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 Damienevil
Joined: 2/22/2008
Msg: 151
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I was going to school. I was working toward my MBA. I came home from school one day to find all his stuff out of my house and an eviction notice on the door. I called up the landlord and said what the hell. He said he had recieved nothing for the last 3 months. My roommate forged rent reciepts from the money I had been giving him and from the landlord and was keeping the money. I ended up having to drop out of school and homeless because of this person. The police did nothing and said all I could do is take the person to small claims court.

This is something to this day I want vengeance on.

I do not believe in getting vengeance for small things but for stuff like this I am willing to take a shit life and screw that person over far worse then I was.
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 152
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Posted: 1/10/2012 8:09:22 AM
The concept of Karma predates Buddha and Buddhism. Just wanted to mention that.

I see it as more of a law, one that balances not punishes.
 Capn_America
Joined: 10/6/2011
Msg: 153
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Posted: 1/10/2012 9:45:58 AM

I see it as more of a law, one that balances not punishes


I used to think that way too, and I got into buddhism for just those reasons. Then, I learned that there IS no balance, not at all. In the universe and the nature that surrounds us, YES. In human beings? Not one shred. And in our actions, there is utter imbalance.
Hittler butchered, what, 6 million jews, men, women, children? Still waiting for the Messiah that's gonna balance that one out by saving about 6 million more, or giving birth to 6 million...lol.
I think Karma is wishfull thinking. Kind of like the concept of Chi.
To quote a favorite Star Wars reference of mine from Han Solo;
" Kid, I've flown from one side of this Universe to the other and I've seen a lot of strange stuff; but I've never seen anything, to make me believe there is this all-powerfull Force controlling EVERYTHING. Because no mystical energy field controls MY destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."
Well, it usually is lol.
 Angelsbigheart
Joined: 7/30/2011
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Posted: 1/10/2012 10:02:39 AM
I think the only 'revenge' type thing I've ever done was getting an even BIGGER big screen TV when my ex took the old one!!
 Viper1E
Joined: 11/30/2011
Msg: 155
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Posted: 1/10/2012 10:06:12 AM

" Kid, I've flown from one side of this Universe to the other and I've seen a lot of strange stuff; but I've never seen anything, to make me believe there is this all-powerfull Force controlling EVERYTHING.


"God is a little kid with a magnifying glass, sitting at a anthill.." -- John Constantine
 christ on a crutch
Joined: 2/1/2009
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Posted: 1/10/2012 12:08:32 PM
karma is proximal and people-related. it only relates to the people we surround ourselves with.

if i'm a criminal, say, i stand a good chance of being visited by crime because i will probably associate with criminals and present them an opportunity to exercise their victimizing nature. not because of some notion of cosmic justice.

if my character is such that i prize honesty and authenticity, i will shun the dishonest, and thus be less likely to be a target of opportunity. not because the universe is rewarding me for my 'goodness.'
 AddHomonym
Joined: 12/26/2011
Msg: 157
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Posted: 1/10/2012 12:39:09 PM
Another way to look at these concepts might be useful:

And ye harm none, you as ye may
The energy you put out into the world returns to you tenfold
Your focused will can bring about change

Merry meet...
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 158
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Posted: 1/10/2012 1:04:27 PM
Capn:
I used to think that way too, and I got into buddhism for just those reasons. Then, I learned that there IS no balance, not at all.
I disagree, but you are allowed your perception of things. As am I.

Interesting how said perceptions do nothing to alter reality..

Or.. do they.. ?

Still waiting for the Messiah that's gonna balance that one out
And perhaps this is where we differ? I am awaiting no such thing.

I accept that when things seem most chaotic, meaningless and out of balance.. one minuscule alteration can swing it all back. And on the flip side, just when everything has reached that seemingly perfect balance.. one minuscule change can push it over the edge back into its opposite again (which brings another law to mind, but I digress)..

Imo it is we who alter the balance by being out of sync with it.

But then.. this brings into the forefront whether one is more oriented toward fatalistic thinking or of utilizing their free will.. whether their 'locus of control' is internal or external..

