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 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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I'm sorry, but every time I hear some variation on "We the People" allowed this or that, or that "we get the government we deserve," or some other such self-righteous garbage, it really annoys me.

I think it's a cop out, for the most part. Blaming the victims. Telling those of us that we ARE upset about the wrong direction we are going, either that it's entirely up to us to fix it (and not the person who spits out this stuff), or that we might as well accept it, because it's what we really "wanted (otherwise it wouldn't be the way things are!)." Circular reasoning stuff.

In most democracies, things go wrong incrementally. That's what's been happening to us. We didn't decide one day long ago, that we wanted to arrange for our news media to be guided entirely by commercial concerns, that came about gradually over a very long time. We didn't hold a vote one day, to hand the reigns of power over to a rich elite, because we thought that they SHOULD be in charge, that happened as a result of a lot of efforts back and forth, as we all struggled to handle each crisis and lull that came upon us.
We didn't take a vote on the procedures that are currently clamping us by the back of the neck and forcing us into poverty and callousness towards the poor, they were snuck in one by one, as stop-gaps, or "simple system tweaks".

Now the people who like this stuff the way it is, want the rest of us to accept it, on the grounds that they've already made it expensive to try to go back. It's like someone stealing your house a brick at a time, one day announcing that you should just become their unpaid servant, since most of your house has now been turned into their garage, because it will cost you too much to have it all moved back.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 28
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:50:34 PM

Now does that sound like the forefathers planed to have any form of socialism in the US government?

Sounds to me they expected for each person to pay their own way and for the government to be debt free.

We have strayed from the blueprint and need to return to the actual vision the forefathers laid out so carefully.

Let me leave you with this quote from Ben Franklin


the "FF" planned that it was OK, fine & natural for rich white men to own poorer black people.. and only rich white males could vote.

that is OK with you too, since the "god-like" FF said so?

let's bring back slavery, right? won't affect you as a white person too badly.

might help balance the budget -force people to work for nothing at gunpoint, or under threat of being shot, etc. be more competitive world-wide with slave-made goods & services
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
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Posted: 1/31/2012 4:51:23 PM

BTW that was a world wide problem during that period NOT just a US problem.


So slavery was considered a problem to the Brits,Americans,French,etc?Slavery and colonialism are methods to make money....
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 1/31/2012 7:07:16 PM
mjyawn67 says:
"As you can read the presidents power to directly effect the budget was taken away in 1974.

However Obozo has managed to not have a budget since he entered office through his cronies in the senate.

BTW out of the 16 trillion that is 160 thousand billion......it took over 230 years to acquire the first 10 trillion the last 6.5 trillion was added since Obozo took office. "

First of all, the President has a GREAT DEAL to do with the budget. He SIGNS it, and if he doesn't Congress has to make changes amicable to the Chief Executive.

Secondly, When Ronald Reagen assumed office we had a debt of about a trillion bucks, no? He more than tripled it before he was done, Bush 43 doubled it to more than 10 times what it was under Carter, no? President Obama inherits the worst financial crisis in any American's lifetime that isn't an octogenarian or better and you blame him for EVERYTHING? That's IMO asinine to put it incredibly kindly. FDR and those Congresses injected the equivalent of 10 trillion bucks into an economy of 100 million people and you blame Obama for putting in relative pennies into an economy of 300 million people? Most reputable economists say the problem with the stimulus was that it wasn't enough so I have to ask mjyawn are you kidding? I bet you have a problem with National Healthcare but didn't bat an eye when Bush 43 got an entirely UNFUNDED 700 billion dollar expansion of medicare/medicaid that any sane person knows was not a gift to the citizenry but rather to the pharmeceutical lobby. Where were you when Bush 43 raised the debt cieling 14 times? Having****ails with Mitch McConnel? Where was the Tea Party before we had our first President of less than Northern European complexion? You people are rich, and I'm not talking wealth here.

Orrin Hatch says he doesn't want to mess with 1/6 of our economy [healthcare.} Hate to break it to you folks but if 17 cents of every dollar has to go to healthcare THAT's THE PROBLEM. We could add 5 cents a gallon tax to gasoline and eliminate the need for auto insurance, and it would be FAIR as it is tied to usage, but people would loose their jobs. Waaaahhhhhhhhh.

