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 Aries_328
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Because I don't give a flying "F" about women, Greece, Africa or whathaveyou. If we don't get the situation handled within these borders then nobody anywhere has any hope.

Feminism and Religious Fundamentalism have more in common than just methodology and aspirations of tyranny. They both are rooted in base emotionalism (fundamentalists-rampant fear and feminists-unrestrained hedonism). Both would welcome despotism.

I am of the opinion that feminism can more easily be expelled from leadership of the left than fundamentalism can be neutralized on the right. So I encourage all rational persons to join the left and eject feminism.



Sigh... I had a whole thing going but it goes to far into other fields that its probably off topic... I agree with you but without the joining... I am not much of a joiner. And just because I can't help it I am going to restate the point I made in another related thread. Everytime I write the responseit turns into multiple paragraphs… so short version…

I think the simple answer to achieve what you want as well as what other people and groups need would be to place atheism under the limitations of the first amendment establishment clause and to reaffirm that there is a separation of ideological views and government. No ideology should be established and the natural rights of, all men are created equal, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are without question and cannot be taken away (without due process of law).
 bwena
Joined: 2/5/2012
Msg: 177
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:10:55 PM
Yes Bladesmith81801 that is exactly right. I meant entitled to reproductive healthcare paid by my insurance like all other health issues. Why on earth is it omitted? Ridiculous! But viagra is covered?
 MondoVman
Joined: 4/26/2009
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:24:05 PM
@magicallaroundme
Another anti-religion fail! You dare claim that your fabricated guesses constitute knowing those others' ranking of their religion vs. their occupation, race/heritance or other *independent* attributes?

How about "azzhat (occupation), inbred caucasian hermaphrodite (race+sexualinadequancy), dweeb (religious affiliation)?

Or perhaps, bald, humongous nose, short d-ick. Yep, short d-ck obviously another's least interest, concern, devotion or obsession simply because I list it last.

Exactly what are your true occupation, race and religion? We'd like an equal opportunity to fully judge your words.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:39:52 PM

Feminism and Religious Fundamentalism have more in common than just methodology and aspirations of tyranny. They both are rooted in base emotionalism (fundamentalists-rampant fear and feminists-unrestrained hedonism). Both would welcome despotism.


Yes, Religious Fundamentalism aspires to tyranny, is based in emotionalism, rampant fear, welcomes despotism, and by their hypocrisy secretly love unrestrained hedonism. We can agree on that.
http://www.alternet.org/story/154460/how_the_fundamentalist_mind_compels_conservative_christians_to_force_their_beliefs_on_you?page=entire

Feminism and women's suffrage however were bourne out of centuries of struggle for reality since those fateful words, "all men were created equal", and before that since women took the fall for that apple incident in the Garden of Eating.

The 20th century saw the right of women to vote, to hold office, to equal pay, equal opportunity, and autonomy over their bodies. All of these gains were seen as a setback for the superior equality of men's equality over women. The desire to return to the 1950s and actions lately to get into the way back machine are driven by the growing impotency of the predominately white male majority. It's the dying throes of "all MEN were created (more) equal", the climbing social and financial and political status of women, and quite likely came to a head recently as the "mancession" took a greater toll on men than women further exacerbating the political impotency challenge. It was a bold, and ill-conceived hail Marty pass to try this dubious tactic, and will either save the far right movement or doom it to the anus of history. Far right evangelicals are in the drivers seat of the Republican Party, backslapping the moderate kids in the back seat. The drivers are acting emotionally, not seeing the bridge abbutment rushing at them as they look longingly in the rear view mirror, combing their hair (see Rush rants or Santorum), and the kids are strapped in hoping to survive.

PS..atheism is not a church. Another thread.
 magicallaroundme
Joined: 3/9/2011
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:41:46 PM

Exactly what are your true occupation, race and religion? We'd like an equal opportunity to fully judge your words.


I am an Irish Catholic Red Sox fan from South Boston. Least significant part is Catholic.
 MondoVman
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:46:38 PM
@EP
Liberalism is not a religion. Stop emulating the Religious Fundamentalists with your mad, manic raving. Try some chocolate and spending more needed time on a bloody red velvet porcelain throne.

@magic...

Until Benedict XIV jumps center for the Lakers, what the church says or does won't ever be all that important.

Important to whom? You do realize your diction implies unimportant to every American, yes? Do you sincerely hate freedom of religion? Or is it you just hate your and everyone else's lack of true mind-reading ability of others' sentiments and devotions?

I am an Irish Catholic Red Sox fan

Sigh, don't understand. You claim you are Catholic, i.e. religious, and your profile states Non-Religious? How much did you pay the translator for those two descriptors?

I am disinterested ... latrine and flush

vvv What the? Ya, in other words you hate religion and you hate freedom of religion. Got it.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 182
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:02:50 PM

Private insurance companies are not charities.


You're right, and you sank your own argument with this statement. They aren't CHURCHES either, for the last time. They are companies, for profit, and have to abide by the same state and federal rules and regulations as every other insurance company does. Especially if they take state or federal funds.

