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 Aries_328
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While opponents of voter ID laws celebrated the ruling, it was narrowly focused on the Texas law and emphasized that it should not be read as implying that all voter ID laws should be blocked by Section 5.


Words matter.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2012 6:34:09 PM

Eric H. Holder Jr., who had told the N.A.A.C.P. in July that the Texas law’s requirements amounted to a poll tax, praised the ruling. “The court’s decision today and the decision earlier this week on the Texas redistricting plans not only reaffirm — but help protect — the vital role the Voting Rights Act plays in our society to ensure that every American has the right to vote and to have that vote counted,” he said in a statement.


This is the same man who, as assistant AG under President Clinton, curried favor by wading right into the middle of the slime of Clinton's eleventh-hour pardons, including the one for Marc Rich, who donated a small fortune to the Clinton Library. As a reward for his fawning loyalty to one damned liar of a President, he is now the lackey-general for another one. And he is a damned liar himself, just as most leftists are.

Mr. Holder doesn't give a hoot in hell about the Voting Rights Act. His Justice Department, with Barack Hussein Obama's approval, has made it its official policy not to enforce violations of that act against black defendants. That is why the two New Black Panther thugs who stood outside a Philadelphia polling place during the 2008 election--one holding a club, and both of them menacing and threatening voters on their way to the booth--are free men. The Justice Department had won a default judgment against them when they arrogantly refused even to answer a federal summons. At that point, it was a simple matter to proceed to convict and sentence them. But as soon as this President was elected, the Justice Dept. suddenly dismissed the case and let these men go free.

Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder also showed their contempt for voting rights by suing Arizona for daring to try to enforce federal immigration laws, even though Congress has many times appealed to the states to help federal authorities do just that. Mr. Obama does not want those laws enforced, because he sees millions of illegal aliens as future loyal Democrats. All he needs to do is get re-elected, grant a general amnesty, and promise them a seat on the federal gravy train next to all the home-grown loafers. And for all Mssrs. O and H care, the millions of Americans whose votes are diluted by this lawless contempt for the Constitution can go take a flying leap.

Mr. Obama and his broad-beamed Queen Bee, even though they are clever enough to hide it most of the time, have a sullen disdain for America and its traditions. I think that like other leftists, they consider this an arrogant, exploitative empire that deserves to be humbled. As she said, this country is "just plain mean," and most of her life she never was proud of it. Some First Lady! Their hearts are much more with foreign socialists and Muslims like Mr. Obama Sr. than with the country of Washington and Jefferson and Lincoln and Roosevelt. We should give them all the leisure time they want, as soon as possible. As for Holder, let him go back to giving the jihadists at Guantanamo free legal services.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 278
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Posted: 9/1/2012 6:47:21 PM
In Ohio, the state that may decide the presidential election, a judge on Friday struck down a new rule that allowed only military personnel to vote the weekend before the November election, which the court said discriminated against the poor and minorities, who historically have taken advantage of the early weekend voting to cast their ballots.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/0901/Bad-week-for-voter-ID-laws.-Will-Supreme-Court-weigh-in-before-election


A federal court on Thursday struck down a Texas law that would have required voters to show government-issued photo identification before casting their ballots in November, ruling that the law would hurt turnout among minority voters and impose “strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor” by charging those voters who lack proper documentation fees to obtain election ID cards



The judges’ ruling came two days after another three-judge panel in the same court found that the Texas Legislature had intentionally discriminated against minority voters in drawing up electoral district maps, citing the same section of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.


Yes, words do matter....words like discrimination against minorities when applied to voter ID laws.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:35:26 PM

Yes, words do matter....words like discrimination against minorities when applied to voter ID laws.


Like Cherry picking specific examples to wag your finger at...
http://westorlandonews.com/2012/08/16/pennsylvania-joins-michigan-indiana-georgia-in-upholding-voter-id-law/

On Wednesday, in a closely watched case, a state judge in Pennsylvania declined to block the state’s controversial voter ID law from taking effect. If the ruling is upheld on appeal, registered voters in the state will be required to show acceptable photo ID during the general election in November.


