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 daynadaze
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The Komen Foundation is a pretty shady bunch, I won't give them a cent and PP should not be associated with them, in my opinion.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 27
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:56:17 PM
It get even uglier:

As if the last few days haven’t been difficult enough for the Susan G. Komen Foundation, now it’s been revealed that former George W. Bush press secretary and current GOP operative Ari Fleischer helped the organization find a new senior VP for communications. Fleischer confirmed that he was involved in the search for a fee, but Think Progress is reporting his role extended into grilling candidates about how they would handle Komen’s partnership with Planned Parenthood. Given that Komen has come under fire for politicizing cancer screening, this latest revelation could complicate its efforts to repair the damage done by the scandal.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/4/2012 12:45:19 AM
Good timeline of the debacle.
http://jezebel.com/5882133/a-complete-guide-to-the-susan-g-komen-debacle
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 29
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Posted: 2/4/2012 5:25:30 AM
I thouight that link was so informative that I made it easier for all to read...it explaines where the no mamogram post came from.



The Complete Guide to the Susan G. Komen Debacle


It's been a wild few days in the world of women's health. So what just happened? What's the lesson? Will there be a quiz? Here's an overview to help you track exactly how pink became the new blech.
On Tuesday, Planned Parenthood announced that Susan G. Komen for the Cure, a behemoth charity that collects donations and funnels those monies to breast cancer research, would no longer be giving support to Planned Parenthood. A Komen spokesperson told Fox that the reason behind the funding's revocation was purely regulatory; according to the spokesperson, Komen had a policy that barred them from funneling money to organizations that were under investigation at the local, state, or federal level.
But the move, and Komen's flimsy explanation, sent off many people's bullshit detectors, and thousands of Komen supporters expressed their confusion and anger at the decision with social media. Some promised to redirect their Komen support to Planned Parenthood. Others pledged to never again Race for the Cure. We reported that the timing of Planned Parenthood's defunding seemed oddly coincidental, seeing as less than a year ago, Komen appointed a woman named Karen Handel to serve as the charity's Senior Vice President of Public Policy. Handel had run unsuccessful for governor of Georgia in 2010 on an anti-choice platform that cited as one of its central tenets the necessity of defunding Planned Parenthood. Could the defunding of Planned Parenthood have been a political move forced by external anti-choice voices as well as Komen's own personnel?
By Wednesday morning, all hell had broken loose for the poor intern charged with maintaining Susan G. Komen For the Cure's social media presence had given up trying to delete all the negative Facebook posts.
That night, Karen Handel retweeted an anti-Planned Parenthood tweet that urged Komen detractors to "Cry (her) a freaking river." It was deleted, but not before vigilant social media users caught a screen grab. And that night, Komen's website was hacked. Dissatisfaction abounded.
On Thursday, Joseph Goldberg at The Atlantic reported that according to sources inside Komen, Karen Handel was indeed behind the curiously recent "rule change" that led to Planned Parenthood's defunding, and that when the rule was put on the books in December, it upset one high-level Komen employee so much that she resigned in protest. Mollie Williams wasn't the only disenfranchised Komen employee to step down, though— the chair of Los Angeles Chapter of Komen for the Cure also resigned, and a New York radiologist that served as an advisor to the charity threatened to leave unless the funding was reinstated.
Politicians didn't appreciate Komen's blatantly political move, either. A total of 26 Senators signed a letter to Komen urging the organization to restore funding to Planned Parenthood. Several local and state politicians also let their displeasure be known.
Meanwhile, Komen CEO and major Republican donor Nancy Brinker embarked on a very weird damage control tour, during which she tried to re-explain the as an attempt by Komen to "streamline" and only provide grants to direct providers of mammograms, even though Planned Parenthood provided more than a hundred thousand clinical breast exams. The rule change? Psh, that's just another way to say "strategy change." Yeah. That's it.
The awkwardness reached a head on Thursday, when breast cancer survivor and MSBNC anchor Andrea Mitchell awkwardly interviewed Brinker on air, and Brinker sort of came across like an emotionally distant mother irritated that she was called to the boarding school to address little Blaine Junior's "behavior problem."
By Friday morning, news outlets were wondering why Komen hadn't applied their "no investigations" rule to more than just Planned Parenthood, and also noting that it was pretty clear that people claiming to speak for Komen were providing divergent explanations as to why Planned Parenthood funding was cut off.
And then, Komen folded yet again, apologizing that they made everyone so mad and announcing that they'll continue funding Planned Parenthood grants that currently exist. Put this behind us, they urged, and resume buying pink crap.
This whole to-do showed people that weren't aware before the extent to which Komen operates with a conservative political agenda.. Komen has shown that it's willing to lie to the public, lie repeatedly, and then try to lie to cover its tracks.
If anyone came out ahead from this, it was Planned Parenthood. They raised more than $3 million from individual donors after this whole Komen debacle started, including a $250,000 gift from Mayor Bloomgerg and a $100,000 gift from LIVESTRONG. Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards has said that all of the money raised will go toward supporting Planned Parenthood's breast health programs.
In order for Susan G. Komen for the Cure to revamp it's image as a anti-abortion social club more interested in popularity and profit than actual good works, they'll have to do some housecleaning. Either that or get better at lying.

