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 Earthpuppy
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Contrary to the delusions of our Constitutional "scholar", the outrage over the Komen funding withdrawal was one of the most diverse movements in the country. Nearly everyone has has someone in their life affected by breast or cervical cancer, regardless of religion or none, color, national origin or ancestry. Millions march for the cure from all corners of our culture. Millions from all corners of our culture benefit from Komen and PP work. Quite a stretch to blame the backlash on "leftists".

Since PP only uses 3% of it's budget for abortion services, Komen could have cut funding 3% to make a point to sate the C Taliban bullies in their midst. Over a third of PP resources go to contraception services, and over another third go to STD prevention, detection and treatment, and nearly a 6th goes to cancer screening and prevention.

As for Catholic Hospitals...Most staff are not Catholic and the vast majority of those treated in such facilities are not Catholic. I spent considerable time in St. Mary's Hospital at the Mayo Clinic complex during my fathers waning years. It is highly multicultural and the Sisters precence has waned considerably over time. Religious non-profit hospitals like that treat around 17% of the US population now. While these institutions love to have their non-profit status bennies, they are increasingly involved in profit driven mergers with other hospitals and forcing staff and patients to abide by Vatican rules of engagement in health care.

http://www.choicematters.org/articles/under-the-knife-and-the-cross/
More at the link...this is a snip.


The conflict in St. Petersburg was precipitated by one of the least-publicized developments in American medical care of the past decade — a nationwide wave of profit-driven mergers between Catholic and non-Catholic hospitals. The mergers have forced many non-Catholic institutions to operate under health care guidelines issued by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops. These guidelines have already restricted access to reproductive health services, but they also have major implications for other forms of medical care and research.

The bishops’ “Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services” not only prohibit abortion but the prescription of contraceptives (including the “morning-after” pill to rape victims), many infertility treatments, voluntary sterilization, and most embryonic stem-cell and fetal-tissue research.

This June, the American bishops revised the directives, first issued in 1994, in a move to tighten restrictions on both Catholic and non-Catholic partner institutions. In one major change pushed by the Vatican, the bishops ratified a provision denouncing elective sterilization as “intrinsically evil.”

But even before the revision, the Catholic rules had far-reaching consequences. Lindenberg’s 1997 abortion was performed shortly after St. Petersburg’s taxpayer-supported Bayfront Medical Center entered an economic partnership with two Catholic hospitals. Her procedure enraged local Catholic authorities and set off a chain of events that forced Bayfront not only to stop abortions but also to abide by all of the bishops’ guidelines.

It took a three-year fight, including separate lawsuits filed by the city and four public interest groups, to free Bayfront from the controversial consortium and restore a full range of reproductive health services.

Catholics for a Free Choice (CFFC), a group opposed to Vatican positions on abortion and contraception, estimates that approximately 159 such mergers have gone through in communities from California to Florida since 1990.

According to a report last year by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an organization that focuses on reproductive health research, Catholic hospitals make up the single largest group of American nonprofit hospitals. These institutions account for approximately 17 percent of hospital admissions annually.

CFFC estimates that at least half of all mergers have led to significant restrictions on reproductive health services in the non-Catholic hospitals.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/5/2012 10:05:08 AM

If there have been any financial scandals involving PP I'm not aware of them. Care to back up your accusation?


Anyone interested in the misdeeds at Planned Parenthood clinics can look up Lila Rose and Florida Rep. Cliff Stearns. Planned Parenthood gets a big chunk of its money from the federal government. The illegal use of any of those public funds is every taxpayer's business.


If Congress has given PP money you don't think they have the right to give to them your problem is with Congress, not PP.


It's not quite that simple. Much of the New Deal was justified under Congress' dubious authority to spend to promote the general welfare of the U.S. And that's its only conceivable authority for spending public funds on organizations like Planned Parenthood.