It's intriguing how all of this plays into the topic at hand.
 wiseguy_89
Joined: 1/7/2012
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Posted: 1/10/2012 2:58:00 PM
I guess staying indifferent as mentioned in previous posts is the best option.I took revenge and realize it caused me even more pain and in some way I lowered my "standards". It was the first and the last time I took revenge. People who hurt others would never find happiness themselves.So no use wasting our time trying to hurt them.
 Viper1E
Joined: 11/30/2011
Msg: 160
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Posted: 1/10/2012 3:05:16 PM

People who hurt others would never find happiness themselves.


They do when they have no conscience. When they can totally disassociate themselves from the damage that they've done, and and accept zero responsibility for their actions, then life becomes one big party for them.
 wiseguy_89
Joined: 1/7/2012
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Posted: 1/10/2012 3:25:49 PM

When they can totally disassociate themselves from the damage that they've done, and and accept zero responsibility for their actions, then life becomes one big party for them.


Okay maybe its true but I can't disassociate myself from the fact that I took revenge.So I am hurting myself more. Yeah the person hurt me but taking revenge means I am doubling the pain because first there is the pain caused by she hurting me and then there is the pain of the revenge which hurt her,which I feel because I liked her(you just cannot like the person one day and hate her the next day). So even if it seems I won by taking revenge,I actually turned out to be even more sore loser.
 ponygt
Joined: 12/26/2011
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Posted: 1/10/2012 9:28:27 PM
I find this amusing. I make one small no nothing comment about karma and it turns into a thread of belief or otherwise.


Interestingly enough, I'm a Christian.


It was just a comment in passing people. Not one expressing my belief.
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 163
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Posted: 1/10/2012 9:58:08 PM
I don't think you are the only person who mentioned karma, and the phrase 'eye for an eye' from the thread title carries religious/spiritual connotations as well. Not sure why a discussion regarding beliefs would appear out of place in a thread about revenge?

On a lighter note, while singing this loudly in my car today.. the thought struck me, without a strong and undeniable urge for revenge.. the world would be without such melodies:

http://youtu.be/WaSy8yy-mr8
 ponygt
Joined: 12/26/2011
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Posted: 1/10/2012 10:02:25 PM

I don't think you are the only person who mentioned karma, and the phrase 'eye for an eye' from the thread title carries religious/spiritual connotations as well. Not sure why a discussion regarding beliefs would appear out of place in a thread about revenge?
You do have a good point. It just appeared to take a drastic turn after I mentioned it, but that may be because I was paying more attention to the thread after that point.
 starfishgazer
Joined: 8/6/2011
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Posted: 1/11/2012 2:14:13 AM
YES
And it made me feel better!
And did not actually hurt the other person as much as embarass them.
I wrote on the back of a picture hanging above his bed with an arrow pointing down that a wanker sleeps here. Hey childish and he did not know untill he decorated a couple of years later.
When a man in his mid forties thinks its ok to sleep with a 17 year old damaged poor girl who takes drugs,and then drag my daughter who was 2 years old at the time to dives when he had her 1 night a fortnight, I think that my embarrasment revenge was pretty lenient and just let a little bit of steam and a smile to my face.
Plus he made a pass at me and joked at how funny it was that my daughter and the young girl were play fighting over sweets......the words just slipped out 'THEY ARE BOTH CHILDREN, ONE OF THEMS YOUR DAUGHTER AND THE OTHER ONE YOUR ****ING!'
They split luckily and he is now with someone who is at least in her 20s and comes from a good family, even if he is her boss at work. So be careful & not too harsh x
 Angelsbigheart
Joined: 7/30/2011
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Posted: 1/11/2012 5:47:41 AM

That’s cold!

Did you invite the guys from his fantasy football league over to watch the game?


