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 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 76
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"I hope you're not suggesting that women are too uninformed or apathetic to vote intelligently, or that they don't know what's in their best interests. That's pretty much what Ann Coulter thinks--I'm never quite sure she's joking when she calls for revoking women's suffrage."

^^^Exactly. There is no War on Women. All of this is just to take the attention away from the economy and the lack of new jobs being produced. If women's rights get taken away that would mean a lot of women voted for it to happen. Women can think for themselves and vote as they please, to think otherwise is very sexist. To claim that there is a war on women is also sexist. Women can vote and decide for themselves what they believe in and support without a male telling them to do so. Good grief. This so called "war on women" is a none issue, simply because women can vote, and if such things pass, then that would mean a lot of ladies voted for it and agreed with it. It is also very sexist for a male to think he needs to come to the rescue. Women can defend themselves, and good luck trying to tell one that she can't defend herself.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 77
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 5:54:33 AM

There is no War on Women. All of this is just to take the attention away from the economy


If there is no war on women by the GOP and the GOP is sooo concerned with the economy...then why after 4 years of President Obama's tenure has the GOP proposed so little legislation in the way of improving the economy, yet, has proposed so much legislation in controlling women???
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 78
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 6:02:41 AM
"If there is no war on women by the GOP and the GOP is sooo concerned with the economy...then why after 4 years of President Obama's tenure has the GOP proposed so little legislation in the way of improving the economy, yet, has proposed so much legislation in controlling women???"

^^^In what states are the GOP "controlling women?" Do you know how offensive that sounds? To think that a male can control a woman? Women have the right to control themselves. If this is going on the way you say it is, then MANY women have VOTED for it! Where is all this controlling of women happening? What a bunch of nonsense. Men are not the only citizens that can vote. Women can vote too. If there was no women who agreed with what the GOP is supposedly doing, then they would of never made it into office.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 79
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 6:58:05 AM
Women have the right to control themselves.


Grasshopper, this is the only thing you said that I agree with...but the simple fact is that the evangelical right feels that women cannot control themselves...they have no right to an abortion...that women who wish to use birth control are promiscuous...and in fact, the religious right feels anyone who engages in sex outside of marriage and not procreate are promiscuous....especially, those slutty women who need to be put in their place...barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen...only to excercise their voting rights to do as they're told...
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 80
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 7:08:35 AM
"Grasshopper, this is the only thing you said that I agree with...but the simple fact is that the evangelical right feels that women cannot control themselves...they have no right to an abortion...that women who wish to use birth control are promiscuous...and in fact, the religious right feels anyone who engages in sex outside of marriage and to procreate are promiscuous....especially, those slutty womken who need to be put in their place...barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen...only to excercise their voting rights to do as they're told..."

^^^All the religious right states this? Or is this the ones on TV? I had no idea that the ones on TV speak for every single religious right person in the country. That is like saying Stalin and Po Pot speak for all democrats. So in that scenario, they would have to also speak for the religious right women as well. Because without them, they would not make it into office. I don't know of one single right wing woman who has a husband that tells her what to do. Every scenario I have come across in person The Woman is the boss of the household. Not only that, they don't want some man hating feminist who wishes she was a man, messing up the deal that they have. I am thinking the religious right that you speak of is not the same religious right that I have been accustomed to in my neck of the woods. Some of those that you speak of are on TV shows meant for entertainment(media, news, shows The Old Time Gospel Hour, The History Channel) not only that, they have died out as well. What you speak of is a stereotype, it must be different where you live, because here, women have always been in charge.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 81
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 7:31:14 AM
I'm thoroughly amazed that you've been here for 7 months and haven't seen a single thread among the gazillions of threads from women who were in controlling and abusive relationships.

edit to include:


But I have witnessed some of my more conservative friends be chastised for holding the door open or opening the door for a lady.


Funny, I've been holding the door for women all my life and never encountered one of these "feminazi's" you speak of...and I come from the liberal democrat part of the country.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 82
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 7:39:35 AM
"I'm thoroughly amazed that you've been here for 7 months and haven't seen a single thread among the gazillions of threads from women who were in controlling and abusive relationships."