http://jezebel.com/5882133/a-complete-guide-to-the-susan-g-komen-debacle
 part deux
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Posted: 2/4/2012 8:37:14 AM
PP is the cleanest not for profit going. This is due in large part to it's political opponents who have desperately tried to find wrongdoings in it's operations, even resorting to unconstitutional tactics, like illegally seizing patients medical files. Despite the constant legal battles and ridiculously close scrutiny, PP have always come up as working within the law. Furthermore, they keep impeccable records as some doners do not want their money used for abortions (Bill and Melinda Gates, the US govt.) Verry few NFP have the ethical spending practices of PP.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:03:39 AM
The Komen debacle is just part of the concerted effort by the Christian Taliban here to try to starve Planned Parenthood by politicizing not only abortions, but STD prevention education, and birth control. PP in Tennessee just hit a setback from the far right assault on it.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120203/NEWS0201/302030075/Planned-Parenthood-sues-TN-over-cuts-STD-program


Abortion opponents are claiming another victory in the battle to defund Planned Parenthood by excluding it from state and federal funding for HIV and syphilis prevention programs.

But the nonprofit is fighting back.

Two Tennessee Planned Parenthood groups sued the state Thursday for denying the nonprofit more than $150,000 in grant money to participate in programs funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Planned Parenthood wants a federal judge to intervene and asked for an injunction against the state.

In the lawsuit, Planned Parenthood accuses the state of arbitrarily denying the funding in December and this month — without providing a reason — after approving it in August. Planned Parenthood also accuses the state of violating the organization’s First Amendment rights and patients’ rights by restricting access to non-abortion services based solely on an aversion to abortion.

While the state did not provide Planned Parenthood a reason for denying it access to the grant money, Gov. Bill Haslam and his political allies have been open about their opposition to funding the organization with government money. Similar efforts have met with increasing success across the nation as abortion opponents flex their political muscles.

“It was clearly politically motivated,” said Jeff Teague, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Middle and East Tennessee. “The governor and people in the General Assembly have made no secret of the fact they wanted to defund Planned Parenthood. It’s something that has kind of accelerated over the past three or four years.”

Teague said the lack of funds will affect thousands of young women who otherwise couldn’t afford educational and prevention services. He said it is particularly critical that Tennesseans have easy access to such programs because of skyrocketing rates of sexually transmitted diseases.
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 cotter
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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:04:05 AM

Maybe now they discovered a way to the cure.
Sure has stirred up alot of controversy.
Sounds like still another way for the RightWingNuts to enact their idea that anyone who can't afford to take care of themselves ... well, just let them die ... right?

