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 matchlight
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I'd say far more appalling things happen in Gitmo, like waterboarding and torture.


What evidence is there, if any, that the U.S. ever tortured or waterboarded anyone at Guantanamo? Spreading a slander against this country is a disservice to the people fighting to defend it.


If the 9/11 incident WAS indeed carried out by those who allegedly indicated as per the official propaganda, even that was in retaliation for our mucking about in the lands of others.


That's ever more unhinged than what Ron Paul says. Thanks for proving, once again, why no one here should take your claims seriously.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 1/14/2012 9:01:26 AM
Bush admitted to authorizing torture at Gitmo.

In an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer, Bush bragged about it.


We believe America's going to be attacked again. There's all kinds of intelligence comin' in. And-- and-- one of the high value al Qaeda operatives was Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the chief operating officer of al Qaeda... ordered the attack on 9/11. And they say, "He's got information." I said, "Find out what he knows." And so I said to our team, "Are the techniques legal?" He says, "Yes, they are." And I said, "Use 'em."


LAUER: Why is waterboarding legal, in your opinion?

BUSH: Because the lawyer said it was legal. He said it did not fall within the Anti-Torture Act. I'm not a lawyer, but you gotta trust the judgment of people around you and I do.


Gitmo medical personel coverup.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110426151037.htm

Findings and Constitutional and Conventions violations.
http://ccrjustice.org/files/Report_ReportOnTorture.pdf
 rpl55
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Posted: 1/14/2012 9:37:17 AM
Sniper308 said:


Seriously, I wished they'd have urinated on a Koran as well. Had the moment been right, it would have been hunky dory with me if they'd taken a serious dump on the bodies (and Koran) as well. Too bad there weren't some pigs handy; pig blood and pig guts on a dead raghead carcass. Works for me.


I see that you have no children - thank you. I would hate to think that the likes of you would have any influence on our young people. By the way, what's it like being 54 years old with the emotional maturity of a 5 year old?


mjyawn67 said:


Sure just go back and read the statements by the many known libs here. Not hard to find them....they are the ones bashing the country they enjoy freedom in while denigrating the very ones that fight for their freedom.


Pure bullshit. Not one American soldier has fought for American freedom since World War II, if then. Every conflict since then, without exception, has been fought for imperial power with no thought as to what is best for the American people. Gullible much?


matchlight said:


What evidence is there, if any, that the U.S. ever tortured or waterboarded anyone at Guantanamo? Spreading a slander against this country is a disservice to the people fighting to defend it.


I have seen this claim from you many times in many different forms, and have chosen to ignore it, mainly because nobody believes you anyway. But, just so you know, not only did (and does) America torture detainees, we have brutally tortured over 100 persons TO DEATH. Not a single one was tortured in defense of this country or its people. And not a single charge has been laid against the murderous American scum who committed the torture murders.

http://www.aclu.org/human-rights-national-security/us-operatives-killed-detainees-during-interrogations-afghanistan-and-


Earthpuppy said:


If the 9/11 incident WAS indeed carried out by those who allegedly indicated as per the official propaganda, even that was in retaliation for our mucking about in the lands of others.


Come on EP - you know damn well that 9/11 was a false flag - stop ****-footing around the obvious. It requires willful blindness (or incomprehensible stupidity) to believe the government's half-witted, and disproven, conspiracy theory.

Nevertheless, you should be careful posting such things (as should I). Whenever 9/11 comes up, the sheeple begin to bleat so loudly in their cowardice that it wakes up the mods who are then forced to close down the discussion.



RPL
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
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Posted: 1/14/2012 10:59:32 AM


And we're supposed to feel bad about pissing on their rotting bodies?

I wish I had seen the video of the guy opening their mouths and taking a great big dump in it. Or as my drill instructor used to say: "Let's pop their eyes out and skullfvck them to death.."


this, coming from a so-called self-professed 'christian' proves my point bout what utter B.S. it all is
the copy of the bible I read said "thou shalt not kill" -guess I missed the version that added all the codicils and riders .. " .."unless it is a person a a different race, ethnicity or nationality, different uniform, someone your commander orders you to kill, or whatever other reason you can dream up on the spur of the moment.., etc., etc."

what is that version called ? Bible 2.0? lolz


Having been fortunate enough and appreciative enough of the thousands and thousands of people that have and do fight in the our military for whatever reason so that I can sit my happy ass down in this chair and not have to know what it’s like. I can say that I agree with the rules


yes, assuming they fight for freedom as they have sometimes done.

how about when it is to jack another nation fro their assets (e.g. oil) -a street-mugging/theft/ripoff on a huge scale, or to gain strategic position or just to kill scads of brown people & promote Imperialism -on the largest scale since the Roman Empire?

does it make you feel warm and fuzzy that your people are killing mainly to promote the interests of Big Oil, and profits for arms manufacturers, etc. ?

