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 lyingcheat
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There is no "Ground Zero Mosque.", and there was never a proposal to build one.


I'm going to call the proposed Ground Zero Mosque just what it is.

umm.... that's exactly what you're not doing, since there was no plan to build it at 'ground zero' and it isn't a mosque.


I notice you couldn't deny that the Muslim Brotherhood's affiliates in North America supported the Dar al Hijrah complex...

Why would I engage in discussions of your strawman fallacies that amount to irrelevant derails.

The thread is about an atrocity in Iraq committed by US soldiers, yet you somehow have interpreted it to be about your jihadist armageddon fantasies. Read back, almost all of your posts, in their entirety, have been about something other than the topic.

Speaking of the topic...


Video Inflames a Delicate Moment for U.S. in Afghanistan.
KABUL, Afghanistan — A video showing four United States Marines urinating on three dead Taliban fighters provoked anger and condemnation on Thursday in Afghanistan and around the world, raising fears in Washington that the images could incite anti-American sentiment at a particularly delicate moment in the decade-old Afghan war.

The Obama administration is struggling to keep the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, on its side as it carefully tries to open talks with the Taliban. Yet the video showing such a desecration — a possible war crime — is likely to weaken the American position with both. The Taliban and Mr. Karzai each pointed to the images as evidence of American brutality, a message with broad appeal in Afghanistan, where word of the video was slowly spreading on Thursday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/world/asia/video-said-to-show-marines-urinating-on-taliban-corpses.html?pagewanted=all




KABUL: An Afghan soldier who shot dead four French troops says he did it because of a recent video showing US Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban insurgents, security sources say.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/marines-film-linked-to-french-troop-deaths-20120123-1qdxq.html


And a different angle from the National Catholic Reporter... (my edit)

Marines urinating on Taliban corpses: Putting words to the picture
The most telling story within the PBS report, however, was Ignatius' remark that the Marines' behavior is the kind of thing that happens in war. Although not quite a boys-will-be boys quip, his comment nevertheless misses a disturbing underside of American society.

Atrocities in war happen, sure. But their staging by troops for the purpose of photographic documentation is behavior that makes no sense outside a cultural context in which the commitment of atrocities is conflated with martial accomplishment.

The photographs that documented the pride of men liberating Dachau were supplanted by self-posed shots documenting the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and the desecration of dead Taliban soldiers.

It is said that pictures can be worth a thousand words, but it will take many thousands of words to write the back-story of the pictures coming home from the new American wars of the 21st century.

When the clouds of denial, confusion and excuse-making generated by the photographs are parted, we'll see beyond the insensitivity and narcissism of the posing poseurs and see the still-uglier sight of a country that lost its sense of place in history, its people supporting wars only because the troops have been sent to fight them, its troops displaying their own degradation as a badge of honor.

(Jerry Lembcke is associate professor of sociology at Holy Cross College in Worcester, Mass.)
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 1/24/2012 10:00:47 AM

I'm going to call the proposed Ground Zero Mosque just what it is. Apologists for Islamic extremism can call it whatever they want. It is a calculated show of Islamist supremacy and contempt for a hallowed site, just as surely as if a group of Japanese supremacists were to build a memorial to Japan's WWII conquests within view of the Arizona Memorial.

I notice you couldn't deny that the Muslim Brotherhood's affiliates in North America supported the Dar al Hijrah complex--which has been a haven for jihadists--and are now supporting the so-called "Cordoba Initiative." I'm sure you'd like to deny the connections among the Muslim Brotherhood, ISNA, IIIT, Hamas ("the wing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine," says its charter), Dar al Hijrah, and the proposed Ground Zero Mosque--if you knew anything about them--but they have been proven.

I don't want to get into more details on this here, since it's tangential to the thread topic. I have lots more documentation of it, with specific facts, dates, and names. Earlier, I posted links to the documents used in the Holy Land Foundation trial. If anyone is interested in the truth about Faisal Rauf et al. and the Ground Zero Mosque, as opposed to the falsehoods leftists and their Islamist buddies are peddling, they can contact me directly.


Once again you ignore the actual reality in favor of your own bigoted bias. Doesn't matter what truth is, if it doesn't reinforce your personal bias, you reject it. Reality need not apply.
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 1/24/2012 10:08:29 AM

You crack me up, the proposed Mosque was not proposed until after 9-11 those stores/shops etc..have been there since before 9-11...I may be wrong but the Towers weren't destroyed and 3000 or so innocent civilians were not killed by Hookers and Strippers, they were killed by Muslim Terrorists.


