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 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
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@myyawn


Gas was $1.84 a gallon when he took office


On what planet? Gas hasn't been that low since the late 1990's when Clinton was in office! Lay off the Kool-aid!


Well I am from earth and I can prove my statements unlike most of the statements fro the lefties.

Here is the link.

http://news.investors.com/article/604221/201203131849/obama-restrictive-oil-policies-lead-to-higher-gas-prices.htm


When Obama entered office in January 2009, a gallon of unleaded gasoline went for about $1.83. Today, that same gas goes for $3.53 — a 93% increase. Some of it, of course, is the Iran crisis. But, as the American Petroleum Institute (API) notes, that's not the main problem. Obama's policies are.


Want more.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/voters-blame-president-for-gas-prices-experts-say-not-so-fast/2012/03/12/gIQA8fsO8R_story.html




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2858640/posts


Obama's Limits On Oil Output Cause Higher Gas Prices
IBD Editorials ^ | March 13, 2012
Posted on Tue Mar 13 2012 1812 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Kaslin

Energy: President Obama says Newt Gingrich "isn't telling the truth" when he claims he could cut the price of gas to $2.50 a gallon if elected. Well, the price of gas when Obama took office was $1.83 a gallon. Was that a lie?

'There's no silver bullet" for high gas prices, the president said Monday. This is utterly false. The "silver bullet" for anything in short supply is to make more of it, which lowers the price — something Obama steadfastly refuses to do with oil.

When Obama entered office in January 2009, a gallon of unleaded gasoline went for about $1.83. Today, that same gas goes for $3.53 — a 93% increase. Some of it, of course, is the Iran crisis. But, as the American Petroleum Institute (API) notes, that's not the main problem. Obama's policies are.

"Gasoline prices are higher today at least in part because government has neglected to pay sufficient attention to the importance of producing more of our own oil and natural gas," said API Director Erik Milito.

President Obama likes to brag that oil and gas output has risen during his term. True, but he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Output, according to a new API study, "increased in 2011 over 2009 only as a result of growing production on state and private lands — up almost 29% for oil and 22% for natural gas."

By comparison, on federal lands, which Obama's administration controls, production fell 7.9% for oil and 6.8% for natural gas over the same period.



So as you can see the price of gas was in the 1.80's when the anointed one took office and his new Energy Secretary wants it above 6 bucks a gallon.

Sir my facts are correct......so where does that leave your comments?


 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 27
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:39:20 PM
@PK


Lets say a woman declared herself to be a democrat, but she was against abortion....... Do you really think that those democrats who actually believed in their party would be so open minded and loving about that?


The democratic party (not that I'm a fan ) still contains pple with a wider array of views than the GOP does. There are many Catholic women (at least in the NE /USA), who are staunch democrats and are not pro-choice, and they fare just fine because they are not making the kinda noise about it the way the "religious right" does within the republican party in their attempt to demonize those who don't see things their way!


I can tell you that the republicans would still take in the lady who believed that others should have the right to an abortion.


Which repubs are those? Newt, Sant, or Perry? Perhaps Romney, but he doesn't stand for much of anything to begin with. The only time The GOP would have "taken in" this hypothetical lady you speak of was during the Richard Nixon years!


This is the third recession I have been through, and the other two wee pretty much over in about 2 years or so........... there is no end in sight to this one.


I like to be more optimistic; so far the economic indicators of the 1st quarter have been looking decent (not great, but okay); there has been a modest spike in job creation and purchases made in the month of Jan & february and Wall st is happy about it.The stock market is on the upswing. I'm hoping we don't hit any big potholes: I'm not too happy with Obama either but I have not written off the Obama regime yet, considering what he inherited! Under the Gwb adminstration, we were under a recession most of the time, and tried his best to play it down as much as they could, until the bottom fell out in mid 2008.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 28
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:39:46 PM
double post
 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 6/27/2009
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:08:01 PM

There is no "war on women." The only thing more condescending then limiting birth control pills is men from other parties sitting there thinking they have to swoop in and save us poor little girls in the Republican party. We can vote and stand up for ourselves. If I felt my basic liberties threatened, I would vote for another party.

Thank you, lovelikewinter!

I resent being told by supposedly "tolerant" people that I am a stupid idiot for deciding for myself what I do and do not believe in and support, just because I don't agree in lockstep with everything in their agenda.

If there's so much liberal concern for the female gender, why is there no concern for the female fetuses who are aborted?
And why is it called a "baby" if it's wanted, but a "fetus" if it's not wanted?
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 30
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:08:52 PM
@myyawn

You are right; I stand corrected (even tough the price in NY never went below 2.20).

