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 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 108
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It's not a legitimate purpose of the federal government to dictate what 300-plus million Americans may and may not eat...

Yet they already do it.

So why not start educating kids about what food is and start feeding them healthy foods so they do not get hooked on the junk at an early age?

So unless you hate kids, why is it such a bad thing to want to make a better future for the kids?




Let Congress try to make a law like that, and the members who support it will find out what happens when they defy the will of the majority...

I can see it now, the first Fat Man March on Washington.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 109
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Posted: 12/29/2011 3:49:44 PM

It's not a legitimate purpose of the federal government to dictate what 300-plus million Americans may and may not eat.


It's not a legitimate purpose of the federal government to dictate what 300-plus million Americans may and may not smoke. (Cuban cigars for example)
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 110
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 4:05:28 PM


As far as the "start feeding them healthy foods", again, that is not the govts. job, that is the parents job.


and..judging by the number of horribly obese YOUNG children, they are doing a terrible job of it - in North America. I mean when you see dozens of 9-10 year olds with big fat sloppy guts hanging over their belts- in one day- around many cities - it really is quite disgusting. 9-10 year old boys with big man-boobs? eww. chubby titties bigger than many grown women have?
may not be true the gov't will do much better - but the very kids that get the better training from their parents will often be those from 'elite' , wealthier, exclusive, financially well-off families, leaving the poorer folk behind in yet another way- the kids may become obese little hoglets at a tender age, before they know any better -if you are already obese at age 5, 6 or 7 the odds of hitting a healthy weight later in life are quite slim.

the childhood (and adult) obesity rates in both USA and Canada just keep on growing..and growing, like most people's waist sizes!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 111
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 4:05:53 PM

I am not against any education in the area of nutrition.............. BUT, seeing how you most probably mean the govt. doing the educatin', do you educate on a basis of a vegetarian lifestyle, or just white meat and fish, or just ovo-lacto, or........ or what basis?

You educate based on the best information currently available, no need to make it any harder than it already is.




As far as the "start feeding them healthy foods", again, that is not the govts. job, that is the parents job.

Again we are talking about kids that are attending a public school, thus it is the goverment that is feeding them and it would only make sense that they only offer healthy choices to the kids.

If kids want to bring their own meals I would be all for that, but for the ones that are relying on the school for a breakfast and or lunch then that meal should be a healthy one as that is only responsible thing to do.




Making a better future for your kids is something that all parents want, well, almost all, and shouldn't be legislated, at least not in a free world.............. Which probably explains why you are all for it.

Again, where is this free world you are talking about, because as already demonstrated it is not in the US.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 112
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 4:36:14 PM

And, the more of the little details of life that is CONTROLLED by the govt makes it less and less free; yet you are for just that.

How will feeding and educating school children make you less free?



Again, the best information available, but according to whom...... vegetarians, ovo-lacto's, the no white flour crowd............... They ALL have experts that say that THEIR way is the best. So, how do you pick the "best"?

The same way you pick to teach on any other subject, it is really simple.

So just because you can not figure it out I am sure there are many educators that can and have.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 113
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Posted: 12/29/2011 4:37:03 PM
^ @ PaulK:

And, the more of the little details of life that is CONTROLLED by the govt makes it less and less free; yet you are for just that.


but on other threads you are all for the gov't telling people they cannot legally grow a plant (cannabis), harvest the buds and smoke them.

you likely support the US gov't ban on trade with Cuba, and US citizens/residents travel to Cuba ? ban on Cuban cigars in the US? many other bans on certain articles or countries ?

why? because the gov't says so?

do you have a cogent or logical reason why you support this gov't intrusion and control into people's lives? but sound so opposed to any such intrusion?? for that matter why can't people use heroin or cocaine (legally)if they want to?
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 12/29/2011 4:46:08 PM
Oi you lot leave our poor haggis alone.

Anyway it was banned because of bse? Did the mad coo think it was a sheep then?

And tell me when you have burns suppers over there what do you toast to if not a haggis?

And macsweens in edinburgh do the best ones. Unless you get an awfully good one from the offal shop.

Vlad dracul. Great chieften o the puddin race
 Ms Cheevious
Joined: 12/8/2008
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Posted: 12/29/2011 4:57:00 PM

Again, the best information available, but according to whom...... vegetarians, ovo-lacto's, the no white flour crowd............... They ALL have experts that say that THEIR way is the best. So, how do you pick the "best"?

