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 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 78
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I guess you've never heard of statements being made for public consumption, have you........ THAT is just what Public Relations firms do....... just ask Aristotle.

So, in order to justify them doubling my rates, and just about everybody elses, they would have to lose almost half of their clients........... Did they?


PK...I just read what the resources put out there...everything else is just BS hearsay.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 79
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Posted: 3/13/2012 6:00:57 AM

Yes, capitalism is the best system we know of. Capitalism isn't what is "screwing me over", it is the attempt by a marxist, Mr. Howdy Doody, to implement his version of re-distribution of wealth, AS HE PROMISED TO DO DURING HIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN, that brought on those increases.

So CEO's and their respective companies making billions of dollars in profit have absolutely nothing to do with your high cost of health insurance?

Denial, not just a river in Egypt.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 80
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Posted: 3/13/2012 6:44:06 AM

So CEO's and their respective companies making billions of dollars in profit have absolutely nothing to do with your high cost of health insurance?

Denial, not just a river in Egypt.
And here I thought Denial was a song by Sevendust? who knew ? You seem to have a problem with companies in the Health Sector making profit, this is why films done by Micheal Moore are a joke and cannot be taken seriously.

Did you know When Mr. Moore described Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) as the creation of a dark and evil conspiracy by Richard Nixon, for some reason he forgot to mention that Nixon’s enthusiastic partner in pushing the HMO Act of 1973 through a Democratic-controlled Congress was Senator Edward Kennedy. He also forgot to mention that the Clinton Administration’s health care proposals in 1994 would have forced most Americans into HMOs?


The American pharmaceutical industry has produced a revolution in medical treatment that has greatly improved health and longevity in the United States, with no extra charge to the rest of the world,More than Sixty billion dollars a year is now spent by the industry on the research and development of new drugs–more than 90% of America's new drugs.


You think the government can do better? hell NO, The Department of Motor Vehicles and the U.S. Postal Service are not examples that suggest government will provide more comforting health services.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 81
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:00:59 AM

You think the government do better? hell NO, The Department of Motor Vehicles and the U.S. Postal Service are not examples that suggest government will provide more comforting health services.


Aren't all coverages thru public insurance companies and not the government under PPACA???
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 82
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:02:39 AM
I was referring to the posters that think the Government should have total control over health care Irish.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 83
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:08:23 AM

LOL...is Michael Moore the devil or what?
The man is Satan's nephew, he is evil, twisted, dark and sinister and cannot be contained in hell so he is free to roam America to share his twisted tales



Why does everyone think we evil left leaners love Michael Moore?
well every left leaning person Ive been in contact with thinks he is God and This ought to be one of the world greatest Mysteries the man has no idea what he is talking about, he is like a fungus on a dog's ass.


The government shouldn't have total control over anything. The government should be able to control some measure of the standards to which health care services are rendered and providers of said services held accountable (it should obviously also be easier to hold the government accountable, but that reform is a whole other issue).
The first part I agree with , the Government shouldn't have total control, the rest of it I dont agree with, The government job is to protect individual rights, creating laws that protect society, law and order, transparency.

Most things the government touches or tries to control ends up a nightmare, look at all the regulations the government has brought forth and look at the chaos that followed, greedy corporation taking advantage of special favors from their friends in the government, More regulations Meje isn't the answer,do you know how much damage certain regulations has done to the American People?
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 84
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:24:19 AM
I hear you on that I cannot speak of the pain and suffering of the American People, this is why Im trying to reach out to my American Friends and ask them what can they do to fight that dark sinister evil force called Socialism and join the Freedom fighters of Capitalism and profit to conquer this unspeakable Evil.

I say to my fellow Canadians what have you done today to help conquer this evil? I wake up every morning and devise a plan to fight this evil force so we all can prosper and enjoy life.

Im so far to the right I was considering having my left turn signal from my car removed , just kidding lol.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 85
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Posted: 3/13/2012 11:29:09 AM

The American pharmaceutical industry has produced a revolution in medical treatment that has greatly improved health and longevity in the United States, with no extra charge to the rest of the world,More than Sixty billion dollars a year is now spent by the industry on the research and development of new drugs–more than 90% of America's new drugs.

Over what time frame (ie. how far back are you going) and can you cite a source for your claim. Because most of the data the make claims with respect to longevity are more to do with survival rates and not true reflection of longevity rates.

Then explain why the same drug in the US is much more expensive than it is in other countries.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 86
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Posted: 3/13/2012 11:33:32 AM

Then explain why the same drug in the US is much more expensive than it is in other countries.


