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 Twilightslove
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Speaking woman to woman larissan04 the bills that are before congress in these states are bills to limit your right to use birth control at all, to choose abortion (even when being pregnant is endangering your health and could be fatal to you and the baby you are carrying). There are bills out there right now that are going to give your OB GYN the right to lie to you about impending problems that could cause you to die during childbirth and a bill that will give your employer the right to fire you if you are taking birth control if your employer disagrees with birth control. You live in a state, Illinois, that is almost as bad as Texas when it comes to providing any type of health care to women and you should realize that has a tremendously ill effect for women who cannot afford health care on their own. Lack of healthcare to poor or lower middle class women of childbearing age are more likely to give birth to low birth weight babies who are born prematurely with severe health issues.

This has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with men who feel the need to control your body and mine.

I view this as an issue that every woman should take interest in as it is an issue that will very well effect not only your children, your neighbors children, but will also effect your grandchildren and theirs.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 5/6/2012 11:12:21 PM
The War On Women

i just want people to read that again. not the war on american women, not the war
on certain women in certain states. not the war on selective women.

The War On Women.

now im sure the poor women who are used and abused in horrific ways by men in
islamic culture will understand your reluctance in looking at this.

they will understand how uncomfortable it will make windbags in america to confront
this.

as EP himself said its something that needs to be addressed. but not just now eh? the
world wide war on women that gets slung a deefy by the handwringers lol

18 pages of waffle and bluster yet a report by the impeccable liberal journo robert
fisk that up to 20,000 women A YEAR are 'honour' killed registers zero, nada, ziltch
on the pof forum liberal concience

it would be laughable if it was not so sad


ps whats this then? maybe you dont class these lassies as american eh?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57409395-504083/honor-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-u.s/http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57409395-504083/honor-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-u.s/
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 5/7/2012 1:29:48 AM
Nice try in twisting reality Jimmy/Vlad.

I just noted that we can't export democracy at gunpoint effectively or womens's rights effectively but there are attempts. When we can't get our own house in order, it's hard to say do as we say, not as we do. In our culture we call honor killings "domestic violence".

Around 12 MILLION women a year are subject to domestic violence, rape, honor killings, assault, etc. Where our liberals overwhelmingly support women with laws like the Violence Against Women Act, our cons waffle and fight it because it might protect certain women they deem to be 2nd class citizens.
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/04/02/gop-lawmakers-oppose-reauthorization-of-violence-against-women-act/
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/04/02/gop-lawmakers-oppose-reauthorization-of-violence-against-women-act/
Our Cons also spent an inordinate amount of time and effort promoting the Christian verision of sharia law here. Talaban wannabes.
The Christian Taliban here have their own biblican mandates for honor killings.
http://answeringchristian.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/honor-killing-was-inspired-from-bible/


BTW honor killings are prosecuted as murder here.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:47:22 AM
2nd class citizens..thats funny...illegal immigrants are not citizens...nice try with the propaganda though
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:51:37 AM
twisting what reality EP?

the fact is that none of you will grab that bull by the horns. as i said nothing can be mentioned
on the side of the fence that you belong to without mentioning christians.

youse are petrified to tackle the question of islam and women.

'honour' killings are treated as murders here as well strangely enough. youse lot prefer nice
easy targets.

im sorry mate but as far as i can see youse as frightened to tackle the subject of islam and
womens rights. you do yourself no favours by turning a blind eye.

christian talibans christian sharia law lol how disingenous

there was plenty chickenhawk talk on other threads now lets all do the ostrich

i await the canadian onslaught lol

when your heads in the sand your arse is in the air. makes a tempting target

the war on women lol aye right then.
 balrog67
Joined: 4/1/2012
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:56:37 AM

while mccarthy was a jerk, he has been exonerated.


Someone may have been duped by Evans book....

No, he has not been exonerated. You note 4 people that were actually guilty of something and conveniently ignore the thousands that were painted as 'Commies' by this insecure, attention-whoring alcoholic facsist. That's equivalent to "I shot these 500 teenagers with hoodies on and see?? - 3 of them were actually criminals! I MUST be exonerated!". Shit, even a broken clock is right twice a day. McCarthy was RIGHT that there might be some Pinko Commies in government. He was WRONG about the ACLU, the Democratic Party, and the US ARMY, the State Department, as well of the HUNDREDS of private citizens and celebrities he blindly accused and subjected to blacklisting. His actions and tactics were about as American as Stalins. This is precisely why RFK rebuked him, as did his own party AND Father James Francis Cronin, the most outspoken anti-communist leader of the day.

