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 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 351
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^^^But if she gets pregnant and decides to keep it regardless, and it does happen in the real world, then he has to be responsible for the care(having some of his paycheck if not half of it taken away) for something He May Not Want! So in that case he should have just as much say as the woman he got pregnant when it comes to abortion. In other words. Neither men nor women should be able to have a right that bennefits one in the situation, while punishing the other. Neither should be able to trump each other. So in other words, if he wants her to abort her child then she should be required by law to do so, and she wants to abort the child she should have that right. That way BOTH genders have a Right to abortiontion. In order for this to be fair then both should have completely equal rights and planned parenthood should be their to support each gender's wishes. IF not, then it is an unequal organziation and should be shut down. If a woman has the right to choose, than a man should have the righ to choose. I can't support something that gives a right to one person, while taking a right away from another person. IF a woman has a right to an abortion without her partner's consent, then a man should have the same right without her consent. In that case, both have the same right, and the same say so in this matter. Planned Parenthood should be their to make sure both genders have a complete equal say.



You might be surprised to know, that on my Mommy & Baby website i visit, as well as many in the pro-choice activist group i belong to, many women, mostly younger ones, agree with this premise.

I am in the minority (and we have had some good debates on the matter)........I see it the same way the government does, if that child ever needs financial assistance, who is going to offset those costs? if the Mother needs help, the father should be looked to help before going to the klast resort of getting on public aid. I see it as if you walk away from a LIVE, born child, you are shoving youtr kid onto the taxpayers. (Oh, & i have no problem with government aiding needing families. But i think it should be a resource for people who really need it for emergent situations, not just because someone didnt want to take care of their kid)

Anyways, some of your post makes no sense. How would you force a woman to get an abortion? How would you force one to give birth?

it all boils down to biology. Ya know, i dont think it is "fair and equal" that a man can not go through childbirth on my behalf. I almost died of blood loss a week after giving birth from an issue that arose with the placenta duting childbirth. I assure you, that while i was laying in the hospital, afraid of losing mylife & leaving my kids & Husband behind, having my uterus scraped, & a blood tranfusion, that i was crying a river over how unfair it is for men not to be able to get pregnant & have post-conception choices.

Women have more choices, because life starts in their bodies. If a man can began to gestate & give birh? I will be more than happy to give him the post-conception choices.

Men do have a choice, it just occurs at a different point in time. Most educated, intelligent men know this, & act accordingly, & protect themselves.

And why on earth would you want PP shut down because they dont do "male abortions"?????? You realize they provide a plethora of health services to men who are un-insured or under-insured, from physicals to free condoms to vasectomies to cancer screenings?

And if "male abortion" become legal, which it wont, because the government wants to keep as manypeople off public aid as possible, it would be a legal matter, not a medical matter like womens abortion, so why would PP have anything to do with it?
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 352
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Posted: 3/19/2012 3:57:40 PM
100% of pregnancies occur because of male sperms.
0% of men have ever died from childbirth, suffered post partem depression, ovarian cysts, heavy menstral flows that left them anemic, or suffered from debilitating cramps and other complications of having a host organ for their sperm.

Women have not fought on a national scale to fight off men's availability of Viagra.
They have not, but for a few retaliatory satire ammendments, fought to force men to have colonoscopies to determine where their heads are, or urethra probes to be photographed and shown to men about their past gonnorhea bouts.

Nowt to add insult to egregious injuries toward women, it appears the insurance companies unfairly charge women more for the same basic coverage.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/19/women-charged-1-billion-more-than-men-for-health-care-report/

Government so small it fits into womens' vaginas....Or so big it needs room to expand in womens' vaginas. If women were in the 83% dominant position in the Senate, and THEY produced dozens and hundreds of laws a year to take away guys rights, there would be the exact same reaction to the gender way we see today among women disgusted by these limpd*cks in congress on the far right.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 353
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/19/2012 5:25:16 PM
The War on Women


Republicans in the House of Representatives are mounting an assault on women’s health and freedom that would deny millions of women access to affordable contraception and life-saving cancer screenings and cut nutritional support for millions of newborn babies in struggling families. And this is just the beginning.

The budget bill pushed through the House last Saturday included the defunding of Planned Parenthood and myriad other cuts detrimental to women. It’s not likely to pass unchanged, but the urge to compromise may take a toll on these programs. And once the current skirmishing is over, House Republicans are likely to use any legislative vehicle at hand to continue the attack.

The egregious cuts in the House resolution include the elimination of support for Title X, the federal family planning program for low-income women that provides birth control, breast and cervical cancer screenings, and testing for H.I.V. and other sexually transmitted diseases. In the absence of Title X’s preventive care, some women would die. The Guttmacher Institute, a leading authority on reproductive health, says a rise in unintended pregnancies would result in some 400,000 more abortions a year.