I don't believe Congress has any such general authority. But even if it does, the Supreme Court has made clear it can't exercise that authority at the expense of other constitutional rights. Some of the tax dollars Planned Parenthood spends were earned by Catholics and others who oppose abortion on religious grounds. If its clinics advise women how to evade the law in order to get abortions--which apparently they have--it's a very serious matter which Congress should investigate.
 wvwaterfall
Joined: 1/17/2007
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Posted: 2/5/2012 11:39:11 AM

look up Lila Rose and Florida Rep. Cliff Stearns.


OK I did. Near as I can tell they're two people fanatically opposed to abortion who despite their best efforts haven't come up with anything that would stick against PP. Lemme know if you're got any hard evidence.

PP keeps careful track of their money to make sure any funds not allowed to be used for abortions are kept away from that small part of their expenditures. They've survived countless audits and endless scrutiny. If you've got real evidence of misuse of funds, not just accusations, please present it.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 54
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/5/2012 2:27:33 PM
Does anyone else see the irony in "Pro-Lifers's" cutting cancer screening funds?

I suppose they should rename themselves pro-fetus, rather than pro-life. Once you are out of the womb they dont give a f*** about you.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 55
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Posted: 2/5/2012 2:37:30 PM
Pro-lifers only care about life from conception to birth...then yer on yer own.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 56
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Posted: 2/5/2012 2:41:17 PM

Pro-lifers only care about life from conception to birth...then yer on yer own.


Yupppp
 wvwaterfall
Joined: 1/17/2007
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Posted: 2/5/2012 3:12:19 PM

I suppose they should rename themselves pro-fetus


Oh that's what they've always been. If someone is pro-life, anti-death penalty, anti-war I can respect their logic. If they're only pro-life in terms of being anti-abortion, their stance, ironically, is a prime example of making a choice about which lives are ok to take and which aren't. Even that is up to the eternal debate over exactly when life begins.

And I could even respect that position more if the same ardent anti-abortion folks were putting a lot of energy into sex education, birth control, poverty eradication and all the other factors that can conspire to create circumstances where an abortion may be the most rational choice a woman feels she can make.

Some pro-life folks DO focus on positive efforts to eliminate the reasons a woman might choose an abortion. I don't mean to lump them all into one category. But a whole lot don't. Planned Parenthood puts far more resources into family planning, birth control, and health screenings than they do into abortions. One would think the pro-life crowd would support all the positive things that they do.

Just think how much more we could do if we focused more on common goals than on defeating whoever doesn't perfectly align with us.

But I digress.
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 58
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/5/2012 4:00:21 PM

Pro-lifers only care about life from conception to birth...then yer on yer own.


I don't think many pro-lifers are actually pro-life. I my opinion, I don't believe many of them care much about the unborn; I believe the real issue they take with abortion is that they see it as undermining and interfering with God's intentions. God created a life and now here comes a doctor who is going to undo it. They don't like that.
 cotter
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:44:16 PM

... undermining and interfering with God's intentions.
Okay ... now I get it why pro-lifers are so intent on being concerned about a fetus, but not about someone who can't afford to pay for medical care, likewise no regard whatsoever for the killing and maiming of millions of innocents ... I guess that's all just god's will.

If god wanted the person who can't afford medical treatment to have medical care, then god would have given that person the talent to earn a living that would allow them to get medical care ... and continue to live? If god didn't want us to go to war illegally, then he would have told the President listening to "god" not to do it?

Got it ... don't know how I missed that all this time.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 60
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Posted: 2/5/2012 5:22:21 PM

I don't think many pro-lifers are actually pro-life. I my opinion, I don't believe many of them care much about the unborn; I believe the real issue they take with abortion is that they see it as undermining and interfering with God's intentions. God created a life and now here comes a doctor who is going to undo it. They don't like that.


But they're ok if the kid starves to death, or of a fatal but preventable illness, or by bomb or bullet, or by goverment execution.

For a group that proclaims loudly how "Pro Life" they are, they're comfortable with an uncomfortable amount of feath and killing.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/6/2012 2:56:22 AM
"Pro-lifers" by their actions toward the post birth humans, show that "life" is not at all what it is about. Likewise, Constitutional cherry pickers on that side seem to inclined the same way. To condemn people to death via cutting off funding for cancer screenings show darker motives. I believe deep down they are still resentful of womens equality strides just as the Ron Paul crowd is resentful of minority equality in their Constitutional hissy fits. You see it in the coded language like the need to invoke NOW or "leftists" when they were not visibly part of the overnight outrage at Komen.

