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 Aries_328
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The ironic thing is, that the GOP decided to bribe the RICHEST people, because they correctly realized that they could donate much more cash to help defray campaign costs, but they completely overlooked the fact that the richest people also cast the fewest ballots. This is part of why I think they decided to promote this whole "discourage as many voters as possible" routine. It's an attempt to make up for having chose the least populated portion of the electorate to cater to, by limiting as many of the rest of the electorate from voting at all as they can, while doing their best to frighten enough others to swing things their way.


Meh... There has always been a quasi bribing between business and government. They really do need each other to survive. Business is the GDP and Government needs an economy for the nation. It is sometimes adversarial and it is sometime beneficial. What it isn't is class determination.

What we don't have is a full democracy and although the right to vote is guaranteed there is no obligation to vote. That is entirely made up by the left side because in that obligation comes numbers. Those numbers can be influenced through media, propaganda, demagoguery and many other means that changes the vote from a conscious act to a statement of opposition which is not beneficial.

The liberal wings have always and forever framed their basis for existence on class struggle. Those that have not having more but those that have preventing them from ever having more. That is an argument framed and supported for the sole reason of triggering emotional responses from everyone that doesn't consider their situation in life 'fair' and gives them an outlet beyond their own ability and speaks to the natural human desire to be taken care of. There is a case for society where this is true. That doesn't mean the current argument is true. There will always be a 1%.

The conservative approach is not "for the wealthy" it is about property rights, ownership, and the ability to succeed which includes the ability to fail and requires responsibility for ones self. Something not exactly natural to human condition. It is doing what is right even if it doesn't always win the golden ring. It is rewarding excellence and effort. It does cause the ability for a family to succeed and to keep that success within that family. Someone had to succeed. It's risky. The balance of liberal ideals helps with the risk but not when the reason for the risk is forgotten.

Vote responsibly. That should include voting a benefit out of existence. Unfortunately... the benefit people are most willing to give up is their individual sovereignty. Welcome to human nature. It's for the common good. This is a direct result of not teaching what it really means to be American.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 11/27/2012 4:42:47 PM
The conservative approach is not "for the wealthy" it is about property rights, ownership, and the ability to succeed which includes the ability to fail and requires responsibility for ones self.


That is more subtle and lopsided than the words convey.

"Property rights" especially are not at all obvious, nor are they remotely as straightforward as it sounds when someone says "I own it, I should be able to use it as I want." Thing of it is, ownership has been DEFINED by the powerful people of the world. NOT by everyone working equally to decide what constitutes who owns what, and to what extent. that's where the trick is.

Do you "own" a piece of land in this country? Really? No, you can acquire a specific set of temporary privileges over a piece of ground, but you never actually own it.

Many of the fights between so-called "liberals" and so-called "conservatives" over ownership and responsibility, aren't because one side wants to have complete ownership and responsibility and the other doesn't; it's because one side wants TAILORED privileges over property, which allow them to gain profits from those special privileges, without having to be responsible for the consequences of extracting those profits. They expect their own rewards for their being willing to invest what they "own," should be rewarded with zero requirement to accept the responsibility or the real costs of doing business.

For example, they want 100% of the responsibility for the health and lives (especially childhood and old age) of the people who do the work to gain them their profits, to be saddled to the workers themselves, but they refuse to permit any of the natural and logical COSTS that the workers have to bear, to have any connection at at all to deciding how much THEIR contribution is to be reimbursed. In short, they want profits to be decided by how much THEY put in, but for costs to be decided by how much of the true cost they can avoid paying. And they avoid paying their true costs, by acquiring political power, and using that power to redefine what 'responsibility" and "ownership" and "cost" mean, entirely in their own favor.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/27/2012 4:54:54 PM
IOW it is a whole lot more complicated than "tax the rich" and "let them eat cake" that seems to be the soundbyte version all over the place.

Also, not a well informed electorate that can't make informed decisions because its so muddled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YNN62qTTdhA#t=200s
Why are we trying to act like Britain? I don't understand.... Do you?
How many people know that it sounds exactly the same.

So, when its said that we are becoming little Europe... its not kidding. Looking to Europe as a model is and has always been a failure. Parliament sounds like a POF political forum.
 hoopsnhikes
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 504
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Posted: 11/27/2012 7:15:15 PM

Joining him in the barrel of muck is the secretary of state of Ohio. Who now wants to have his state cease to be "winner takes all" in the electoral college. He thinks a better idea is to disenfranchise the majority of people by giving the various electoral votes to the different districts that vote. So a district with a population of say 250,000 will have parity with a district of 2 million.

