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 Aries_328
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And yet some of your ilk feel that when a woman becomes pregnant that she is the only responsible party to the act as she did not use birth control...and these ppl feel that a man has no responsibility for his lack of birth control...well, ya can't have it both ways...either the man is responsible or he has no say...but not both at the same time.


That is a totally false representation of reality.
http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/childsupport/california/

You can go calculate a fathers responsibility now. A male has responsibility by law from before the child is born. There are 'some people' that may feel a man has no responsibility but again there are people that feel they have twin spirits in multi-dimensional space. That doesn't make it the norm nor does it make their existence justification for basis of social rule.



And back to abortion....and that the conservative base is so concerned about an egg-fertilized or not-yet, have no sense of responsibility to the born child...why else would the GOP want to take away healthcare for children in poverty...do away with school lunches....remove funding for public education.

Why is it misguided to tell the parents of these children to be responsible and why does 'the public' have to pay for everything and in doing so where is the requirement that what is paid for should in any way make the recipient feel entitled to the money?


And I ask again: which one of you conservatives are foster parents...have adopted an unwanted child...have provided prenatal assistance to a young unwed pregnant woman...could just one of you raise your hand???sadly, there isn't one of you.

What is the point of this question? Why would you expect to find Conservative parents that adopt children on a singles dating site 'off topic' forum? That is like panning for gold in the sewers and then determining that gold must not exist anywhere in the world.

There is far great societal harm done in the providing of unrestricted and free abortion then in the current status quo. If the only choice is to ban abortion or make it free and unrestricted then the only rational choice is to ban it and then allow the court cases to permit back to a reasonable level. Unrestricted and free is the acceptance of mass murder and extermination of the poor and under privileged and even worse is that it would occur willingly without regard for consequences.

You can make a case for social harm for banning abortion but there is a stronger case of social destruction in free and unrestricted scenario. Sorry if you are uncomfortable with my view. That doesn't make my view unsupportable and wrong. It is also in no way a 'war on women' nor on reproductive rights. Those are false and misleading claims. The war is against leftism and free (publicly paid for) and unrestricted (without limits of term) and the ability to call this society civilized and humane.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_true_extremist_on_abortion.html#ixzz29rVefvKb

Until 2008, the Democrat Party position was that abortion should be rare. But with Obama's presidential run, the "rare" term was dropped, and the Democrat platform, presumably strongly influenced by Obama, came out in complete support for all forms of abortion


Oy

Those that do care, and do for those less fortunate, are NOT the green stamp christians we find in the republican party!!! Green stamp christian? Oh those are the ones who go to church each sunday, and collect the years like books of stamps to turn in at the pearly gates. Yes they go every sunday and for a WHOLE HOUR, are christian!!


Would you at least consider a moment the 'beneficiaries' of free and unrestricted abortion?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202831.html

Although abortion rates have declined among all racial and ethnic groups, large disparities persist, with Hispanic and black women having the procedure at rates three to five times the rate of white women.


While you make generalizing claims that all women should have access and rights and choice you can not dismiss the free and unrestricted and that the majority of those would be poor Hispanic and Black and that is a form of racial eugenics. It just is. If the majority of customers are poor Black and Hispanic women then the end result is that a disproportional larger number of Black and Hispanic babies will be aborted. If the argument works towards prison population and racism why doesn't it apply here?

You don't have to have a strict and narrow list of 'morality' nor is it required to derive it from biblical texts. You don't have to believe that there is anything such as right/wrong, good/evil, justice/injustice. You can just as easily say that nature defines no societal laws and it is no different to put a knife in someones back then it is to put a knife in the chest. I doubt you can make a clear case justifying no morality and a total lack of definition of right and wrong. Free and unrestricted is lacking in social morality as well as objective morality and should be rejected on its face. There is no reasonable position that fits within the construct of human rights where it can fit as a socially normal and accepted practice.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 552
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Posted: 10/20/2012 12:45:21 PM
And yet some of your ilk feel that when a woman becomes pregnant that she is the only responsible party to the act as she did not use birth control...and these ppl feel that a man has no responsibility for his lack of birth control...well, ya can't have it both ways...either the man is responsible or he has no say...but not both at the same time.