All hail Halliburton ! "from the office towers of Halli-burt-on, to the factories of Lockheed and General Dynamics! we will fight for We fight for corporate prof-its
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for oil and mon-ey
And to keep the White House clean:
we will treat the rest of the world
as our own personal la-trine"

should think about changing the words to the Hymn?
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:18:29 AM

All hail Halliburton ! "from the office towers of Halli-burt-on, to the factories of Lockheed and General Dynamics!


This has nothing to do with the topic but... Something very important the left / liberal / socialist types never acknowledge...

Halliburton, Lockheed, General whatever can be fired. Try firing the government.

No one ever said that corporations are the best of human morality. However, a corporation can't arrest you. A corporation can be brought to justice.

Let the politicians become rich from being in office and you get corporations with undue influence.

Anyway, Free Tibet!

With the attention on the OP we will know what happens soon enough. The lawyers are circling now.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:39:21 AM
Haliburtons' agent in the Bush White House, Cheney was the prime architect of the reason these troops are still occupying Afghanistan. Look at where the money flowed since the oil wars started.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/chronology.html
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html
 Revilors
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:44:58 AM
http://www.geographictravels.com/2010/02/maps-of-insurgent-activity-in.html

That's a map showing insurgent activity in Afghanistan. There is no clear line. Get it?



The difference IMO...is that they should get kicked out,


So one post you say they should get kicked out now you are saying they should not, which one is it?


That would have been a typo. My bad.

It should have read....The difference IMO...is that they shouldn't get kicked out.


You really are clueless.


Not necessary to bash even when you are losing the argument.

I know what a line and a front are. You are not getting my point and how it relates to "harm's way". Historically...there was a clear "line". If you were near or forward of it...you were in "harm's way". If you were behind it (or away from it) you were safe. That is NOT the case over there. Get that? Certainly supply points and logistics commands are relatively safe. In and/or around operational bases and posts are not. Cities, villages and the countryside are all vulnerable to the the same dangers all over that country. There is no strolling down the streets shopping on your down time like in many other conflicts. The closest thing to not being on "alert" is inside the barriers of your post or base...and even then they are on your toes. This was the whole point. You don't get the opportunity to "chill" until you rotate home. I would imagine it's a terribly stressful place to be.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:56:39 AM

Haliburtons' agent in the Bush White House, Cheney was the prime architect of the reason these troops are still occupying Afghanistan. Look at where the money flowed since the oil wars started.



Thanks for making my point. Halliburton is not coming to take over your back yard now are they. What you posted was from prior to first half of 2000. It is now 2012. There may still be effects and that isn't ignored but I don't see a Halliburton stamp over the Whitehouse logo.

Any issues you now have with Afghanistan please direct to your commander and chief. The one that I still would prefer to have had direct military experience but doesn't and has not for some time. It's a whole new corrupt politicians and quasi corporations (soros) running the show. They will wear out their welcome as well. As long as the next person in charge fires all the Czars reverses a few really stupid concepts (obamacare) things will just keep moving sloppily and imperfectly forward as it should.

Back to your regularly scheduled pissing contest

(CBS News) The top officer in the Marines, Gen. James Amos, has named three-star Gen. Thomas Waldhauser to oversee the probe of the four Marines seen in a widely-circulated video apparently urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:57:27 AM

The fact that we CHOSE to fight "the war" we did in a relatively humanitarian way to preserve as many people and culture as possible so that the country could be salvaged for them resulted in many of our people being killed and and displayed in far more atrocious ways than what these guys did.


yes, so humanitarian. an even more humanitarian thing would have been not to invade at all ?perhaps which would have saved thousands of US lives & tens of thousands of Afghan lives? yes but the arms manufacturer need their profits & the oil companies access to reserves.

maybe attack the place where the 9/11 bombers were FROM- Saudi Arabia?

never have the stones to do that -too much US corp. interests there
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 1/14/2012 12:07:59 PM
Revilors, I'm losing the argument? That's really being delusional coming from someone that thought a front line was imaginary. lol

I'm not bashing anyone your were being clueless in regards to how an front line works. I never said you were clueless in generel.

Oh so now you know what a front line is after you told me it was imaginary. Good finally...

Um who said anyone was safe in a war zone?