I might point out to you that those Muslim terrorists were largely Saudi Arabian, yet we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan was fine for a punitive strike, not an occupation, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 at any level.

If we were interested in actually punishing the bad guys, we'd have bombed Saudi Arabia. But we couldn't do that because they're FoBs.

Regardless, America has now killed many many more muslims (and christians as well) in Afghanistan and Iraq than were people killed in 9/11. So how many is enough for retributive purposes?
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 1/24/2012 6:47:16 PM
I know that communist, socialist and anarchist are synonymous with evil in your mind, but it was a different time.

Lucille Ball was a member of the Communist party at that time.

The men who went to fight for freedom and democracy in Spain were acting heroically. Hemingway went.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 1/24/2012 7:12:46 PM
Yes, it was a democratic form of communism. It was the elected government of Spain. The Fascists bloodily put down the will of the people and put in a totalitarian dictatorship.

If communists win an election, then fighting against evil and for democracy is fighting for democracy.

Hell, you were born in a totalitarian nation. I'm kind of shocked that you don't understand the difference between democracy and totalitarianism. Unless of course, you really believe that "communism, socialism and anarchism is EVIL." Then you're pretty much beyond the reach of rational argument. It's a tenet of faith that brooks no disagreement.
 Ms Cheevious
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Posted: 1/25/2012 4:56:25 AM
From the Washington Examiner:



Marine's career threatened by controversial rules of engagement

Marine Corps 1st Lt. Joshua Waddell, 25, in Sangin, Afghanistan, is executive officer with the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marine Corps Regiment, from Twentynine Palms, Calif. (Courtesy photo)Joshua Waddell, a first lieutenant in the U.S. Marines, appeared on his way to a stellar career as an American military officer. The son of a retired Navy SEAL commander, Waddell was awarded a Bronze Star during his first tour of duty in Afghanistan and had returned for a second.
Then he made a decision in combat that military experts say has severely jeopardized his future in the corps.

But some military experts say the black mark on Waddell's record was undeserved, that he and other young American officers are being put in a difficult, if not impossible, situation by unreasonable rules of engagement foisted upon the military by politically sensitive commanders in the Pentagon.

The facts in Waddell's case are spelled out in Marine Corps documents. But how those facts should be interpreted is a matter of heated dispute.

On Nov. 1, Waddell, a 25-year-old executive officer with 3rd Battallion, 7th Marine Corps Regiment, was monitoring a surveillance camera in Sangin, Afghanistan, when he spotted a man who had been identified as a bomb maker working with area insurgents. Two days earlier, a sergeant from India Company had lost both legs and a hand when a bomb detonated in their area of operation. The man spotted on the camera was believed to be responsible.

After receiving permission from his battalion commanders, Waddell ordered Marine snipers to open fire on the man, and he was hit. A group of Afghans rushed to the man, put him on a tractor and attempted to flee. Waddell ordered the snipers to hit the engine block of the tractor, disabling it so the man believed to be a bomb maker would not escape. The tractor was hit but no civilians were injured.

Then, about three weeks later, the civilians who helped remove the wounded man from the area were found to be teenagers.

As a result, Waddell was demoted from executive officer, and the battalion commander, Lt. Col. Seth Folsom, determined he had violated rules of engagement that governed when Marines could fire, and at whom. Folsom said Wadell "is not recommended for promotion" and "in violation of [combat rules] during an engagement." The report stated that "noncombatant local nationals" were in the area of direct fire and that "the engagement resulted in a damaged local national vehicle."

A Marine brigadier general who reviewed the case was sympathetic to Waddell, whom he described as a "superb and heroic combat leader. But the general said the decision on whether Waddell should be promoted was "the commander's prerogative," noting that the battalion commander on the scene had lost "confidence in [Waddell's] abilities."

Marine Maj. Shawn Haney, spokesman for Marine Corps Manpower and Reserve Affairs, said Waddell's fitness report will go before a review board at the time of any promotion "and everything is under scrutiny, so Waddell will have a chance to defend himself against the accusations." Still, Haney conceded, Waddell's fitness reports play a "significant role in future promotions."