Thanks for proving me correct.
 magicallaroundme
Joined: 3/9/2011
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:07:00 PM

Do you sincerely hate freedom of religion? Or is it you just hate yours and everyone else's lack of true mind-reading ability of others' sentiments and devotions?


I am disinterested in the plight of the superstitious and their struggles to get their sentiments legitimized. It pleases me to discard the devotions of anyone who makes me aware of them into the same latrine and flush.
 inout
Joined: 2/25/2011
Msg: 184
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Posted: 3/18/2012 7:50:51 PM
Obama is using the women's contraception issue to continue his rampage against the Catholic Church. He hates God,America and the US Constitution.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:12:04 PM

They aren't CHURCHES either, for the last time.


Yes--before, you were saying that about businesses affiliated with the Catholic Church. Mr. Obama has pretended to relieve those businesses--hospitals, schools, etc.--from having to provide birth control materials for their employees. But someone has to pay for those things. And neither the president nor anyone else has authority to force a private insurance corporation to provide its services for free. They certainly won't.

They'll transfer the cost of providing birth control materials back to the Catholic school or hospital by charging them higher premiums for the all other health services besides birth control that they'll still be paying for. So the Catholic-affiliated businesses will end up paying for their employees' birth control anyway, even if indirectly. This is just the kind of sleight-of-hand millions of us have come to expect from Mr. Obama.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/18/2012 11:16:46 PM

This is just the kind of sleight-of-hand millions of us have come to expect from Mr. Obama.


At some point this becomes the only thing that is important. And that does concern me that anything that opposes could end up being worse than what is opposed.

Why has nobody noticed that since Obama has been in election mode and lying his ass off and emulating republican ideals in certain economic areas has THE ECONOMY STARTED IMPROVING!!!!!!
Don’t f*n lie that for the past several months he hasn't tried to emulate Reagan. Now it is lower gas prices…. In the words of rage comic FFFFUUUUUU . The war on women is not real! No one needs to be as vacantly unintelligent as the left to see that it is a bs political move in order to maintain contention.

:)
 MondoVman
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Posted: 3/18/2012 11:28:07 PM
^^^ Careful there. starting to read as religiously fundamentalist as the lead manic mad reLigion-Of-Liberalism ravings (lmmrLoLr, pronounced "lulmmmrler") of the POF forums... (read: first contemptuous "dot dot dot" sentence faux terminator) although there are at least... (read: first contemptuous "dot dot dot" faux comma) two sources lovingly tied for the lead... (read: first contemptuous "dot dot dot" faux pause) in earth-bound puppy-like embrace... (read: second contemptuous "dot dot dot" sentence faux terminator)

Gaaah, my dots is tried...! (<--- is that correct "spelling"? dot dot dot before the F U-terminator?)
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/18/2012 11:46:33 PM

Gaaah, my dots is tried...! (<--- is that correct "spelling"? dot dot dot before the F U-terminator?)


is it ok if it was just
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/19/2012 12:05:49 AM
Pretending this assault on women is not real does not make the onslaught of pending bills go away, nor does it negate the feelings of women targeted by the far right's desperate attempt to draw attention away from their failure to ensure the failure audacious black guy in the White House serves only one term.
The spike in the chart speaks volumes.
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2012/01/05/endofyear.html

With laser focus on everything but economic recovery, the republicans in congress introduced 46 bills on abortion, 113 on religion, 73 on family relationships, 36 on defining marriage, 72 on firearms, and fought the jobs bill, and ignored the speculation of their peers that have increased the price of gas by 50% or more.

Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain. Look, a pregnant woman! Look, someone taking birth control pills! Look, someone trying to take away the sanctity of multiple wives and divorces! Pay no attention to for profit businesses hiding behind the same curtain flashing their crosses to ward off equal responsibility for gender fairness under the law. They want government so big, that it needs room to expand in the uteri of the 52%.
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
Msg: 190
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Posted: 3/19/2012 7:02:15 AM
For those that want big government and think big government is the answer to your problem think again, I remember a quote from President Regan which rings true even today, The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
 OneGodfather
Joined: 3/4/2012
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Posted: 3/19/2012 8:28:52 AM
You missed my point over there in Victoria but that is okay, surfs up.
 Justcheckingfor1
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 192
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Posted: 3/19/2012 9:08:50 AM
I still see no signs of this war on women, plus, if these so called repubiclans are being elected in office, along with there proposed bills, then someone must be aggreeing with them, or they would not be there to begin with. That someone agreeing with them is most likely Women and Men. Once again, the women who agree with them, do not see this as a war on women. They see this as a war agains those who do not want to be held responsible for their on actions and want the state to pay them to have babies, and or have the right to get rid of their babies, because they did not ask their partner to use protection and they themselves were not also using birth control, with they should pay for. After all, I pay for condoms. My insurance does not cover them. Well in if insurance should cover contriception, then it should cover contriception for both men and women. Not only that, it might as well cover my gym membership and my grocery bill for healthy foods. Why not just cover everything for that matter? There is no war on women, but there seems to be a war against those who are responsible for their on actions to force them to pay for slackers and losers. The only free crontriception or right I would agree to pay for would be for steriliazation of the free loafers.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/19/2012 4:45:22 PM
While women are seeing the obvious attack on their rights, the right leaning dudes have their heads firmly up their backsides and deny the response to their misogyny. No wonder when guys who only buy a couple condoms a year, would think that women on a daily regime of birth control are "sluts". Too bad these women vote. Ya might want to actually talk to women in your lives to see they feel about this rape/penetration into their hard fought gains over the decades.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/19/women-charged-1-billion-more-than-men-for-health-care-report/
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/03/single_women_are_the_new_swing_voters_but_which_way_do_they_lean_.single.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/19/2012 4:55:08 PM
All hail your lord government. Praise be Government. Provide us with our daily bread.