I know I have my reasons why I think Voter ID is okay but I have not heard my reason voiced. I also have reasons to not support it and I don't hear those being voiced either. I am really tired of the blatant racism of leftists and the more I see it the more I see how damaging it is.

I won't say right doesn't also have racists. They do. But at least it is obvious... leftists just use race as a weapon without regard to consequences.

If it is true... and I would assume it was as it was part of the evidence. Some people would be required to drive up to 200 miles to get an ID... Texas is a big state. It could possibly be true. Not accounting for that in a law requiring anything is... stupid... That doesn't mean it is racist. Saying that they can't comply because of their race is just despicable.

I would hope that most people with a conscience could see the problem with this. Is it true that only minorities live at a distance? Really? So no white person was at this distance? Or where they all rich enough to be able to afford the trip? I have issues with the language. Words do matter.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 280
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:47:30 PM

I am really tired of the blatant racism of leftists and the more I see it the more I see how damaging it is.


LMAOROTF....so, when the federal court system says that certian states have enacted discriminatory voter ID laws-targeting the poor and minorities-at the behest of the uber-evangelical-right wing-fascist conservatives of the GOP...then it is your assertion that the left is rascist....get a grip
 Worbug
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:49:11 PM
I bet the make that 200 mile trip to get their food stamps and other freebee programs with no problem.

Distance is too far, I call BULL SH#T. That would only effect the poor, how does that effect the minority?????

After reading some of the most stupid reasons against The ID law, I am begging to think a lot of other people do not sound intelligent enough to vote.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 9/1/2012 8:14:05 PM
LMAOROTF....so, when the federal court system says that certian states have enacted discriminatory voter ID laws-targeting the poor and minorities-at the behest of the uber-evangelical-right wing-fascist conservatives of the GOP...then it is your assertion that the left is rascist....get a grip


Absolutely. There is not one reason on the planet that the ruling should not have been, "X, X, and X communities have/will be adversely impacted due to X, X, X factor. The race of the community is not why they are at a distance. Race plays no part in it. So, yes, I call that blatant racism.

You don't... you bought into it. I don't. But now you get to call Texas racist. That has you gleeful.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 283
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:47:37 PM

" ... According to networks like MSNBC, and CNN, approximately 5 million American's will not be able to vote due to the new restriction.

Do you agree with the Republican party that this is done to prevent voter fraud, or is this a ruse to prevent voter turn out? Some feel that this could possibly harm President Obama in the upcoming GE. Thoughts? ... "


Applying for your drivers license? Why sure - may I see your PHOTO ID? Cashing a check? Sorry, can I see a PHOTO ID, please? Making a withdrawal from your bank? Oh, may I see your PHOTO ID? Writing a check for groceries? Why, sir, may I see your PHOTO ID? Why is it that NO ONE complains about the things we do ROUTINELY and on a much more frequent basis than VOTING that do require a PHOTO ID ... ? The answer: Getting Obama re-elected " ... by any means necessary ... " is the reason. How can a proper vote fraud and election theft be conducted if those ones doing the defrauding have to prove they are who they say they are ... ? Why, that's downright unfair ... it's an 'imposition' on all those elderly defrauders who might want to cast a vote in the morning and then another in the afternoon. What do you mean, I'm not 'Mickey Mouse' or 'Adolf Hitler' ... ? I'm gonna sue! I don't have to prove I am who I say I am with a PHOTO ID - you'll have to ... ( ahem ) ... TRUST ME!

See why they don't want VOTER IDENTIFICATION used at the polling places ... ? It just makes it that much more difficult for all the dead and / or illegal 'voters' to play their 'proper role' in ( ahem ) 'participatory democracy'.

We'll overlook - for purposes of this 'discussion' - the fact that states are providing PHOTO IDs at NO CHARGE to anyone who wants one. It doesn't even have to be a drivers license - it's a STATE-ISSUED PHOTO ID that's FREE. The only thing that's not being done is sending a cab or a limousine to pick these people up and physically drive them to the issuing agency with a ticket that lets them jump the line ahead of everyone else who's been waiting their turn. With difficulties such as these to overcome, it's no wonder the Left is so adamantly opposed to VOTER PHOTO ID.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 9/2/2012 6:20:06 AM

You don't... you bought into it. I don't. But now you get to call Texas racist. That has you gleeful.