That is a totally false representation of reality.


Oh really...well, apparently you don't read what those of your ilk post:

post #571


Just as you want to impose your views on those women who are pro life..what your side always seems to conveniently forget is that were it not for a Choice made by a woman she would not find herself in need of an abortion...
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/20/2012 1:13:41 PM
It doesn't make much difference if a person opposes abortion as long as the Supreme Court continues to recognize it as a constitutional right. The way it stands, a state can limit that right in ways the Court has sketched out in its decisions, but it can't ban abortion completely. The way it should be is the way it was before 1973--what a person thinks about abortion should matter only in his own state, and only if he is in the majority in that state.

Whether I or anyone else favors abortion on demand, or opposes abortion under any circumstances, or anything in between only counts under those conditions. No one has the right to make his views the law either where he is in the minority, or for people outside his state. Except where there is a valid constitutional basis for making a thing a federal issue, we all have to hold to that rule to keep government authority legitimate--to live under the rule of law and not under judicial fiat. Abortion is *not* a constitutional right, except by the decree of five judges--if enough Americans want to make it one, let them do it by amending the Constitution in the proper way.

The real authoritarians are not the opponents of abortion who want their views to be the state law wherever they are a majority. They are the so-called liberals who want to force every state in this country to make abortion legal, even where a majority does not want to. These modern-day Puritan scolds have convinced themselves that as the moral guardians of us all, they have the right to push the less enlightened around.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 554
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Posted: 10/20/2012 11:28:30 PM
"The real authoritarians(nice word btw) are not the oppentents of abortion"

Really? So if an extra maggot was named to the Supreme Court, the republicants, wouldn't try and take advantage of it, and try a national law or legislation against abortion? Hahahahaha!

We have been there, got the t-shirt...what is it now 30-40 laws passed by the house to date on banning abortion?

So to be clear, since you are soooooo unbiased, you would be OK with some woman being a felon in say Indiana, Missouri, Kansas for having an abortion, but it would be fine in NY or CA? Nice try! But it would be easy to pass a law that would make it a crime, if they permanently resided in one state but had it in another...

WTF, is worng with you people...are you that stupid that we can't see through your bullsh1t?

How bout it's legal in all states, and you guys against it, don't do that? It won't screw with your values, and others can do as they please? easy peasey!

Come to think about it, haven't we been down this road before? Hmmmm, seems to me we have! Didn't we do this with slavery? Free states and slave states? Hmmmm, didn't we have a civil war about that kind of issue? "These modern-day Puritan scolds" sounds an awful lot like what slave owners said when a similar issue came up...it seems to me! Hahahahahahaha!!!

Gawd you FL's can make shit seem like honey! Hahahahahaha!
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:10:20 AM
It is extremely easy to see the initiative being put into place by extreme religious right republicans if you live where I live. There is a new pregnancy testing facility on our main road that was recently added and a deadly silent looking parking lot where planned parenthood has been for many, many years (newer building a couple buildings down from the old one). They have had this in the works for a good while. Like so many other supportable health initiatives in Texas for women, I highly suspect that not many women will actually be served like planned parenthood actually has.


Texas to Shut Down Women's Health Program if It Includes Planned Parenthood
Saturday, 20 October 2012 13:19 By Andrea Grimes, RH Reality Check | Report


Planned Parenthood.(Photo: Mary Helen Leonard / Flickr)As Texas prepares to launch its new state-funded Women's Health Program on November 1st, the state's top public health official announced yesterday that the Health and Human Services Commission has officially adopted rules banning abortion "affiliates" from participating in the WHP. The rules are intended to ban Planned Parenthood from participating in the program, despite the fact that the health care provider has historically provided care to more than half of the WHP's enrollees in years past, and despite the fact that the program itself deals not at all with safe abortion care and is explicitly directed at women who are not, and do not want to be, pregnant.

HHSC Executive Commissioner Kyle Janek told reporters on Thursday that he was "confident" the state could find providers to fill the gap left by the exclusion of Planned Parenthood, but that he couldn't "guarantee" that would happen on November 1st.