Ok and no one said any of those things, you are talking about
 shyshy84
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Posted: 1/14/2012 12:52:03 PM
what the bible ment to say was thall shall not murder. the bible was all about some killing, theirs a lot of wars in the bible. not to mention it also says you should stone gays to death, that was punishment for sevral crims. god even told the jews to kill all the people when they were entering the promise land, they were to kill all the people and burn their crops. and what about moses on the battle feild holding his arms up so his side do more killing, moses was the first sniper.
 OutofControlMan
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Posted: 1/14/2012 12:55:46 PM

what the bible ment to say was thall shall not murder


oh, of course, what it MEANT to say.

nice when you can create your own interpretations

*I* believe it MEANT to say I should fuk a different woman every night and use dope & booze daily.

of course it did!
 shyshy84
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:00:48 PM
they drank whine daily. jessus first merical was to turn water into whine. noha got so drunk he ened up naked in the tent with one of his sons. and when one of his sons when to cover him up he said i curse you and all your childern.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:00:59 PM
OCM... maybe you should open your own thread about the American fundamentalist religious right and how that effects those of you in Ontario.

This thread has a different title. Look up for a reference.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:04:56 PM
shyshy

what bible are you talking about hen?

the old testament or the new one?

in the uk its the new testament we got and although i deserted
the church of scotland a long time ago i think the new testament
isnt as violent as your saying

no doubt someone can correct me though showing that the jesus gadgie
was akin to an obergruppenfuehrer ss.
 shyshy84
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:10:37 PM
they don't have the old testament in the uk? wired. you should read the old testament it's pretty good. every thing i said, excpet for the part about jessus is in the old testment. the old testment is about the jews going to the promise land wich already had peole liveing in it, so they had to kill them. and turning watet to whine was jessus first mircile, i find it said that a athest like me know's more about the bible then most people. but i was raised in church. ohh and the storie of creation is in the bible, adam and eve, and their first childern were kain and able, kain killed able. but that was ok, b.c got let him live, and he went to another city.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:15:01 PM
sorry shyshy i shouldf have put that better

you can read the old testament but its the NEW testament that
is taught in schools.

sorry my mistake
 matchlight
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Posted: 1/14/2012 1:15:43 PM
and have chosen to ignore it, mainly because nobody believes you anyway


My goodness, how very lofty that sounds, how far above the fray. But why so nasty and defensive, if you're sure of your facts? Let me suggest another reason why you didn't try to rebut what I said: Because what you're claiming is false.



But, just so you know, not only did (and does) America torture detainees, we have brutally tortured over 100 persons TO DEATH.


Where is your evidence for that? I'll tell you--just so you know. You don't have any, because it's a false slur against this country. And putting a falsehood in caps doesn't make it any more true. The fact people died or were killed while in U.S. custody does not mean, by itself, that any U.S. personnel violated any laws. Prisoners who riot, try to escape, or resist are liable to get killed.

And even if someone did act illegally, what evidence is there that any official policy approved of what he did? People may have been found liable in some of these deaths, but if the ACLU article noted it, I missed it. In any case, the poster I originally challenged had referred specifically to Guantanamo.


It requires willful blindness (or incomprehensible stupidity) to believe the government's half-witted, and disproven, conspiracy theory.


So you say. Someone could just as easily say it requires willful blindness or incomprehensible stupidity to believe your unhinged ravings. They are all heat, and no light.
 matchlight
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Posted: 1/14/2012 5:57:24 PM
That's why there persist, the Matchlight Lawyer Brigades . . . Keep pushing the LightMatches on consistency and watch them squirm, obfuscate, and generally do dazzling BS.


As usual, you show you're a lot better at making personal comments about me than at countering what I say and backing it up with facts. You need to hit below the belt because you don't have what it takes to compete straight up.
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 1/14/2012 7:10:43 PM
And even if someone did act illegally, what evidence is there that any official policy approved of what he did?


Then, the far right wingers here should stop defending, excusing, and justifying the illegal behaviour of criminals by saying that "they are just doing their job" and they are doing it to "protect the freedoms" that we enjoy.

There are posters in here saying that their instructors in military training have told them to act illegally. That sounds very much official to me. Someone up in the ranks should have enough character to assume responsibility for the actions of "their boys."
 joe average
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Posted: 1/14/2012 10:21:40 PM
To steel city and those of you who find this kind of action disgusting, how many of you have seen combat?

What is disgusting is watching the man beside you get his head ripped open by a round and have him fall on your boots while his brains leakout on your dog tag. Of course you have to wipe the blood and brains from your face to see this.

What is disgusting is the smell of bloated and burst bodies rotting in the sun for several days.

What is disgusting is the poor non-combatants who suffer at the hands of the waring factions.

What is disgusting..., I think you get the idea.

Those men lying on the ground being urinated on were dead. Any indignity offered them had already been done. Get over it. It's war. That is right, WAR. Young men at a tender age sent to do a job so people like you can sit at home, smug in your recliner and offer indignity at their actions.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then come and tell me what you think, if you have what it takes.

Regards,

Joe average, retired.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 1/14/2012 10:54:07 PM
Those men lying on the ground being urinated on were dead. Any indignity offered them had already been done. Get over it. It's war. That is right, WAR. Young men at a tender age sent to do a job so people like you can sit at home, smug in your recliner and offer indignity at their actions.