GOD works in mysterious ways and GOD is direction.
Believe me, when it comes to CANCER ... there is nothing any god can do.

Komen caved, funding is back on.

"Let Freedom Ring!"


The authority comes from them actually doing their job of protecting, not endangering the public welfare Matchstick.


For all the PP haters I say PROVE they spend Federal funds on abortion or have the decency to shut the hades up.
FYI ... I know someone who went to PP for 3 abortions and paid full price for each one ... there was no "federal funding" available. The family helped her out with the fees.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 33
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Posted: 2/4/2012 11:18:43 AM
From the Planed Parenthood site:

Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and mammograms, and follow up to make sure patients are cared for with the attention they need and deserve.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/breast-cancer-screenings-21189.htm
 part deux
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Posted: 2/4/2012 12:03:12 PM
Yes they do petey rose, and they have even provided a mobile mammography clinic in some areas. Pease cite you 'facts'. Some pro life nutjob is not a reliable source.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 35
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Posted: 2/4/2012 12:23:53 PM
Well, PP does many referals out to cancer specialists...the issue is that many of PP's patients are poor and the un-insured...PP is the only care available to them...Catholic charities won't provide medical care....ahem

Surprises about Planned Parenthood cancer testing

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Chief Medical Writer – 16 hours ago

To many people, breast cancer screening means a mammogram. But for millions of poor, mostly young women who visit Planned Parenthood, it is usually just a physical exam by the only health professional they may ever see.

Those clinical breast exams are controversial — government advisers don't endorse them. Yet for some, this simple exam has helped spot breast cancer. And Susan G. Komen for the Cure isn't the only group paying Planned Parenthood to do them — the government does, too. Komen actually funds relatively few.

Surprises like these are emerging about both groups in the dustup over Komen's decision to bar Planned Parenthood from future grants because of a probe spurred by anti-abortion groups. The decision was reversed on Friday after a huge backlash, with critics saying Komen was hurting the very women it aims to serve.

They are women such as Tina Love, an independent filmmaker in Santa Barbara, Calif., whose sister-in-law is famed breast surgeon Dr. Susan Love. Four years ago, when she was 41, Tina Love went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Santa Barbara.

"I had a lump and I didn't have health insurance," she explained. The agency sent her for a free mammogram, which led to her cancer being diagnosed and treated.

It's not known exactly how many cancers Planned Parenthood has found. But just last June, Komen said screenings it paid for caught 177 cancers over the last five years.

Some things you may not know about Planned Parenthood:

— Most of its services — 71 percent — are for birth control and testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases. Abortions made up 3 percent of its services in 2010. Cancer screening accounted for about 15 percent.

— Most of Planned Parenthood's clients are too young for breast cancer screening under most guidelines, although they are prime age for cervical cancer screening. About 80 percent are under 35.

— Planned Parenthood doesn't follow the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force guidelines, which do not endorse clinical breast exams and recommend mammograms only every other year starting at age 50. Instead, Planned Parenthood does a physical breast exam on any woman of any age as part of a regular physical, and refers for mammograms any women 40 and older.

— Komen paid for just 170,000 of the more than 4 million clinical breast exams Planned Parenthood performed nationwide over the last five years, and just 6,400 of Planned Parenthood's 70,000 mammography referrals in that time.

— The government has long paid Planned Parenthood for services related to cancer and sexually transmitted diseases. The group gets federal and state money for breast cancer screening service through a program for poor and uninsured women.

Dr. Vanessa Cullins, a vice president with Planned Parenthood Federation of America, defended its use of clinical breast exams. The exam, in which a doctor feels the breast for lumps, is "a good tool" when followed with mammograms and other tests as needed, she said.

In women who may not see other doctors, "we are encouraging breast self-awareness" so that if a lump is found, they'll seek help, she said.

It worked for Michele Azzaro, 45, of Dallas, who first went to Planned Parenthood when she found a lump back in her 20s. It turned out not to be cancerous, and a mammogram provided through Planned Parenthood ruled out cancer again last year.