The upshot is that Waddell's career has been effectively blunted, his chance for promotion blocked.

Waddell is just one of hundreds of cases of troops who have suffered under stringent rules of engagement, said Jeff Addicott, a former senior legal adviser to U.S. Army Special Forces.

"We have hamstrung our military with unrealistic ROEs that do more harm to our soldiers than the enemy, and now a Marine's career is on the line because he disabled a tractor," Addicott said. "In many ways our military is frozen in fear of violating absurd self-imposed rules on the battlefield, How can you tell if it's a teenager or a man, a farmer or an enemy when you're fighting an insurgency?"

A Marine stationed in Afghanistan who does not know Waddell, but who has operated under the same rules, said, "The rules of engagement are meant to placate [President Hamid] Karzai's government at our expense. They say it's about winning the hearts and minds, but it's not working. We're not putting fear into the enemy, only our troops."

Waddell's father, Mark Waddell, who served more than 25 years in the military and retired as a commander of a Navy SEAL team, said his son and other Americans fighting in Afghanistan are being victimized by these rules.

"I feel what's happened to my son is a complete betrayal, and he isn't the only one," said Waddell, of Fort Worth, Texas. "Josh is a hero. We expect them to go out and make instantaneous combat decisions, then we Monday-morning quarterback their decisions. It's an outrage."



All you armchair PC "warriors" should be turning cartwheels over this situation..

In case y'all didn't get the memo...war is already a royal pain in the ass. When f*cked up ROE is added to the mix.... it damn near ruins the party.


US video ‘behind’ French troops deaths
An Afghan soldier who shot dead four French troops has said he did it because of a recent video showing US Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban insurgents, security sources told AFP.

Didn't read the article, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the Afghan soldier's loyalties are questionable. I'm surprised he is still alive.


The attack on the soldiers, who were unarmed, came on Friday at a base in eastern Afghanistan and left 15 other French troops wounded, eight of them seriously.

Attacking the UNarmed is par for the course, no? Appears they operate under different ROE.

 lyingcheat
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In case y'all didn't get the memo...war is already a royal pain in the ass. When f*cked up ROE is added to the mix.... it damn near ruins the party.

There's no doubt about it, war has a deleterious effect on everyone involved. But even so, having 'Rules Of Engagement' that prohibit desecration of corpses seems kind of sensible.



US video ‘behind’ French troops deaths
An Afghan soldier who shot dead four French troops has said he did it because of a recent video showing US Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban insurgents, security sources told AFP.

Didn't read the article, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the Afghan soldier's loyalties are questionable. I'm surprised he is still alive.

Once again, there's no doubt about where the rogue Afghan soldiers loyalties lie. It's not like he sprayed bullets around in an effort to make friends.
The point of the article is that he used the actions of the undisciplined marines to justify it. So all those marines have done is inspire the forces they're fighting against, while inserting unnecessary complications into any peace or handover negotiations. Not to mention ruining their own lives and besmirching the US's international reputation. Again.

Presumably the Afghan soldier is still alive though because the discipline of the French soldiers who captured him prevented them from sinking to his level with some crude retaliatory gesture?


The attack on the soldiers, who were unarmed, came on Friday at a base in eastern Afghanistan and left 15 other French troops wounded, eight of them seriously.


Attacking the UNarmed is par for the course, no? Appears they operate under different ROE.

Different ROE or not, the article you cite has a US serviceman firing on unarmed people who are trying to evacuate an injured man.

The Geneva Convention kind of frowns on things like that, and that's without even considering they were teenagers.

The people who really want to avoid such ethical dilemmas should be putting all their efforts into negotiating a solution, not trying to think of ways to make it easier to shoot at Afghans.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mEj0Gj5vsQ
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 1/25/2012 9:08:00 AM

Ask your spirit guide too whom you want standing on that wall tonight. A loyal person sometimes stupid but has your back.


Yes, "sometimes stupid" will be one of the things that I agree with in this case; however, in my book, the case for loyalty is very much in doubt. As we have already seen, some coalition soldiers have been killed and many more have been injured by prople taking revenge for the desecration of the corpses, a war crime committed by those stupid Marines. How many more will die or suffer injury because of that "stupid," premeditated action on their part? No, that is not the action of people who are loyal to the cause. It is the action of those who would like the conflict prolonged for as long as they can profit from it.