Our Father, which art in Washington,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom now.
Thy law be done on earth,
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into poverty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the kingdom,

The power, and the glory,

For ever and ever.

All men.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 195
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Posted: 3/19/2012 5:00:11 PM

All hail your lord government. Praise be Government. Provide us with our daily bread.

Just to be consistent, it's probably not your best argument to damn government when you're taking the side of intrusive legislation. The other side is saying that the proposed legislation in various states is anti-woman. You're saying that it's okay to force women to have probes inserted inside them, have to listen to a lecture if they want a medical procedure, or any of the other things that various GOP legislatures are proposing or enacting all over the country.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 196
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Posted: 3/19/2012 5:01:42 PM

While women are seeing the obvious attack on their rights, the right leaning dudes have their heads firmly up their backsides and deny the response to their misogyny. No wonder when guys who only buy a couple condoms a year, would think that women on a daily regime of birth control are "sluts". Too bad these women vote....

Well... ya... know... EP... you... probably... have... it... close... to... right...

I would imagine that there are quite a few of them who think the only reason they don't get laid is because women have rights... I'll bet some of them might even spend the entire first date detailing exactly how the Constitution and SCOTUS give them the right to insist she allow them to stick whatever they want, wherever they want...

Why else would they be so insistant on pushing their little 'war on women'...?
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/19/2012 5:05:45 PM
Just to be consistent, it's probably not your best argument to damn government when you're taking the side of intrusive legislation.


:) I was just illustrating the religion of government that is followed on this thread. If the case were literally about the ability for women to exercise any form of control or right it would be a different case. This is entirely about someone else paying for 'their right' and does not belong on the same level as an aggression against a women’s personhood. And again. Those probing issue are again "legislating morality" that is what happens when you give government too much power. I never said I was for any of these regulations. I gave another example earlier where government regulations for 'health and safety' led to a morality legislation to keep porn industry out of a community. It's bad to legislate morality. It doesn't work. That doesn't mean crap about having others pay for it and who pays for it is not an assualt on liberty.

Gets really really tiring that people think everything is free and if it isn't free it is an assault on liberty. There is no war on women.
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 198
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Posted: 3/19/2012 5:30:40 PM
Why is it that the reps just cannot understand that preventing unwanted pregnancies is so much cheaper than the alternative?In case they didn't notice,we already have far too many women in a disadvantaged state,and they rely on the government.You would think the math is pretty simple.Instead we have these guys droning on and on about religous freedom.The cost for the pill is a miniscule amount compared to the alternative.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/19/2012 6:49:55 PM

.Instead we have these guys droning on and on about religous freedom


I think your missed a part of the droning. No one is denying access. It is allowing religious organizations to just not pay for it because they have a very strong moral objection. It isn't all happy perfect and yeah... it’s annoying. Also from an economic point of view business always look for ways to reduce costs that is totally separate from a societal cost. If one business is allowed an exemption that saves them money it is also a bit of an unfair advantage to other businesses that don't get the exception.

Next... Another point you’re missing is states’ rights to create laws of that state and not have the federal government dictate what they can and cannot do.

Finally - If you wanted to talk about efficiency and costs savings the catholic abstinence would be far superior in cost savings and prevention but that turns more into wishful thinking than any real effective means.

So... I have car insurance. Why doesn't my car insurance pay for my tune-up? Why doesn't car insurance pay for new brakes, new tires, and every other potential 'safety' issue which would reduce the risks of accidents, injury, and even deaths which would save the money paid against negligent death lawsuits? And for that matter why are we not paying for insurance for the poor to drive, especially in Los Angeles. It is nearly a requirement to have any chance at success. The right to move freely from place to place is in fact a basic tenant of our freedoms and should be protected right? We even have a state mandated requirement for all drivers to have insurance… What about the poor!!!!!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 200
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Posted: 3/20/2012 1:28:14 PM

Why is it that the reps just cannot understand that preventing unwanted pregnancies is so much cheaper than the alternative?..

Because:

...something something forest something something trees...
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