Paul K


We get our information from Michelle Obama! SHE tells us the "best" way.

Haven't you been paying attention???
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 12/29/2011 5:10:40 PM
I'm sure mrs o does plenty of cooking at home using the celebrated cooking book by uk celebrity chef
Hugh Jarse.

He's very popular these days


Vlad dracul purveyour of all things tasty
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 117
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Posted: 12/29/2011 5:26:55 PM

If you really need a reason why heroin and cocaine is not a good idea to use, you are way beyond a conversation


I, like most people know they are not good. I never said they are good or argued against them being 'bad'.

Also on ASSumptions, note that I do not smoke cannabis myself- you assume I do.

just because I don't, does NOT mean that I support heavily armed gov't goons kicking down the doors of people who do, threatening them with guns and locking them up in cages, though.

why does the gov't have to use the threat of violence, imprisonment, people with guns, etc. to try to stop the minority who still want to use them?

"Drugs are bad so lets establish a cadre of people with machine guns (DEA) to stop it b/c drugs are bad for your health, not like flying bullets which aren't so bad"

I thought you believed in FREEDOM of choice?

by your same logic are you arguing that fat-laden tarns-fats foods, McD's, etc. are good for a person?
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 12/29/2011 5:29:08 PM

Yet they already do it.


So you say. I think I made clear how your examples are nothing like what I was talking about, and why they're not relevant to it. But please keep making your claims, and anyone can decide what they're worth.

You recently posted a story off a Muslim website, which condemned U.S. authorities for badly mistreating a Muslim professor in 2002, unfairly treating him as a terrorist and violating his civil rights in various ways. You obviously were citing this story as the truth. You used it to support your argument, and you challenged anyone to refute it.

The story was a flat-out lie, but you didn't let that stop you. There is no such professor, nor does the university where he supposedly taught exist. As I proved, your story used the "facts" from a fictitious court case created for a moot court competition, where teams from various schools debate the legal issues raised in the "case."
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 119
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 5:29:31 PM
And, the more of the little details of life that is CONTROLLED by the govt makes it less and less free; yet you are for just that...

It is not less and less free, it is better for everyone concerned unless you are profiting from making people fat. (which drug companies and many junk food producers are)

Which I think this articular touches on with respect to goverment control:

...The GOP's attack on regulation is part of a larger attempt to discredit the idea that government can play a positive role in people's lives. That attack is itself based on a fantasy -- that in the absence of the distorting and freedom-destroying effects of government, human action would yield generally optimal outcomes for society as a whole. Such notions themselves hearken back to Adam Smith's discussion of an "invisible hand." Leaving aside repeated misrepresentations of what Smith meant by that phrase, he was no fantasist and endorsed myriad public works and a range of what we would now call government regulations. Smith's quite sensible views on the matter derive from a simple point, one that most grown-ups acknowledge in their day-to-day lives: Our actions can have adverse consequences for others....

...That regulation is fully justifiable when it mitigates the harm that some private actors might otherwise inflict on others ought to be the minimally agreed upon foundation for a larger conversation about the proper limits and potential pitfalls of specific kinds of government regulation. Instead of joining such a conversation, one of our two major parties offers up a fairy tale version of the economy. The simple idea that private interests, left to their own devices, have the potential to hurt others and undermine the public good is denounced as "socialistic" thinking and un-American. Wealthy private interests are heroic job creators that could and would build a nearly perfect society, if only they were left alone to work their job-creating magic. In that world, only the lazy and undeserving would fail to prosper...

Republican Nonsense on Regulation
Jonathan Weiler
Global Studies, UNC Chapel Hill
Posted: 12/28/11 07:12 PM ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-weiler/republican-nonsense-on-regulation_b_1173433.html




So you say. I think I made clear how your examples are nothing like what I was talking about, and why they're not relevant to it. But please keep making your claims, and anyone can decide what they're worth.

You said: "If you're claiming Congress has authority to do that, I wonder where you think that authority comes from." in responding to:

It IS the "business" of government (we the PEOPLE) to control what people eat.

I gave examples of where the government does in fact control what you eat.

It is clear that you are now grasping at straws.


With respect to the other topic, if you have an issue take it up in that thread.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 120
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 6:27:20 PM
"Again we are talking about kids that are attending a public school, thus it is the goverment that is feeding them and it would only make sense that they only offer healthy choices to the kids.

If kids want to bring their own meals I would be all for that, but for the ones that are relying on the school for a breakfast and or lunch then that meal should be a healthy one as that is only responsible thing to do."

