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 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 601
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OMG!!!!! Tonight we heard romney say, he wanted equality for women, in the middle east!

WTF about women here? He never said a freakin word! He only wants to get them OK overseas, here he wants a return to the 17th century!
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 602
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Posted: 10/22/2012 8:31:04 PM

OMG!!!!! Tonight we heard romney say, he wanted equality for women, in the middle east!

WTF about women here? He never said a freakin word! He only wants to get them OK overseas, here he wants a return to the 17th century!


OMG!!!! How unsurprising, context doesn't reach through four-ply skulls.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 603
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Posted: 10/22/2012 10:25:07 PM
"How unsurprising, context doesn't read through four-ply skulls."

Agreed! You can't lead the ill informed no matter how you try! 'red necks unite'! It can't be that romney made his own waterloo...by his endorsement of Obama's policies?

I know you will not agree, but what has he shown as 'his own'? He thought it better to goober smooch the president hoping that he loses no more people, than to stand up and speak his spineless mind.
 MacInOC
Joined: 2/19/2012
Msg: 604
The War on Women
Posted: 10/23/2012 2:55:40 AM

OMG!!!!! Tonight we heard romney say, he wanted equality for women, in the middle east!

WTF about women here? He never said a freakin word! He only wants to get them OK overseas, here he wants a return to the 17th century!


Get a clue. The debate "context" / subject was 100% FOREIGN POLICY. Staying on the subject ....

Who do you think the middle east men hate more - the U.S. or women?
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 605
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Posted: 10/23/2012 4:51:02 AM
ok then aa what part of this alleged war on women is not somehow related to abortion?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 606
The War on Women
Posted: 10/23/2012 5:38:03 AM

ok then aa what part of this alleged war on women is not somehow related to abortion?


Oh un-informed masses..let me give you one of many answers...The GOP's assault on a woman's reproductive healthcare thru countless pieces of legislation proposed in both congress and at the state level.
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 607
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:03:46 AM

Yes, it does take two to make a baby, but it sure is interesting that the bulk of single-parent households are overwhelmingly headed by single mothers. In addition, it should be noted that single-mother households make up about 80% of the poverty in the U.S. (If I may quote Democratic Senator Evan Bayh from a speech on the issue that he made on the floor of the Senate). Based upon a study done by the University of Wisconsin, women who raise children alone for more than ten years are 55% more likely to live in poverty in their retirement years. In addition, when a woman has a child with a man outside of wedlock, the likelihood that the father will be involved in that child's life is less than 25%. If the "baby-daddy" is in the child's life, it is more likely that he will do so if the child is a boy. In fact, even in divorce, fathers are more likely to maintain a relationship with a son than a daughter.


I know this,that is why I believe the woman has to make the choice


,Yeah, I've been robbed several times. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be sure to only go out during the day light hours, because, after all, if I get robbed it would be my fault. Women just shouldn't go out at night unless escorted by a male relative. Thanks for the advice, Torvald...or is it Alec d'Ubervilles?


Yeah I,ve been robbed as well.Some places I wouldn't revisit.


...And as far as an idiot from the 'burb comment goes...lol...I suppose that little dig was really directed at me since I live in the 'burbs..I guess the subtle insult was really some under handed way of calling me a hick or something...just a suggestion, you probably shouldn't make assumptions about people based upon where they live, but then again, you are a Democrat...and Democrats are very much into value judgments, pedigrees, college affiliations, and designer zip codes...but FYI, I was living in San Francisco at the time that I was once mistaken as being "the receptionist"...and I have been asked to get a cup of coffee on more than a few occasions...once, while living and working in Manhattan, once while living and working in Los Angeles, and yes, when I was once living and working in Chicago - multiple times there, btw. I'll leave out the personal anecdotes of female friends, co-workers, and female family members...


No,the idiot from the burbs would be the male.I was raised in the burbs as well but that doesn't mean you can't expand your world once you get out there.The majority of these women about to have an abortion were not personally connected,but I would rather not discuss this.....although I am once again facing this after the 18 year old kid just gave me the news on the weekend....his gf is 17 and has already had two abortions....
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:46:43 AM
Women make up a little more than half the electorate in this country. So the constituencies of whatever Republican state legislators who are proposing these laws are probably at least half women. Doesn't quite fit the leftist myth that women are helpless victims being oppressed by narrow-minded men who want to keep them in their place.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 609
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:49:33 AM


Women make up a little more than half the electorate in this country. So the constituencies of whatever Republican state legislators who are proposing these laws are probably at least half women. Doesn't quite fit the leftist myth that women are helpless victims being oppressed by narrow-minded men who want to keep them in their place.


it does if they're indoctrinated . .from the time of their first purity ball
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 610
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:53:20 AM

...Doesn't quite fit the leftist myth that women are helpless victims being oppressed by narrow-minded men who want to keep them in their place.