No actually I didn't bring racism into the discussion...you did with post number #349


I am really tired of the blatant racism of leftists and the more I see it the more I see how damaging it is.



My words were a quote from my post #348


Yes, words do matter....words like discrimination against minorities when applied to voter ID laws.


But, now that yuou mention it voter ID laws are racist laws intended to keep minorities from voting...and Texas has a long history of racism....as do many from the uber-right.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 285
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Posted: 9/2/2012 9:34:43 AM
Daaaaaaaaamn. I could swear I hear Paul Robeson signing "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill (Last Night)" playing in the background on that wind-up Victrola ... How come it's always the LEFT that uses people like the New Black Panther Party dude all dressed out in beret, field jacket, combat boots, and baton intimidating voters in front of a Philadelphia polling place? This is only one example - there are too many more to list here, and you'd deny their existence anyway, so why waste the time typing them ... ? Get your crying towel ready for the morning of 07 November 2012 - all the Obamites will need lots of 'em after 'The Un' gets flushed by the voters - and that even takes into account the vote fraud the Left will be working hard to implement with the 'assistance' of all those 'voters' who don't need to PROVE they are who they say they are - or claim to be ...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 9/2/2012 9:55:18 AM
Thanks again for stepping right up to bat.

I said

you bought into it. I don't. But now you get to call Texas racist. That has you gleeful.


you said

But, now that yuou mention it voter ID laws are racist laws intended to keep minorities from voting...and Texas has a long history of racism....as do many from the uber-right.
 sweetest
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Posted: 9/2/2012 10:29:26 AM

Absolutely. There is not one reason on the planet that the ruling should not have been, "X, X, and X communities have/will be adversely impacted due to X, X, X factor. The race of the community is not why they are at a distance. Race plays no part in it. So, yes, I call that blatant racism.

Imo, race has everything to do with these laws being enacted across the country and it would simplistic to suggest otherwise.

Republicans are and have been trying to disenfranchise those (primarily minority and poor people) who have and will again overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats. Because that fact is so well-documented and contributed to the huge swell of Democratic voters who turned out to support then Candidate Obam, the Republicans have been working overtime passing laws to create:
X --> financial;
X -->administrative; and
X --> geographical 'hurdles' in the form of new voter compliance regulations that they suggest is needed because of the so-called and alleged 'huge tide' of voter fraud.

Of course it requires a balanced perspective to acknowledge that the people (you know the same who are are part of "We the People..."...) who aren't necessary like you, who don't necessarily have the same wherewithal as you to amass the required documents in a timely manner, and most importantly, who don't support your peeps, are still nonetheless as entitled and as deserving as any Republican to leave their mark and have their say on election day as they have for decades, unfettered.

I liked this Texas sum up in thestatesman.com that I read yesterday.
http://www.statesman.com/opinion/judges-call-on-voter-id-law-justified-2448900.html

Some highlights from the article for those not inclined to go to it:

Three federal judges concluded the obvious Thursday when they ruled that Texas' voter ID law, if allowed to take effect, would discriminate against minority voters. The law, the judges said, "imposes strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor, and racial minorities in Texas are disproportionately likely to live in poverty."

It's well established that voter fraud occurs so rarely as to be practically nonexistent. The payoff for someone wanting to cast a single illegal vote is absurdly low, while the potential punishment is steep. Nonetheless, Republican lawmakers insist on enacting a solution where there is no problem.
....

The court chastises the Legislature for refusing to ease the burden on Texans for whom travel is difficult and cost-prohibitive. Lawmakers rejected proposals to waive photo ID fees for poor Texans, expand photo ID options, and increase the hours and days DPS offices are open.

The inability to consider that some people lack the identification common to most Texans, or that $22 and a round trip to another county would be a burden their impoverished circumstances couldn't bear, is a failure to "climb into (another man's) skin and walk around in it," to quote Atticus Finch in "To Kill a Mockingbird."