Because big pharma has a great lobby and can charge more here.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 87
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Posted: 3/13/2012 1:49:09 PM
Are you denying that the American Pharmaceutical companies are not creating new drugs or do you think they are sitting on their asses and collecting bonuses?


Then explain why the same drug in the US is much more expensive than it is in other countries
see Paul K and BigBadNIrish's answers
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 88
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Posted: 3/13/2012 1:49:19 PM

"Then explain why the same drug in the US is much more expensive than it is in other countries."


Easy............. Lawyers.
Could you explain the connection as I am not sure what you are talking about.




Then there is the "difference" between "surrvival rates" and "longevity rates"........ Can one say that he surrvived a long time? A real difference without a dstinction, or is it a distinction without a difference?

It is a difference without a distinction.

In the USA like many other devolved nations, survival rates appeared to go up, but it had more to do with early medical intervention with newborns, which in the long creates a weaker population.

So to make a claim that what the drug companies have done as being beneficial is not looking at the big picture, as the population would be far better off without a lot of the drugs used today.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 89
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:04:26 PM

Lawyers force the cost of drugs up because they file these annoying things called "Law Suits". You see, here in the USA, being a civilized society, we have the right of redress when something goes arwy due to other persons negligence, or intentional causation of harm.

Cool story bro, got anything to back that up?

Because I know in Canada the price of drugs are regulated, thus forcing drug companies to sell at a price which is set by the Canada’s Patented Medicine Prices Review Board.





And now higher survival rate of infants is the cause of a weaker population. I guess it is a good thing that according to some statistics, the US is #37 in health care, so our infant health care is not so great, and henceforth, we won't have to worry about a weaker population...........................

I took a stab that it would not be over your head with regards to comprehension.

You proved me wrong.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 90
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:23:03 PM

Because I know in Canada the price of drugs are regulated, thus forcing drug companies to sell at a price which is set by the Canada’s Patented Medicine Prices Review Board
Well I wouldn't quite put it that way but yes its heavily regulated ,For our American friends ......In Canada it is illegal to market prescription drugs directly to the consumer, This means that Canadian prescription drug prices are not inflated by large advertising budgets like they are in the United States, Advertising of prescription drugs is illegal in Canada partially because it does not provide impartial or objective information to consumers making health decisions.

But ,in answer to your earlier question about why drugs are more expensive in America its because The pharmaceutical industry has the largest lobby in Washington, DC — there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists there than members of Congress — and it gives copiously to political campaigns,as a result, the prescription drug legislation and policies that come out of Washington are usually made to order for the industry. Here Is what I found out and a few examples

1) A series of laws has enabled drug companies to extend the exclusive marketing rights of brand-name drugs through a variety of manoeuvrings, including suing generic companies, sometimes repeatedly, to gain additional 30-month periods of exclusivity.

2) The fruits of publicly funded research are virtually given to drug companies, with no requirement for reasonable pricing.

3) Americans are prohibited from importing prescription drugs from countries where they are less expensive, most notably Canada.

So you guessed it Lawyers and Lobbyist
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 91
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:30:44 PM

But in answer to your earlier question about why drugs are more expensive in America its because The pharmaceutical industry has the largest lobby in Washington, DC — there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists there than members of Congress — and it gives copiously to political campaigns,as a result, the prescription drug legislation and policies that come out of Washington are usually made to order for the industry.

Thanks for the info, although I already knew the answer just wondering if the other poster did as well.

So basically the fox is guarding the hen house, as they are not made to order but the drug companies write the rules, pass them along to congress to get them passed.




So you guessed it Lawyers and Lobbyist

They are just workers in the chain, it is the drug companies that is behind all of this, so they are the ones to blame.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 92
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:39:20 PM

They are just workers in the chain, it is the drug companies that is behind all of this, so they are the ones to blame.
Oh I see, so is that why President Obama is at war the Drug Companies and pharmaceutical industry?

Why dont you accept that all is to blame, not just certain corporations with idiot and management lacking integrity, blame congress, lobbyist,Shareholders,Regulators, Burger King and Wally's world too.

Edited, I sometimes type too fast ooops, hey Even Betty Crocker burns the odd cake
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 93
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:45:09 PM

Oh I see, so is that why President Obama is at work the Drug Companies and pharmaceutical industry?

Your sentence does not make any sense so sorry I can not answer or comment.