Ah... sweet revenge!! But sadly no, not that sort of game... but we do have frequent COD marathons!!
 Capn_America
Joined: 10/6/2011
Msg: 167
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Posted: 1/11/2012 7:00:26 AM

You do have a good point. It just appeared to take a drastic turn after I mentioned it, but that may be because I was paying more attention to the thread after that point


Dunno exactly why or who started, I'd need to go back. But I think that the two ARE linked. You only are the sum of what you believe in, after all. Most religions in the world are all about peace and caring, wether they be the Coran or the Bible or some other book.
YET...the purists on each side can use the same book to prove to everyone that God's vengeance ain't the same as on earth so YOU can throw the first stone, or in contrast, start a Holy War against the infidels. It's so EASY to use and prove what you want to prove. I think the concept of revenge is very intimately linked with our belief systems, and, for most people, that means religions. Probably the ones the least biased (and the more likely to have weirder, or maybe more original, ideas) would be atheist, but atheist who were raised completely without religion. We're just too busy burning people at the cross to be unbiased lol.
Also, most people believe, in one form or another, in "karma" call it karma, divine intervention, God throwing lightning bolts; it stems from the belief that a Greater, or let's call it different, Power with a capital P, rights all wrongs instead of us going out and doing Justice, or Revenge rather, the two are sometimes very similar. I'm a Christian too, but with Faith issues; I WANT to believe, but I CAN'T believe entirely; Science points to NOTHING being planned, ordained, designed. Everything points to us being part of a greater whole, in balance with the rest of the universe, kind of like Shakti said. But as for something doing it with a conscious purpose....everything up until now has been Cause and Effect, consequences and purely mathmatecal(urg, english lol). Which is why I have a problem with Fate punishing the wicked; I think, if God DOES exist, if he wanted to punish someone, that's why he made us; we're the instruments, more than a Divine Hand popping out and Smithing someone, or Fate eventually getting them.

So that's probably why religion and beliefs was thrown in there, just a theory ;-)
I personnally just enjoy a guy who wronged me p*ssing his pants, but then again I'm just plain mean lol.
 Nice7Girl1977
Joined: 2/23/2010
Msg: 168
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:03:27 AM
I have a... "friend" that is very tech minded, that placed an ex on a sex offender registry, that ended up costing her her job, and would have cost her custody of her kid, but the kid turned 18 before it happened.

Your "friend" should count himself lucky since he didn't end up in jail over this stunt. Last I heard hacking into government computers was still illegal. If I were your "friend's "ex, I would sue the hell out of him for defamation of character. Nothing warrants going this far, no matter how badly she hurtled the "friend."

Sure revenge may feel good at the time, but remember people: NOTHING ILLEGAL.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 169
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:24:43 AM
~OT~ The interesting thing about "an eye for an eye" (in my mind)?? My exhusband was a rampant cheater. An "eye for an eye" would have meant that I would have had to get naked with a dozen or more men simply to "even the score." My last BF turned out to be gay and had been using me as a decoy (of sorts) for professional advancements in a community where gays/lesbians are all but burned at the stake and those in hetero-monogamous relationships are deemed "acceptable", so this would mean I need to do what to get "even"?? I need to date hotter men than he dates? John Doe down the street let his dog rip up my wild orchids last summer ~ do I need to get a rescue dog, train him to eat foliage and sent him down the street when he's hungry? An "eye for an eye" indicates "an equal act" and I just simply can't bring myself to waste time doing things that aren't going to render me any peace in my heart or mind. **shrugs**

****I will say, however, that I had forgotten until yesterday that someone did a "revengeful" thing to someone in my honor about 7 years ago. I was moving out of a live-in-relationship situation, my gal-pal felt he had reaaaaaaaaaally wronged me, so when my stuff was out of the house she said she'd meet me later, and that she'd finish the cleaning. What she actually did? She sprayed my perfume on furniture, on all the linens, kitchen towels, cupboards, in his clothes closet, and such. A couple months after my departure, he ran into my son and he said something to the effect of, " I can still smell your Mom all the time at the house." I suppose that was revenge-by-proxy. Maybe that's what would work for me. I'll have that gal-pal do my dirty-little-deeds then I won't worry about my karma being all sorts of jacked up.
 Viper1E
Joined: 11/30/2011
Msg: 170
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Posted: 1/11/2012 10:06:15 AM
Maybe that's what would work for me. I'll have that gal-pal do my dirty-little-deeds then I won't worry about my karma being all sorts of jacked up.