Atticus would recognize the façade of reasonableness backers of voter ID laws attach to their arguments, a façade once used by defenders of poll taxes and literacy tests. While the federal court stopped short of examining the "discriminatory purpose" behind Texas' voter ID law, its effect is clear. Poor, minority Texans would be denied their right to vote. No other reason was needed to strike it down.


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 matchlight
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Posted: 9/2/2012 10:51:40 AM
#357

It's well established that voter fraud occurs so rarely as to be practically nonexistent.

It is? I have to differ with the distinguished author of that piece of leftist propaganda. Since when does the fact people are rarely caught doing something establish that it's practically nonexistent? I doubt too many Americans are caught in the act of committing adultery, either, but I don't think that proves almost none of them ever do it.


I could swear I hear Paul Robeson signing "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill (Last Night)"


I've only heard it sung by that other, more recent communist, Joan Baez--I'm sure her version is just a pale imitation of the great Robeson's. Whenever anyone mentions him, I think of tomatoes--which are also usually red. But some of the tastiest varieties available to home gardeners are called "black," because the red is mixed with dark brownish or purplish tones. They were first developed by Russians and the names of some of the varieties--"Black Krim," "Black from Tula," "Black Sea Man"--reflect it.

One of the tastiest of all is named "Paul Robeson," which is fitting in a way--red and black, with deep, rich tones. He was admired in the Soviet Union, and whoever developed it there named it after him. But I notice they didn't choose a city, or a university, or even a street, but just a plain old garden-variety tomato. That tells me that behind whatever admiration those Russians felt for Robeson lay a deeply rooted Caucasian communist condescension for "their Negro." I think the whole thing is racist and offensive, and I would never allow a Paul Robeson tomato plant in my vegetable garden.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 9/2/2012 8:33:25 PM
Take a look at the website and decide for yourself.

http://protectthepolls.com/


Okay... so as to not decide from content I did not read look at the site other then to verify it was the proper URL.
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?domain=PROTECTTHEPOLLS.COM

Site is registered privately with no group or person displayed. If this were an actual organization then registration would have been completed under that identity. This is a private person that paid a small fee for masking this information in the database.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/protectthepolls.com#
The site is not linked from anywhere else and is so low on traffic to make it virtually non existent.

There is nothing indicating this is any type of organization promoting whatever it is this is supposed to be promoting.

Now after watching the video and getting the first guys name.

Now, I would say these two guys are probably going around promoting this and I would have no doubt it is entirely to discredit republicans and meant as not a joke but as a means of sabotaging political debate.

This is a full on setup.
http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/john-nelson-profile-15045.html

TAMPA, FL - AUGUST 28: Republican supporters Robert Stevens (C), and John Nelson (R), debate a crowd prior to protesters marching during the National Republican Convention on August 28, 2012 in Tampa, Florida. Several marches took place during the day are expected to continue throughout the convention. The group was lead along a predetermined route and the march ended near a small group from Westboro Baptist Church when law enforcement officials intervened and prevented any violence.


The NRA should go after these guys for claiming they support whatever hoax this is.
 Worbug
Joined: 4/23/2009
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Posted: 9/2/2012 10:25:59 PM
No, they did not fool the abc news. The Abc news have very smart people. They know exactly what they are doing. The take a few nut bags that they absolutely know are nut bags and plaster them on the news saying these are you Republicans, further helping the set up. News is news, no matter how ridiculous. It grabbed you attention and a few others.

I truely believe they would have reported on the nut bags if they were supporting the democrats, like I said, news is news, the news people win either way, the got you to watch.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 291
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Posted: 9/3/2012 12:26:34 PM
So: A state-issued photo ID is a BAD thing, right ... ? Ummm, not so much ... seems y' can't get into the DEMOCRATIC National Convention without showing ( wait for it ... ) a ... PHOTO ID ... Just a little bit more of the paleoliberal hypocrisy at work … nothing to see here - keep it moving ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://twitchy.com/2012/09/02/suppression-dnc-charlotte-identification-required-even-just-near-convention-site/

From the convention website:

http://www.demconvention.com/official-providers-distribution/

Please complete the following form regarding your organization’s primary contact information and the authorized designee(s) to whom your 2012 Democratic National Convention credentials can be issued.