Yes, entitlements have to be either funded or cut. The greatest periods of economic expansion in this country, under Eisenhower and Clinton, had PROGRESSIVE TAX RATES. If those tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans hadn't passed 11 years ago we'd be AT LEAST 4 trillion less in debt by most qualified estimates.It wasn't until Ronald Reagen shifted much of the Tax burden from wealthier to poorer Americans that we bagan to have the most serious problems, and Bush 41 and 43 compunded the debt more in "good" economies than Obama has in this "bad" one. I didn't like all of the stimulus either, but given most of it has been repaid where is the real beef? You think its OK for Romney to pay 14% on 20 million while an average Joe making 35k has to pay 26%?

This country rose from some dark ashes in the latest 30s, we can do it in the 21st century too if we just ween ourselves from divisive, deceitful rhetoric like some of the tripe here and:

"Think! It's very Patriotic."
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 31
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Posted: 1/31/2012 8:55:10 PM

I'll never understand how poor people think rich people are there to help them! LOL!


Unfortunately, "rich pple" (as you call them) are a necessary 'evil' in the US; as I've personally never seen a "poor" person ever provide another 'poor' person a job (the only exception might be a blow-job).


Until we take down the lobbyists and force them by law


Who is "we"?This will never happen (unless perhaps by some wide-spread form of armed struggle). The lobbyists are to politicians what a drug dealer is to a junkie! lobbyists know that the politicians can be bought off; the question is at what price. Politicians make laws, so control of politicians means controlling what laws are enacted.
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
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Posted: 2/1/2012 9:18:38 AM
The USA, is doomed as a super power
there is no way that it can ever get out of debt
militarily no one is afraid of her anymore, over the last 60 years they have only won one war, Granada
the USSR, did not fall over night,It started with the corruption under Brezniev
it rotted from the inside
just as the USA is
as to the op, I do agree with most of what he said, it is true for white middle class citizens, but the poor, the blacks, hispanics just not see it his way!!!
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 2/1/2012 9:20:39 AM
Hmmm......

I certainly grumble about everything I think is wrong about the country as much as anyone, and I agree that decades from now we'll be quite different than we are now, but I'm enough of an optimist to think we just might be BETTER fifty years or so from now.

I've just sifted through three pages of posts by people who obviously care very much talking about the problem being not enough people who care.

We've got quite the mess to work ourselves through, and right now it's hard to see the bright light at the end of the tunnel. But the fact that the tea party and occupy folks have been able to get so much support is a sign to me of a surge in public engagement that will be the foundation for much needed change.

And in the midst of it all I'm old enough to be able to look back a half century and note all the progress we HAVE made since then. We've got a black President with a female Secretary of State. That would have been unfathomable when I was born. Automobiles last three times as long as they used to, are far safer, and now, finally, are routinely getting far better fuel economy.

As much as environmental concerns are every bit as pressing, overall our water and air are cleaner. Our appliances use far less energy to do so much more. We have the ability to have this discussion on an internet few could have imagined when I was born.

Income disparity, ballooning debt, depletion of resources, extremism of all sorts, aging of baby boomers, and perhaps most of all our deep political divide are among the many serious challenges we face, and it's hard right now to see how we can emerge better on the other side.

But you know, the same pessimism could have been expressed in the midst of our Civil War, Depression, or in my lifetime during the seventies when watergate, gas shortages, Viet Nam and the Cold War justified every bit as much doom and gloom as is expressed today. Today we are outraged when protesters are pepper sprayed. In my youth they were shot. Police stations were bombed. Assassinations seemed common.

How many of us today feel like at any moment a nuclear missile may drop on our heads? That our homes may be over run by an army from within our own country battling another army from our own country?

We've got some huge problems to address. Somehow we've got to create a new economic system that isn't dependent on continual growth on a finite planet. As Edward Abbey noted, growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. But since he said that we've developed cures for many cancers. Time and time again we've demonstrated a determination to claw our way to a better future. When it gets the darkest our stars emerge.

I don't pretend to know what that better future will consist of. But in the midst of all our collective and personal troubles I do see glimmers of hope, and know many, many people who are truly good and honorable folk.

A rational case can be made for either a bright or dismal future. Personally, I'd rather be hopeful than embrace the inevitability of collapse. I could well be wrong, but I'd rather stay engaged doing what little I can to help create that better future than resigned to the depressing alternative.

