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 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 51
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"No not yet, but seeing the voting laws in TX, AL, MS, SC and other states, restricting Latinos, people of color, seniors and college students, it won't be long till they the republicants get around to it.
If they can't get their agenda by one way, they will try an end round, and try another.
Rights are only good in some peoples eyes if they agree with that person's agenda, in most republicant states, when it comes to voting, some peoples "rights" are a four letter word!"

^^^Who is taking who's rights away? It seems to me that the lefties want to take the Catholics right of Freedom of religion away. Interesting, "rights" is actually a 6 letter word.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 52
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Posted: 3/14/2012 11:54:55 AM
"I don't know, Justcheckin', I hear the adminstration approved killing of two bald eagles for Indian religous ceremony....the first time in a while. Sound to me like they are doing their best to be accomodating to the religious....maybe soon, any religious. Say hello to Scientology.....or Santeria."

^^^ Awesome post. As far as "The War On Women" goes, I still don't see any of the women living in my neighborhood digging in and preparing for battle. They seem pretty content and happy. Of course I would not dare say that they needed me to speak for them all or come to their rescue, because some of them can shoot just as well as I can.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 53
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:01:54 PM
"the lefties want to take the Catholics right of Freedom of religion away"

Oh, OK, so then let me understand, you are saying, the right of religion(which btw I haven't seen the government edict cancelling mass) is more important than the secular right to vote? Nice side step to avoid the issue. NEXT!!
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:06:45 PM
@mejehoward:

<div class="quote"> it's a person's (or couples) right to decide this for themselves,

That may be your opinion, but it is not usually the law in the U.S. In many states, laws restrict the right of the mother to have an abortion. After the fetus is viable, state laws may even prohibit abortion, except to preserve the life or health of the mother.

There is no absolute constitutional right to abortion, such that it's no one's business but the mother's. A fetus is not quite like a bad tooth, to have removed as you see fit. State laws may balance the mother's right to abort a fetus against the state's interest in protecting the life of that fetus.

@Justcheckingfor1:

<div class="quote">Is this some sort of sci-fi movie or show that I had not heard about just yet?

That's a good question. The real reason the administration cooked this thing up is that Mr. Obama is in serious trouble. He can't run on his record, which is dismal. But he and his advisors know that single women are an important Democrat constituency. After all, they helped give us all eight years of that warm friend of single women everywhere--B.J. "The Horny Hick" Clinton.

So this administration's tactic is to divert attention from its many failures--and curry favor with single women--by making up a phony claim that Mr. Obama's opponents are waging a "war" on them. It's an insult to the intelligence of single women in this country.

It is this administration and this Congress that are waging the *real* war on single American women, and it is a war on their pocketbooks. And the polls suggest they are coming to realize it, every time they wince as they gas up their cars, shop for bargains in the supermarket, or put off buying that new pair of shoes.

@Bladesmith81801:

<div class="quote"> This give an employer carte blanche to FIRE you for whatever reason they feel like because you don't fit their "morals".

You criticize this law for letting employers impose their moral views on their employees. And yet you would impose your moral views on those employers, who are private persons themselves.

Why shouldn't a private employer be able to hire or fire anyone, for whatever reason, no matter how arbitrary? In the same way, no employee should have to justify their choice when they sign on with or leave a private employer. It's called "employment at will."


<div class="quote">Not to mention how it violates EVERY patient privacy law.

Really? I see you choose "not to mention how" it does that. I doubt it violates *any* such law.


<div class="quote">Nothing about Viagra?

I've read about Viagra, but I wasn't aware it was a contraceptive. What does it do, improve the ability but reduce the desire?


<div class="quote">Let the GOP get away with this nonsense, and there won't be a whit of difference between the Theocratic America and the Taliban.

Ah, another fan of the "theocrat" ruse--the baloney that refuses to die. Maybe it's because when you call someone a "theocrat," it sounds somehow like you must know your stuff. Is the Daily Kos pushing that term these days, or did you find it in some vintage Soviet propaganda?