Ari, point of information, if I may. For many children, the food they get in school may be the best or only meal they get each day. Don't we owe it to them to make it the best possible meal for them?
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 121
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Posted: 12/29/2011 6:39:30 PM

Ari, point of information, if I may. For many children, the food they get in school may be the best or only meal they get each day. Don't we owe it to them to make it the best possible meal for them?

That is true but I guess that is where the slippery slope starts.

I think the biggest problem is when you look at the amount of money being spent on healthy eating and the marketing budget of the people that produce processed food you soon learn that the US goverment spend about 1/5 the marketing budget for Altoids.

Kids are exposed to ~1000 commercials to do with food and some 90% of them are for processed / fast food.


Planet Twinkie and the Junk-Food Assault on our Kids
May 30th, 2002
By Joan Ryan
Bergen County Record (NJ)


Some facts: About $12 billion a year is spent on advertising targeted at children. Children watching television during Saturday mornings view more than twice as many advertisements for unhealthy foods as adults see during programs aired after 9 p.m.

Nearly half of all the foods advertised during children’s programming are cakes and candies. The average American child sees 10,000 food advertisements each year. Ninety-five percent are for fast-food, sugary cereals, soft drinks, and candy.

The National Cancer Institute spends $1 million per year on advertising the five-a-day program to encourage people to eat fruits and vegetables. That’s $1 million. In 1998, McDonald’s spent just more than $1 billion on advertising.

The entire government budget for nutrition education is one-fifth the annual advertising budget for Altoids mints.

Supermarkets alone sold $10 billion in "children’s" foods and drinks in 1998, with sales expected to reach $12 billion by 2003. The baker of Hostess products, Interstate Bakeries Corp., has a Web site, called Planet Twinkie, featuring interactive games for children ages 7 to 11. On the site, children see a raccoon character familiar to them from Hostess television commercials. The raccoon, gliding on skis, attempts to eat as many Twinkies as it can.

Keebler’s sends online messages to children as they surf the Internet.

There are educational books that use M&M’s, Reese’s Pieces, and other candy to teach counting. Teletubbies, a wholesome show on PBS, engaged in toy promotions of McDonald’s and Burger King.

Child psychologists regularly help consumer researchers ascertain what will attract children to a product. This research led recently, for example, to Cheetos producing its Mystery Colorz Snacks. The high-calorie snacks, neon-orange in color, turn a child’s tongue blue or green.

Children directly influenced more than $170 billion spent on food purchases in 2001.


The number of severely overweight children in the United States has doubled since 1980.

Between 1986 and 1998, obesity among African-American and Hispanic children increased by more than 120 percent; among white children, by about 50 percent. A third of children from lower-income households are obese.

Nationally, hospital costs related to childhood obesity have more than tripled in the past 20 years to $127 million, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Overweight children are showing up in doctors’ offices with adult health problems such as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and Type II diabetes. Some show early-warning signs of heart disease.

The U.S. surgeon general in January declared childhood obesity a national epidemic.

Those are the facts.

Here is the question.

Why don’t we ban corporations from using the public airwaves to manipulate our children into craving products that, like tobacco, are harmful to their health?

The precedent is there: We banned tobacco advertising from television when smoking-related diseases became a public health crisis.

So First Amendment issues have been resolved. What else still stands in the way of banning junk-food advertisements during children’s TV programming and on children’s Web sites?

"It took 40 years to get where we are today with the fight against tobacco, " Dr. Kelly Brownell of Yale’s Center for Eating and Weight Disorders said during a Senate hearing on childhood obesity recently. "And the industry stalled, ignored the data, denied the data, and did all the things that are well-known now. You can just see it coming with the food companies."

Sweden and Norway have already banned junk-food advertising to children. Great Britain is considering the same. In the United States, we can continue to let the food industry turn our children into junk-food junkies. Or we can ground all flights to Planet Twinkie.


http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/health/childhood-obesity/planet-twinkie-and-the-junk-food-assault-on-our-kids
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 122
Did the congressman just say Michelle Obama has a FAT A$$?
Posted: 12/29/2011 6:46:07 PM
School food is fairly disgusting at many levels. Pizza classified as a VEGATABLE? WTF?!?

I eat lunch with my grade school daughter once or twice a month. It's pretty vile. For the money we spend, we should be able to serve better lunches. My High school age daughters school, otoh, has a great menu and quality of food, except for those damnable vending machines.