Change will happen. The future will happen. I look forward to it.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 34
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Posted: 2/1/2012 2:16:51 PM
Yeah, there's plenty of capacity to deal with the deficit and debt. You just need to have realistic tax rates. Unfortunately all the talk is dominated by lowering taxes not raising them.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 35
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Posted: 2/1/2012 2:27:19 PM
people keep on saying the founding fathers were nearly Deities, uniquely visionary and enlightened.. but then they OK'd slaves because there were slaves all over the world .

so that means they were not especially visionary? or less so, since Britain and many other countries (France, Holland, etc.) outlawed the African slave trade many years before the USA did?

fun with legalistic terms...

say there is "justice and liberty for all (people) .. then just define "people" to mean WHITE , land-owning males, solve your problems

liberty need not apply to black men, nor any women, they are not people by our definition.

the 'founding fathers' were clearly not ahead of their times, nor as visionary or far-sighted as many would like to spout off about -- they were rich white men who wanted to protect their interests and get richer -big deal -so 'humanitarian' of them. ?

but fairy tales & fantasies about being better/superior always sell well to the masses -even if it requires historical revisionism to obscure and or hide the facts--ask Disney
 SweetLilGTP
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Posted: 2/1/2012 3:46:54 PM

it's my belief that in 200 or 300 years they will be teaching about the decline and fall of the United States


That's the only part I disagree with.

I suspect that this will be a course of study within the next 10 years......at most.

 matchlight
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Posted: 2/1/2012 3:51:45 PM
the 'founding fathers' were clearly not ahead of their times, nor as visionary or far-sighted as many would like to spout off about -- they were rich white men who wanted to protect their interests and get richer -big deal -so 'humanitarian' of them. ?


I think you are the one spouting off. And I doubt your opinion about the men who founded this country is an informed one. But I can easily understand why you might envy and resent the U.S.


I suspect that this will be a course of study within the next 10 years......at most.


That depends on whether we're able to send this sad excuse for a president and his broad-beamed wife on a permanent vacation, come January 20.
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/1/2012 6:39:24 PM

It appears you were unable to comprehend what I wrote.


My friend Paul wasn't the only one--me too. Probably listening to Rush and Fox News and Sarah Palin 24/7 has dulled my comprehender. I can't even comprehend why creating jobs is such a big deal, by itself. Somewhere I got distracted by the idea that the important thing was to create *wealth,* and that in turn, that would create more and better paying jobs. Doh! Silly me! Guess I need all this economic stuff explained in simpler terms. Geez, if only I could be smart and sophisticated, like liberals are!
 statemachine500
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Posted: 2/1/2012 6:55:10 PM

They are unaware, as they seek to pressure wages and social supports downward, that if they succeed in doing so, their customer base will all but disappear.


Looking at Romney's quotes it appears the elite will simply replace the customer base with new customers.New consumers waiting to be consumed.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 2/1/2012 7:13:13 PM

That depends on whether we're able to send this sad excuse for a president and his broad-beamed wife on a permanent vacation, come January 20.


How astute of you to note that the true indicator of an administration's worth is the hip measurement of the first lady.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 41
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Posted: 2/1/2012 9:29:50 PM
@Fishorcute


What an ignorant thing to say that poor people don’t create jobs and that the rich are keeping our economy going! Who the heck do these people think shops at the Wal-Mart’s of the world? They buy gas, food, and clothing!


^ this is about as inane as it can get (i'm sorry to say!); Just who do you think these shoppers get their money from and who employes them? Do you think they all run their own privately established businesses? Most of these shoppers work minumum wage (or close to it)for large conglomerates themselves. And if it wasn't for large and medium sized businesses (thriving in mid to large size cities) the level of unemployement would be astounding as fewer and fewer independant business are getting start up loans these days!


for those who think the rich are creating jobs please give examples!


I'll give you a few since the list is exhaustibly long! Wal-mart; Kmart-Sears; and many such like department stores & chains that are peppered all over the malls in the US. In a typical town, most pple go shopping at the mall, and that is where the centerpiece of commerce is in most cases; yes there are peripherals such as auto-repair shops; restaurants; plumbers, landscapers but a whole slew of these so-called "mom & pop joints" avidly employ illegal migrants for near slave wages. In case you haven't noticed; there is just a paucity of manufacturing plants left in the US (if you take away big manufacturing such as cars; then there are even fewer!). Gone are the plants (present in nearly every mid to large sized town) that are used to be privately run by local enterprise that made basic things like rope; flashlights; hammers, shoes, etc. Even small businesses (< 500 employees) have been co-opted by big-businesses in the form of franchises (chains). If you don't believe it, just take a peak on what is at your local mall!


I love my Country! America is emulated all over the world!


Yah, keep repeating this ^ over and over. My parrot would be very proud of you!

@Matchlight


That depends on whether we're able to send this sad excuse for a president and his broad-beamed wife on a permanent vacation, come January 20.


Yah, and Mitt(or Newt) will make everything alright in a jiffy...just like Gwb did! Everytime he opened his mouth the stock market would drop by 50 pts.