Some of us can see there's not much difference between the Taliban and the "liberal" scolds who in their quasi-religious fervor want to run everyone's life. Ironically, most leftists are the very intolerant control freaks they love to paint conservatives as.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 55
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:20:05 PM
"Are women in your neck of the woods so dumb that they will shoot at those who take their side in an ideoloical battle? Are they also waiting for you to ban them from the workplace so that they can go back to the kitchen?"


^^^ NO, because then that would keep me out of the kitchen and them out of the workplace. Men don't have to work anymore, because now women can and are willing to put up with guys that don't. The women in my neck of the woods are smart enough to be self reliant and independent. However there are some who love being stay at home moms and such, and sure as heck don't want anyone messing with the deal they have. Because after they get divorced, they get to keep everything including the family dog, while the ex husband has to move, yet still pay the ex wife's bills.

"Think they know yet? Do you expect when they find out, that they will arm themselves to the teeth?"

^^^Either there is a "War" or there is not a "War." I am still waiting for any signs of this war taking place. I wonder how things are going on the battle front? It is 2012 after all. Those who live in the past, stay in the past.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 56
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:34:07 PM
"Well, since you're not a woman, I can understand how you wouldn't consider new legislation that makes a woman's life harder to be war."

^^^No worries I am against Sharia Law.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 57
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:48:07 PM
"Do you think that endears you to women? I mean, I appreciate it, but most probably wouldn't know what you are talking about....if they have any sense."

^^^LOL! Just like the subject of this thread, I have not seen any evidence of a War on Women. What I see are politicians making a fuss, to get folks to tune in on the TV and take sides so that they can say, my side is better than your side. I think many politicians on the right and left go home laughing their behinds off thinking "this will get em up in a roar" , with some of the stuff they propose.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 58
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Posted: 3/14/2012 12:59:42 PM
"Ah, maybe. But if everyone just ignores it because it's politicking, and the legislation that the right put in play passes out of apathy, who will bear the brunt of the joke?"

^^I don't see anything changing, and if it does, then it will be changed back when the next set of politicians come along.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 3/14/2012 1:36:47 PM

So you are totally unaware of sevral state legistatures introducing new bills to limit women's access to both abortions and contraceptives?


That's the business of each state, and no one else. But what reason is there to expect bills to pass if they harm women's interests, when women are at least half the electorate?

I hope you're not suggesting that women are too uninformed or apathetic to vote intelligently, or that they don't know what's in their best interests. That's pretty much what Ann Coulter thinks--I'm never quite sure she's joking when she calls for revoking women's suffrage.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 60
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Posted: 3/14/2012 1:46:37 PM
You want sites(cites?) go and look them up yourself, start at the supreme court who have barred some of these laws from going into effect, others have been stayed, due to earlier civil rights violations in the past(ya know the 60's, MLK, voting rights demonstrations...maybe you remember..oops I forgot, not a right wing issue so you won't).

Why would I ever retract the truth? No screwing with the truth is on you guys with birth certificates and questioning what someones religion is.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 61
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:13:00 PM
Cute..very cute! No you will find that the court has refused to let some of these voting rights laws be enforced or are being set aside, BECAUSE they violate civil rights in voting.

Look, no point talking about it here, it's a back door way to attempt to rig the election. Here everyone is busy trying to convince themselves and women, that the war on women doesn't exist, and is just a bunch poor humble folk, trying to practice their religion!

I realize the problem, it's tough to keep all the GOP dirty tricks and lies straight. You guys should have score cards or a play book, so you know the current lie to give for the particular issue.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:24:27 PM
go and look them up yourself, start at the supreme court who have barred some of these laws from going into effect, others have been stayed, due to earlier civil rights violations in the past


You made the claim--it's for you to back it up. But you don't, because you can't. You don't cite these supposed cases because they don't exist, except in your imagination.


I realize the problem, it's tough to keep all the GOP dirty tricks and lies straight.