But the drop in oild was artificially concocted by the Gwb adminsitration in 2008 in their effort to try to get McCain to win the election in 2008. Let me show you the prices:

January 1, 2008—New York, Times Square celebrates the New Year by dropping the ball for the 100th time.

January 2, 2008—The day after New Years saw crude oil prices at a record $100 per barrel, with regular unleaded fuel costing an average of $3.05 per gallon.

January 4, 2008—General Motors unveils that it has lost an automotive record of approximately $38 billion during the 2007 year. Little did they know, the worst was only yet to come!

April 21, 2008—Gasoline prices jump to a record $3.50 a gallon in some parts of the U.S.

May 15, 2008— While many people were shocked at $3 a gallon, they were not prepared for what was about to happen as prices shot up to nearly $4 a gallon. Public hysteria sets in as consumers begin using Gas Buddy to find the lowest gas prices in town.

May 21, 2008—Oil price skyrockets to $130 a barrel. Holly cow!!!

June 9, 2008—Retail gas prices rise above $4 per gallon.

June 15, 2008—Speculators continue to push the price of crude oil. Consumers begin to literally run out of gas attempting to stretch their dollar. Hybrid vehicles are becoming a hot commodity. Stories of gas stations running out of gas begins to circulate, creating greater hysteria among the public.

July 7, 2008—Crude oil prices settled-in at a new record of $147 per barrel. The U.S. average price for regular gasoline climbs to an all-time high of $4.11 per gallon. Road trip style vacations are put on hold for many summer travelers.

Aug. 5, 2008—Oil prices fall below $120 a barrel. Treehuggers search for the good within the escalating gas prices.

Sept. 15, 2008—The barrel continues to drop below $100 a barrel for the first time in six months. The idea of a serious financial industry recession is discussed as the market literally begins to melt down!

Oct. 16, 2008—Oil prices fall below $70 a barrel, which is less than half of its July peak. Signs of $1.99 a gallon gas brings celebration to the masses. Some consumers begin to talk about dragging out their gas guzzling SUV's and Winnebago's for the first time in months.

Nov. 3, 2008—U.S. Gas prices drop to $1.72 a gallon. Some gas stations even roll out a $.99 cent promotional deal. Treehuggers question whether the sudden drop is as good as most consumers seem to think it is.
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Does it not seem FISHY that the price dropped so dramatically in just a few months prior to the 2008 election? That was the GOP persuading their "oil buddies" to cut the cost per barrell!

there was no way in Hell that the oil industry was gonna keep oil that cheap for long, after the 2008 election was over as they would have lost millions in revenues. Unfortunately, Obama does not have the same sway with "big Oil" as the Bush & Cheney" boyz do!
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 31
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:09:11 PM
double post again!
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 32
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Posted: 3/13/2012 9:03:42 PM
I wasn't gonna jump on here, but the oil sh1t being discussed is bat-sh1t crazy!

If we doubled our current production, it might affect the market a small amount. You republicants do realize, this is one of your favorite policy's in action, the free market!

Obama doesn't set the price of oil, the market does. If china and india want to buy more oil, the price goes up, if Iran wants to close the straits of Hormoz the price goes up. If OPEC wants to reduce production the price goes up.

Speculation on the price of oil, has increased by over 400% since 1980. Prior to the first oil embargo in this country, the majority of trading in oil futures was done by refiners and oil companies. Now the vast majority is banks, brokerages(thank you goldman sachs) and speculators.

Another issue is the squeezing of refiners. They haven't been able to pass cost increases to distributors. So instead, refineries are shutting down, creating a bottle neck for supplies and further driving up gas prices.

Maybe and this is a big maybe, washington could increase the margin on which the contracts trade, driving out some speculators. But if your sitting billions like the banks and GS do, they will still speculate and assume it's the cost of trading.

Do you really believe BP, Exxon, Chevron and the other oil companies would only sell domestic production here, if they could get a better price overseas? Again that would be the free market at work.

Grow up and understand the issues your talking about.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 3/13/2012 11:05:43 PM
Yeah, it's that simple.


No, it is not.


They want to be a Church? They can have all the religious exemptions they want. The minute they hire people, the minute they open a business, they aren't a church any longer, and they got no right to gripe about business rules.


That's your opinion, and nothing more. I've noticed you have a habit of stating how you think things *ought* to be--but are not-- as fact. You made this very same claim recently, and I explained in detail, citing several Supreme Court decisions on this issue, why it is false. Yet now you claim it again.

