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 Aries_328
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It is still a form of required ID to vote.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 427
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Posted: 9/27/2012 12:18:02 PM
golly gosh aries your onto something mate.

yep you might not need ID to vote but hey you need it to register to vote

who'd have thunk it that you need to prove who you are to vote in new scotland?

who do they think they are?

americans?

10 - Legal Information Society of Nova Scotia
Although you do not need identification to vote in Nova Scotia, you will need to
provide identification in order to get your name on the voters list. (What ID will I ...
www.legalinfo.org/legal-information-topics/Page-10.html

ID Requirements
You will be required to show ID to get your name on the List of Electors (if you aren’t already on it). Even if you have your Voter Information Card in hand, it’s always a good idea to bring your proper and current ID to the polling station so there won’t be any confusion or delay.
Please click here for Proper ID information
 Peppermint_Petunias
Joined: 3/30/2012
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Posted: 9/27/2012 12:22:08 PM
A picture ID is fair.

Someone in 4 years can take you to get one if you ask enough people.

Putting WHERE you can vote 10-15 miles away when a voting station is 2 blocks away is absurd.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 429
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Posted: 9/27/2012 12:59:52 PM

It is still a form of required ID to vote.

Which is what people want to remain the same.

Just a form of ID to vote, not a "photo id" as some states are suggesting under the guise that this will stop voter fraud, when in reality, voter fraud with regards to people not having photo ID is pretty much none existent.

So to use Nova Scotia voter laws as a point with regards to voting rights, proves that you little to no understanding of the topic at hand as it goes to prove that one does not need photo id to vote.
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 430
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Posted: 9/27/2012 1:09:10 PM
The only way Repubs could possibly win this election, is if they cheat like they are trying to do now with this strict photo ID bullsh*t.

It is disgusting, and an utter disgrace.
 Tarnished_Knight
Joined: 3/5/2009
Msg: 431
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Posted: 9/28/2012 11:22:06 AM
Oh, Bloody hell!

I've never understood this issue.
I cannot casha check w/0 a photo ID.
I cannot fly w/o a photo ID.
I could not get into the democrat convention w/o a photo ID.
And the list goes on.

And yet, a voluntary act that can decide the fate / destiny of this nation is open to one and all who can show up at a voting booth. Regardless of their citizenship or legitimacy to cast a vote.
Frankly, I think a photo ID is too lenient. We ought to mandate proof of USA Citizenship to vote in national elections and then let the states/counties/parishes/etc. decide what ID is sufficient in those local elections.

It is just another sign of how little respect and love for this country a certain segment of the sentient population maintains.
We have a an unpatriotic (his words) nincompoop in the White House whose only mission is to wreck havoc and cripple this nation domestically and in the eyes of the world and we worry that someone doesn't care enough to prove who he/she is or is not. Grow a pair. Even if you're double-x.

I think it is interesting that these protestations come stridently from the democrat left. Perhaps they know one or more like candidate Wendy Rosen, who had to withdraw her candidacy when it was found out that she had voted in two different states - Maryland and Florida.
Me thinks a national database might be in order to prevent more democrat voter fraud.

TK
[I have a Photo ID and I am not afraid to use it]
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 432
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Posted: 9/28/2012 1:39:17 PM
Physician heal thyself...comes to mind today!

No wonder republicants are worried about voter fraud! They hired a firm in florida and 3 other states to register republicant voters...guess they couldn't find enough to register, so they seem to have created hundreds of fake republicants!!!

Why not avoid all these laws, and STOP registering bogus voters, republicants?

Hahahahahahaha!!!

It's such a joy watching this party bumping down the hill since Nixon! Every decade a new cadre of shisters to shill the public....amazing!
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 433
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:05:20 AM
YES!!!!!! One down, two to go.....

A Pennsylvania judge nixed the new photo ID law, at least for this election! And why you ask? Because it was difficult to obtain, and not enough people could get one.

A Philadelphia woman, who voted for the last 24 years, went to get the ID, found that she had to wait in line at the DMV, for FOUR HOURS, with no special lines to get the ID.(can you say voter suppression) She was mixed in with people waiting to get license renewals, turn in tags and all manner of DMV issues.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 434
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:33:56 AM
wow..she had to stand in line...that is a high price to pay to insure voting integrity
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 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 435
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:43:05 AM

wow..she had to stand in line...that is a high price to pay to insure voting integrity

Especially considering that a picture id will do absolutely nothing to increase voter integrity.

Though please do not let those facts get in the way of your attempt to stop people from voting.
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 436
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:59:04 AM
A judge shot down the ID voter law this morning in PA. Yaaaay! Now if only the other 8 states with strict ID voter laws would follow suit.

