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Msg: 51
Christmas..Page 3 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
Christmas for me is difficult as it was the time of my marriage and family breakup.
Prior to that it was a special time of children, family and friends.
I now choose to go back to tradition.
It is about the birth of Jesus Christ.

To those who wish to have happy holidays I wish you "Happy Holidays" whatever holiday you choose celebrate.

To my fellow Christians... Merry Christmas!
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 52
Posted: 12/21/2012 4:02:29 PM
That my grandkids will have memories they will cherish forever.
Just as my kids do.
Joined: 11/10/2012
Msg: 53
Posted: 12/21/2012 10:14:59 PM
My Dear Sweet nine and one half pound baby Jesus! Have all of you forgotten? Christmas is the absolute best excuse in the world to drink! And the variety, oh yeah!
And voice your complaints about all that Christmas has become.
I love Christmas.
Joined: 7/10/2008
Msg: 54
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:50:39 PM
3 or 4 yrs ago..........there were several ladies and one guy who got up in their boss's face .[a christian man who to be truthfull...........pretty much lived the christmas spirit year round].....about "not beliveing in the christian faith and they rather resented his "christian attitude""..saying that christmas was just another day...and submitted it to him in writeing.............................his solution?................he schedualed every one of them to work time holiday pay...............they tried to sue him.........the judge threw it out................gotta love it

oh yeah.......they havnt complained since
Joined: 9/11/2012
Msg: 55
Posted: 12/21/2012 11:31:50 PM
It's not necessary at all to PC Christmas. To pretend it is some other holiday to cater to a minority is insulting to believers - which is just what the enemy wants. Happy Holidays, my ass. It's Christmas. Deal with it. If they feel excluded ,it's their own fault. That is their choice. Those same people that don't believe in Christ or all too happy to play the part of the hypocrite and put on a show for everyone (buying presents, Christmas parties, etc.) and celebrate regardless.

For myself: Love Christ. Christmas as its celebrated with all the commercialism - which most of us gets sucked into, quite frankly sucks. We should probably just give more freely throughout the year instead of feeling like we are forced to at the end of the year.I am usually glad when everything is back to normal as I don't care for the build up. Really, we can celebrate Christ's birth/resurrection and how important it is to us every single day of the year if we want to. It doesn't have to involve presents at all. People are creatures of habit so we need a set day to do it, having our customs, so that's what we do.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 56
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Posted: 12/22/2012 8:31:30 AM
well its no too long now till THE day.

a couple of stories from the uk today with a crimbo slant. one a heart
warming tale of a couple who bring happiness to loads of bairns (and adults) the other
a timely reminder of why brussel sprouts are evil.

first the good (loads of photies as well in the article)

Christmas-mad pensioners spend £10,000 transforming their home into a sparkling winter wonderland with 2,500 lights and 300 Santas
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now the evil

Another reason not to eat sprouts: Overdose lands Scotsman in hospital
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and just to prove how evil tescos are and how they care not if you overdose as long as you buy

Invasion of the giant sprouts! 'Monster' sprouts as big as snooker balls go on sale at Tesco in time for the nation’s Christmas day dinners
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Joined: 11/22/2012
Msg: 57
Posted: 12/23/2012 6:21:02 PM
Just another day to me....Dad informed me tonite he is going with his gf to her parents house so will be all alone again this year...this isnt only time this has happened done it last year also..and I dont have any place to go...not sure what I'm doing yet
Joined: 3/13/2009
Msg: 58
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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:20:09 PM
it wont be christmas eve until sunset but imagine what was happening over 2000 years ago.
mary and joesph had been traveling and camping out along the way towards bethleham. nights grow cold in that part of israel, at almost every time of the year. they would have had a fire and probably other travelers were with them. as mary was beginning to feel birth pangs joesph would have been worried. would they make it to their destination on time or would mary have to give birth to jesus in the open.
on christmas eve lets not foget what it meant to them and what it means to us.
merry christmas
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 59
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Posted: 12/25/2012 6:32:37 AM
well, i celebrated keith richards' birthday, then the solstice and today i'll celebrate christmas. guess i just like celebrating!

i grew up catholic, so christmas was a huge deal. this year, for the first time, i couldn't travel to spend the holiday with my family. so i'm doing dinner with a friend. and my big excitement so far today has been watching the cat play with his catnip christmas toy! he's having a blast and getting some exercise.

we had a snowfall, with more on the way, so i hope to get out in the woods for a bit this morning.

everyone, have a safe, peaceful and joyous holiday!
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 60
Posted: 12/25/2012 7:51:06 AM

But, among all of the drinking, eating, socializing, spending and acquiring new material goods, I see very little mention of the religous and/or spiritual meaning of this time of year.

Well seeing as the "true" history of the holiday is about drinking, eating, socializing and acquiring new material goods, I would say most have it right, if you want to look at the "real" meaning behind the season.

The date December 25th and the celebrations around it have to do with the celebration of the Italic god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god.