Laws can and do exempt hospitals, schools, and other businesses affiliated with religious organizations in various ways without violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. I will be happy to prove that by citing the cases again.


Outrageous? Not accoring to the law.


What law are you talking about? Do you really imagine legislatures can redefine murder just as they please, blithely ignoring the common law definition it's acquired through hundreds of years and tens of thousands of legal decisions? There is a lot of case law on that issue, including Supreme Court decisions. There is no way in hell a state law punishing abortion as murder would survive a due process challenge in ANY court.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:01:46 AM
double post...
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:03:12 AM
miyawn67...nice hijacking attempt. Listen to you guys in 2008 on oil prices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEnKdBAb_o&feature=share

ThinkinginCA... Judydentures kinda hit the nail on the head in his defense of the poor, poor, pitiful decline of us white males, because women are using birth control. It's not about women. It's about sperm receptacles and their role in maintaining the white male dominance.

The elder white gents who wrote the Constitution did not have equal rights for women and minorities much in mind. Women knew their place back then. It took until 1910 for women to finally get the right to vote, a hard fought battle. And since the Equal Rights Ammendment and Roe V. Wade, lots of guys think things went too far and now empowered by recent electoral gains, this is a last ditch effort to methodically and quickly reverse gains in equal rights, particularly reproductive rights. Notice the lack of legislation targeting male reproduction by contrast.

It does not matter if you are bleeding to the point of anemia, cramping painfully for a week or more, had plans to get a Doctorate and a career, or prone to growing cysts that can kill ya, the important thing is to keep those eggs ready to receive our sperms to perpetuate the dominant white male leadership. Contraception is unpatriotic doncha know. Sacrifices must be made. Screw science and medical experts. The issue of women's reproduction rights and health must be decided by male panels and male dominated legislators, holding their bibles and flags, guys who desire a return to the 1950s or a couple of centuries earlier.

Those who deny there is a concerted assault on women's rights are either clueless, not paying attention, in denial or part of the assault. For all the self righteous pandering about women's rights in the rest of the world we need to pay attention to the backlash at home. Or in the words of a woman who makes conservative heads explode...

“Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me,” she told an adoring crowd at the Women in the World Summit at Lincoln Center on Saturday. “But they all seem to. It doesn’t matter what country they’re in or what religion they claim. They want to control women. They want to control how we dress. They want to control how we act. They even want to control the decisions we make about our own health and bodies. "

“Yes,” she continued to applause, “it is hard to believe that even here at home, we have to stand up for women’s rights and reject efforts to marginalize any one of us, because America needs to set an example for the entire world.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/dowd-dont-tread-on-us.html?_r=2
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 36
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:06:50 AM
Great post. I did not see anything attacking republicans, but if the shoe fits.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 37
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:11:25 AM

And why is it called a "baby" if it's wanted, but a "fetus" if it's not wanted?


I dont care what anyone calls it. I care that children are not born into unwanted conditions, that women do not die from back-alley procedures, & that women have sovereignty over their own bodies.

For everyone that is anti-choice, i would like to know how many unwanted babies you are caring for. And i certainly hope you are doing your darndest to provide love & care for all the unwanted children, & advocating for social programs for these children.

(Funnily enough, most anti-choicers abhor the government supporting children. They are only important while in the womb. After birth? Dont wanna know about ya)
 Casper66
Joined: 3/2/2007
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:15:17 AM
I have no use for any of these politicians, so much time and effort is wasted on interfering in people's private lives and trying to do end runs around abortion laws, then not wanting to provide free or affordable birth control, where do they think babies come from anyways and I don't see them going after these baby daddies, it does take two to make a baby. Is it a war on women, for some politicians, yes I think it is, if the really wanted to save children, they would promote better adoption policies making it easier to adopt, proper sex education in schools and easy access to birth control for both girls and boys, wishing young people are going to abstain from sex doesn't help and then trying to bully women into keeping babies they don't want or can't take care after the fact is counter productive and does nothing to solve the problem.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:53:19 AM
i found these wee public service snippets from the bbc regarding women, i
dont think the pc stasi would allow them these days. and to think its old aunty
beeb airing them

tsk tsk

this one is

''woman know your limits''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=LS37SNYjg8w

this one is

''women, dont drive''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qdhbkTko4&feature=related

and this bizarre one is called

''look, listen and take heed, women keep your virtue''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgzxk7Rd-Q&feature=related


this one certainly would not be tolerated

''the conjugal rights guide''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ivsb79-h90&feature=related
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 40
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:30:06 AM
There is no "war on women." The only thing more condescending then limiting birth control pills is men from other parties sitting there thinking they have to swoop in and save us poor little girls in the Republican party. We can vote and stand up for ourselves. If I felt my basic liberties threatened, I would vote for another party.