SC is hopefully next.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:03:06 PM

A judge shot down the ID voter law this morning in PA. Yaaaay! Now if only the other 8 states with strict ID voter laws would follow suit.

SC is hopefully next.


I don't think this is correct. It was only delayed until after the election which is reasonable.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html

A Pennsylvania judge Tuesday ordered state officials not to enforce the commonwealth’s tough new voter ID law in the coming election, saying there was not enough time to ensure that some voters would not be disenfranchised.


The timing is problematic not the law. It would be a waste of money and energy to challegne the injunction to have in instated prior to the election.

Lets see what happens.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 438
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:33:00 PM
Apparently, even republicant's know that voter ID laws are designed to eliminate democrat voters!

A Pennsylvania judge on Tuesday blocked the state from enforcing its strict voter ID law before the presidential election, citing "disenfranchisement" concerns. The ruling in a vital battleground state comes five weeks before the election.

The ruling, which could still be appealed, followed two days of testimony about the state's efforts to make it easier to get a valid photo ID, as well as possible hurdles for those seeking proper identification.

The challenge to the six-month-old law is one of several across the country to laws -- largely backed by Republican legislators -- requiring voters to show photo identification.

Republicans say the laws are necessary to prevent election fraud. But Democrats, who in Pennsylvania joined up with the AARP and NAACP in opposition, claim residents could be blocked from exercising their right to vote.

Judge Robert Simpson said in his opinion Tuesday he anticipates that by Election Day, "the gap between the photo IDs issued and the estimated need will not be closed."

He added: "Consequently, I am not still convinced in my predictive judgment that there will be no voter disenfranchisement arising out of the Commonwealth's implementation of a voter identification requirement for purposes of the upcoming election."

The ruling blocks the law before November, but would still allow it to go into effect next year. Shannon Royer, the state's deputy secretary of state, said officials are "reviewing all legal options" but said the state is "pleased" the law itself was upheld.

"Under today's ruling, voter ID will be implemented on a different timeframe. This November, all voters will be asked to show photo ID when they vote, though it will not be required," she said in a statement.

The law was already a partisan lightning rod when a top Republican lawmaker boasted over the summer that it would allow Republican nominee Mitt Romney to beat Democratic President Obama in Pennsylvania.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/judge-halts-pa-tough-new-voter-id-requirement/
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:31:16 PM
Try reading all the way through


The ruling blocks the law before November, but would still allow it to go into effect next year. Shannon Royer, the state's deputy secretary of state, said officials are "reviewing all legal options" but said the state is "pleased" the law itself was upheld.


The law was upheld. Just delayed which is reasonable. The argument that it is racist and suppression is invalid. implementing this close to election is not reasonable. If it would have been implemented 2 years ago when it first started being submitted it would have been fine. This is a timing problem. And I will even say that timing sucked.

That doesn't change that the law isn't suppression.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 440
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:02:58 PM
Can you say "Voter registration fraud" by the GOP in Florida?
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:11:08 PM
here... I cut it down to just the words that matter. For some reason the concept is difficult for people to understand

, but would still allow it to go into effect next year.


Means, no fraud, no suppression, nothing but to aggressive timing.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 442
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:30:55 PM
Ahhhh, whatever! Can't take the glow off this day!

Happy days are here again,
the republicans can't steal the election again!
so be of good cheer again.
happy days are here again!

We got em on the run! Pennsylvania is free to vote this year. Then we can reform the law later, or at least see that they issue voter ID, WITHOUT trying to eliminate legitimate voters. Early voting has begun in Ohio, which means they can no longer eliminate some of those early hours. Finally the Florida officials are NOW looking into the voter fraud committed by who? THE REPUBLICANS!!! Hahahahahaha!!!

Yeah they even KNEW this guy was a cheat and a liar, but still plunked down 3 mill, to have him run their voter registration... now we just have to wait, hope that some of those democrats who were registered by this group, look to find out if their forms were destroyed by the republicants...

See, gotta give ya an "i told ya so"....these guys have a new generation of frauds and cheaters EVERY 10 years all the way back to Nixon!
 sweetest
Joined: 10/8/2007
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:47:05 PM

That doesn't change that the law isn't suppression.

^^^Of course this law is suppression!

If the Republicans were looking to tighten laws to restrict the literally non-existence of voter impersonation, 2008 would have been a good time to make and roll out 'reasonable' changes that would allow people enough time to get an ID.

Most of the difficulty is not with getting an ID...although it's definitely onerous for some folks. It's getting the right paperwork that some folks don't have. Look at my last posting on this Voter ID thread and read how it's impacting people across the country. I clipped notes only for the first few...there were many, many more. It's unfair and it speaks to a party having no moral compass whatsoever.