For a real American Hero, you might consider this guy:

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men."
-Edward R. Murrow
 matchlight
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:42:02 AM
Someone may have been duped by Evans book....


You are off topic, but I will follow you just enough to rebut the baloney you're trying to peddle. I've read "Blacklisted by History," and it states carefully documented facts. Thousands of them. Those facts do not support what you are claiming. Who were these "thousands that were painted as 'Commies"--or did you dream them up?


He was WRONG about the ACLU, the Democratic Party, and the US ARMY, the State Department, as well of the HUNDREDS of private citizens and celebrities he blindly accused and subjected to blacklisting.


Once again, no specifics, but just a broad, misleading assertion. What "hundreds of private citizens and celebrities" are you talking about? It sounds like you're repeating the falsehood spread by the L.A. Times, Washington Post, and New York Times that *Senator* McCarthy was associated with the *House* Committee on Un-American Activities. And what, specifically, did McCarthy ever say about the ACLU that was false?

He was dead right that Stalin had managed to riddle dozens of offices of the U.S. government, including the State Dept., with many dozens of Communists and Soviet agents. And parts of the Defense Dept. had also been penetrated. Prominent Democrats lied through their teeth and concealed evidence left and right to cover for the gross negligence, especially during the Truman administration, that allowed this to happen.

Joe McCarthy was threatening to expose the fact many important Democrats had deserted their posts in the early days of the Cold War, and their political allies set out to ruin him to cover their rear. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Alger Hiss, Klaus Fuchs, and in Britain Kim Philby, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, and other agents were only the tip of the iceberg of a huge Soviet espionage network in the West. It did immense damage to this country's interests and security.

His actions and tactics were about as American as Stalins.


That is your completely uninformed opinion only.


Father James Francis Cronin, the most outspoken anti-communist leader of the day.


If you mean *John* Francis Cronin, that is a very inaccurate description. And if he said anything about McCarthy, you don't specify what it was, or give any evidence that it was accurate.

In a way, all this is relevant to the phony "War on Women." It shows how leftists have just as little regard for the truth as they did in Joe McCarthy's day. They believe their goals are so noble, that any amount of lying is justified to achieve them.
 BalderDog2
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:49:52 PM

You are off topic


In a way, all this is relevant to the Republican's "War on Women." It shows how the right now has just as little regard for the truth as Joe McCarthy did in his day. They believe their goals are so noble, that any amount of lying is justified to achieve them.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:55:13 PM

In a way, all this is relevant to the Republican's "War on Women." It shows how the right now has just as little regard for the truth as Joe McCarthy did in his day. They believe their goals are so noble, that any amount of lying is justified to achieve them.


There is another relevance...in that Republicans deny the assault on women...just as the fascists wish to rewrite McCarthyism...McCarthy an American hero-not in your wildest dreams.
 part deux
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Posted: 5/7/2012 1:11:03 PM
What's really off topic, is referencing the treatment of women in Iran, in a discussion about bills in the US, that affect women in the US.
BTW, did you mean *President* Obama, when you said Mr. Obama?
Still waiting for the evidence that women in the United States enjoy more rights and freedoms than women anywhere else in the history of the world.
 BalderDog2
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Posted: 5/7/2012 1:33:04 PM

What's really off topic, is referencing the treatment of women in Iran,


That is an example of a typical tactic of misdirection used over and over and over again by that particular poster. He's got nothing else.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:23:08 PM
More from the Republican Christian Taliban.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/05/05/wheres-your-shame-woman


"One thing I know for sure, without a doubt, women cannot handle power," says Peterson, in a 12-minute tirade posted to the "bondinfo" YouTube channel recently as a part of the Reverend's "Exploring Your Destiny" video series.

"It is not in them to handle power in the right way," he continues, "they don't know what to do with it."....

"It's not real power anyway ... it's all ego-building. Real, true power come [sic] from God, and God is the one that gave man the power and authority over the wife, and to spiritually guide the world in the right way to go."


"I hope that once [black people] hear the truth, they will pull away from the Democratic Party and their godless leaders," Peterson told the Huffington Post. "When you tell them the truth first, they become upset ... They think if you're black and conservative, you're an Uncle Tom. Once you let them yell and scream and carry on -- because they will carry on -- and when they calm down, they understand."