So you think Mafia bosses get a free pass when they order a hit, because they're not the ones pulling the trigger?

Ok..

Last I heard hacking into government computers was still illegal.


News Flash! : It's not hacking, if you have access codes that you're legally entitled to.

Yeah, he's a cop.
 Nice7Girl1977
Joined: 2/23/2010
Msg: 171
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Posted: 1/11/2012 12:53:27 PM
Last I heard hacking into government computers was still illegal.


News Flash! : It's not hacking, if you have access codes that you're legally entitled to.

Yeah, he's a cop.

Viper1E So, cops are above the law? They are not held to the same standards as us, common folks? They are allowed to do whatever they fell like and get away with it? A police officer is allowed to ruin someone's life completely just because he or she is mad at someone? hmmm.... Scary. Right out of some B-movie.

Let's see. I work for a company which deals with sensitive information. I am not allowed to disclose or change it. Yeah, I do have access to to this and can update it but I will be fired (for sure) and probably sued if I any harm will come to our clients because of my actions. I would imagine cops have to sign numerous papers about privacy and confidentiality and "n0-harm" policies before being granted any access to this database (I sure had to before I could work with mine).

Hope your friend in in jail now. Sure would be there if he did something like that to me. I would hire the best lawyer in town just to make sure he was charged. Heck, I would even phone every local newspaper and TV station about this story. lol. What he did is despicable and criminal on top of that. Who knows what else he is capable of doing?

Once thing is to make holes in your rival's clothes (bad decision but could be excused after excessive counseling) but putting someone on the sex offender list is whole other ball of game.

Note to myself: never ever ever under any circumstances date cops.
 Capn_America
Joined: 10/6/2011
Msg: 172
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Posted: 1/11/2012 1:44:54 PM

Viper1E So, cops are above the law? They are not held to the same standards as us, common folks? They are allowed to do whatever they fell like and get away with it? A police officer is allowed to ruin someone's life completely just because he or she is mad at someone? hmmm.... Scary.


To his defense...sometimes you actually need cops like that. They're the ones that are doing bad things and making the system look bad. Their also the ones breaking that rule that should say you should pay a parking ticket, or that take that extra special, "I'll stay up 72 hours straight to catch the serial killer" day. My uncle was on the force for about 29 years, before, in order to NOT pay his pension, they accused him of corruption. The federal governement investigated and found him not guilty, but at this point he spat in their faces. Point is, he'd do things that work and made sense, when no one else would,I'll give you a concrete example; when I was 18, I used to work night shifts in a grocery store. Armed robber comes in, we tussle, I manage to make him loose the knife, and pin him down. My first hold up. I tied him up in the backstore, call the cops. They come, and pick him up, and the cop take me to the side...and gives me crap. I was dumbfounded. He explained to me then that that guy, from the records they have, is a notorious thief who does this weekly, and has a nasty seet of violence, theft, death threats. He has no money and is jobless, so they have to take him in the cell, and since the crime is a relatively minor one, and no judge would press charges when the sheet is this long, and he has no money at all to his name....by tonight they'll have to set him off on the street. He;ll start again next week.
What he did SUGGEST I do (because according to law he isnt allowed to say this) is that say I would have fought with him and BADLY had hurt him....well the camera I have in the store could have broken that night, and that this guy, who had casually been crossing the street, got hit by a BUS and ME, seeing that, went to help, being a good soul. SO the cops come pick him up, take him to a hospital under surveillance, where he stays for a couple weeks or months with broken bones. Which is LESS expensive to the system than holding him in a cell, and keeps him off the street for that time.
See how the world isn't black and white? Most people by now are probably appalled, but if you had seen the stuff I see about people....when I see a guy mugging someone or trying to rob a store, I whip his ass; holding him will serve nothing and he will probably get released. Better or for worse, a "dirty" cop told me how the system works in Canada.....
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 173
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Posted: 1/11/2012 1:51:14 PM

So you think Mafia bosses get a free pass when they order a hit, because they're not the ones pulling the trigger?