What Janek can guarantee is that the state will shut down the WHP entirely if the Planned Parenthood ban is found to be against the law, effectively holding hostage the care of the 115,000 Texans who rely on the WHP for pap smears and contraceptives. The adopted rules include a "poison pill" clause that would immediately shut down the Texas program if judges rule in favor of Planned Parenthood in their pending lawsuit against the state claiming the exclusion is unconstitutional.

"If the courts say you have to include Planned Parenthood, then yes, it goes away," Janek told reporters.



http://truth-out.org/news/item/12228-texas-promises-to-shut-down-womens-health-program-altogether-if-it-includes-planned-parenthood
 Aries_328
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:57:47 AM
^^^^ Well, I guess the end of the world has occurred. Please keep us updated with the mass amounts of unwanted human beings and please post awful things about them as well as how poorly society has failed to provide for them and left them to die in poverty and humiliation and general ... oh wait... that didn't happen.

Well, at least keep us updated of the thousands of humiliated women that had a baby they hate. Society needs this information desperately.

Thanks.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 557
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Posted: 10/21/2012 5:26:17 AM

...Please keep us updated with the mass amounts of unwanted human beings and please post awful things about them as well as how poorly society has failed to provide for them and left them to die in poverty and humiliation and general...

So true only about 1500 kids or so die of abuse of neglect each year in the USA.

And of the ones that don't only about 1.5milllion of them runaway or are a victim of a throwaway episode.

Now you can considered yourself informed.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 10/21/2012 7:00:30 AM
Women are not cattle. They are not your property or anyone elses property. They have value way beyond servicing you or anyone for that matter.

The year is 2012.

It is as if you want to go back to the 1950"s.

Well if you want to do that then you need to understand that means taxes need to rise for those making more money some as high as 90% of their income.

Sound good to you?

Texas has notoriously low wages, almost no union protections, and employers that like to dole out part time work instead of full time work.

Planned Parenthood provides many more services then simply abortion referrals for these women's general health needs. In fact, abortions are a very minor amount of what they provide. They provide mammograms, pap smears (you know- cancer prevention) and help these women to be able to actually plan their families so as not to be bringing children into the world before they are able to take care of them. That means less unwanted, abused, and neglected children being born.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 10/21/2012 7:15:46 AM

Please keep us updated with the mass amounts of unwanted human beings and please post awful things about them as well as how poorly society has failed to provide for them and left them to die in poverty and humiliation and general ... oh wait... that didn't happen.


Oh puleeze...one only need look at the blight of the major inner cities of America to see children in poverty...and the republicant answer to supporting these children is to attempt to take away these childrenb's health insurance, remove school lunches, and public education funding. Again, the republigant answer is to be more interested in the potential life my sperm holds and ignore the children who are alive-now.


Well, at least keep us updated of the thousands of humiliated women that had a baby they hate


What a total crock of shyte post...many parents have children they cannot afford nor truly want...yet, they have these children out of a sense of responsibility...and love them dearly...many men and women decide, collectively, not to have an ubnwanted child and go thru their lives with a great sense of regret...and perhaps there are a very few ppl who abort a child without an ounce of concern-a very few....still, it is their decision-not some uber-conservative white guy who gets to make the decision....and it is these ppl...who chose life who raise these children...or live with the knowledge of an aborted child...

So, it is this attitude of the uber-conservative white guy, who thinks that every abortion comes with no difficult choice of the parents or woman who was pregnant...what a crock of shyte view-point.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 10/21/2012 7:51:45 AM

So, it is this attitude of the uber-conservative white guy, who thinks that every abortion comes with no difficult choice of the parents or woman who was pregnant...what a crock of shyte view-point.


and

Oh puleeze...one only need look at the blight of the major inner cities of America to see children in poverty...and the republicant answer to supporting these children is to attempt to take away these childrenb's health insurance, remove school lunches, and public education funding. Again, the republigant answer is to be more interested in the potential life my sperm holds and ignore the children who are alive-now.


and



So true only about 1500 kids or so die of abuse of neglect each year in the USA.