In view of what you've claimed here, it's interesting that you would accuse anyone of being untruthful. I'm sure you didn't mean to misstate the facts about what the Supreme Court has held. I expect it's just a matter of believing things you imagined, or maybe dreamed, are really true.

VVVVV Edit below:

These bills are being presented against the will of the majority of their constituents. When women attain representative parity in such legislative bodies we would never see bills like these passed.


Oh, now I see. Some or even many of the state legislators that women, who make up half the voters in a state, helped elect to represent them are instead working to oppress them. Yet these women are so foolish, or such gluttons for punishment, that they keep electing these enemies of their interests anyway. Just imagine--a hundred twenty or thirty years of women voting in state and local elections, and ninety-plus years of full national suffrage, and here it's all been for naught.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:24:54 PM
These bills are being presented against the will of the majority of their constituents. When women attain representative parity in such legislative bodies we would never see bills like these passed. It is the growth of female equity that rekindled this culture war to try to put women's rights back a few decades or so. Imagine a female majority in state houses around the nation mandating mandatory colonoscopies, or uretra probes for men for basic health services and the outcry that would ensue from the pro-probe guys here.

This flury of legislation is not born of any concern for women's health, but quite the contrary to endanger their health and deny them reproductive rights. The folks behind this legislative agenda include some of the most misogynistic institutions in the US today driven by theocrats.
Reconstructionists
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html
Dominionists
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
Other dominionists
http://americanvision.org/5130/seven-mountains-dominionism-not-the-same-brand/
And corporate legislative tanks with theocratic influence.
http://www.winningprogressive.org/the-smart-alecs-who-are-writing-the-gops-laws
The Bishops
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/the-men-behind-the-war-on_n_1069406.html
The theocrat dominionists and corporations who own ALEC
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1044266/-ALEC-On-Corrupted-Sexuality?via=history
The spike since the theocratic teapublicans gained ground.
http://www.politicususa.com/the-dirty-thirty-march-2012-edition/
 part deux
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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:13:51 PM
EP, the war started a long time ago. Removing sex ed from schools was in my opinion the first step. The vilification of feminisim and feminists was the next. This vilification is especially effective as it pits women against eachother. Funny, when you ask people what they have against feminisim, usually you get a bunch of nonsense- they hate men, they're ugly, they hate pretty women, you get what I mean. Yet, they are unable to give one substantive instance of the policies of these so called 'feminazis'.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 65
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:37:33 PM

I hope you're not suggesting that women are too uninformed or apathetic to vote intelligently, or that they don't know what's in their best interests. That's pretty much what Ann Coulter thinks--I'm never quite sure she's joking when she calls for revoking women's suffrage.


No, but one can see from your post that you think Ann Coulter is spot on...and that you think women aren't qualified to vote..your post is transparent in that respect....and many of us feel this is the viewpoint of the GOP...women shouldn't vote...they should be kept pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen....fortunately, when the GOP feels women shouldn't vote...then many women vote Democrat.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 66
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Posted: 3/14/2012 6:55:31 PM

The fact of the matter is abortion is murder.


No, it is a "fact" for you: your truth, not mine.

By your logic, taking "innocent" lives is murder, eh? Then we need to stop sending our troops to war--they have done nothing to deserve dying, have they?

YOU are not responsible for the decisions that other women make about what happens inside their wombs, but when abortion is illegal, you will be responsible for desperate women dying because of knitting needles abortions performed in dirty back alleys as they used to be.


The vilification of feminisim and feminists was the next. This vilification is especially effective as it pits women against eachother. Funny, when you ask people what they have against feminisim, usually you get a bunch of nonsense- they hate men, they're ugly, they hate pretty women, you get what I mean. Yet, they are unable to give one substantive instance of the policies of these so called 'feminazis'.


Part Deux, I cannot agree with you more. I have heard the same bunch of nonsense. In fact, when I have told men that I am a feminist, some have told me that I can't be because I am attractive, don't hate men, and am not a lesbian. Of course, these were men who met me. Men in these forums have told me that I am a man hater because of my feminism.