"Women are now degraded. Women have no shame," Peterson laments in reference to Sandra Fluke's courageous congressional committee testimony. "This woman's sitting there testifying about ... all the sex they having [sic] ... and it's really all about maintaining the freedom to kill babies in the womb."

"all these women are into all this stuff [sex out of wedlock] with no shame - women would not have done that in the good old days."


"And if you speak up about it, Satan got [sic] it set up - through the women - that you're gonna be punished in some kind of way."

The Reverend is certainly not going to play into the Devil's hands by refusing to speak his mind when it comes to the inherent, abysmal flaws of shameless women.


"They can't handle stress. They can't handle anything. You walk up to them with a issue [sic], they freak out right away. ... They go nuts. They get mad. They get upset - just like that. They have no patience because it's not in their nature. They don't have love. They don't have love."

"I think that one of the greatest mistakes America made was to allow women the opportunity to vote. We should've never turned this over to women," Peterson complains. "And these women are voting in the wrong people. They're voting in people who are evil who agrees [sic] with them who're gonna take us down this pathway of destruction. And this probably was the reason they didn't allow women to vote when men were men. Because men in the good old days understood the nature of the woman. They were not afraid to deal with it. And they understood that, you let them take over, this is what would happen."

"this gay marriage thing," losing our right to bear arms, freedom to "speak truth," ... all this debauchery "because women are in a position of power."

"Wherever women are taking over, evil reigns."

More at link, including video if you can stomach it.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:29:12 PM
hello

scotland calling

war on women

not war on AMERICAN women

''That is an example of a typical tactic of misdirection used over and over and over again by that particular poster. He's got nothing else.''

well give an answer then instead of burying your head in the sand ostrich. your reply is a typical quacking
in the pants because its uncomfortable for you to take to task

because you lot are petrified does not make the problem go away

show me where in the thread title it says war on AMERICAN women?

misdirection lol aye right. do the ostrich

''What's really off topic, is referencing the treatment of women in Iran, in a discussion about bills in the US, that affect women in the US.''

yes indeed.

where does the thread title say women in the united states?

do the ostrich

funny how folk with loads of wind to let out suddenly clam up at certain subjects.

wish there were white feather smileys

the islamic taliban

"Honor killings," as the phenomenon is known, usually involve women being murdered, usually by brothers and fathers, for having sex outside marriage, dating, refusing an arranged marriage, wanting to go to university or even having been raped. The practice is not uncommon in traditional, male-dominated Arab societies.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,1244406,00.html


psssst bury your head in the sand and he might go away lol

cowardly custards *

*scottish expression before someone gets all hissy and tell tale ish
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:34:45 PM

show me where in the thread title it says war on AMERICAN women?

From the OP's first post:


From the hundreds of anti-women's rights bills, to the name calling, shutting out women in giving testimony, and politicization of womens health care in general, it's becoming widely accepted that there is indeed a war on women, prominently from the far right of the US. Seeking to set back women's rights and health care decades or in some cases a century or more, the attacks on women via legislation is escalating to an obsecene level with yet more absurd bills...


Does that say women of the world to you or is it mostly focused on women in the US?
 DameWrite
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:48:18 PM

How far do you think this will go before the war on women implodes on itself or will we do that slide back decades? Will serious numbers of women desert the GOP for good over this assault?


It has imploded on themselves and will again and I say yes, serious numbers of serious women will desert the GOP.
The trouble is there are still nitwits out there who think the boys know better about what's good for them, so they might follow their husbands and sell themselves out.

It's all crazy...but the GOP's war on women is absolutely disgusting.
 balrog67
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:49:34 PM

You are off topic


I actually agree. I'll open a seperate thread when I can justify the time to further expose your biased, myopic sophistry regarding this Great American Hero....
;-)
 balrog67
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Posted: 5/7/2012 2:53:15 PM

war on women

not war on AMERICAN women


Geez dude, try and follow the ball -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 5/7/2012 3:06:10 PM

It has imploded on themselves and will again and I say yes, serious numbers of serious women will desert the GOP.
The trouble is there are still nitwits out there who think the boys know better about what's good for them, so they might follow their husbands and sell themselves out.

I disagree as not that many women will leave the GOP as people who associate with parties for the most part do so because of the way they are wired and therefore they do not leave as they agree with the justifications and see it as necessary.