July 8, 2012 / Catherine Crier - Acclaimed Author, Former Judge, Award-Winning Journalist
and Television Broadcaster

Pennsylvania’s Voter ID law is nothing more than an attempt to suppress groups who traditionally vote democratic, of which there are 785k registered to vote who lack a photo ID.

According to Mother Jones, UFO sightings are 3615 times more common than instances of voter fraud, and yet Republicans are treating this as a dire emergency to prevent some imaginary government takeover.



"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: Done," Turzai said."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
^^^What do you call this??


Maddow Blog - Widespread disenfranchising in Pennsylvania
By Steve Benen

About a week ago, Republican Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania’s House Majority Leader, made a startling confession. Boasting about the state’s new voter-ID law, which was ostensibly about the integrity of the electoral process, Turzai bragged that the law “is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.”

The surprising candor helped reinforce what Democrats have argued all along: these laws are about disenfranchising voters Republicans don’t like. The right usually maintains the trumped up “voter fraud” pretense, but once in a great while, a GOP official will slip and tell the truth.

And the truth, at least in the Keystone State, is that Republicans are prepared to block a huge chunk of the voting-age population from participating in their own democracy.

Nearly 10 percent of Pennsylvania’s registered voters do not have photo identification cards from the state transportation department and could be ineligible to vote in November under the state’s new Republican-backed voter ID law.

The Pennsylvania Department of State reported Tuesday that more than 758,000 registered voters lack a standard driver’s license or a non-driver photo ID. That’s 9.2 percent of the state’s 8.2 million voters.

In Philadelphia, where Democrats outnumber Republicans by about 6-1, 18 percent of the city’s registered voters do not have the state photo ID, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.



Mother Jones - The GOP says election fraud is rampant. A close look at the numbers shows there’s no evidence of that.
—By Hamed Aleaziz, Dave Gilson, and Jaeah Lee | July/August 2012 Issue

Since 2001, nearly 1,000 bills that would tighten voting laws have been introduced in 46 states.

24 voting restrictions have passed in 17 states since 2011. This fall, new laws could affect more than 5 million voters in states representing 179 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency.

In the past two years, 5 battleground states (Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) have tightened their voting laws.

As of April, 74 restrictive voting laws were on the table in 24 states.



Sources: Brennan Center for Justice; Gabriel R. Sanchez, Stephen A. Nuño, and Matt A. Barreto

80 percent of the 75 million eligible voters who did not take part in the 2008 election were not registered to vote.

In 2008, more than 1/3 of voters cast ballots before Election Day. In 2011, 5 states passed bills to restrict early voting.

States with Election Day registration have 7 to 12 percent greater turnout than states without. Last year, 5 states introduced bills that eliminate Election Day registration.

12 percent of minority voters report registering through voter drives, twice the rate of white voters. In 2011, Florida and Texas passed laws making registration drives much harder to organize.

Florida state Sen. Mike Bennett, a supporter of the tougher voter registration law, said, “I don’t have a problem making it harder. I want people in Florida to want to vote as bad as that person in Africa who walks 200 miles across the desert. This should not be easy.”


Viviette Applewhite now 93 can't vote after 60 years of voting because of the impediments put against her to get the ID. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_jMbLbWOGw

 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 444
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Posted: 10/2/2012 7:38:42 PM
Not to rain on folks parade, but there are still 8 other states with the inability to vote in this election, and several of of those states are crucial to Obama's second term. To me, this is not a victory though impressive but that is just PA and even so the law is still intact unfortunately.
 Caroline1225
Joined: 4/22/2010
Msg: 445
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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:05:01 AM
What is wrong with proving who you are? A person has to show an ID to buy alcohol or to write a check. Shouldn't the same be true for something as important as voting?
 sweetest
Joined: 10/8/2007
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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:02:58 AM

What is wrong with proving who you are? A person has to show an ID to buy alcohol or to write a check. Shouldn't the same be true for something as important as voting?


^^^There is nothing wrong with having ID for a variety of reasons. That said, many people...the elderly, students, often very poor people have ID...just not what is now required for these particular states. And yes, they have functioned in voting without it. Remember, there is virtually no trace of voter impersonation out there...so therefore these efforts to fight against so-called 'fraud' are nothing more than placing hurdles to voting.

The Republican party has analyzed the President's win in 2008 and while they were plotting a game plan to be obstructionists (to vote against every bill in his term...even if it hurt the nation) on the very eve of his inauguration, they also dissected the vote that got the President elected and started up that 'machine' up to make it decidedly harder for all of the President's main constituents to get to the polls in 2012.

This is what is behind this sudden 'we must defend against of voter fraud rally' from the right.