In case anyone was wondering.

Here is what said narrow mind men might look like:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oJxBpF7FFqQ/Tz10KIaMt9I/AAAAAAAAA7w/e54qIz7-pSU/s1600/Republican+Conressional+Hearing+on+Women%27s+Health.jpg
 ORALROBERT2
Joined: 10/18/2012
Msg: 611
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Posted: 10/23/2012 11:45:43 AM
All that posturing. All that posing. A canadian caring about women in US having to buy their birth control. How heart warming. And yet still never a date. Not even a message. Yeah, we care dude.
 NDTfan
Joined: 6/5/2012
Msg: 612
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:06:39 PM
People seem to forget that pregnancy and childbirth are not safe for women and that every time they decide to go through with a pregnancy they're risking their lives. Nobody else should get to make that decision but her.

Not lawmakers looking for votes.
Not religious extremists with fake concern and control issues.
Not petulant men whining because they begrudge women autonomy as punishment for being expected to pay for dates.

Just the woman in question.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 613
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:41:59 PM

All that posturing. All that posing. A canadian caring about women in US having to buy their birth control. How heart warming. And yet still never a date. Not even a message. Yeah, we care dude.

Joined: 10/18/2012

Obvious troll is being obvious.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 614
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:47:10 PM

Joined: 10/18/2012

Obvious troll is being obvious.


LOL...I cannot comment about a profile here...it's against the rules...snicker...snicker...suffice it to say...consider the source.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 615
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Posted: 10/23/2012 5:35:29 PM

The GOP's assault on a woman's reproductive healthcare thru countless pieces of legislation proposed in both congress and at the state level.


does that translate as reducing the general taxpayer's responsibilities for some one ELSE's reproductive choices?, i.e. having the person involved pay for birth control , abortions etc. rather than the taxpayer

if so, 'assault' is a rather strong term to use
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 616
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Posted: 10/23/2012 6:20:33 PM
In all my years on the net, that has got to be the most obvious trolling I've ever seen..........lol.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 617
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Posted: 10/24/2012 4:02:35 AM
I've read that the average cost of maintaining a child in foster care runs in excess of $50000 per year....that would cover lots of reproductive health choices for lots of women.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 618
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Posted: 10/24/2012 4:53:46 AM
ok so according to most of you the "war on women" is actually a war on "reproductive rights" of women...Isnt abortion the cornerstone of reproductive rights according to most of liberals? so "the war on women" really is a war against abortion
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 619
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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:03:04 AM
...Isnt abortion the cornerstone of reproductive rights


You can't buy a clue...the cornerstone for reproductive rights is the ability not to become pregnant...of course, this obvious fact eludes ppl like you.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 620
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Posted: 10/24/2012 8:51:27 AM
Always a great day in the 'war'..richard mourdock of indiana said in his debate last night basically "god is OK with rape pregnancies"! Now he's trying to walk it back. hahahaha!

All this of course, while the mittster trying to stay in mittness protection, is worried about his ad endorsing this candidate. So it's all hands on deck, and dance as fast as you can, so that the story doesn't catch fire and spread across the map.
 59thShadeofGrey
Joined: 9/25/2012
Msg: 621
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Posted: 10/24/2012 11:11:50 AM
There is no war on women in this great Christian nation of ours. The bible makes it clear that if women just STFU and do what men tell them to, there is no need for any war......
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 622
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Posted: 10/24/2012 1:07:53 PM
...but ultimately it comes down to what the woman wants. When the man can carry to term, he can decide.


Yanno Rusty...ultimately, you are correct....though, I still believe, deep down in my heart, that my spouse and I collectively made our choice for life, and that there was no way, on earth, that she would have changed the discission"we" made...in my mind "we" were both pregnant, and she she went thru all the biological changes not me...on "our" childbirth day she cussed me for doing this to her...I didn't feel guilty at all.

The Mittster is pro-choice...now he's pro-life...now he's in the middle..which way is the wind blowing???that's where the Mittster will be.

Wanna debate a typo?
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 623
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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:51:44 PM

Every time someone brings up the topic of reproduction and rights - it usually becomes a war on women.


hellya . .


Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock became the latest Republican to stir up controversy – and potential trouble for the Romney campaign – when he said during a debate that "even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended to happen."


more conservative POS blathering
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 624
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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:50:28 PM
Insanity.