Any baby jesus crap was just stuff the christian church made up.
Joined: 10/13/2012
Msg: 61
Posted: 12/25/2012 2:00:28 PM
It means absolutey nothing to me. Just another day! It shouldn't be called Christmas it should be called Pagan day!
Joined: 10/13/2012
Msg: 62
Posted: 12/25/2012 2:19:51 PM

I find it interesting that, as religion-bashing becomes common in our society, those who like to bash religion have begun pointing out that Christians weren't the first ones to celebrate a religious holiday at that time of year.
I'm aware that there were existing celebrations and religious traditions at the end of December, that pre-dated the spread of Christianity; and that, as the Romans attempted to spread Christianity throughout Europe, they chose December 25 as the date to observe Christ's birth, it would coincide with festivities that were already occuring at that time of year.

Speak the truth is not bashing. When people lie about something I think it's our obligation to bring out the truth. How many Christans even know the true origin of Christmas? I certainly didn't know where I was a Christmas. I was told he was born in December 25.
Nowhere did anyone say that Jesus didn't exist. Of course there is proof he existed. I don't know about you but I expect honesty from people. I highly doubt the church leaders don't know about this, since they need to go to bible school to learn all the crap. Why do you think quite a few Christians aren't religious at all. They don't go to church, they do believe in the bible and follow the word but they find going to church isn't doing them justice. Perhaps you forgot about Jim Baker???????? Reason enough?
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 63
Posted: 12/25/2012 3:58:58 PM

I find it interesting that, as religion-bashing becomes common in our society, those who like to bash religion have begun pointing out that Christians weren't the first ones to celebrate a religious holiday at that time of year.

Good point as we should all take some time to think of those poor oppressed christians.

...I'm aware that there were existing celebrations and religious traditions at the end of December, that pre-dated the spread of Christianity; and that, as the Romans attempted to spread Christianity throughout Europe, they chose December 25 as the date to observe Christ's birth, it would coincide with festivities that were already occuring at that time of year...

and by "spread" you mean killed anyone that was not willing to go along.

But, it should be noted that, the holiday celebrations at this time of year were always religious or spiritual celebrations to someone. Whether it was Pagans, Christians, or believers in the ancient Italic Gods.

They where celebrations that where tied to cycles in nature.

While Christ's divinity can be debated, his existence and his life is generally acknowledged by historians. I'm not sure the same can be said for Saturn.

Jesus is a symbolic figure just like Horus or Mithras, and he only exists in books.
Joined: 10/13/2012
Msg: 64
Posted: 12/25/2012 5:22:16 PM
It means absolutely nothing to me and just another day. Long gone are the days of me going into debt for half a year to buy a bunch of pointless garbage for people that won't even appreciate it. I don't even buy people cards anymore and they are pretty much lucky if they get a phone call. The black friday youtube video's makes me hate it that much more .... /facepalm
Joined: 5/16/2012
Msg: 65
Posted: 12/25/2012 6:05:09 PM

In reply to your question “What does Christmas mean to you?”

I can openly and honestly reply to you. “Not a thing.”

I am not a Christian, and do not identify myself within any of the 38,000 sects of the umbrella religion titled and commonly known as Christianity.

I am known to not be one that ridicules or degrades any one’s spiritual beliefs or perceptions of a belief structure, or any of the 10,500 distinct religions in the world today.

I am known as one who encourages another to believe in “What works for them as individuals, to assist them in achieving, that what it is that they consider to be most high”. Whether it be one of the many religions or an individualized belief structure, or a non-belief structure.

My personal opinions on Christianity or any one of the 10,500 other religions are inconsequential as I am not a follower of those paths.

It would be easy to stereotype and belittle a follower or a group of any particular path, but I would rather take the high road and follow my personal philosophy of "You do what works for you and I will do what works for me".
Joined: 6/18/2012
Msg: 66
Posted: 12/25/2012 10:16:15 PM
The lights and food are the only things that make the date worthwhile, I wish it was daily.
Joined: 11/5/2012
Msg: 67
Posted: 12/26/2012 5:11:08 PM
all I can say is thank god it's over....!!!

Had family over this year and I never realized how difficult these people are to please! I love them with all my heart but just whine whine whine, complain, complain, complain. The nice thing about seeing them arrive was seeing them leave.
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 68
Posted: 12/26/2012 5:31:17 PM

What brought you to this conclusion?

The fact that all their stories are essentially the same.
Joined: 8/2/2009
Msg: 69
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Posted: 12/26/2012 6:27:46 PM
To me, Christmas is just one long happy holiday that starts before Thanksgiving and ends about 2 weeks after New Years. Every year, I make a point to reach out to more others who aren't so fortunate to have friends and family close by. Every year that I do, my own circle of friends a loved ones grows a little larger.