Authorized Pickup: All pickup persons must have a state-issued ID that matches the name submitted below.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Daaaaaaaamn. Sounds like they're worried someone could sneak in by pretending to be ... someone ELSE ... !
This certainly doesn't make the 'craps look like the trusting souls they'd like everyone to believe they are ...
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 292
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Posted: 9/3/2012 1:08:49 PM
Daaaaaaaamn. Sounds like they're worried someone could sneak in by pretending to be ... someone ELSE ... ! This certainly doesn't make the 'craps look like the trusting souls they'd like everyone to believe they are ...
Yes, because attending an event that will have the president at it and voting are entirely the same thing.

So you really have no point unless you can show any study that can cite many cases of people showing up to vote pretending to be someone else.

Seeing as that is what picture id is for (preventing you from attempting to be someone else), I wonder why there there are people who do not understand that the vast majority of voter fraud is not due to people pretending to be someone else but are mostly due to absentee ballots and other issues that would not be covered by these laws.


For those who want the facts:
If you ask people about voter fraud, most will admit it’s a serious issue, and it IS. People casting votes they’re not entitled to is a serious problem around the country, and something needs to be done about it. What’s currently being done is NOT the solution though. Current Voter Fraud proposals don’t address the issue, they just disenfranchise people, and that’s not only bad, that’s utterly unacceptable.
Corruption – Andrew Norton
Monday, September 03, 2012


...In a op-ed piece earlier this month, Congressman Charles Gonzalez (D-Tx20) pointed out all these reasons in detail. To recap it, upto 11% of Americans don’t have suitable ID and could be disenfranchised, in order to prevent a fraud rate of… 0.00002% So let’s put toms figures to that, shall we? The voting eligible population (that’s the number of people who could vote) in 2010 was, apparently, around 217Million. By Gonzalez’s figures, 11% don’t have ID, which is 23,870,000 people. Let’s assume that 99% of those have the ABILITY to get a suitable ID, which leaves 238,700 disenfranchised. Now, what’s the fraud rate work out to? 43.4 people. Voter ID laws are being passed because of the POTENTIAL for UPTO 44 invalid ballots being cast, and to prevent those 44 fraudulent ballots, they’re going to disenfranchise over a quarter-million people. In Wisconsin, for instance, there have been ten cases of voter fraud since between 2004 and 2011, none of which would be prevented by these laws (mostly they’re cases of felons voting, which isn’t allowed) However, there’s another issue. The cases of voter fraud are only on those that vote, it’s not 0.00002% of the voting population, that’s just the worst case. It’s 0.00002% of the votes cast, which has been between 40-50% typically. So it’s actually 22 fraudulent votes...

Read more at: http://falkvinge.net/2012/02/28/the-real-voter-fraud/
 unYOUsual
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Posted: 9/3/2012 4:18:06 PM
.00002% = 100% BS...until people are required to show ID to vote
.the extent of fraud will never be quantified accurately....
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 294
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Posted: 9/3/2012 5:08:07 PM

.00002% = 100% BS...until people are required to show ID to vote
.the extent of fraud will never be quantified accurately....

FYI: They are required to show ID, just not photo ID.
 lotustemple
Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 295
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Posted: 9/3/2012 11:02:12 PM
My friends down syndrome adult daughter has 2 picture I.D's.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 296
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Posted: 9/4/2012 10:59:04 AM

" ... FYI: They are required to show ID, just not photo ID. ... "


A Kroger's 'Loyalty Card' or a library card is NOT the same as PHOTO ID ... see the difference ... ?

Probably not ...
 Debyduz_
Joined: 5/4/2012
Msg: 297
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Posted: 9/4/2012 5:07:23 PM
I think it is a good idea. I always vote and it would be easy to print a registration card and go in and vote. They list the everyone in our community in a book. I have never seen anyone running the polls that I know and I believe one time they said we had 1700 registered voters. The woman was shocked that 95% showed up last election. Usually she said about 35% show up. That leaves room for fraud.