I fear for the future rights of women. I have seen huge strides made in my lifetime, but now, I see a possible return to the witch burnings.

Oh, in that witch craze, the midwife was especially vilified because she could perform safe abortions and could offer (albeit ineffective) birth control methods. When effective anesthesia was perfected, women in childbirth were denied its use because it was their lot to suffer in childbirth. As Martin Luther said, ""If [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth--that is why they are there." http://freetruth.50webs.org/A3.htm
 onlydateIF
Joined: 11/15/2011
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:09:50 PM
I just want to thank you Earthpuppy for posting this in support of all women
 judydentures
Joined: 2/27/2012
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:10:50 PM
It's hilarious and sad that our broke ass country is having a debate about this petty nonsense. We will have to borrow more money from China to pay for Fluke's birth control pills.
Insanity.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:21:07 PM

No, but one can see from your post that you think Ann Coulter is spot on...and that you think women aren't qualified to vote..your post is transparent in that respect


Are you a clairvoyant? Don't presume to know my views. I can see statements in your posts that suggest you are biased against certain groups of people, but I don't come out here and claim to know that's true.


then many women vote Democrat.


Not the smartest and prettiest ones.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:25:38 PM
Whats insane is thinking you can tell that bare faced LIE once again and expect not to be called on it.

You ain't paying a damn thing for her healthcare, and I defy you to prove you have or this country has borrowed one red cent from China to support her.

And you know what? I'd rather see money borrowed for someone's health issues (Because this is not, nor was it EVER about having sex.) than for yet another god danged WAR that we didn't need.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 71
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:27:33 PM

Are you a clairvoyant? Don't presume to know my views. I can see statements in your posts that suggest you are biased against certain groups of people, but I don't come out here and claim to know that's true.


Really?


Not the smartest and prettiest ones.


And yet once again, right on schedule, you regurgitate yet another Right wing meme.

Good parrot. Have a cracker.
 part deux
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Posted: 3/14/2012 7:31:30 PM
Match,please keep your comments relevant, your opinion of "pretty" has nothing to do with voting. It is low and cheap to insult someones looks, and it does nothing to move the discussion forward.
Perfect example of my previous post btw, try to shut women up by calling them ugly.
 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 6/27/2009
Msg: 73
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Posted: 3/14/2012 8:19:04 PM
@ThinkinginCA - I don't know how you managed to jump to the conclusions that you jumped to from my post, but apparently as soon as you read something that you disagree with, you make assumptions about the person that may not be true. You did it to some other posters as well. And thus, you proved my points without answering my questions.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/14/2012 8:38:54 PM

It's hilarious and sad that our broke ass country is having a debate about this petty nonsense. We will have to borrow more money from China to pay for Fluke's birth control pills.
Insanity.


What is "petty nonsense" to one male, is life or death, a career, a death sentence, a cancer, a lifetimes as a single mom giving up her dreams, an abandoned sperm donor who refuses to pay his due, or worse leaches off the baby mom, extreme cramps, extreme bleeding...sorts of "nonsense" . To fall for the Dimbulb " borrow more money from China to pay for Fluke's birth control pills." ignorance shows that fetal damage lasts a lifetime and can affect society for decades. My gods...do you really belive the fecal matter that comes out of that mouth? Really?
 robin-hood
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Posted: 3/15/2012 1:22:33 AM
OyVay msg #86,

Are you saying democrats are mostly poor, and without ID's. They don't drive or are not educated enough to know how to obtain a ID. Then again you must think most republicans are wealthy. What about those who are moderates and register as independent ? Wouldn't you say this may be more aimed at the elderly who tend to forget their ID's or where they parked the car. Maybe its meant to scare away women who don't want to give up their real age ?

Here in California its the law that everyone carry a photo ID, and failure to do so could get you a few nights in the pokey. But then again some cities don't enforce the law.

I for one would like to see fair elections and eliminate fraud from all sides.
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