I am going to wait to see the results of the investigation about what really happened there in that incident. I suspect that those responsible for the timing of the release of that video most likely had reasons of their own for what they did. To say that it was just sheer stupidity is fine for those who would like to give them a light slap and a pass. For people like me, knowing that the president had already disciplined one of those high ranking officers serving in Afghanistan for disloyal service, "loyalty" is not just an empty word to lull my senses. If any of those involved in this incident, and the release of the video, are found to have been acting in the slightest self-serving manner, I would say they ought to be slapped with an additional charge: treason.
 matchlight
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Posted: 1/25/2012 1:21:15 PM

If any of those involved in this incident, and the release of the video, are found to have been acting in the slightest self-serving manner, I would say they ought to be slapped with an additional charge: treason.


As someone who's studied the history of treason cases in the U.S., I think that's about as likely as he!! freezing over tomorrow. There's a good reason the Framers made treason one of only two crimes defined in the Constitution: They wanted to make it very hard to broaden the definition of treason so it could be used as an all-purpose weapon against political enemies, as it had been used in England. Even so, it was politicized here too--the treason trial of Vice-President Aaron Burr is just one example.

This incident is to war crimes what letting you lawn get too high is to regular crimes. And it comes no closer to qualifying as treason than shoplifting comes to qualifying for the death penalty. Dozens of U.S. citizens who were Soviet agents in the years after WWII did far, far more to harm this country, by smuggling out secret military information, spreading pro-Communist propaganda, influencing U.S. policy so as to bring the Maoists to power in China, and in a great many other ways. But instead of calling for their heads, leftists everywhere continue to defend them. In their view, harming the evil U.S. and helping Communist good guys makes you a hero.
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I have mixed feelings on this, you take a 19-20 yr old send him to0 a combat zone,and now their mandate changes to being policeman.You are in a hostile environment where an IED or an Afghan soldier or policeman may turn his firearm on you.Is it totally unprofessional and goes against the marine code yes.Do I have any sympathy for the dead Taliban no,The desecrating of the bodies I do not understand and probably never will, nor do I understand the chopping off of heads bu Islamic fundamentalist's. The main thing is these marines by their actions are just a new recruiting tool for Al-qaeda just like Abu ghraib.They have provided a new recruiting tool for the enemy.Let the marine deal with these men.
 whiskeypapa
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Posted: 1/26/2012 4:58:32 PM
They will be dealt with lightly if the sentence of Staff Sargent Frank Wuterich is any indication.

Wuterich was the leader in the Haditha massacre in which 24 unarmed civilians were killed, 11 of whom were children one a toddler. Wuterich was demoted to private and will serve no jail time. All other marines in the massacre had their sentences dismissed.
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 1/26/2012 5:17:49 PM

Sadly but with confidence We are not nice, And will attone for our actions,
I simply hope all of us with the glass houses. Take a moment and rate this with the generalnesses of war. Rape ,pilladge,burn , But whine and complain if you must. But as you sleep comfortable. In your prayer before you fall asleep. Ask your spirit guide too whom you want standing on that wall tonight. A loyal person sometimes stupid but has your back. and willing to put him/her self up there. Or ? someone else


Senica, I've stood that watch many times, for many years. If I, who is as human and fallible as the next man, can retain my professionalism and humanity during the height of the horrors of war, so can my others brothers and sisters in arms.

If you can't follow, or don't think the rules and regulations apply to you, GTFO of the military. We don't need you. Nor do I think you want such loose cannons guarding you while you sleep.
 Worbug
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Posted: 1/26/2012 6:00:10 PM
I think we need to figure out the punishment for Beating a Dead Horse. Feeling guilty anyone. No I am sure, evryone is only good at judging others and not themselves.

I cannot believe all the Blind Sheep that believe every bit of propaganda generated towards aAmerica. 1 case okay 2 cases, maybe, but do you really think this stuff is happening as if it is normal. Good Grief.

But hey, I guess if you find something on the internet, it HAS to be TRUE.

"A mind is a terrible thing..."
 Ms Cheevious
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Forums have been 'loopy' for the past couple days....finally got a window of opportunity to reply post -


US video ‘behind’ French troops deaths
An Afghan soldier who shot dead four French troops has said he did it because of a recent video showing US Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban insurgents, security sources told AFP.