Thank you, lovelikewinter!

I resent being told by supposedly "tolerant" people that I am a stupid idiot for deciding for myself what I do and do not believe in and support, just because I don't agree in lockstep with everything in their agenda.


And yet, for all your claims that theres no war on women, we have this, and others like it.

"Arizona House Bill 2625, authored by Majority Whip Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if they seek contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment."
http://www.statepress.com/2012/03/12/senate-judiciary-committee-endorses-controversial-contraceptive-bill/

What business is it of your boss what goes on between you and your doctor, and your insurance company? it's YOUR body, not his/hers. This give an employer carte blanche to FIRE you for whatever reason they feel like because you don't fit their "morals". This is a slope we don't need to be slipping down. Because it opens the door for employers to abuse their employees for any reason at all, under the grounds it violates their "morals". Too fat for their eyes? You're a glutton, it's a deadly sin, you're fired and you're not covered by the insurance. You show too much ankle, or cleavage? Your boss can demand you wear a burkha. See how that works? Not to mention how it violates EVERY patient privacy law.

Notice it doens't mention anything about men? Nothing about Viagra? It's directly targeted at women. Now, you can sit there and lie to yourselves all you like, but this IS an attack on women, and womens rights, and it's highly regressive. If you lot wish to live in the dark ages once again thats your choice, but the rest of us here in the 21st century want to stay here.

Let the GOP get away with this nonsense, and there won't be a whit of difference between the Theocratic America and the Taliban.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 41
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Posted: 3/14/2012 8:59:33 AM
Nope not at all its about religious freedom... the problem you all have with it is that women and men would have to pay for their own contraception.. viagra is not contraception... men who get a vasectomy and want to have insurance pay for it would have to fill out an affidavit as well.
I bet you didn't even read the Bill..

Doesn't say anywhere about firing people..

You all act like your primary concern is women's health if that is the case then you shouldn't have to worry about this bill if they have a medical condition that requires contraception as treatment then they will be allowed to have that
 Ispysomethingyou
Joined: 6/22/2011
Msg: 42
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Posted: 3/14/2012 9:04:06 AM
The fact of the matter is abortion is murder. While it may be convenient to murder your child in the womb because you don't feel like taking care of it, doesn't change the fact that it's still murder. You may want to murder your own child in the womb cause you got raped, but it's still murder. It would make you worse than the rapist. I don't understand the mindset of women who think its okay to murder other than using "group think", because it's legal it makes it somehow okay, because 50,000,000 abortions happened since 1973, its somehow okay???? Oh and Christian and pro choice is an oxymoron. Oh and the founder of planned parenthood wanted to "white wash" America. Oh and if you have an abortion your an idiot! LOL
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 43
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Posted: 3/14/2012 9:14:17 AM

The fact of the matter is abortion is murder. While it may be convenient to murder your child in the womb because you don't feel like taking care of it, doesn't change the fact that it's still murder. You may want to murder your own child in the womb cause you got raped, but it's still murder. It would make you worse than the rapist. I don't understand the mindset of women who think its okay to murder other than using "group think", because it's legal it makes it somehow okay, because 50,000,000 abortions happened since 1973, its somehow okay???? Oh and Christian and pro choice is an oxymoron. Oh and the founder of planned parenthood wanted to "white wash" America. Oh and if you have an abortion your an idiot! LOL
What kills me is people like you that shouts from the roof top on how it is murder and women shouldn't abort the fetus but as soon as the child is born you guys are nowhere in sight, what about children who are abused? what about the neglected? while its easy to sit in your ivory tower and condemn the women, you are not in their shoes, what if the mother has the possibility of death( because of some complication or illness) if she goes ahead to full term? there is a lot of what ifs? so before you start to condemn these women for making a choice, walk a few steps in their shoes.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 44
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Posted: 3/14/2012 9:28:53 AM
"The War on Women"