And of the ones that don't only about 1.5milllion of them runaway or are a victim of a throwaway episode.


and


Women are not cattle. They are not your property or anyone elses property. They have value way beyond servicing you or anyone for that matter.


Are the basic principles of your positions. I get it. I hear you.
I understand that you solution to this issue is to call the unborn child tissue and to remove it. It was never going to have a human life anyway so it isn't human and there are too many of them anyway so nip the problem in the bud. Simple. It's really that simple of a solution. The last one needed. A... final solution to the problem if you will. Totally rational.

The totally amazing thing about this solution is how it benefits society. Obviously those that really need this answer are poor, under educated and are hardly equipped to suffer any more burdens in their dark lives. They will be freed up from the burden of their mistakes, accidents, or just poor decisions and that will lesson the burden on our great and caring society for having to assist. It is economically sound.

Another unintended consequence is how it also helps to cleanse the genetic makeup of our cities. Unattended the poor and uneducated centers of our noble cities can be the largest centers of population growth. This plan will allow this trend to reverse and return to a more stabilized growth of those that plan more adequately and thus fore would most likely be of higher quality intelligence.

Now... Don't forget. I have never said that I personally want to make it illegal. My position was that it must be left legal due to health concerns for those that really see no other option for themselves and that there are restrictions on term and that it is more than tissue; it is a human child.

Come on now. Do you really hold the view that the only position of conscience is free and unrestricted abortion?
Be honest now.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 561
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Posted: 10/21/2012 7:55:53 AM
Imagine this: same hospital, same day....
--one woman comes in to deliver a wanted baby prematurely...the baby is born, struggling to live and breathe. A team of professionals works to stablize and save the child successfully.
--another baby at the same gestational stage of developement as the first is aborted, it is alive and struggling to live and breathe but ignored in a metal pan until it expires.
---who are we? who are you? sign up.
---these are questions that we should not condemn each other for considering an answer to, but we should answer them.


As a human, who is allowed to make my own choices on these matters, I chose life when it was my time to chose....yet, I've no desire to make this choice when it comes to someone else...this is their decision...not mine...not the states...not the governments...

I have also been a foster parent and have adopted a child...yet, I notice the republigants haven't been raising their hands to tell us how many children they've fostered or adopted...it's all about control for them...they wish to demand a woman give birth...and after that the kids on his/her own.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 10/21/2012 8:25:46 AM

some of the same people who support freedom of choice in abortion or unlimited and paid for abortions, are the same one's who get in line to be felt up by the TSA. Violation of your person is ok because it keeps you safe---


I don't see the corallation between a woman's choice to have a child or an abortion and preventing a terrorist attack potentially killing hundreds...but, whateva...and I've never been felt up in a security line...then again, I don't fit the profile.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 10/21/2012 8:42:24 AM

Come on now. Do you really hold the view that the only position of conscience is free and unrestricted abortion?
Be honest now.


You act as if women pile in abortion clinics by the millions happily waiting to alleviate their symptoms with visions of their next illicit quest dancing in their heads.

Until you are capable of becoming pregnant yourself, might I suggest that you recognize that it is a woman going through this horrible task of making a decision that is emotionally and physically draining to her. Many times the request to seek an abortion comes from the very man that they thought loved and cared about them.

We were blessed with three infants just recently, three abandoned kittens. My daughter decided to get some items to make them more comfortable so we went to the pet store to buy bottles, kitten food, and toys for them. When we got to the checkout my 3 1/2 year old granddaughter was asked if we had a new kitten. My granddaughter said yes. I told the clerk that we ended up with three kittens as the mother abandoned them. The clerk then told me that she has heard the same thing a lot lately.

I guess the recession has hit cats hard too.

I doubt anyone is going to blame the cats for abandoning their litters or call them under educated and in need of genetic cleansing. I would imagine though, if it were me abandoning the kittens I would be considered an animal abuser.

No matter what the seed planted is considered, these are real people with real hearts having to make hard decisions based on their own beliefs. Beliefs that are often drilled into them by outside influences way before they can come to their own independent ideas about what is and what is not life. DO NOT discount these women who are the main body suffering through these ordeals.
 MacInOC
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:10:22 AM

As a human, who is allowed to make my own choices on these matters, I chose life when it was my time to chose.