It's a subject that has a lot of areas that need changes. Not going to be fixed overnight.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 123
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Posted: 12/30/2011 4:12:16 AM
Obviously many of you haven't read the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010..it is not just about School lunches..they offer Breakfast and Dinner and it extends to adults too...do you think it will really stop at Schools? When the real costs of Obamacare are realized the regulations and control will extend to all government entities that provide food to their employees, then it will work it's way into the private sector through regulation all in the name of good Health ...
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 12/30/2011 8:31:54 AM
Obviously many of you haven't read the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010


I haven't. Is there really such a law? If so, I assume the "Act" means it's federal. The first thing I ask about federal laws is what their constitutional basis is. As the Supreme Court has said many times, ours is a government of limited, enumerated powers. Almost all of Congress's powers are listed in Article I, section 8. How any of them extends to feeding schoolchildren, I cannot imagine.

I think voters should start demanding that their congressmen support a requirement that each bill specifically identify the constitutional authority for it. I haven't read the Obamacare law, but I don't believe in all its 2,000-odd-pages it states anywhere what constitutional power Congress was relying on when it made it a crime not to buy a specified kind of medical insurance policy.

When Speaker Pelosi was asked about this authority, she thought it was a joke--"You've got to be kidding!" That was predictable. She understands very little about the Constitution, and cares less. She, like other ironically-named "liberals," has a dictatorial streak--power is to be exercised for its own sake, and to he!! with whether it's legitimate. Consistent with this view, Ms. Pelosi explained that we should just pass the law, and *then* worry about what it said.

At least now we're sure what constitutional power the individual mandate of Obamacare is based on: Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce. This administration is relying mainly on two Commerce Clause decisions--Wickard v. Filburn, from 1942, and Gonzalez v. Raich, from 2005. And next June, our Supreme Court, minus Justice Kagan, will decide if its argument flies.

If Obamacare gets the green light, Mrs. Obama's oh-so-wholesome concern with what everyone else eats will have new legs.


Edit below:

The Commerce Clause, Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 3, says "The Congress shall have Power . . . To regulate Commerce" not only "among the several States", but also "with foreign Nations." I don't know that was the basis for the federal law on Cuban cigars, but I can't think of a better one.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 125
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Posted: 12/30/2011 8:35:24 AM
^^

did (or CAN) any of the constitutional experts cogently explain why the US gov't should

outlaw Cuban cigars?

with a potential penalty of $250,000 fine & 10 years in prison for possession of same?

is that constitution-based? Or does it REALLY boil down to:

Republicans did it so it must be good? (Helms & Burton were Republicans, right?)
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 126
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Posted: 12/30/2011 8:45:26 AM
^^

she's ALMOST 48 years old (as of Jan. 17) - within 3 weeks and has had 2 children

I'd still tap that!

she looks a bit big standing next to the tall string-bean (Barack)
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 127
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Posted: 12/30/2011 12:50:55 PM

^^

did (or CAN) any of the constitutional experts cogently explain why the US gov't should

outlaw Cuban cigars?

with a potential penalty of $250,000 fine & 10 years in prison for possession of same?

is that constitution-based? Or does it REALLY boil down to:

Republicans did it so it must be good? (Helms & Burton were Republicans, right?)


yeah, I didn't think so.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 128
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Posted: 12/30/2011 12:58:18 PM
^^^ If you run across any Cuban cigars you don't want to take the risk on, pass them my way. Still I had some while in Norway, and wasn't all that impressed. Either it was a bad year for tobacco there, or the fields are getting overused. Domincan brands grown from Cuban stock are excellent.

But cigars are too darn expensive for me these days, except as rare gifts to myself. I'm sticking to my pipe.
 BLoNde__ANgeL
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 129
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Posted: 12/31/2011 4:10:13 PM
she's not fat, but she has a booty, some women are genetically built w/ hips that are hippy- that's their bone structure
 hoopsnhikes
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 130
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Posted: 1/3/2012 7:40:39 PM

But cigars are too darn expensive for me these days, except as rare gifts to myself. I'm sticking to my pipe.


What the heck do you do want with cigars and pipes anyway? Do you collect them?
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 131
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Posted: 1/8/2012 8:55:15 AM
I collect pipes, and occaisionally (2-3 times a year)I like to smoke them.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 1/8/2012 10:58:46 AM
wonder if mrs annointeds arse got bigger after the festive season though?
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