The attack on the soldiers, who were unarmed, came on Friday at a base in eastern Afghanistan and left 15 other French troops wounded, eight of them seriously.
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Didn't read the article, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the Afghan soldier's loyalties are questionable. I'm surprised he is still alive.



Once again, there's no doubt about where the rogue Afghan soldiers loyalties lie. It's not like he sprayed bullets around in an effort to make friends.


I doubt our errant Marines had visions of future friendships on their minds when they tinkled on the taliban either.


The point of the article is that he used the actions of the undisciplined marines to justify it.


Yeah, but don't believe everything you read. It could have just as easily been a case of - dood was checking his inbox on PoF, saw all unread/deleted in his sent messages folder..got pissed OFF (as opposed to pissed ON)... signed into the forums... didn't get the idea to use "justification" til he read this thread.

Or, here's a thought...perhaps he was a taliban rebel infiltrator whose mission was to slaughter these UNarmed personnel all along...the "justification" just added a measure of dramatic flair.


So all those marines have done is inspire the forces they're fighting against


I'm not aware of any times the taliban moped around, listless and uninspired. They don't need a gentle nudge in the right direction to get them into shootin, lootin, rape, pillage and plunder mode.


while inserting unnecessary complications into any peace or handover negotiations


Actually, I think the taliban (after a taliban spokesman praised the attacker) indicated the piss poor performance of our Marines would NOT hamper the peace negotiations. See? Even the taliban understands that all is fair in love and war.



Not to mention ruining their own lives


I doubt their lives will be ruined by THIS incident. What they have experienced in combat will have a much greater, adverse impact on their mental and physical health than the hoopla created by whipping out their weiners.



and besmirching the US's international reputation. Again.


Like the world "loves" us already. Personally, I think we should pull our troops out of everywhere, and tell the world to kiss our ass. Someone requests our assistance to further their cause, or settle disputes? "Nope..ain't gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent. Have a good day. Hugs and kisses..." If they insist, we bomb the f*ck out of both sides, call it a day and go home.



Presumably the Afghan soldier is still alive though because the discipline of the French soldiers who captured him prevented them from sinking to his level with some crude retaliatory gesture?



I've tried to find more information on this story online. Not much out there. From what I've read so far, it appears the French and Afghan troops were conducting an off base, joint training exercise. The French were Unarmed, the Afghans apparently WERE. (I can't believe that ANY military over there would be UNarmed, EVER...but, I digress)...

I think he is still alive because the French were UNarmed, NOT because the surviving Frenchmen decided to conduct themselves as gentlemen. Attacker probably ran out of bullets, and got hauled off by fellow Afghans before anyone else could get to him. I believe he is in Afghan custody now. Gosh, I hope he doesn't accidently get the opportunity to "escape".

I'll betcha EVERY one of those French soldiers would have given their left nut to have had a (as one poster in this thread described) -"backwoods bubbas with their jacked up pickup trucks, gun wracks, ignorant, illiterate, hip-hop rappin' sagging-ass pants ... most who can't get a job and if they do get one, they can't keep it without constant surveillance" ARMED and on site when this incident went down. The casualty count would have been significantly LESS, and the PoF uberPC would have a reason to start another "those damn knuckle draggin backwoods bubbas beschmirched us AGAIN" thread.



Different ROE or not, the article you cite has a US serviceman firing on unarmed people who are trying to evacuate an injured man.

The servicemen fired on and disabled the TRACTOR. No additional personnel were injured in the execution of that objective.
Do you realize how much EASIER it would have been to just blow the whole frickin bunch AND the tractor to smithereens?


The Geneva Convention kind of frowns on things like that, and that's without even considering they were teenagers.


Teenagers can make you JUST as dead as say....an old bat like me.






And I would say the same if it had been my daughter ... who BTW served honorably as an officer in the Middle East.


You only know what your daughter wants you to know. Most times, what happens over there, stays over there, unless some dumbass videotapes it.


my daughter was proud to serve and she never would have tolerated any such behavior in the troops she commanded.


What branch of service? What specialty? Did/does she have the same mindset as you regarding members of the "Bubba-like" military?

There is a HUGE difference between operating INside the wire vs OUTside of it. Unless she was downrange, in the midst of the ass kickin party...you really don't KNOW what she would have "tolerated".