^^^Is this some sort of sci-fi movie or show that I had not heard about just yet? Where exactly is this War on Women taking place? How many troops, tanks, planes, support vehicles been sent to battle this so called "Women." Also, why would someone who is not even a woman, believe that there is a war on women? Doesn't one need to be a woman to know if said woman is having war waged on them? How can this be? We as a free people need to arm and support these poor women that are being invaded by enemy troops. This sort of thread would do well to be on Comedy Central. The idea of it sounds like South Park material. The War on Women.....What a bunch of crap. Well so far I have not noticed any of my female neighbors, digging underground shelters and signing up for the civil defense. OF course, they would be offended to have someone that is not even female to speak for them, or to think they needed defending. Most of them have the common sense to have their conceal and carry permit, that way they have the freedom to defend themselves. Because they know better than to expect feminized men to come to their rescue.
 Ispysomethingyou
Joined: 6/22/2011
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Posted: 3/14/2012 9:48:22 AM
I had a friend who had an abortion because they doctor's told her that she would die if she carried the baby. She later told me she wishes she would have had someone there like me to talk her out of it. We would give our lives for our children, why should it be different while they are still inside of our bellies?.....Oh and what if someone is abused as a child??? are they better off dead because they don't have an ideal childhood? Who are we to decide which child is better off dead? Are the lives of the innocent less deserving to live than you or I? I don't get the rationale.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
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Posted: 3/14/2012 10:06:17 AM
I think you missed my point Ispysomethingyou, but that is okay, so I have to ask , is your friend a idiot for getting a abortion that saved her life?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 47
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Posted: 3/14/2012 11:24:39 AM
1) when the GOP and various religions claiming to support it, spend as much time against the Death Penalty killing people, and war killing people, as against the killing of fetuses..then I'll agree, they are the party of Jesus. 'Til then, they sure do seem to think some killing is a lot more "equal" than other forms of killing, as the saying goes. And for those who want to argue "self defense", there's alternatives to the DP and we knew Iraq had no WMD before we went in, we failed at Tora Bora to do what we claimed we went to Afganistan to do, et cetera.

2) when did the latest war on women start? When the GOP couldn't win on the economy. and $2.50 for gas? please, demand is down, supply is the highest its been in decades b/c we're importing it to countries that pay more for it, which is why gas won't go below $80 per barrel--when its that low, it can't be pulled out of the tar sands and make a profit. So, with those issues 0ff the table, what did the GOP have left in its bag of tricks? well, fear always worked, but Usama bin Ladin's dead and Willie Horton doesn't work anymore. the Tea Party is split between libertarians who don't want the gov't telling them what to inhale and what to do with their bodies...and the religious zealots who want gov't out of the boardroom and into the bedroom--but won't move to the Vatican, where they can live with that.

so, that leaves the moral outrage.

3) funny how Rush Limbaugh can call a woman a slut, but won't say boo about Bristol Palin or Gingrich's mistresses (who must have used birth control, how many children does he have with all these women?). some women are just more equal than others, again.

4) the women are already leaving the GOP, for the same reason Hispanics are going (according to practically any poll you look at):they don't like the red meat being handed out. But how long will they stay away? until the Dems create a moral outrage, like another one not keeping his fly zipped.
 want to travel
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Posted: 3/14/2012 11:29:14 AM
Hold on here,Did they take the voting rights of women in the USA??,
I must have missed that 30 sec. sound bite on CNN!!
What we in western society must stop doing is regarding women as victims
they have all the rights men do, and in some cases more
if they want a theocracy in Kansas, that would mean the women voted for it too!
they should not have any womens rights movement, women have arrived, and have done so for quite a long time now
what kills me is often, womens rights are much more important then the rights of children
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 3/14/2012 11:32:11 AM
Response to msg 59...... Do you speak for all Hispanics and women. Do you have personal experience in the matter that such parties are leaving the GOP? Rush can call anybody anything he wants to. I don't recall any Bristol, Gingrich calling the media whore(I say this because she will make money from book deals and speeches to support her cause) Miss Fluke a slut. Do you have an eye witness account of this happening?

Now were is this War on Women taking place? Because I want avoid the areas that this is happening in, so I won't get caught up in the crossfire and what not.

Good Grief I thought that it was 2012. Some folks must think it is the 1950s 60s 70s 80s and 90s.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 3/14/2012 11:36:53 AM
"Hold on here,Did they take the voting rights of women in the USA??"

No not yet, but seeing the voting laws in TX, AL, MS, SC and other states, restricting Latinos, people of color, seniors and college students, it won't be long till they the republicants get around to it.

If they can't get their agenda by one way, they will try an end round, and try another.

Rights are only good in some peoples eyes if they agree with that person's agenda, in most republicant states, when it comes to voting, some peoples "rights" are a four letter word!
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