It's attempting to win at all costs -- not on ideas, not on making your case to the people, (remember that same "We the People"...) but to separate as many Democrats as possible from the ' imagined evil' of voter fraud, thereby reducing the President's ability to win a second term.

And if you're a Republican and still have a 'yeah but..' in you...here's more:


As a registered voter, I thought I always had to supply some form of ID during an election.

Not quite. Per federal law, first-time voters who registered by mail must present a photo ID or copy of a current bill or bank statement. Some states generally advise voters bring some form of photo ID. But prior to the 2006 election, no state ever required a voter to produce a government-issued photo ID as a condition to voting. Indiana in 2006 became the first state to enact a strict photo ID law, a law that was upheld two years later by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Why has there been such a recent surge in voter ID legislation around the country?

This report by NYU's Brennan Center for Justice cites primarily big Republican gains in the 2010 midterms which turned voter ID laws into a "major legislative priority." Aside from Rhode Island, all voter ID legislation has been introduced by Republican-majority legislatures.

News21 also has this report on the close affiliation between the bills’ sponsors and the conservative nonprofit group, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

--Pro Publica Journalism in the Public Interest




5 things you should know
about voter id laws

These are not bipartisan efforts. They are initiated by Republicans, passed by Republicans, and signed into law by Republicans. The State House Majority Leader in PA asserted that these voter restrictions would allow Mitt Romney to win the state.

The voters most likely to be burdened by these new voting restrictions are Democrats. Consider which voters don't have ID. Among seniors and young voters, 18% don't have valid ID. Among African Americans, 25% don't have valid ID.

Restrictions on voting, like poll taxes and "literacy" tests, have a long history. They are used by one party to prevent supporters of another party from voting.

If someone were trying to steal an election, in person voter fraud, where a voter pretends to be someone they are not at the polls, is the last method anyone would chose. Absentee ballot stuffing is much easier. But more Republicans vote by absentee ballot. So no new restrictions on absentee voting.

The Brennan Center has estimated that as many as 3.2 million citizens could find it harder to vote because of new voter ID laws.

---Let My People Vote, Schlep Labs and The Great Schlep are all projects of JCER. Jewish Council for Education and Research



The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State...
... on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude..."
Fifteenth Amendment, United States Constitution

... on account of sex."
Nineteenth Amendment, United States Constitution

... by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Twenty-Fourth Amendment, United States Constitution

... on account of age."
Twenty-Sixth Amendment, United States Constitution

ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union
 Caroline1225
Joined: 4/22/2010
Msg: 447
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Posted: 10/3/2012 9:54:33 AM
The Democrats don't want photo id as that would prevent all the dead people from voting for Democrat candidates. That's why they fight voter id laws so hard.
 Caroline1225
Joined: 4/22/2010
Msg: 448
New ID voter law?
Posted: 10/4/2012 2:09:27 AM

The Voter ID law is designed, as the judge in Pennsylvannia has pointed out, to take Democrat voters out of the voting pool and rig the election in favor of the Republican candidate

Oh please. I bet that judge is a Democrat. Using the judge's logic we should do away with all photo ids since the poor might not be able to afford a photo ID to buy their 40.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 449
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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:11:43 AM
The Voter ID law is designed, as the judge in Pennsylvannia has pointed out, to take Democrat voters out of the voting pool and rig the election in favor of the Republican candidate

Maybe you could point out the words that the republican candidate is rigging the election. I really can't seem to find that. Here is the ruling. Please... help me find the words that should lead to an immediate federal criminal investigation.

http://www.pacourts.us/NR/rdonlyres/CFBF4323-B964-4846-8179-88D689375C10/0/CMWSuppDetAppPrelInjOrder_100212.pdf

I did find this...

Although not necessary for preliminary injunction
purposes, my estimate of the percentage of registered
voters who did not have photo ID as of June, 2012, is
somewhat more than 1% and significantly less than 9%,
based on the testimony of Rebecca K. Oyler and
inferences favorable to Respondents. I rejected
Petitioners’ attempts to inflate the numbers in various
ways.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 450
New ID voter law?
Posted: 10/4/2012 9:40:50 AM

I did find this...

Although not necessary for preliminary injunction
purposes, my estimate of the percentage of registered
voters who did not have photo ID as of June, 2012, is
somewhat more than 1% and significantly less than 9%,
based on the testimony of Rebecca K. Oyler and
inferences favorable to Respondents. I rejected
Petitioners’ attempts to inflate the numbers in various
ways.

Great, and when you can show that somewhat more than 1% and significantly less than 9% are voting illegally and picture id will stop that, then you will have a valid point.

Until said time, you seem to be for preventing somewhat more than 1% and significantly less than 9% from voting for no good reason.
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