

A rare bit of honesty. You don't see that too often.

Too bad there is no honesty from the author of what you posted... or the tortured... twisted... illogic he uses...

She MUST be talking about "destroying capitalism" because "no other system works"...?!? You seriously consider that logical...? or rational...? Actually... thinking about it... it wouldn't surprise me that you do...

At least there is continuity in the articles you post... they all show a preference for dishonesty... and attract the gullible and unthinking...

I really don't know which shows more stupidity... and disrespect for the intelligence of others... the article... designed to attract the belief of those the author considers too stupid to analyze his claim... or the post... which regurgitates it...
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:43:45 AM

Up here Trudeau has other plans for the oil industry.A carbon "tax" is at the center of it.Translation:fund the social programs of Quebec and socialist Ontario.Create more gov jobs that churn paper.Wrest control one way or another from the evil profit driven corps.He wants no new pipelines.


when the gov't sees money being made they are like grave robbers coming to snatch whatever they can no matter who they hurt.

here in Youngstown we have a fracking issue going on. a democratic representative, Bob Hagan spent a half hour on the local talk show saying he wanted to make sure he secured as much tax money from the industry as possible.

after all we need to fund those not bothering to work.
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:56:37 PM

I'm just thrilled that the president has vowed to VETO the pipeline bill!


You would be.

This just happened this afternoon. Since this is the method of crude oil transportation you prefer, all I can say is I hope that one of these miracle "electric" trains that carry these crude oil tankers through Columbusderails soon near you where you live.


Oil train derails near Charleston, WV, sets house ablaze

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A train carrying crude oil derailed in Fayette County on Monday afternoon, sending at least one car into the Kanawha River, setting a house on fire and leading to the evacuation of nearby residents.

The 109-car CSX train derailed in the community of Adena Village near Mount Carbon and Deepwater. At least one tank car ended up in the Kanawha River, and another car slammed into a house and burst into flames, said Lawrence Messina, communications director for the state Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety.

The train was carrying oil from the Bakken Shale in North Dakota to a refinery in Yorktown, Virginia, according to Chris Stadelman, spokesman for Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s office.

Last year, a train taking the same route derailed, causing an explosion in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Fire destroyed the house affected by the accident, according to the West Virginia State Police. No one was reported killed, but CSX reported that one person was treated for an inhalation injury.

Kanawha County Manager Jennifer Sayre said at least 14 tank cars were reported to be burning following the derailment, and some cars exploded. There was burning oil on the Kanawha River, and a section of W.Va. Route 61 was burning, Sayre said from the Kanawha County emergency operations center.

The state Department of Environmental Protection was told the train was carrying “crude oil and possibly other materials,” said DEP spokeswoman Kelley Gillenwater.

CSX officials could not be reached Monday afternoon, though the company made a statement on Twitter.

“A CSX train derailed in Mount Carbon, WV,” the company tweeted. “We are working with first responders on the scene to ensure the safety of the community.”

Later, CSX issued a statement to say that the company was working with the Red Cross and other relief organizations “to address residents’ needs, taking into account winter storm conditions.”

The accident happened about 1:30 p.m.

State Police asked that residents within a half-mile of the scene, along W.Va. 61 near Armstrong Creek Road or Powelltown Hollow, evacuate until further notice. A shelter was set up at Valley Elementary School in Smithers, according to State Police.

In a statement, West Virginia American Water said the company was aware of the derailment, and that the utility’s Montgomery water treatment plant was shut down at around 2:30 p.m.

“Customers in the Montgomery area are asked to conserve water and only use it for essential functions at this time,” the statement reads. “West Virginia American Water is working with emergency responders and the Bureau for Public Health on continued response efforts.”

Sayre said each tank car contained 33,000 gallons of crude oil. Crews from the West Virginia Air National Guard were helping battle the blaze.

Kanawha County officials were working with water company officials and the state to get temporary water supplies to those affected by the accident. Sayre said Fayette County officials were setting up emergency shelters to help those displaced by the accident. Kanawha County officials were also setting up shelters in the far eastern part of Kanawha County.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2015 4:33:08 PM

You would be.


Considering the land that it was proposed to cross, the answer would be yes.