An amendment offered by Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, would bar any financing of Planned Parenthood. A recent sting operation by an anti-abortion group uncovered an errant employee, who was promptly fired. That hardly warrants taking aim at an irreplaceable network of clinics, which uses no federal dollars in providing needed abortion care. It serves one in five American women at some point in her lifetime.

The House resolution would slash support for international family planning and reproductive health care. And it would reimpose the odious global “gag” rule, which forbids giving federal money to any group that even talks about abortions. That rule badly hampered family planning groups working abroad to prevent infant and maternal deaths before President Obama lifted it.

(Mr. Obama has tried to act responsibly. He has rescinded President George W. Bush’s wildly overreaching decision to grant new protections to health providers who not only will not perform abortions, but also will not offer emergency contraception to rape victims or fill routine prescriptions for contraceptives.)

In negotiations over the health care bill last year, Democrats agreed to a scheme intended to stop insurance companies from offering plans that cover abortions. Two bills in the Republican House would go even further in denying coverage to the 30 percent or so of women who have an abortion during child-bearing years.

One of the bills, offered by Representative Joe Pitts of Pennsylvania, has a provision that would allow hospitals receiving federal funds to refuse to terminate a pregnancy even when necessary to save a woman’s life.

Beyond the familiar terrain of abortion or even contraception, House Republicans would inflict harm on low-income women trying to have children or who are already mothers.

Their continuing resolution would cut by 10 percent the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, better known as WIC, which serves 9.6 million low-income women, new mothers, and infants each month, and has been linked in studies to higher birth weight and lower infant mortality.

The G.O.P. bill also slices $50 million from the block grant supporting programs providing prenatal health care to 2.5 million low-income women and health care to 31 million children annually. President Obama’s budget plan for next year calls for a much more modest cut.


These are treacherous times for women’s reproductive rights and access to essential health care. House Republicans mistakenly believe they have a mandate to drastically scale back both even as abortion warfare is accelerating in the states. To stop them, President Obama’s firm leadership will be crucial. So will the rising voices of alarmed Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/opinion/26sat1.html?pagewanted=print
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 354
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 4:33:24 AM
Ok so the thread is about PP..so After looking at their self reported utilization charts it appears that abortion and abortion related services make up closer to 30+% of their services...when people go in for abortions they receive multiple services and tests these are all reported separately...

Would you all support PP if they quit doing abortions?

Cracks me up when you guys post such obviously biased articles to support your positions..
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 355
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 5:30:00 AM
Funny, the more biased posts get against the republicans, means the more likely that they will get my my support. However I did find that msg posts 417 and 418 to be 2 of best posts in my opinion that I have read so far. I would like to see it become illegal for a woman to use her partner's sperm against him to trap him for the next 18 years if he decides he does not want to have offspring or can not afford to take care of His and Her offspring. No one should be forced to do anything in this situation. As far as planned parrenthood being defunded, I have no problem with that because reproductive ed is being taught in highschool, despite what the media tells you, and yes abstaining may be taught, but at the same time protective methods are being taught. I rember being told not to do it back in school, but also being shown the methods of birth control just in case. Has planned parenthood done some good, sure it has, has it done some bad, sure it has. Is it an unnecessary organization, yes it is. Because reproduction is taught in schools, and parents should be responsible for teach their family about the birds and the bees. Not the government.

 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 356
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 6:33:11 AM

I would like to see it become illegal for a woman to use her partner's sperm against him to trap him for the next 18 years if he decides he does not want to have offspring or can not afford to take care of His and Her offspring.


So silly,
All a man has to do to protect himself
Is wrap his willy
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 357
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 6:57:19 AM
^^^^(Msg 422)That was an awesome post, and I must agree with that one! LOL!
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 358
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 9:23:37 AM
Justchecking, yes some schools that teach proper sex ed, but not all kids will get a proper education on sex & reproduction. Kids in private religious schools, kids whose parents refuse the child to recieve sex ed (it is legal for a parent to not give consent to their child being taught sex ed & birth control), schools in poorer areas may not have sex ed programs, then theres the kids who may not even be paying attention in class,& then people who will learn but still be foolish anyways.

I knew about reproduction and condoms since the 4th grade. But I went into adulthood thinking that you only had to take the pill when you had sex, not as a daily regimen.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 359
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 9:28:38 AM
MEN, please please please remember this......if you are ever in a position where you are not adequately insured, & are in need of a prostate or testicular cancer screening, or experience ED, or male infertility, or need STD testing or treatment, or want a low cost vasectomy, or heck, ya even want to get your groove on with some fine lady & are tight on cash & need free condoms, who will have YOUR back???!!!!!!!!!! PLANNED PARENTHOOD JUST MIGHT.