^^^Is this being done by conservative politicians, and every single right winged male on the planet? Did the women who dated or were in relationships not choose to be with these jerks who treated them that way? Or is every single man and woman a victim? How about the men who have been abused in their relationships? Are you saying that does not exist? Did these jerks who treated their so's like crap actually declare war on them as well? I don't hang out with jerks or gender haters. So I have personally never witnessed this. But I have witnessed some of my more conservative friends be chastised for holding the door open or opening the door for a lady. Only a left wing person would want to "control" another person. Do you mean to state that when someone chooses to stay with a jerk, instead of leaving them, that right wing politicians are to blame for this? If someone sticks with someone that treats them like dirt, they have no one to blame but themselves.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 83
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 8:32:30 AM

Do you mean to state that when someone chooses to stay with a jerk, instead of leaving them, that right wing politicians are to blame for this? If someone sticks with someone that treats them like dirt, they have no one to blame but themselves.


Spoken like someone who has clue about the dynamics of abuse.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 84
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 9:04:30 AM
"Spoken like someone who has clue about the dynamics of abuse."

^^^How in the heck would you know, unless you were abused yourself? You have no Earthly idea about things that I have been through. I decided to not be a victim. If others want to remain victims or be victims that is their problem. Those who live in the past stay in the past. What exactly does that have to do with this imaginary war on women. Where is this war supposedly taking place? Who is supporting this war? Are you saying that all politicians can win a office only by gender haters voting for them? How disrespectful that is towards women. They have a say and a vote in all of this, and would not appreciate being left out as you seem to indicate. Stop living in the 1960's. It is 2012 for goodness sake. To do other wise sounds like paranoia. Oh no! Such and such a state has representatives that have an opinion that is not of your own. Oh woe unto thee! Have mercy, there are politicians that say things to attract different factions of their bases... What a bunch of childish paranoid nonsense. Oh look, I think I see someone with a different point of view than yours. Everybody run, run, save yourself before people who disagree come out of the woodwork. LOL! HA HA HA HA!!


"Now having said that, I know you and others will never admit it. It's just not in your DNA, to admit the obvious. At a time when we have so many economic issues, so many problems with employment, that all that is brought up is womens rights issues and restrictive voting issues, is partisan politics at its best, and at worst a waste of those elected to govern's time."

^^^Interesting, if the economy is so important, why is the left so worried about a war on women and continually avoid being bipartisan, and working on a way to lower taxes, regulations that will stimulate the economy. Laws and regulations are there to take things away, not give things. Apparently the left is more concerned about birth control than the economy.

"Oy...it's never easy to admit one knows nothing about what they speak of."

^^^Funny I thought this thread was about going to war with women and against women. Where is this war taking place and who exactly is winning this war? How are these politicians getting into office without women voting for them?
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 85
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 9:20:04 AM
Only a left wing person would want to "control" another person."

??? How can you say that when republicans, who are in control of these various state legislatures, are passing laws like the one in Virginia? An invasive procedure, to foster to shame women, about abortion and contraception.

You can repeat over and over there is no war, not unlike the voter ID laws, there is an element of 'control' agenda being advanced by the right.

Now having said that, I know you and others will never admit it. It's just not in your DNA, to admit the obvious. At a time when we have so many economic issues, so many problems with employment, that all that is brought up is womens rights issues and restrictive voting issues, is partisan politics at its best, and at worst a waste of those elected to govern's time.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 86
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 9:21:42 AM

Now having said that, I know you and others will never admit it. It's just not in your DNA, to admit the obvious. At a time when we have so many economic issues, so many problems with employment, that all that is brought up is womens rights issues and restrictive voting issues, is partisan politics at its best, and at worst a waste of those elected to govern's time.


Oy...it's never easy to admit one knows nothing about what they speak of.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 87
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:43:07 AM
What will happen is all these right-wing nuts will finally take back women's rights to the age of stupidity (again) and then the very freakshows who thought this was a good idea will whine about women having no rights.

All anyone has to do is look at history (real history, not old movies & TV shows) to know that the current rage to make women second-class citizens is a bad idea. But nope, you just can't fix stupid so the train wreck runs amok. It would seem you have to lose what you've gained for some to 'get it'.
 Wolfpath
Joined: 1/24/2012
Msg: 88
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 12:22:59 PM
This is what happens when you allow crack heads access to computers.
Someone typing spew, because they cannot interpret and see through media and political spin doctoring.

The real war is on individual rights and independence - all these STUPID issues are designed, and entirely succefuly at making people move their eyes of the ball.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 89
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 12:29:05 PM
^^^How in the heck would you know, unless you were abused yourself? You have no Earthly idea about things that I have been through.


You mean besides being a cop for nearly 2 decades, and an adult survivor of child abuse? No, why would I know diddly about domestic and child abuse?
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 90
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 12:41:27 PM
"You mean besides being a cop for nearly 2 decades, and an adult survivor of child abuse? No, why would I know diddly about domestic and child abuse?"