I'm not so much for pointless gift giving. In fact, I make a point each fall to go to the store and stock up on EVERYTHING I could possibly need to avoid having to go to the stores at all during that hectic, frantic shopping horror time. a few hostess gifts, little light up toys for the kids and party favors will do. But the main thing is the beautiful lights, the great food, and the gorgeous season of events and parties.

Our traditions change and evolve over the years, but the one constant, is the inclusion of more folks every year into my circle. I usually find plenty of folks who want to join in. And often find that the biggest "scrooges" turn out to be just folks with not place to go during the season.

I really feel sorry for those who don't have some kind of holiday celebrtion. They don't know what they're missing.
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 70
Posted: 12/29/2012 4:37:01 PM

If I am correct, the truth of a story comes from several (if not more) ppl recalling or retelling it again and again....

Yes and no, though the story of Jesus is one that someone people where able to recall some 300 years after his supposed death.

Sure the story has historical facts littered through it, as most works of fiction do, but just because they make mentions something that may of happened during that times does not mean that the rest of the story is essentially one copies from previous versions, like the one of Horus which has many similarities to that of Jesus, yet it was written thousands of years earlier. (~3000BCE)

And you never answered the question about those stories/ppl that preceeded Jesus. Are they also false??

Yes they are all false stories that where meant to be taken allegorically and not literally, and if it was not for Constantine around 300AD the story of Jesus would still be the way it was intended.

Where is the hard evidence of the pharoahs and kings that you claim doesn't exist about Jesus?

Where is a statement that I claimed that Pharaohs and Kings did not exist?

I only mentioned Mithras and Horus, which are mythical characters.

And pictures aren't enough for me this time.

Your lucky cameras where not around during their times.
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 71
Posted: 12/29/2012 6:45:48 PM
Boy, so glad I saw this question :)

I don't like the lying to kids. They should have innocence, but it feels like we're all in on the practical joke on them.

historically, its a religious holiday usurping the winter solstace for the purpose of making it palipatable, like Easter. Debate it all you want. but if it makes you feel better, what does it hurt if its not correct? As someone else posted, why be so charitable and giving on only one day (well twice, some donate food on thanksgiving as if that's the only day people are starving). i think that's more important that what right or wrong and how it affects you.

the money spent, sheesh, my father hated a bare tree and bought crap that's still in the attic. He passed a few months back, we haven't celebrated Christmas with decorations since my mother had dementia in 2005 (she's pull down anything sparkly) and since I had to pull his license due to his beginning Parkison's, it wasn't fair to him to buy gifts (we weren't celebrated birthdays either, his wish). i never bought in--pun intended--to the commericalism, but then I don't go with the flow either--like Jim Hightower says, dead fish go with the flow.

family? I have no more, spent it with friends of my father who stopped inviting us when they found out my mother had dementia. none gave their condolences, won't be back next year.

what does it mean for me these last few years? its a reminder the year is over--what did i accomplish or enjoy or get done the past 360 days? what should i do for the next 365? and whatever others do to feel a spirt going thru them...if it works, bully for them :)

there's some beauty to be found in the lights, some joy to be seen in others when they feel they are among friends, but ultimately, i think its a reminder...why aren't you doing this the remainder of the year?
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Msg: 72
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Posted: 12/29/2012 10:44:21 PM
Giving up my day to spend time with people I choose not to spend time with on any other day of the year.
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Msg: 73
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Posted: 12/30/2012 12:58:49 PM

why aren't you doing this the remainder of the year?

Agreed! Why NOT do it the remainder of the year? I mean the Christmas lights might look a little silly in July, but what about party lights?

Why not reach out to people, be kind and friendly to ALL, and entertain all year?

Why are so many of us so thoughtful to work in soup kitchens only on Christmas or Thanksgiving -- but don't do the same all year? Feeding of the homeless goes on at these places all year, why not lend a hand whenever we can?

Why does giving to the needy have to wait for Christmas? The salvation army and other charities operate all year -- and they need donations ALL the time. And not just after a major crisis.

A really kind and thoughtful person keeps the spirit alive every day!
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 74
Posted: 12/30/2012 5:13:14 PM

I don't like the lying to kids. They should have innocence, but it feels like we're all in on the practical joke on them.

You're feeling is right, we are...

It's the one time of year we get to have a little bit of revenge for all the sh!t they pulled the rest of the year... Make them sweat it out for a couple of weeks while they try to figure out if they were good enough to get anything...
Joined: 11/10/2012
Msg: 75
Posted: 12/31/2012 12:23:22 AM
Take it easy; no matter what religious or non religious festival we designate, the end result is positive, whether you chose to feed the destitute, gift your family/loved ones, prove what a traditional observer you are, whatever comes about, the result is a warmer fuzzy feeling during the months where the weather is most unforgiving. If we didn't participate, we'd have to ease our guilty minds some other part of the year. We all need traditions, no matter what form they take; try to make the tradition match your values, try to reach the old and the young.
Merry new ChannuWanazaChristYear everybody.
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