What you do get though is a motivation from the other side to vote as the swing voters make the difference.


This is why you will always hear many of the Republican talking points focused more on a doomsday scenario with Obama winning and not so much about their guy, because they know that within their base fear sells.

It is a proven fact that Conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals, thus meaning they are more receptive to fear based propaganda.
 irishlab33
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Posted: 5/7/2012 3:20:10 PM
Good Lord Dude. Do you even read what you post?


It is a proven fact that Conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals, thus meaning they are more receptive to fear based propaganda.


From the scientist that conducted the study that your "PROVEN FACT" (you are deliberately misleading) is based:


Kanai did caution against taking these findings too far, as there are many uncertainties about the associations the researchers saw. For instance, which came first — the brain structures or the political views? One might also note that brain structure can be shaped over time by experience, and that some people are known to change their views over the course of a lifetime. Past research has shown, for instance, that counter to stereotype, as people age, they become more liberal.

"It's very unlikely that actual political orientation is directly encoded in these brain regions," he said. "More work is needed to determine how these brain structures mediate the formation of political attitude."
 DameWrite
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Posted: 5/7/2012 3:53:28 PM
The science of the vote...My view.
Campaigns are packaged to please the inner child in us, a lot of YES'S and few NO'S .

In their plan, it won't even matter once they are elected that much, just a little courtroom charade stint. Prison terms? Naw, they have each other covered...after all they are all "family", but which family?

The question is...do we please these bullies? Is it their turn is it again?

It's their game.

The sad reality is that child killers rule. We can't support that any longer.
Until people get that in their gut, this "play of choice" (the electoral process) will be acted out at a profit for them, and at the expense of you and yours. Politics are for them, they that think they know better...show them they don't.
Rule thyself.
 matchlight
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:01:59 PM
do not allow them to call you names like slut and whore.


Not even if she begs you to say things like that to her during sex? Seems sort of uptight.


Use your voices, and get louder than Hell.


Some women can get so loud it's almost frightening. You find yourself wondering if the police are going to be knocking on the door any minute, wondering if someone's being harmed.


A great woman once stated that "women need men like fish need bicycles."


Who was that, anyway--Bella Abzug or Janet Reno? I've met quite a few women who needed men all the time. One of them used to tell me she thought the natural place for a man was on top of a woman. Out of respect, of course I never argued the point with her.


Do not allow them to denigrate you based on your physical appearance.


Conservative women tend not to have that come up as much--Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Ann Romney, Heather MacDonald, Kristi Noem, and several Fox commentators . . . but the leftists have Hillary "Her Thigness" Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Donna Shalala, Elena Kagan, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, Rosie O'Donnell, Janet Reno, and similar.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:29:26 PM
Subject:
[quote Conservative women tend not to have that come up as much--Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Ann Romney, Heather MacDonald, Kristi Noem, and several Fox commentators . . . but the leftists have Hillary "Her Thigness" Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Donna Shalala, Elena Kagan, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, Rosie O'Donnell, Janet Reno, and similar.

Excellent point on shallowness. Skinney brainlessness over substance for the far right.
 part deux
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:32:55 PM
Hey Match, rolling around in the mud suits you.
 fivefingerspleaser
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:48:29 PM

Do not allow them to denigrate you based on your physical appearance.


Conservative women tend not to have that come up as much--Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Ann Romney, Heather MacDonald, Kristi Noem, and several Fox commentators . . . but the leftists have Hillary "Her Thigness" Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Donna Shalala, Elena Kagan, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, Rosie O'Donnell, Janet Reno, and similar.


apparently lightmatch prefers these 'rightist' women for his masturbatory fantasies , perhaps a penchant for S & M or B & D, being sub to these obvious Dommes, Ann Coulter would break him like a little boy

or maybe because she and a number of the others resemble M2F trans, or are built in a more 'masculine' way than most women -half my male neighbors have larger breasts than that, not surprised she never had kids, you need breasts in order to breast-feed?
 matchlight
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Posted: 5/7/2012 6:03:21 PM

Skinney brainlessness over substance


Yes, it's stunning how brainless tax lawyer Michele is. And Ann Coulter is notoriously slow on the uptake--God knows how she ever made it through even a third-rate law school like Michigan. Heather is a pure airhead, too--don't let all that about the Manhattan Institute and the things she publishes fool you.

You are right about one thing--there is no shortage of substance on the left. Very hefty.
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