Last primary, the guy in front of me didn't have ID. They were just doing a test run during primaries. He ****ed and ****ed. I told him it was real easy to go get an ID. I have voted times when they didn't even look at my voters registration card so I would feel safer with them IDing everyone.

If they can't vote it was their choice not to have, bring or get an ID.

I am sure the election will be very interest along with all the lawsuits afterwards.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 9/5/2012 5:17:31 PM
voter fraud is nothing new in the uk

Voting fraud: A brief history

Northampton 1768

Three earls famously spent more than £100,000 each to ensure their candidate won Northampton. The behaviour of the Earls of Northampton, Halifax and Spencer led to widespread disgust and eventual reform on the amount of money rich patrons could spend on a seat.

Old Sarum

Few constituencies summed up the "rotten borough" better than Old Sarum, an uninhabited hill with one tree on the outskirts of Salisbury that elected two members of Parliament. It was eventually abolished with 57 other rotten boroughs in the Reform Act of 1832.

Northern Ireland

Electoral fraud was so rampant in the early 20th century that the famous phrase "vote early, vote often" became folklore.

Postal fraud

Since postal votes were introduced widely in 2001, allegations of fraud have been rife. In 2005 a judge in Birmingham said there was "massive, systematic and organised fraud" in Asian communities. In 2010 five men from Bradford, including two ex-councillors, were jailed for fraudulently trying to get a Conservative candidate elected.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/electoral-commission-boss-faces-fight-for-job-after-claims-
of-fraud-7707489.html

head in the sand and arse in the air and do the ostrich if you dont believe it happens

oh and a wee p.s

what about this?
Police identify Richard Henry Bain as a suspect in Parti Quebecois victory rally shooting

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/police-continue-investigate-suspect-parti-quebecois-victory-rally-145738633.html

c'mon you shermans its payback time for the windbaggers up north who continually denigrate your
nation and sneer like sneery things. i blame canadian gun culture. they have never been the same since us brits
deceided to come home. poor french speaking minorities being killed and abused. and not trying to detract from
the terrible news someone was murdered but it puts 'peanutgate' to shame.
its just not cricket
 SpaceTimeLight
Joined: 8/19/2012
Msg: 299
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Posted: 9/5/2012 5:23:29 PM
The only voter fraud that exists is with the Republicans and sympathetic independents.

The overwhelming number of people want to vote Democrat and re-elect President Obama.

In fact, the new Dream immigrants should be allowed to vote. They have contributed to the economy and the tax base.

When you think fraud think Florida 2000. Republican and judicial theft; the will of the people was squashed.
 matchlight
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Posted: 9/5/2012 6:50:47 PM

The only voter fraud that exists is with the Republicans and sympathetic independents.


You have no way of knowing that.


The overwhelming number of people want to vote Democrat and re-elect President Obama.


That's not what the opinion polls are showing.


In fact, the new Dream immigrants should be allowed to vote. They have contributed to the economy and the tax base.


The relevant question is whether illegal aliens have contributed more to the national economy than they have taken from it. The obvious answer, which you choose to ignore, is that they have not even come close to doing that. But even if they had, so what? Since when does any nation allow aliens who have entered its territory illegally even to remain--let alone vote? Almost everything you've said here suggests that your real hope is to see this country harmed. You don't seem to like the U.S. any better than the un-American communist in the White House does.


When you think fraud think Florida 2000. Republican and judicial theft; the will of the people was squashed.


When I think "dim bulb," I think leftist. Dimocrat and intellectual scarcity; and an ignorant, barbarian urge to trash the U.S. and its Constitution. Leftist brownshirts don't care a damn about "the will of the people," but only about imposing their own will on other people. And for the next couple months, at least, they have Barack Hussein Obama, a man after their own hearts.

I doubt you have ever even skimmed through Bush v. Gore, let alone read it, let alone analyzed it carefully. In short, your opinion on this issue is completely uniformed. I have spent hours analyzing that decision, carefully, and I understand the legal issues the Court had to consider. I think it's clear the majority made the right call. It protected the Democrats from fraudulently throwing the presidency to Mr. "The-Planet-has-a-Fever."
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