^^^Why would you mention this in this thread? Is this some sort of shaming tactic? You are not the only one who has ever suffered abuse. Nor are you the only one who has worked in law enforcement. Some of us decide to get over it and stop being victims, and complaining about life not being fair. In this day and age women have the right and the ability to defend themselves. To think otherwise is very sexist. There is no war on women, but there are a few politicians that like to put on a show now and then to get the voters in an uproar.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 91
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 12:50:01 PM
Because if you knew one damned thing about how the dynamics of abuse worked, then you'd know theres a lot more involved than "just get up and leave.", esp. for women. For your to make that inane and thoughtless comment shows you either don't know the first thing about abuse, the cycle and dynamics of abuse, or you're just being willfully ignorant.

If you HAVE been abused, then theres no way you could make that statement without an immense amount of callousness and disregard for the facts.

But you've already established that your, reality and facts are not well aquainted.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 92
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 12:55:38 PM
"Because if you knew one damned thing about how the dynamics of abuse worked, then you'd know theres a lot more involved than "just get up and leave.", esp. for women. For your to make that inane and thoughtless comment shows you either don't know the first thing about abuse, the cycle and dynamics of abuse, or you're just being willfully ignorant.
If you HAVE been abused, then theres no way you could make that statement without an immense amount of callousness and disregard for the facts.
But you've already established that your, reality and facts are not well aquainted."

^^^This thread is about "The War on Women." Not about abuse. Yet ANOTHER personal attack. Just like all the previous personal attacks. So I guess you have lived my life? Interesting. Cheers big ears, keep a cool one and don't let your meat loaf.....
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
Msg: 93
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Posted: 3/15/2012 12:56:35 PM
You know, the only way things will ever change is if we as a society simply start holding adults accountable
Adult women ARE NOT CHILDREN!! they are adults, quite capable of making choices
everything is there,(at least in western society) laws, law enforcement ,shelters,(to the point of overkill) ect... It really is up to them to choose, to stay, or leave abuse
who they want to father there children... and so on
in the same breath, I am sick of men, whining about there ex's, paying support, ext..., they made there choices
live with the consequences !!
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 94
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 1:19:16 PM
We are talking about women who are trying to be accountable. They are trying to get access to contraception. For some reason the GOP of 2012 seems to feel that there should be impediments in the way. I don't get it. Politically it's suicidal; as public policy it's crazy; it only caters to old people who complain about "kids today and all their filthy sexting and dirty talk."
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 95
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 2:00:36 PM
the good thing is though it keeps everybody's mind off what a messed up job obama's doing... about the war on women since obamacare has passed ... alleged studies say that pap smears and mammograms are not needed as frequently as in the past..kind of funny that those who allegedly care so much about women's health are okay with these new alleged findings...
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
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Posted: 3/15/2012 3:18:46 PM
"The War on Women" seems to be the catch-phrase of the day. Although a case can be made that the Republicans are in fact waging a "War on Abortion". I believe in that case that it's more about a difference in opinion than specifically going after women. We just happen to be the gender capable of gestation.

However.... The reluctance to renew the Violence Against Women Act is a bit more specific to my gender.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/us/politics/violence-against-women-act-divides-senate.html


At a closed-door Senate Republican lunch on Tuesday, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska sternly warned her colleagues that the party was at risk of being successfully painted as antiwoman — with potentially grievous political consequences in the fall, several Republican senators said Wednesday.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 97
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Posted: 3/15/2012 3:19:07 PM
Agreed Paul, insurance for viagra is silly, but as Hannity pointed out last year as be blasted birth control coverage in insurance policies, first on BC..“I don’t care about the scientists” who recommended the move and insisted that the birth control is “not a women’s health issue.” Then on Viagra “That is a medical problem!" Rush, who went to the Dominican Republic, a popular sex vacation destination, with 4 men to whom he was not married and a bottle full of Viagra with someone elses name on the petition, was carrying a taxpayer subsidized drug. Yet there is no outrage from those attacking birth control toward boner control drugs. The double standard is pretty apparent, and it's sad that they fail to realize that hard penises are the leading cause of conception...unless a woman has the right to affordable birth control. How viagra is subsidized by all of us.
http://www.alternet.org/news/154502/how_we%27re_all_paying_for_rush_limbaugh_to_take_viagra_%28and_why_it_costs_a_lot_more_than_contraception%29/?page=entire

As to the domestic abuse and rape aspects, the GOP has that cover too in bills proposed to redefine rape and assault.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/republican-plan-redefine-rape-abortion

Rape is only really rape if it involves force. So says the new House Republican majority as it now moves to change abortion law.