And i as a WOMAN, 100% support these services for men. Because I love y'all.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 360
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 9:37:03 AM
"MEN, please please please remember this......if you are ever in a position where you are not adequately insured, & are in need of a prostate or testicular cancer screening, or experience ED, or need STD testing or treatment, or want a low cost vasectomy, or heck, ya even want to get your groove on with some fine lady & are tight on cash & need free condoms, who will have YOUR back???!!!!!!!!!! PLANNED PARENTHOOD JUST MIGHT."


^^^I have never met a woman who would date a guy who could not afford his own method of birth control. That is if one is seeking "a fine lady." If one is tight on cash, than his woman can pay for the birth control in that case. If you can't afford birth control then you should not be participating in activities that allow one to become a parent. With that being said, Women please remember this, It is 2012 not the 1950's or 1960's and it is time for you to pay your fair share so us real men can go golfing and fishing, and stay home to watch the game, and if you are lucky the bathrooms will be cleaned and supper will be started when you get home from work and earning the right for me to take everything you have, if we get divorced.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 361
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Posted: 3/20/2012 10:58:24 AM
PLANNED PARENTHOOD JUST MIGHT.


Good for PP. I haven't heard anyone question its right to exist, any more than they've questioned the right of the Red Cross or the Salvation Army or Alcoholics Anonymous to exist. I thought the question was whether there's any authority for the federal government to give money to PP, or whether a state has any obligation to give it money. Lots of organizations rely on nothing but private donations.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 362
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 12:42:05 PM

^I have never met a woman who would date a guy who could not afford his own method of birth control.


College students? Someone between jobs? Someone struggling just to get the bills paid? Someone uninsured or underinsured?
People of all socio-econimic levels have sex.

Perhaps one day you may not be adequaetly covered by insurance & need a prostate or testicular cancer screening? Or a vasectomy? Or any general mens health issue? And if you are fortunate enough not to need PP, would you not want your fellow brethren to have access to affordable mens healthcare services?

When i was young & foxy & travelling the world, i slept with men who could barely afford a sandwich. I did not have the instinct to look for a provider until I had sown my wild oats.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 363
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 1:01:44 PM
"Perhaps one day you may not be adequaetly covered by insurance & need a prostate or testicular cancer screening? Or a vasectomy? Or any general mens health issue? And if you are fortunate enough not to need PP, would you not want your fellow brethren to have access to affordable mens healthcare services?"

^^^ As long as my tax money is not going to it, and it is being done by private donations, then I have no problem with it. Also I want my tax money to benefit me. If it is not currently benefitting me, then in my humble opinion I am being robbed. As far as college students go, If they don't know by then where babies come from, then they should not be in college to start with. Also, they should be studying and going to class to begin with. If they have time to do other activities, then the professors are not giving them enough work to do.

Someone who is not paying taxes should not be allowed any sort of extra benefit nor should they be given handouts.

 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 364
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/20/2012 1:15:03 PM

Also I want my tax money to benefit me.

So you think de-funding PP and thus increasing the costs both economically and socially to society (which includes you) is a benefit?





Someone who is not paying taxes should not be allowed any sort of extra benefit nor should they be given handouts.

I agree, but how do your think you can stop corporation like GE from taking millions in subsides and handouts and yet still pay no taxes?
 Casper66
Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 365
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Posted: 3/20/2012 6:40:11 PM
Defunding PP, would actually increase healthcare costs, early detection medical exams for both men and women cut costs because medical problems are caught earlier before they require expensive treatments or expensive emergeny room admissions later. If certain cancers are found early the survival rates increase and the patient has more treatment options. It also helps those people that have lost jobs and can no longer afford insurance, which can happen to anyone in this economy, so what if they perform abortions aswell, it is a legal procedure and no one elses business but the Doctor and their patient. I doubt anyone would want a complete stranger deciding for them what medical procedures they could and couldn't have. PP provide a valuable health service to the communities they serve and should be supported not used as a political ploy.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 366
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Posted: 3/20/2012 7:07:32 PM

Someone who is not paying taxes should not be allowed any sort of extra benefit nor should they be given handouts.
Our unemployed Iraq and Afghan vets ... aw Hell, all our unemployed vets will be glad to hear they no longer deserve any "handouts".
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 367
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/21/2012 5:18:37 AM
"Our unemployed Iraq and Afghan vets ... aw Hell, all our unemployed vets will be glad to hear they no longer deserve any "handouts"

^^^They served the country. So therefore they get to have benefits. Just like the benefits I recieved when I served in the military. Taxes were taken out of my pay checks when I was in the service by the way. If I had my way, combat veterans would get to have all of their college tuition paid for, and recieve healthcare benefits for life.
As far a s planned parenthood goes, if one single unwanted pregnancy happens, then to me they should be shut down. They are doing nothing but being frauds.