Azzaro is unemployed and has no insurance, and has relied on Planned Parenthood for cholesterol tests and pretty much all her medical needs for more than two decades.

"Without having their services, I honestly don't know what I would do," she said. "I'm grateful they've been there for me and millions of other women like me."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iF4s0f2Mvo-5uJwdG96YyKTjmhOA?docId=144d4682a1804b2888dfc09816698362
 cotter
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:19:47 PM

plannedparenthood.org
So I showed you mine, now you show me yours

How about an actual link instead of a general .org site.

WHERE on "plannedparenthood.org" does it specifically state ...

Fact #2: Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. There is not a single PP clinic in the U.S. that can give a woman a mammogram. Planned Parenthood does not offer any direct cancer treatment services. PP does a physical breast exam, and then they are merely a referral center. They send women to hospitals and health care facilities that do provide mammograms. And for this, they demand the generous support of charitable contributions

Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. Even though they tout the ability to provide mammograms, there is no Planned Parenthood clinic that actually provides them in-house. They have to refer out for them, just like most other clinics, which means they are not allocating their federal dollars to help low-income women pay for mammograms


Not sure if you're a newbie and perhaps don't realize how links are provided when making statements like the ones above, but that's generally the way we do it in here. Notice, the gentleman above your post (Message 38) used an http:// link. See if you can get us one too.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:32:35 PM
Who frickin cares if PP does mammograms or farms them out...exactly like an insureds provider does....the difference is that PP provides care to the poor and uninsured...that NO ONE else is providing...in the last 5 years they've performed 4,000,000 breast exams that would not have been done by anyone...not by Catholic Charities...not by any other christian dogooder charity...exams done by no one other than PP...who cares whether they farm out mammograms or do them in house...

From PP.org

Breast cancer screenings, such as breast exams or mammograms, help detect breast cancer in its earliest, most treatable stage. These breast cancer detection tools can save lives. More than nine out of 10 women who detect breast cancer early live at least five years — and many live much longer.

Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and mammograms, and follow up to make sure patients are cared for with the attention they need and deserve.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/breast-cancer-screenings-21189.htm
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:33:00 PM
Colbert had a good defense of PP during one of the earlier assaults.
http://gawker.com/5791100/watch-stephen-colberts-defense-of-planned-parenthood
 part deux
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:33:50 PM
PP has some clinics (ex waco texas) That have mammograms on site. Other clinics that 'refer' underprivileged women also provide the 'ressources' ie money to pay for the mammogram.If you take a look at the sites that say they do not provide mammograms, they are all pro life groups more interested in political agenda than health or the truth.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 40
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:36:46 PM
Actually, I did the google search too. I imagine my results were similar to yours. First off, almost without exception, the results on the first page were all from very slanted right wing sites that all told the same story. They pretty much covered the initial results with garbage.

I had to look a little deeper. It turns out that there are 3 PP clinics where they are the only place to get mammograms in the area. While most Planned Parenthood clinics don't offer mammograms, they do refer those out where it's called for - and the patient receives the services without charge. They do clinical breast exams, then refer patients out if a mammogram is indicated. Where they can't refer out, they do it in house. As a non-profit they spend their dollars wisely - usually not buying equipment if that would mean a duplication of services in the area.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 2/4/2012 1:49:47 PM

Better?


What exactly is your point? Please explain how mammograms done in house at PP or farmed out makes any difference to these poor and uninsured women who would not have the services provided anywhere else.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 2/4/2012 2:06:50 PM
It doesn't matter, in my view, which services PP provides on site and which ones they line up for women. What matters is that they're helping women get the health care they need. My doctor does few procedures himself, but if I've got a complaint he makes sure I get the help I need, and that's a service I wouldn't want to lose.