Yeah ~ I distinctly recall telling my gal-pal, "Just take care of it. I want that fuking house to smell like me for as long as he owns it!!" (I mean reaaaaaaaaaaally now.) There is no such thing as a "free pass" with karma. I KNOW karma had no beef with me when my friend did what she did as I didn't "order" it done. What I also know? You scare me. The vindictive/hateful/nasty thoughts and deeds that you speak in this thread alone? They tell me that you'd be someone to NEVER turn your back on, never ever. Makes me sad for you in a number of ways ~ but it makes me wonder how many you'll wrong by means of vindictive/malicious deeds/acts before someone has enough and really does something horrible back to you. See? This "revenge" you speak of? It runs in circles. (Hypothetically) I hurt you, you hurt me. Someone that loves me REALLY hurts you, and if someone loves you, they retaliate and so on and so on until ... well ... we're either all dead or we're all in prison. And all for what? So you feel less slighted? Simply ridiculous. JMO
 Capn_America
Joined: 10/6/2011
Msg: 174
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Posted: 1/11/2012 2:04:41 PM

tell me that you'd be someone to NEVER turn your back on, never ever.


Wait wait wait, back up....isn't that the point of the thread? WHY would you turn your back on someone you love, and create the need for revenge? Revenge is when your slighted and hurt for something in a mean way. I could understand someone who hurts me and doesnt mean to. I'm a big boy, I can forgive. But someone who intentionnally hurts you and KNOWS it....why the hell should anyone want to forgive and forget? Cry and smooch and say were sorry, were so full of anger....what? Why shouldnt I be mad? What possessed you to hurt me in the first place, why would you even WANT to? And that's the trouble; some people just WANT to, for no reason.
You know, if no one cheated, no one was dishonest, no one lied, there wouldnt be a thread like this saying its okay to hate, and we wouldnt be bad guys. We wouldnt NEED to hate. But revenge WILL exist as long as their humanbeings on Earth. Because humans are one BAD bunch of mother*******. Some people live off seeing others suffer.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 175
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Posted: 1/11/2012 2:38:15 PM
Wait wait wait, back up....isn't that the point of the thread? WHY would you turn your back on someone you love, and create the need for revenge?

Why do people turn their backs on people they once loved and that once loved back in return? Things change. People change. Love changes and unless we're living in some bubble, we know as adults, that sometimes life is cruel and unfair. And at times? We can be cruel and unfair our own selves. Because life/love include loss.

Revenge is when your slighted and hurt for something in a mean way. I could understand someone who hurts me and doesnt mean to. I'm a big boy, I can forgive. But someone who intentionnally hurts you and KNOWS it....why the hell should anyone want to forgive and forget?

Because we're smart enough to realize that we hurt our own self far more than we hurt someone else when we hold on to things we can NOT change.

Cry and smooch and say were sorry, were so full of anger....what? Why shouldnt I be mad? What possessed you to hurt me in the first place, why would you even WANT to? And that's the trouble; some people just WANT to, for no reason.

Being mad and being hateful and vengeful are two VERY different things.

You know, if no one cheated, no one was dishonest, no one lied, there wouldnt be a thread like this saying its okay to hate, and we wouldnt be bad guys. We wouldnt NEED to hate. But revenge WILL exist as long as their humanbeings on Earth. Because humans are one BAD bunch of mother*******. Some people live off seeing others suffer.

And that was exactly MY point in my post to viper. Some (such as yourself, if that's what you're saying here and him and others as well) choose to be hateful. And like it or not? It is a choice that YOU make. It's not necessary, it holds no valuable purpose and in the end ~ does it really solve your hurt? My only child died 2 years ago. I had three basic choices. 1) To die right along with him; 2) to be angry/hateful and mad at the world because for some reason the person I loved most on this planet died at age 23, leaving me all alone; or 3) to get up, breath in and out all day, cry a LOT, force myself to eat, and hope that one day I wouldn't have to force myself to stay alive. I could have felt vengeful to a person who contributed to the misery he was in the last 6 months of his life. I could have made her life a living nightmare. But what would hate/revenge accomplished? Not one thing. That sorry excuse of a human being can rot in her own private hell while I celebrate the time I had with my son and the life that I have left to live. We have choices. We can become bitter people or we can become better people. It's that simple.
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