In determining the amount of assistance payments to a recipient family of benefits under the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) Program, the department shall revise the schedule of benefits to be paid to the recipient family by eliminating the increment in benefits under the program for which that family would otherwise be eligible as a result of the birth of a child conceived during the period in which the family is eligible for benefits under the TANF Program . [...]

Elimination of benefits under subsection (d) shall not apply to any child conceived as a result of rape or incest if the department: (1) receives a non-notarized, signed statement from the pregnant woman stating that she was a victim of rape or incest, as the case may be, and that she reported the crime, including the identity of the offender, if known, to a law enforcement agency having the requisite jurisdiction or, in the case of incest where a pregnant minor is the victim, to the county child protective service agency and stating the name of the law enforcement agency or child protective service agency to which the report was made and the date such report was made.

The language of the bill goes on to note that a sexual assault victim applying for an exemption will be required to sign a statement affirming she understands that “false reports to law enforcement authorities are punishable by law,” and stipulates that Pennsylvania will report any “evidence of false statements or fraud” to the correct department, all the way up to the Attorney General’s office.

Aside from punishing women who have children — particularly low-income women who may not have reliable access to affordable contraception — the proposed bill perpetrates a dangerous attitude toward survivors of sexual assault. Forcing women to prove the legitimacy of their sexual assault, and warning them about the serious consequences of “crying rape” to cheat the system, puts forth the misguided assumption that victims of sexual violence are not to be believed. Furthermore, countless women choose not to report their rapists to the police because they fear repercussions from their abusers, who could threaten their lives. An estimated 54 percent of sexual assaults are not reported to the authorities.

This is not the first type of legislation of its kind. Last month, New Mexico proposed a bill that would have required women seeking childcare assistance to prove they were “forcibly raped,” although Gov. Susana Martinez (R) has requested to remove that language.

http://www.alternet.org/pennsylvania-bill-would-reduce-food-stamp-benefits-women-who-cannot-prove-they-were-raped
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 625
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Posted: 10/24/2012 10:02:47 PM
^^^ Context

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2011&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2718&pn=4295

Read the fist line. Benefits shall NOT be eliminated.
They created a benefit specifically for those that were raped.

Now... If you think that is a bad thing and it should not exist fine but that isn't what you implied.

If you think it is okay then you must deal with fraud:

The benefit is for victims of a crime.
In order to qualify for the benefit you must be a victim of a crime
In order to claim victim status you must show that it was reported
If it was reported there must have been an investigation

The benefit implies that benefits can not be taken away. This makes it a target for fraud. If you only accept everyone that makes the claim the program is insufficiently protected from abuse. If you claim a crime as serious as rape and did not report it in any way and then use that crime as a justification to collect benefits then you can not use 'shame' as a justification for not reporting since... you are now self reporting by claiming the benefit. Rape is a serious crime. Claiming rape is equally as serious a claim.

There is a danger of false claims and that could be a justification to not allow this benefit at all. The damage done to an innocent person would be immeasurable and severe penalties and long jail sentences for those that falsely claim should be enforced.

Do you have a better idea? Mine would be to not have the benefit based on victim status due to problems on both sides related to evidence. However, this would mean that other qualifying factors apply and benefits can be taken away and reduced.




(f) Elimination of benefits under subsection (d) shall not
4 apply to any child conceived as a result of rape or incest if
5 the department:
6 (1) receives a non-notarized, signed statement from the
7 pregnant woman stating that she was a victim of rape or incest,
8 as the case may be, and that she reported the crime, including
9 the identity of the offender, if known, to a law enforcement
10 agency having the requisite jurisdiction or, in the case of
11 incest where a pregnant minor is the victim, to the county child
12 protective service agency and stating the name of the law
13 enforcement agency or child protective service agency to which
14 the report was made and the date such report was made;
15 (2) receives the signed statement of the pregnant woman
16 which is described in this subsection. The statement shall bear
17 the notice that any false statements made therein are punishable
18 by law and shall state that the pregnant woman is aware that
19 false reports to law enforcement authorities are punishable by
20 law; and
21 (3) verifies with the law enforcement agency or child
22 protective service agency named in the statement of the pregnant
23 woman whether a report of rape or incest was filed with the
24 agency in accordance with the statement. The Commonwealth agency
25 shall report any evidence of false statements or of fraud in the
26 procurement or attempted procurement of any payment from Federal
27 or State funds appropriated by the Commonwealth pursuant to this
28 subsection to the district attorney of appropriate jurisdiction
29 and, where appropriate, to the Attorney General.
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