We never see a similar outrage at mens reproductive choice issues. Vascectomies and Viagra are never an issue. Mens choices are dear to their loins, but those uppity women just go too far too often. That equality thing clearly has bounds that have been breeched. Just look at the hipocrysy of the Family Research Council awarding deadbeat dad, Joe Walsh, True Blue status for his work in de-funding Planned Parenthood and fighting womens reproductive rights.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2011/11/08/deadbeat-dad-wins-pro-family-award/

No, this has little to do about consistency in honoring life and much more to do with consistency in negatively affecting the rights of women and post birth neglect.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 62
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Posted: 2/6/2012 5:20:30 AM
Not at all it has to do with using government funds to abort babies...if there is a chance that PP is violating the terms of funding then funding should be cut off..

Planned Parenthood engages in Obamanomics when reporting how money is allocated...the percentages that they post are not based on money they are based on people receiving that service...they report each service separately, so if one person comes in and receives multiple services they are counted multiple times, so the percentage that they post regarding how much of their resources are allocated to abortion are deceptively low..every person that gets an abortion receives other service automatically..this inflates the percentage of other services although the primary service is the abortion...so the 3% is bogus just like every other number ever posted by Liberals or Democrats...

As far as the Cancer screening argument they do not do mammograms biopsies or anything other than a physical exam...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 63
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Posted: 2/6/2012 5:47:42 AM

Not at all it has to do with using government funds to abort babies...if there is a chance that PP is violating the terms of funding then funding should be cut off..

Planned Parenthood engages in Obamanomics when reporting how money is allocated...the percentages that they post are not based on money they are based on people receiving that service...they report each service separately, so if one person comes in and receives multiple services they are counted multiple times, so the percentage that they post regarding how much of their resources are allocated to abortion are deceptively low..every person that gets an abortion receives other service automatically..this inflates the percentage of other services although the primary service is the abortion...so the 3% is bogus just like every other number ever posted by Liberals or Democrats...

As far as the Cancer screening argument they do not do mammograms biopsies or anything other than a physical exam...


And I've heard the evangelical rightwingnuts burn witches at the stake...and that teabaggers are all related by marriage to siblings...

Ok, now that we've done with unsubstantiated ramblings:

Who cares if women that have no other access to healthcare get their biopsies, mammograms, MRI's, X-rays referred out to be done at hospitals or oncologists by PP...that they get the care is what is at issue....of course, what is at issue from the evangelical right, is that these uninsured and poor should receive care at all...
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 64
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Posted: 2/6/2012 6:42:03 AM

every person that gets an abortion receives other service automatically..this inflates the percentage of other services although the primary service is the abortion...so the 3% is bogus just like every other number ever posted by Liberals or Democrats...

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Not Intended To Be A Factual Statement.
 frijolera_ninja
Joined: 4/11/2011
Msg: 65
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:13:40 AM
I didnt read 3 pages of posts but guess what ...states have programs for poor and working poor uninsured they provide breast exams annually and mammograms every 2-3 years depending on age and unless of course an emergency. So if you think people will be going without you guys got suckered into the hype!
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 66
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:21:19 AM
states have programs for poor and working poor uninsured


Generally, this is called medicaid. Another program the right would like to do away with....yet, perhaps you're not speaking of medicaid...so, all states provide free screening for beast cancer and provide the diagnostic services to all poor and uninsured...and they do this at readily accessable sites???

So, apparently you are saying that removing access to PP will have no impact on the poor and uninsured??? In other words, less access is better???


So if you think people will be going without you guys got suckered into the hype!


Yes, I think less access will result in women going without care...I've been suckered.


They still have access they just wont be going to planned parenthood ... every county facility has these programs and guess what they also give birth control they even do vasectomys so dont believe for a second some poor person is gona get breast cancer and no one will see her.