Spewing BS? With regards to abortion, dude, when was it ever your choice to chose life? Not your choice, got it?
I apologize in advance if you are talking about suicide, war or something else nebulous like this.


one only need look at the blight of the major inner cities of America to see children in poverty...and the republicant answer to supporting these children is to attempt to take away these childrenb's health insurance, remove school lunches, and public education funding.


I've seen and worked in the inner cities of LA (long ago when they were worse). I get it. They are extremely poor.

The economy is equalizing out globally(you've all heard of the "global economy"). How? Simple, jobs going over seas, and until salaries and prices (housing, food, gas, etc) lower closer to global levels, we can not be competitive globally. For most (the middle class), the U.S. quality of life is decreasing quickly and adjustment going slowly.

What does this mean? Again simple, American's right now can not afford to "adopt" all the poor families . Really, how many people have the extra cash to pay an extra housing rent, and feed the poor, pay their medical costs and the rest of the ever increasing government dole? Sorry, this is the reality of the future.

The answer? Once again simple, jobs. Change the economy for the better for everyone. So that quality working folks can afford to supplement the poor, hire the poor, or the poor can help themselves.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:28:32 AM

DO NOT discount these women who are the main body suffering through these ordeals.


Do not discount what a society that does not hold human life as one of the absolute highest values is capable of.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:30:50 AM

With regards to abortion, dude, when was it ever your choice to chose life?


LMAO...someone who's on a dating site and clearly does not know the nature of relationships...

Well, let me explain some of the basics of a true relationship...when my deceased wfe and I were pregnant...and yes, we both were....we...and I stress "we" chose to have that life born together...and "we" both chose to adopt a child "together"..

Now, all you republigants, who want to chose for others, whether or not to have an abortion, which one of you is/was a foster parent or adopted a child...well, let me answer for you...NOT one fvckin one of you...hypocrites
 MacInOC
Joined: 2/19/2012
Msg: 567
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:34:29 AM
I really don't follow the abortion debate. It was decided and unlikely to change in the near future. I am not really for nor against pro choice. But this seems to be a big part of the war?

That said, I thought I would google abortion statistics.

UNITED STATES
Number of abortions per year: 1.21 million abortions were performed, (2008)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,315


1 in 4 pregnancies end in abortion? Wow, I admit I'm very out of touch with these numbers. Not sure what to think. Two quick thoughts. Men and women - do a GD better job using contraceptives. And 25% lucky guys not supporting unwanted (assumed) children. Wearing either my Dem or Rep hat, all can say is wow, just wow.
 MacInOC
Joined: 2/19/2012
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:46:13 AM

LMAO...someone who's on a dating site and clearly does not know the nature of relationships...


Really now. A bit pompous.


and I stress "we" chose to have that life born together

But the reality of it (I know you don't like reality, LOL) your wife could have chosen differently and you could not have done a d*nm thing about it. Sorry to burst your delusional bubble world.

Supporting my two children, putting them both through college and living the"house wives of Orange County dream", I was not able to adopt (although OC CA being in the upper % salaries bases in the U.S. has supported many with taxes).
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/21/2012 10:15:07 AM
It shouldn't surprise anyone to see that leftists want more abortions, the lion's share of which are performed on black women. Since the late 1800's, eugenics was one of the pet projects of the progressives, the philosophical forbears of today's so-called liberals. These ideas inspired people like Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who was very much concerned with preventing poor black women from reproducing.

American writings on eugenics also caught on in Germany. In time, these ideas grew and were used by the Third Reich to justify the elimination of undesirables in the name of racial purity. After this had given eugenics such a bad name as a means of eliminating undesirables, the progressives' followers were forced to shift their focus to contraception and abortion.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 10/21/2012 10:41:05 AM


LMAO...someone who's on a dating site and clearly does not know the nature of relationships...



Really now. A bit pompous.