@Sports

stop buying from or banking with these lobbyists and supporting our local and small businesses.


what small businesses are you talking about? The ones that are franchise based and are run by millionaires, or the ones that hire illegal immigrants and cheat on their taxes!


Plus this is also why we should be thankful for Occupy Wall Street as they have been fighting tooth and nail to spread the message of ending lobbyism in politics (yes I know some have started to do more than just occupy but you can't tell me we didn't see that coming).


OWS could have been a powerful political force if they had kept their eyes on the prize and stayed on course; but they capitulated and debased themselves (much like the Hippies of yore!) by partaking in foolishness; which resulted in the thinning out of a myriad of participants! Way to go boyz, you done it again!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 42
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:01:02 AM

We are ultimately teaching an entire generation of young adult Americans that its ok to be in debt through government example.

No, they are being taught that there are two version of the truth.

Fox's version and reality.


Under Obama, government spending has declined at the steepest rate since the 1970s.

Barack Obama, Austerity President
The Atlantic Home
Thursday, February 2, 2012
By Derek Thompson

Imagine an alternate reality where the first term of President Barack Obama coincided with one of the greatest periods of government austerity in recent memory. Imagine total government spending under his watch had the steepest annual decline in three decades. Imagine total government employees fell by the fastest rate in more than 60 years. Imagine that in his last two years, federal spending and federal employment grew by the slowest annual rate since the 1950s.
Now open your eyes. Welcome to Austerity USA. Total government employment -- that's federal, state, and local -- has indeed fallen by the sharpest annual rate since the 1940s. It's now at 2006 levels and declining.

Total government spending has fallen by the sharpest rate since the 1970s. It is now at 2008 levels and declining.

Meanwhile in Washington, federal spending (which has grown every year since then 1960s) is increasing at its slowest pace in half a century, and federal employment is in true decline. Eighteen months removed from the start of the Census, it's shrinking at its fastest rate since the mid-1950s.

Obama's tenure has coincided with a recession that shrunk total government in two ways. First, the economics of the Great Recession devastated state and local government tax revenue, requiring rounds of cuts that resulted in decreased overall government spending and employment. Second, the politics of the Great Recession destroyed the case for stimulus in the aftermath of the Recovery Act, and Washington's attempts to fill the revenue holes in total government were blocked when we voted scores of fiscal conservatives into Congress in 2010. The upshot is that in the last 12 months, President Obama has presided over one of the most remarkable periods of total government austerity in the last 50 years.

Some of this austerity was given to us. Some of this austerity we chose.

As the Recovery Act, which was passed partly to offset state and local cuts, wound down, state and local government demand fell "through the floor," said Adam Hersh, an economist with the Center for American Progress.

"The real collapse of spending has been at the level of state and local public services and investments," Hersh said. "Even as the economy grew 4.2% since the start of the Obama administration, state and local spending contracted 5.2%." Here's the graph he shared with The Atlantic. The plunging green line tracks change in nondefense state and local spending since Obama took office.

What's the matter with shrinking government? Nothing at all, you might say. State and local governments are expensive and inefficient, and those workers might be put to better use making things rather than regulating things. Fair enough. But with interest rates now at historical lows, it's a little surprising that we're choosing this moment to not borrow more money from eager investors to spare total government from its own sharp knives and make downpayments on things we know we need, like roads and broadband. President Obama isn't fully responsible for this era of premature and self-inflicted austerity. He's the president of the United States, not the states, themselves. But, for better or worse, it's his record now. Who would have guessed?

Link to article with graphs:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/barack-obama-austerity-president/252319/
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 2/2/2012 10:10:05 AM

Population growth plays a huge part. Seem's where I live immigrants stick together and run our beautiful country into the ground, and I suspect the same happen's in America.

...and that is the giant irony in the whole thing.

Countries like AUS and the USA where founded by immigrants and if they want to have social services going forward they better start embracing them.

If you want your immigration problem to go away, create open avenues for those who do work a chance to become a tax paying citizens and not ways to put them in jail and blame them for all of the problems that corporations and governments have created themselves.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 44
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Posted: 2/2/2012 12:57:03 PM

Yo, dude......... here is a bit of information that you seem to have missed........ We are living in the year 2012, not 1776.......... Times really have changed, as much you wish not to acknowlede it..................