For years, federal laws restricting the use of government funds to pay for abortions have included exemptions for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. (Another exemption covers pregnancies that could endanger the life of the woman.) But the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," a bill with 173 mostly Republican co-sponsors that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has dubbed a top priority in the new Congress, contains a provision that would rewrite the rules to limit drastically the definition of rape and incest in these cases.

With this legislation, which was introduced last week by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Republicans propose that the rape exemption be limited to "forcible rape." This would rule out federal assistance for abortions in many rape cases, including instances of statutory rape, many of which are non-forcible. For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. (Smith's spokesman did not respond to a call and an email requesting comment.)

Given that the bill also would forbid the use of tax benefits to pay for abortions, that 13-year-old's parents wouldn't be allowed to use money from a tax-exempt health savings account (HSA) to pay for the procedure. They also wouldn't be able to deduct the cost of the abortion or the cost of any insurance that paid for it as a medical expense.


And that leading edge state of Georgia, there is a proposal to downgrade a rape victim to "an accuser" further marginalizing women who fail to report around 60% of rapes and sexual assaults from the stigma now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/georgia-lawmaker-redefine-rape-victims-accusers_n_818718.html
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 98
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Posted: 3/15/2012 3:38:54 PM
since obamacare has passed


It may not make any difference. I give it, or at least the individual mandate at the heart of it, about three more months. Of course, I could be wrong--after all, there's a first time for everything. It will all come down to Justice Kennedy, but I have a hunch he won't want to be remembered by history as the man responsible for making one-sixth of the national economy subject to Soviet-style central planning. Especially when a solid majority of Americans opposes this law.

It's possible that the Court will hold the individual mandate unconstitutional, but still uphold the rest of this God-awful law. If the individual mandate goes down, it's hard to see how that would help Mr. Obama's chances of being re-elected. He's staked a lot of his prestige on this.

The individual mandate in the Obamacare law says we all have to buy government-approved medical insurance or, in lieu of that, pay a substantial tax. And if you do neither, the IRS, using the 16,000 new agents one part of this 2,500+ page law provides for it to hire (don't worry, we can afford it--they'll only cost us a couple billion a year) will come after you for tax evasion.

If the IRS agents can't persuade you to do what your government knows is best for all of us, your case gets referred to the Justice Dept. for criminal prosecution, and you'll face a large fine or even imprisonment if you're convicted. No telling how they'd prosecute all those cases, if hundreds of thousands of people told them to go straight to he!!.

The government is arguing Congress has authority to dictate what we must (and by implication, must not) buy as part of its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce (if you think that sounds ridiculous, you aren't the only one.) I know the two cases its case mainly relies on pretty thoroughly, and I've studied both sides of the argument.

One thing's for sure--if the Court does uphold this socialist monstrosity, it will be a more extreme interpretation of the Commerce Clause than it made even in either of these decisions, one of which, a 1942 New Deal case involving controlled grain prices, is usually considered the most extreme interpretation of it to date. But that would be fitting for a lawless, arrogant administration that sees the Constitution--the design for this country's government--as a piece of paper to be pushed aside whenever it frustrates its grand schemes.

If this law survives but a Republican administration takes over, I hope it moves quickly to nullify the Court's decision. There are several methods for doing this, and they've been used before. Thomas Jefferson once even had a Supreme Court Justice impeached, as Justice Kennedy knows.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 3/15/2012 3:45:06 PM
The repubs got that covered too, with opportunistic gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, controlling the machines that count the vote, and the ultimate goal of a one party, permanent majority.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/The_Permanent_Republican_Majority_Part_III_1216.html

Distracting voters via these "morality" issues is just a tactic to help distract and make some gains toward their ultimate goals of theocracy and permanence. At least be honest that you are incapable of considering some very real trends, and shoddy tactics.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 100
The War on Women
Posted: 3/15/2012 4:25:18 PM
Alright Paul, I have an idea, I'll buy the guillotine, if you and your buddies, show up in washington on the steps of congress to help me use it! I won't descriminate, you can do one from each side in turn, we start with the worst from each party.

I vote we start with eithe Kant..er I mean Kanter or Boner..er..Bohner.


Edit to add: An FL, a laborer hahahahahaha!! You've got to be kiddin, an FL can't even figure the right way to dig a ditch.
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