ALSO, most of the braggarts are the ones who spent their tour of duty INside the wire. Those who experienced the 'real deal' generally don't want to talk about it. Self-adulation is hollow if your soldiers have no faith, trust or confidence in you or your leadership.



and my patients adore me...

aren't most of your patients mental??



That puts me in immediate contact with ex-military personnel who served there and did not lower themselves to such inappropriate behavior.

Again, unless you were THERE, you have no clue how these individuals performed under pressure. Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. You've heard that before.
 Ms Cheevious
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Posted: 1/26/2012 6:39:35 PM

If I, who is as human and fallible as the next man, can retain my professionalism and humanity during the height of the horrors of war, so can my others brothers and sisters in arms.


Dude! You can't even post in the FORUMS without going off into a foaming rant!!

How in the HELL do you expect us to believe you held it together in COMBAT???

..that is..IF you were actually ever IN a combat situation..(besides the forums)...


Nor do I think you want such loose cannons guarding you while you sleep.


uh..yeah...I'll choose the "loose cannon" ANNNNNNNNNNY day over the alternative.
 whiskeypapa
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Posted: 1/26/2012 7:56:47 PM

I'm not aware of any times the taliban moped around, listless and uninspired. They don't need a gentle nudge in the right direction to get them into shootin, lootin, rape, pillage and plunder mode.


Some information about the Taliban: When the Soviets left Afghanistan a period of anarchy ensued. Talibs, students from the Madrasses seized power and restored order.
they stopped the trade in opium and formed a government that was recognized by the US who even paid their salaries. Unfortunately the Talibs were students of Wahabism a form of Islam from Saudi America that is more ancient custom than it is Islam. It is very extreme and Puritanical in its application. The predominate religion of Afghanistan before US interference was Sufi, a much more benign form of Islam that combined mysticism with the teachings of Mohammad.

They don't do any looting pillaging or plundering since it is their own country.

They stopped rape which seemed to be the prerogative of the local warlords.

Your assertion that the Taliban are not listless and uninspired is correct. They are steadfast in their determination to rid their country of the invaders and like Viet Nam time is on their side.
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And I would say the same if it had been my daughter ... who BTW served honorably as an officer in the Middle East.

You only know what your daughter wants you to know.
My daughter is trustworthy and I am able to believe what she tells me.

Most times, what happens over there, stays over there, unless some dumbass videotapes it.
Which means ...? Seems to me that only those who serve dishonorably have nothing to talk about ... and everything to hide. I've had enough contact with military all my life to know that.


my daughter was proud to serve and she never would have tolerated any such behavior in the troops she commanded.

What branch of service?
I'd say it doesn't matter what branch of the military one serves in ... or do they all have their own set of rules? Don't bother to answer that ... I already know the real answer.

What specialty?
Weapons intelligence ... Lt.

Did/does she have the same mindset as you regarding members of the "Bubba-like" military?
LMAO ... Didn't care for that? Then stop acting like it!

Those who experienced the 'real deal' generally don't want to talk about it.
As I said above: Seems to me that only those who serve dishonorably have nothing to talk about ... and everything to hide.


and my patients adore me...

aren't most of your patients mental??
No ... and they're always happy to see me and always want me to see them again.


That puts me in immediate contact with ex-military personnel who served there and did not lower themselves to such inappropriate behavior.

Again, unless you were THERE, you have no clue how these individuals performed under pressure.
Their injuries are their testimony. And they have done nothing to lead me to believe they are NOT telling the truth. They are not braggarts by any means.

OT ...
Those Marines need to be prosecuted to the highest.

Unfortunately, even if they are punished as they should be, the fighters who will eventually want to "get even" with any US military personnel would probably not realize it if we really did punish those Marines and still carry out their revenge.
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Posted: 1/26/2012 8:20:53 PM

formed a government that was recognized by the US who even paid their salaries.


Whose salaries are you claiming the U.S. paid? And the notion that Taliban or other Muslim jihadists have anything against rape is ludicrous.


They are steadfast in their determination to rid their country of the invaders and like Viet Nam time is on their side.


Oh, how heroic of them! Which Taliban, exactly, is the one you refer to in your hagiography? Apparently the comic book you got your "information" from didn't mention that it's not just one single group. You also conveniently ignore the little detail that the jihadist thugs who had seized power in Kabul in the late 1990's let the men who sponsored the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in East Africa, the bombing of the Cole in Aden, and finally the attempted decapitation of the U.S. government on 9/11 make Afghanistan their home base.