Walk a mile in their shoes and then come and tell me what you think, if you have what it takes


So pissing on a dead enemies body does what again? Does it help matters over there? No. Does it show that we are better than they are when we do things like this? No. Does this behavior help win over the hearts and minds of the Afghan people when they see acts like this? No. Does it just add more hate to Americans over there? Yes. Does it make a vulnerable situation over there even more vulnerable when the middle east sees stuff like this? Yes. Does this type of behavior contribute to even more attacks over there? Yes. Does this type of behavior motivate people in the region to join the terrorist over there? Yes.

Giving them a pass for their actions is completely inexcusable. What type of image does this portray to the men and women fighting over there to the rest of the world? A bad image. I don't hear you going after the military for disciplining them. So obv the military thinks that what they did was inexcusable, because it does nothing but make the military look bad that's why. So spare me the walk a mile in their shoes excuse to somehow justify that their actions were excusable.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 1/15/2012 12:36:26 AM
unless you have been to war , you have no grounds to comment on the state of minds of people who have . this is a drop in the ocean of piss and crap that happens in war , get over it FFS


Here we ago with another two wrongs make a right again. So acting like the enemy by making ourselves look no better then them justifies what again? You think everyone that has gone to war does this type of behavior? Even as disgusting as Bin Laden was, the U.S. Military gave him a proper burial out to sea. Which showed the upmost discipline and displayed to the entire world that we uphold our military to a high standard and because of that we are better then the enemies that we face.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:43:14 AM
Steelcity nails it..

So pissing on a dead enemies body does what again? Does it help matters over there? No. Does it show that we are better than they are when we do things like this? No. Does this behavior help win over the hearts and minds of the Afghan people when they see acts like this? No. Does it just add more hate to Americans over there? Yes. Does it make a vulnerable situation over there even more vulnerable when the middle east sees stuff like this? Yes. Does this type of behavior contribute to even more attacks over there? Yes. Does this type of behavior motivate people in the region to join the terrorist over there? Yes.


Whenever the bigots within the ranks of our armed forces pull off stunts like this, they are endangering everyone, themselves included. The torture photos, Blackwater sport shooting, etc. all serve to fan the flames of insurgency against our occupations.

The only reason we are over there is as****Cheney noted, "The good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratic regimes friendly to the United States". The Taliban and Afghans were our good buddies and business partners till the pipeline deal fell apart. As demigod Ronnie Reagan also noted of the Taliban, "These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's founding fathers".
And now we must piss on them. We armed them against the last, among many empires, to agains successfully repel occupiers, and now think that magically they will embrace our empire. Talk about deluded. And just as deluded is the thinking that killing and pissing for peace is going to work in this situation.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:09:00 AM
did you read what i wrote ?


I read what you wrote and this is what you wrote.


this is a drop in the ocean of piss and crap that happens in war , get over it FFS


Again how does two wrongs make a right...


All this MORAL BULLSHIT is just left wing crap


Left wing crap? First of all i'm an moderate republican. Second of all, how about holding yourself to a higher standard then your enemies? There is a reason why the U.S. military is punishing these men for what they did. How do you honestly think this makes the U.S. military look? Bad. Did you ever stop and think that because of their actions that they just put more U.S. men and women that are fighting over there even at more risk now? How is that going to look when a newly recruited Taliban fighter kills one of our service men and his main motivation to join was after seeing this video that pushed him over the edge? Guess we tend to forget about the consequences of others actions and how it can effect other peoples lives..


we are not there to be holier than thou or on some moral crusade


So displaying undisciplinary behavior does what again? Nothing. there are reasons why the U.S. military has rank and order. One, it's to follow orders. Two, it's to keep a cohesive unit intact and in control. Three, to stay focused on the tasks at had. Four, to not break under pressure. Five to show respect. These men broke orders and for that these men will get punished by the U.S. military for their actions, those are not my rules those are the U.S. militaries rules.

Apparently you aren't getting the fact that it's not about going over there on some holier then thou mission, it's about going over there and doing your job. Is pissing on a dead terrorist apart of their objective? No. You go out and do your objective in which your superiors asign you to do, period.



your SAFE country , made safe by generations of lads who have occasionally made a few bad choices like pissing on a dead body , but who are ALSO willing to pay the ultimate price for your freedom suck it up and move on to your next criticism .


Armchair? I was in the Army reserves. How many years where you in the military or even in the military for that matter? So don't lecture me about military service. So paying the ultimate price of freedom consist on pissing on your dead enemy? That doesn't display anything but arrogant, undisciplinary and uncontrolable behavior. All that will do in return is just endanger more of our troops lives over there and give our military a bad name in an already vulnerable situation, which will promote even more violence towards our troops.
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