This whole debacle seems like serious strategic error from the pro-life crowd. Polls vary, with the country roughly split on the number of people who identify with either the pro-life or pro-choice label, but more voters do make pro-life their primary vote criteria than pro-choice people do.

An episode like this, however, serves to motivate the pro-choice folks to become more actively engaged, and PP is coming out of this with a true win-win. They've got more money and more support while a whole lot of people who might have only thought of them as abortion providers now know that they perform vital non-abortion health services to a great number of women.

Having run non-profits before, I know how valuable a perceived crisis can be to garner support that far outlives the period of crisis. On the flip side, as Komen is learning the hard way, a scandal can cripple you and be very difficult to recover from.
 valenciacityx
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Msg: 43
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Posted: 2/4/2012 2:10:27 PM
Planned Parenthood should be defunded from the public tax teet....
Because EVERY thing that they do, we are already paying for under the new Obamacare legislation - they are redundant. They can mount their own funding drive if they want to stay in business.
Same with 'public' television - Tickle Me Elmo merchandising money and licensing more than well fund that widget - cut them off too.

Hell give me a big red pen and an alphabetical listing for agencies, directorates, commissions, bureaus, councils, committees, and entitlements - I bet I cut a Billion before my next cup of coffee.
 part deux
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Posted: 2/4/2012 2:45:34 PM
This is not a thread on public spending, please go back and read the OP.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/4/2012 3:19:24 PM
A big part of the debate has to do with public funding with the uber-right indignant about certain aspects of womens' rights and how to control them. The Komen thing tied directly into the public spending thing by way of Inquistion, intimidating some board members, and inviting in people like Karen to try to reason with the Christian Taliban.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/273-40/9761-susan-g-komen-and-the-planned-parenthood-jihad

This is an excellent observation on the poisonous relationship between the causers of breast cancer, the profiteers from the "Cure", and those in between.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/01-9
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/4/2012 7:55:24 PM
Since the Komen group is a private entity, I guess it has every right to decide who it donates money to.

The so-called liberals who are so quick to defend the religious freedom of the most vile, shariah-loving, Muslim jihadists are very quiet when American Catholics are forced to help pay for medical procedures which are against their beliefs. More proof--as if more were needed--that these "liberals" are anything but. They are narrow-minded, intolerant bullies at heart.

There is a lot of evidence that Planned Parenthood has been misusing public money it receives on abortion. That's an unconstitutional violation of Catholic taxpayers' freedom of religion, but self-righteous "liberals" couldn't care less about the rule of law. The only mistake the head of Komen made was to knuckle under to pressure from the radical leftists in NOW and PP. She should have told them to go straight to he!!.
 BalderDog2
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Msg: 47
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Posted: 2/4/2012 8:56:51 PM

what is the evidence you are talking about


He doesn't have any. He just makes things up.
 part deux
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Posted: 2/4/2012 9:01:40 PM
He constantly hijacks threads with irrelevant, off topic rants about 'liberals'. Just ignore him.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 2/4/2012 9:02:36 PM
Yeah. It's best not to engage him in any way. He really, really hates America - or at least the United States of America. He's all gung ho on the Confederate States of America though.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 2/4/2012 9:26:37 PM

Since the Komen group is a private entity, I guess it has every right to decide who it donates money to.


Sure it does. I'm not familiar with just where they get all their funding, but I gather much of it comes from donations and fundraisers that up until now a wide spectrum of the public has participated in. By narrowing their agenda they're narrowing their revenue stream. That's entirely their right. It just means they may well find themselves with a smaller budget to work with.


There is a lot of evidence that Planned Parenthood has been misusing public money


I've not seen that evidence. Again, I haven't dug deeply, but it's my understanding that since they're under such constant scrutiny from such fierce opposition that their book keeping is pretty meticulous. If there have been any financial scandals involving PP I'm not aware of them. Care to back up your accusation?

And PLEASE don't fall back on Constitutional arguments. If Congress has given PP money you don't think they have the right to give to them your problem is with Congress, not PP.
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