Here is a very good, accurate source for those who prefer facts to myths and leftist propaganda:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/
 whiskeypapa
Joined: 5/19/2008
Msg: 311
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Posted: 1/26/2012 9:08:48 PM
The US paid the salaries of the Taliban administration and even flew them to the US to have them change their decision to have Bridas build the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline in favour of Unicol.

The bombing of the Cole is an interesting read with the possibility that it was bombed by the criminal regime occupying Palestine. It is possible when one considers the Lavon Affair and the bombing of the USS LIBERTY. Those criminals have no qualms about killing Americans.

The US government is already decapitated and emasculated by AIPAC who have Uncle Sams balls for bookends in their office.

longwarjoural is a blog and as such open to the biases of its editor. Very unreliable.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 312
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Posted: 1/27/2012 4:24:32 AM
How do you explain what is happening in Egypt now? America supported them in their Arab Spring BS.....You guys don't seem to realize that there is nothing we can do to make certain peoples not hate/resent America...
It's funny that you all try to blame our military actions for why so many countries peoples hate America..what about our society as a whole, Political correctness, Gay Marriage, Transgender BS, Pornography, miniskirts etc....these things are contrary to the Religious beliefs of many in the Countries in question,it's easier to blame the military for all of our problems but truth is they hate for what America is..
 Julietsdestiny
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Posted: 1/27/2012 7:10:42 AM
My 11 year old son proceeded to tell me all about what the Japanese did to Australian soldiers.
I explained to him what the Australian soldiers did to the Japanese.
I explained to him that War is War and each 'side' is full of bitterness and pain, there is no good side or bad side.
The person urinating was caught on camera but who ever know's what has happened to soldiers that were not caught on camera?
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 1/27/2012 8:05:45 AM

I explained to him that War is War and each 'side' is full of bitterness and pain, there is no good side or bad side.


Oh, I see. The laws of war mean nothing, since Japan, which openly ignored them during WWII, was just as moral as the allied nations which all made it their policy to follow them. And the British and Americans were no better than the Nazis. Some of us actually cling to the quaint notion that there is a right and a wrong.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 1/27/2012 8:24:15 AM

You crack me up, the proposed Mosque was not proposed until after 9-11 those stores/shops etc..have been there since before 9-11...I may be wrong but the Towers weren't destroyed and 3000 or so innocent civilians were not killed by Hookers and Strippers, they were killed by Muslim Terrorists.

Some perspective for your derp.

http://digg.com/story/r/casualities_of_9_11_the_war_on_terror_and_the_invasion_of_iraq_pic
 Wolfpath
Joined: 1/24/2012
Msg: 316
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Posted: 1/27/2012 8:38:15 AM
Conflict and combat are UGLY. People do things they normally wouldn't do. It's just that simple. Balanced however against a belief that enslaves women, justifies genital mutilation, pre pubertal sex, death by stoning, be-heading infidels and a multiplicity of other forms of turture, while it may not come across as 'rational', it seems that the people protesting a little urinating forget just what type of "people" we are dealing with.
Islam has no room for you unless you convert, and will not remember or care about your protests against marines peeing on a corpse.
Cynical, yes, yes it is. But for no better reason than a difference in beliefs, Islam wants me dead, my daughters dead (or enslaved in brothels at best), my mother dead, my sisters dead (or enslaved). I could certainly relate to wanting to pee on, or even scalp such peple myself.
Do people think that loving and hugging Islam, pandering to the idea that they must have had a horrible childhood, or that it is something that can be "fixed" by a therapist really believe that? That if your NICE to someone who wants you dead or enslaved, that they will be any less desirous of your demise? People should really READ the q'uran, and the stated tenents of Islam. They should pay attention not to the loud voices of "peaceful islam" but to the quiet voices in the background of women who KNOW how Islam and Sharia actually exist. This is a belief system that TEACHES that the Deception of the Infidel in ALL matters is permissible.
You need to LISTEN to what is going on in Europe with their issues with Islam and Moslem immigrants.
That people think that "love and kindness" is going to change the reality of Islam is - wow - astounding?
That is the scariest behavior and thinking of all.
Bet yer all waiting for that Hope and Change as well?
 forum_moderator
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Posted: 1/27/2012 9:10:10 AM
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