PP works in part on private donations...and recieves 1/3rd of it's funding from the government...yep, it would be better if all healthcare services received by the poor and uninsured were paid 100% thru the taxpayer.
 frijolera_ninja
Joined: 4/11/2011
Msg: 67
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:27:03 AM
They still have access they just wont be going to planned parenthood ... every county facility has these programs and guess what they also give birth control they even do vasectomys so dont believe for a second some poor person is gona get breast cancer and no one will see her.
 frijolera_ninja
Joined: 4/11/2011
Msg: 68
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:54:26 AM
Theres quite a few different programs out there now 100% covered by state, ability to pay or o.r.s.a., and another one that helps if you have a high deductible or share of cost. Plus theres so much community outreach that they have health fairs and clinics providing them for free.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 69
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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:37:19 AM

Theres quite a few different programs out there now 100% covered by state, ability to pay or o.r.s.a., and another one that helps if you have a high deductible or share of cost. Plus theres so much community outreach that they have health fairs and clinics providing them for free.


You are so right...I googled free breast exams in Connecticut and it seems the Connecticut Department of Health does sponsor free exams for underserved women in Connecticut...thru Planned Parenthood.
 dsljim
Joined: 7/2/2011
Msg: 70
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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:39:17 AM
Search. ( low incidence cancer areas )
Hopi and Pueblo Indians both had 1 in 1000 cancer rates, the Pueblos got a supermarket and their rate jumped to 1 in 4. If your eating foods that prevent cancer there's no place to print a pink ribbon because it's not in a package.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, in this case it's 750 / 1000 that won't get cancer in the first place, and hopefully those 750 will teach their children to eat healthy also.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 71
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:34:03 AM

You are so right...I googled free breast exams in Connecticut and it seems the Connecticut Department of Health does sponsor free exams for underserved women in Connecticut...thru Planned Parenthood.
True except you forgot to mention that there were 15 places and only two were planned parenthood.....
 xlmagboy
Joined: 6/28/2010
Msg: 72
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Posted: 2/6/2012 12:15:16 PM
When planned parenthood kills a baby, what happens to the baby? Do they send the baby back to GOD and say no thanks? I sure the hell don't want my taxes paying for that.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 73
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/6/2012 12:25:58 PM
True except you forgot to mention that there were 15 places and only two were planned parenthood.....


This is the azzinine debate...so, we're both arguing that PP gives free breast exams along with other hospitals in my state...and your point is?

Your point is that free breast exams sponsored thru the state is paid by taxes at 100% and that PP performs these same services with 1/3 government funding...so, PP is a bad thing???

Or your saying that reduced access is better for underserved women...

What exactly is your point...because no one can see it but you.


When planned parenthood kills a baby, what happens to the baby? Do they send the baby back to GOD and say no thanks? I sure the hell don't want my taxes paying for that


You know, of course...that it is illegal to use taxpayer dollars for abortions????
 dsljim
Joined: 7/2/2011
Msg: 74
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/6/2012 1:05:47 PM
Here's an idea, if they find cancer, you will be shuttled through some treatment program, so those places should offer free screanings. It's like the garages offering free inspections for your car, isn't it amazing how they always find things wrong to line their pockets?
The best way to survive is to learn all you can from all the research done in the last hundred years.
Google "the cancer cell" it's information not a brochure by a drug company.
Go to YouTube type in " Cancer drugs make tumors more aggressive" the one you want is 14:51 minutes.
 frijolera_ninja
Joined: 4/11/2011
Msg: 75
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/6/2012 1:16:43 PM

This is the azzinine debate...so, we're both arguing that PP gives free breast exams along with other hospitals in my state...and your point is?

Your point is that free breast exams sponsored thru the state is paid by taxes at 100% and that PP performs these same services with 1/3 government funding...so, PP is a bad thing???


Yet you didnt mention is the fact the same amount of people get seen and they are being seen on the ability to pay some are free some are reduced. The facility is the only place changing not the services or the funding. Even if they go to county theres donations and contribution allotments there as well! Also men get included in this screening ... yes men get breast cancer too! They cant go to planned parenthood! Access is available and affordable to everyone!
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