Pipeline map: Have there been any incidents near you?
From small to large-scale spills to fires, explosions and worker deaths
By Michael Pereira, CBC News
Last Updated: October 22, 2013

The documents reveal details about more than 1,000 incidents that have happened across the country from 2000 until late 2012 and suggest the rate of overall incidents has doubled in the past decade.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/pipeline-incidents/




Tracking Canada’s History of Oil Pipeline Spills
November 7, 2013
By Sean Kheraj

Last week, CBC News published a series of articles about energy pipeline safety on Canada’s federally-regulated system of oil and gas pipelines, revealing that between 2000 and 2011 Canada suffered 1,047 separate pipeline incidents. Its findings confirm my own earlier research on the history of oil pipeline spills on the network of interprovincial and international oil pipelines that fall under the jurisdiction of the National Energy Board.

Under an access-to-information request, CBC reporters obtained a data set of pipeline incidents covering a period from 2000 to 2011. It showed that the number of incidents swelled from 45 in 2000 to 142 in 2011. This roughly corresponds with what I found for the period from 2000-2009.

http://activehistory.ca/2013/11/tracking-canadas-history-of-oil-pipeline-spills/
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:37:54 PM

Tracking Canada’s History of Oil Pipeline Spills


Yea, lets not mention any Canadian crude oil rail disasters that have happened, like the crude oil rail disaster in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec that killed 47 people & spilled 1.5 million gallons of crude from 72 tanker cars that flooded the streets with rivers of flaming crude, then spilled - still flaming - into the sewer system, causing massive explosions which destroyed much of the town, then from there spilled - still flaming -into the local waterways, setting them on fire also & poisoning the water supply.

After draining into the storm sewers, almost half of that oil ended up in the tributary that feeds into Lake Mégantic. This is exactly what you condemn the piplines of causing, but you give blessing to what seems like your preferred method of rail transport, which now regularly causes this exact same(or worse) scenario.

Anyhow, this Canadian rail incident didnt make the news. This happened 2 days ago.... oil is still burning.

Continue to ignore oil spills by rail that explode in fireballs, burn people alive & destroy the environment, in order to support an agenda.


CN Rail's cross-country line blocked as rail cars burn
TORONTO Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:04pm IST

TORONTO Feb 16 (Reuters) - Canadian National Railway said its main railway line across the country remained blocked on Monday after a train carrying crude oil derailed in northern Ontario two days ago, setting seven rail cars on fire.

The derailment is obstructing trains running between Montreal and Winnipeg, Manitoba and shipments along the corridor will be delayed by at least 24 hours, Canada's largest railway said.

The train, heading from Alberta's oil sands to eastern Canada, derailed late Saturday about 80 km (50 miles) south of Timmins, Ontario in a remote wooded area. CN said 29 of 100 cars were involved and seven had caught fire. No injuries were reported.

Cars were still on fire on Monday.

"CN (has) safely removed derailed cars from the right of way, allowing workers to get closer to the core of the derailment, where a fire is still burning," CN spokesman Patrick Waldron said via email.

A crude oil spill is being contained in the derailment area, CN said.

The closure of CN's main line comes as workers at Canada's No. 2 rail operator Canadian Pacific Railway went on strike on Sunday, threatening to snarl rail traffic across the country.

Cross-country passenger rail operator Via Rail said it had cancelled trains between Toronto and Winnipeg due to the block on the CN main line.



 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:41:57 PM

Continue to ignore oil spills by rail that explode in fireballs, burn people alive & destroy the environment, in order to support an agenda.


Fail to understand, that doing neither and investing in alternative energies is actually the best solution.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
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Posted: 2/24/2015 3:08:46 PM
it looks like the golfer vetoed a jobs bill known as the Keystone Pipeline.
he actually voted against the wishes of most Americans.

why he doesn't want to see Americans work is beyond me. I guess the special interests must have really greased his palms as well. he's just plain stupid.

worst president of all time bar none at this point.

B.O. stinks like a skid row sewer. zombies ate his brain.

the Patriots will try an end around power sweep.
 cotter
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Posted: 2/24/2015 5:43:55 PM

... vetoed a ... bill known as the Keystone Pipeline.



worst president of all time bar none at this point
 purplerider1200
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:07:23 PM
Oh yes, let's veto the Keystone. Why transport oil economically, and safely? Let them do it by rail, that way, any ol terrorist can derail a tank train with a crowbar. (Yes, a dozen pried up spikes should do the job.) Then we can clean up a huge mess in some remote area- MAYBE.

Or- we can do all jump on the alternative energy bandwagon. Try coming up with something new, by candlelight. There is no blasted way we can come up with new, without using current resources. Even better! Let's have the government give away our tax money to every shyster that comes along that claims that they can come up with one. And then after 3-5 years, they come up with zilch, say OOP! we was wrong! thanks for funding us, BYE!
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