No, not pompous...I see you as one of those ppl with a failed relationship who has no clue why the relationship failed...as shown by this statement:


your wife could have chosen differently and you could not have done a d*nm thing about it.


Well, perhaps...but, let me enlighten you about what a true good relationship is all about since you don't know...it's about making decisions "together" as a family (something you don't understand)...it's about respecting each other and commitment to each other (something you clearly do not understand)...I know...it's like teaching a log...neither you nor it will learn...but, I've tried.


Supporting my two children, putting them both through college and living the"house wives of Orange County dream", I was not able to adopt (although OC CA being in the upper % salaries bases in the U.S. has supported many with taxes).


How noble of you to do what a parent does...as to not a being able to adopt...why exactly...were you unfit??? Oh, and I live in Connecticut which has the highest incomes as a state in the Union...we pay our share.


It shouldn't surprise anyone to see that leftists want more abortions, the lion's share of which are performed on black women.


What an un-intelligent flawed conclusion...along with being a racist conclusion regardless of the statistics...ugly, is the only word I can think of that fits this post.
 59thShadeofGrey
Joined: 9/25/2012
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Posted: 10/21/2012 11:56:59 AM

These ideas inspired people like Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who was very much concerned with preventing poor black women from reproducing.


Yeah, because all Pro-Choice advocates are for eugenics..... but hey, thanx - I do likes me some false analogy.

Wait! The Reich hated Jews cuz they killed Jeebus! Christians hate Jews cuz they killed Jeebus!..... OMG! The linkage between Christians and baby-burning Nazis is herewith PROVEN!

Man, that was fun....
lol!
 MacInOC
Joined: 2/19/2012
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:12:20 PM
Bad Irish


I see you as one of those ppl with a failed relationship who has no clue why the relationship failed

let me enlighten you about what a true good relationship is all about since you don't know

as to not a being able to adopt...why exactly...were you unfit???


LMAO! Pompous to the point of entertainment. LOL. Thank you for that.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:48:43 PM

Man, that was fun....


I don't doubt that for a moment. I'm sure it's just the kind of very light mental exercise you'd find exhilarating.


The Reich hated Jews cuz they killed Jeebus!


I've never seen that offered as a reason for Hitler's hatred of Jews, and for good reason. It is based on the laughable assumption that he cared a damn about Christianity. In any case, American writings on eugenics attracted particular interest in Germany, where the ugly implications of their ideas were eventually revealed. The Nazis' mass executions of the retarded, the insane, habitual criminals, and other undesirables relied on the same "better the breed" reasoning American progressives had used earlier to advocate eugenics.

But you were having so much fun you never denied that the eugenics movement in America had a strong racial component, or that after it was discredited it was replaced by the movement for contraception and abortion, or that the proportion of black women who receive abortions today is unusually high relative to their part of the population. That makes me wonder if the strongest proponents of abortion may not have a bias against reproduction by non-whites, just as their predecessors the progressives had.
 OutofControlMan
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:59:48 PM

But you were having so much fun you never denied that the eugenics movement in America had a strong racial component, or that after it was discredited it was replaced by the movement for contraception and abortion, or that the proportion of black women who receive abortions today is unusually high relative to their part of the population


that little factoid MIGHT have statistical significance if you compare the rate of abortions vs. the rate of live births for both black & white women..a simple explanation for the higher rate of abortion in the black group COULD be that a higher proportion of black women get pregnant, or do so more often, and the rate of abortion per 100,000 pregnancies is not significantly different..between the two groups..did you bother checking for such a statistic? or is it more convenient to snip the numbers that you think help prove your "point" such as it may be?
 59thShadeofGrey
Joined: 9/25/2012
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:57:32 PM

But you were having so much fun you never denied that the eugenics movement in America had a strong racial component


I never denied it because like many things you write, it is completely irrelevant to the Pro-Choice stance you so cravenly cower from, choosing these pathetic red herrings instead.


or that the proportion of black women who receive abortions today is unusually high relative to their part of the population.


Gee, I wonder if economic standing or the legacy of slavery and its pogrom to keep minorities stupid and poor might have something to do with that.... nah. Pro Choice Americans are just racists. You win....
lol!
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