Why dont you accept that all is to blame, not just certain corporations with idiot and management lacking integrity, blame congress, lobbyist,Shareholders,Regulators, Burger King and Wally's world too

Are you saying that people with a clear purpose of making profits lack integrity?

They are playing by the rules, mind you they made the rules, but still they are playing by them, and just living the America dream of making it big.

So why do you hate them? Do you hate America and its great capitalistic system, or do you just not like the fact that the guy in office has saved your economic bacon?
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 94
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:51:44 PM

I keep telling you that there is a place for this type of bantering......... it is called the "HUMOR" section.

Is that because you fail to understand it is the truth?

Unless you can provide me with some details with regards to key economic indicators in your country and the direction they are headed and how the POTUS affected them, then I will assume once again, the only thing you have is a ill-informed second hand option.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 95
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:55:50 PM
Are you denying that the American Pharmaceutical companies are not creating new drugs or do you think they are sitting on their asses and collecting bonuses?


Well, actually big pharma doesn't produce many new drugs...what they do is buy smaller companies that actually do the research and create new drugs...and this helps drive the cost up.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 96
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:57:29 PM

Are you saying that people with a clear purpose of making profits lack integrity?

They are playing by the rules, mind you they made the rules, but still they are playing by them, and just living the America dream of making it big.

So why do you hate them? Do you hate America and its great capitalistic system, or do you just not like the fact that the guy in office has saved your economic bacon?


No I said idiot management and those without integrity I have a problem with, I have a problem with industries and companies in bed with the government, I have a problem with companies that breaks and bends more rules then the Catholic Church ( no disrespect to the Catholic Church)

Playing by the rules that they help set up is what im talking about

I dont hate anyone or anything , except for the Toronto Maple Leafs, I dont hate America, and second I'm not American ,I'm Canadian, President Obama doesn't affect me in any way well some of the new banking regulations impacts investments some what , including this new International tax treaty coming in 2014, it wont affect me but it will affect my American friends and relatives living in Canada.

As long as President Obama doesn't interfere with me making money I couldn't care less what he does just dont screw up America anymore than what he has done or the previous Administration has done when it was run by Idiots their dog occupying Congress
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 97
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Posted: 3/13/2012 4:05:38 PM


I keep telling you that there is a place for this type of bantering......... it is called the "HUMOR" section.


Is that because you fail to understand it is the truth?


Nope, it's because he cannot contribute more than a one liner...and posts with no real contribution to many thread topics.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 98
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Posted: 3/13/2012 4:18:01 PM

Well, actually big pharma doesn't produce many new drugs...what they do is buy smaller companies that actually do the research and create new drugs...and this helps drive the cost up.
I think I read that somewhere too, that and the advertising , lobbyists .....its amazing Americans can afford the stuff .

What do you guys down there think of Obamacare which I know is a Colloquial name for the affordable care act?
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 99
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:49:52 AM
My proposal would be to make everything legal. That way no laws would ever be broken.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 100
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Posted: 3/15/2012 6:26:51 AM

Ok Meje, since he has not graced us with an answer, I will reply to your post....BTW, this is not intended to be a debate. I want to understand and "question" the incoming information

Did you report it for answering your question, which is why i did not bother to respond, as the poster clearly articulated the point now thus I felt my answer would be redundant.




As far as being better off without some drugs used today, I am taking several medications that make my life better and keep me healthy, mentally and physically; so I also have to disagree with his statement there.

You will first have to understand that how you, or how you perceive your offspring to be doing is not a reflection of how the populations is doing, and things that me be better for you in the short term can be detrimental for a population in the long term.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 101
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Posted: 3/15/2012 9:49:09 AM
"You will most likely always believe that medical advancements are good, but in reality they weaken our natural capabilities for adaptation which will cause humans to become less likely to survive chance catastrophic events. "

^^^Interesting.. So is this proposing that medicine along with free healthcare should be done away with? So that the weak in the population can be culled out? Like Eugenics? There have been dictators that have supported things such as this. Careful how you word things. Why would you be against medicine and treatment, unless you have an agenda of getting rid of those you perceive to be as you say it "weaken natural capabilities." If that were to be the case, computers and the internet would have to be done away with, because that can get in the way of proper exercise. So in essence that would take is back in time, instead of forward.

So is the answer that we all go back to cave living, tribe living, or live like the Amish and such? At lest they live in peace for the most part that is.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 102
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Posted: 3/15/2012 10:53:37 AM
"Don't hate on the Amish"

^^^The Amish are awesome! Thanks for clarifying that previous post and I am sorry for misunderstanding it. No worries.
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