The only historical revisionism going on is by YOU.<


110% aware of that, brah (following your hip-dude conventions) -my point, here I'll type very s-l-o-w-l-y for you, is why then do people relentlessly refer to the "founding fathers" as if they weer at least, demi-gods, if not actual Gods on Olympus, so far advanced compared to mere humans, so enlightened, far-sighted, and wise, evolved light-years beyond mere mortals ??

you'd almost think they had the same status as recently departed "Dear Leader" Kim
Jong-il of DPRK (North Korea) ;) "god on earth" perfect earthly form -he never even defecated or urinated once in his whole life, don't you know?

it is taken as a truism that if any FF ever said it it "MUST" be the golden rule to last at least 10,000 years (or more).

As if it cannot be in any way questioned, as if "god" herself said it.

my p-o-i-n-t , you see, is that it appears they were not necessarily so enlightened --slavery was A-OK with them - mostly because it helped enrich them and line their own pockets even further

unless you actually think slavery was OK too, not really a big problem, "oh, sorry about enslaving a few generations in chains,a wee oversight there, whoopsie" . maybe you even think it should still be around (hard to admit publicly, though, quite un-PC)

comprende ?

"revisionism" refers to looking at history & pretending it was different than it really was, often to make people today feel better about their ancestors _- no they never had slaves, raped. killed natives, etc. " it doesn't mean saying that today is the same as 230 years ago, but it does mean acknowledging ALL evidence about 230 years ago, not just the parts you want to hear or that make you feel warm & fuzzy inside
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:08:33 PM
-slavery was A-OK with them - mostly because it helped enrich them and line their own pockets even further


You seem to know a good deal about U.S. history. If so, why do you speak in such generalities? You should be able to identify these founders you're talking about who were "A-OK with" slavery.

And what evidence is there that these men, whoever they were, favored slavery out of personal self-interest? If so, they didn't calculate very well. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence ended up in financial ruin.


but it does mean acknowledging ALL evidence about 230 years ago, not just the parts you want to hear or that make you feel warm & fuzzy inside


You would do well to follow your own advice. I suspect you know very little about this subject, but are hoping that if you make your tone condescending and snotty enough, no one will notice.

I can easily understand why someone like you would be so envious and resentful of my country.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Msg: 46
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:10:53 PM

...why then do people relentlessly refer to the "founding fathers" as if they weer at least, demi-gods, if not actual Gods on Olympus, so far advanced compared to mere humans, so enlightened, far-sighted, and wise, evolved light-years beyond mere mortals ??

Because they lack the ability to see beyond what they believe.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 47
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:20:00 PM
Examples.......well as I have shown above Wal-Mart is just one mega company that employs hundreds of thousands across America.


Keeping them most of them perilously close, or blatantly under the poverty line.

How kind of them.

We are ultimately teaching an entire generation of young adult Americans that its ok to be in debt through government example.


Hell; you cannot do much in North America UNLESS you carry debt (or have some history of debt)

That's bad.

I never heard of anyone having a good credit score because our government let them!


ever heard of someone having a good credit score because they have never bummed money off of others? (taken debt?)

 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 48
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:23:27 PM
" people like me" ? hm, doubt you know much about me. "resentful & envious" of USA?

resentful, maybe. I think that few people really like bullies, as you may know. likely you will realize that fully (if still alive) when the 2nd, 3rd and 4th and so on generations of people your country has blown away in so many places overseas, in order to have access to cheap oil, seek retaliation.
 statemachine500
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:09:54 PM

And what evidence is there that these men, whoever they were, favored slavery out of personal self-interest? If so, they didn't calculate very well. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence ended up in financial ruin.


So these men ended up in financial ruin because of their slaves?Sounds a lot like some posters here blaming the accumulated problems caused by old white men on a "black man" eh?
 statemachine500
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:41:12 PM

#98- Being in deep debt IS, when it causes people to file for bankruptcy. I personally do not have any debt beside daily/yearly living expenses. At my age I am financially responsible which I cant say about many of my friends, family members, or co-workers. Take a look around in your own neighborhood and what do you see? Just because we have credit doesnt mean we have to extend ourselves to the point where we have huge amounts of debt and interest to repay. Most families I know are a few paychecks away from financial ruin. Why? They have been allowed to over extend themselves and decided to do so because it was easy.


And real estate is the main culprit.Allowing people to speculate on homes that are not their primary residence is a problem.If you added up all the money that people spend to service the debt on their over valued homes they could actually afford to spend money on AMERICAN MADE GOODS and most of your unemployment problems would be solved.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 51
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Posted: 2/3/2012 10:17:05 AM

I talked to someone about improving my credit - getting it tip top and they actually told me to take out credit




Wanna be seen as less of a bum; be a bum

^^That could be part of the overall problem.^^


Being out of debt makes you look shady on your credit report




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