This thread is about defunding the Fraud organization of Planned Parenthood, not about the military.

The fact that we need an organization for folks who are to cheap or lazy to use birthcontrol is pretty sad to begin with. Common sense is not that common unfortunately.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 368
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:29:10 AM

As far a s planned parenthood goes, if one single unwanted pregnancy happens, then to me they should be shut down. They are doing nothing but being frauds.

So if one murder occurs in your home town would you close down the police department?





The fact that we need an organization for folks who are to cheap or lazy to use birthcontrol is pretty dad to begin with. Common sense is not that common unfortunately.

Pot Meet Kettle.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 369
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/21/2012 5:45:00 AM
"So if one murder occurs in your home town would you close down the police department?"

^^^The police department only enforces the law. They don't do anything to keep the law from being broken. This thread is about defunding Planned Parenthood, not about the police department. In case you just got here to post...


"Pot Meet Kettle. "

^^^Nope, not at all. Reproduction ed is already taught in schools and by parents. If there needs to be another organization for this, then it needs to be done by donations, and not with tax dollars. After all, I don' think the founding fathers had planned parenthood in mind when they started this country. Oh wait, you don't live in the USA now do you? Speeking of Pots and Kettles and such.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 370
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Posted: 3/21/2012 6:07:45 AM

^^^The police department only enforces the law. They don't do anything to keep the law from being broken.

I think you may have just divide by zero with that statement.




^^^Nope, not at all. Reproduction ed is already taught in schools and by parents. If there needs to be another organization for this, then it needs to be done by donations, and not with tax dollars.

Yes and it is doing such a great job.

Seeing the US has highest teen birth rate by far as compared to any other developed country.




After all, I don' think the founding fathers had planned parenthood in mind when they started this country.

Yes and that is what matters today, what someone thought over 200 years ago.

Though seeing as this thread is about Planned Parenthood not the founding fathers in case you just got here.




Oh wait, you don't live in the USA now do you? Speeking of Pots and Kettles and such.

I do not think you know what Pot Meet Kettle means.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 371
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/21/2012 7:42:03 AM
"Yes and that is what matters today, what someone thought over 200 years ago.
Though seeing as this thread is about Planned Parenthood not the founding fathers in case you just got here
I do not think you know what Pot Meet Kettle means"

^^^Yes what someone thought 200 years ago matters a great deal, because we would not be here, if they did not think about it. No one has to live here if they dissagree with what the founding fathers thought, they can move to another place on the planet that agrees with what they think. Pot Meet Keetle does not mean anything to me. Just because it is often used on these threads does not mean it means something to everyone.

"I think you may have just divide by zero with that statement"

^^^I was not aware that this thread was about division. It is about an organization called planned parenthood. An organization that should only be funded by donations and not tax payer money.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 372
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:14:27 AM
What do you all think? You think that someone went after this state senators office because she supports Planned Parenthood?

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/864973/right-wing_terrorism_texas_state_senator_and_planned_parenthood_supporter%27s_office_is_damaged_in_firebombing/
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 373
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/21/2012 10:14:47 AM

Yes what someone thought 200 years ago matters a great deal, because we would not be here, if they did not think about it...

So then why do you want to go against the founding fathers with respect to abortion?

Because they where all for it.

As it was not until the mid to late 1800's when evangelical Protestants, soon followed by Catholics, instituted prohibitions with regards to abortion.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 374
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:37:40 AM
Because they where all for it.


Most of them were probably all for roast beef and a glass of Madeira, too. So what? It's the things they advocated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution which count. If the men who founded this country favored abortion, they didn't favor it strongly enough to include a provision in the Constitution guaranteeing it against government infringement.

Who first opposed abortion in the U.S., etc. may be interesting history, but it has nothing to do with government funding of a private organization like Planned Parenthood. Nor does its effectiveness change the legitimacy of federal funding. A state can fund organizations like that or not, just as it likes.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 375
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/21/2012 10:39:00 AM
"So then why do you want to go against the founding fathers with respect to abortion?
Because they where all for it.
As it was not until the mid to late 1800's when evangelical Protestants, soon followed by Catholics, instituted prohibitions with regards to abortion."

^^^I am not completely against abortion. I am against men not being allowed the same choice that women have when it comes to abortion. I am for equal rights. Reproduction rights should be the same for both men and women, without having one being able to trump the other one. I am against any of my tax money going to fund abortion or birth control. If I have to pay for it, then so should everyone else. Planned Parenthood should be privately funded by those who support it. I have never been against women having the right to choose, I just want men to have that same right. So if a woman gets pregnant, and her boyfriend or lover decides he does not want to keep it, then he either should not have to pay child support or have the right to have something he to a part in creating aborted.
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