It would be based on congressional districts, which are based on population. So I have no idea how you came up with those theoretical numbers with such a large disparity between them. That would be some very outdated census data.

My blue state uses this system. But we are much smaller with just two congressional districts, with the remaining two electoral votes being decided by the statewide popular vote. This means that the split is always either 4-0 or 3-1 in favor of the popular vote. All the outrage I've seen over Husted's comments are "assuming" that he is proposing an identical system, but I wasn't able to find where he ever included any details with his comments. Obviously an identical system in a bigger state could lead to an issue where the majority of the electoral votes do not follow the popular vote. To me, that would be a problem. Then again, it would really be no different than how it is done on the national level...just on a smaller scale.


Funny that...the right wingnut evangelical fascist neo-con's have been screaming for a popular vote election all year long in fear that President Obama might win the electoral college but not the popular vote...

I don't see how it is any more or less funny than you calling for the same thing:


...in this day and age how we could re-elect Pres. Bush without a popular vote (and help from Florida's registrar of voters and SCOTUS) is incomprehensible...

So you're saying you agree with the "right wingnut evangelical fascist neo cons" on this matter.

And actually, Bush did win the popular vote when he was re-elected.


Then it should be no problem for you to post examples of voter fraud that occurred in Fla. in the last election and how picture ID would have prevented that, or one can just assume that you are making stuff up.

If this particular type of voter fraud was always able to be caught without certain laws in place, then obviously yes, there would be no need for the laws.

That would be like saying, if there are no speed limits on a certain road, the fact that nobody has been caught speeding on that road is proof that speed limits are not needed. It's a circular argument.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 505
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:18:12 AM

That would be like saying, if there are no speed limits on a certain road, the fact that nobody has been caught speeding on that road is proof that speed limits are not needed. It's a circular argument.


No it is not a circular argument. There are rules and laws already in place about who can vote within the states...it's enforcement that is the issue. And this past election was a prime example of how the repuglicants reduced early voting days and hours at polling stations in an effort to reduce democrat voting...little did they know it would also effect repuglicant voters...and compressing the voters into long lines on election day...increasing the likelyhood of improper voting due to over worked poll workers.


And actually, Bush did win the popular vote when he was re-elected.


You are right it was the 2000 election that Bush won without the popular vote.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 506
New ID voter law?
Posted: 11/28/2012 5:27:17 PM
Uh oh...do we have a new meatloaf man?

"There has always been a quasi bribing between business and government."

Oh really? What about the first 70 odd years of this country, when the economy was agricultural in nature? What was the bribe then? I can see the government made allowances for slavery...that's sooo avante guarde of them! But I fail to see who did the bribing...not much taxes then...

"What we don't have is a full democracy and although the right to vote is guaranteed there is no obligation to vote. That is made up by the left side because in that obligation comes numbers."

Ahhh, so then it MUST BE the duty of the right to suppress that vote...to make up for their lack of numbers, right?

"Those numbers can be influenced through propaganda, demagoguery and many other means that changes the vote from a conscious act to a statement of opposition which is not beneficial."

Gee, is that something like mitt trying to eliminate the estate and capital gains taxes, I mean that would be beneficial to some. Or the promise of an elimination of certain agencies EPA, FDA things like that, wouldn't that be beneficial to some?

"The liberal wings have always and forever framed their basis for existance on class struggle"

Yes, that is an interesting statement that hardly frames it correctly. The class struggle, is to better yourself, or your children in the future...you seem to think life is dandy if the rich can lock the door behind them. As for 'emotional response'...who doesn't have one? The bigot has one, the "let's not worry about the 47%" has one, even the poor with crack dealers on their streets have one!

"doesn't consider their situation in life 'fair' and gives them an outlet beyond their own ability and speaks to the natural human desire to be taken care of"

Oh gawd, what tripe! Few in this country want to be taken care of, they want a return to pride in a job well done, or the ability to have things politicians trot out only at election time, then stow away for the next election cycle. You don't want a man to improve his lot in life, because he is a line worker, than don't talk about the "american dream" of home ownership. They don't want mansions, or MBenz's...they want to live in a nice residence, put food on the table and maybe have a few nice things and take care of their kids...

"the ability to succeed which includes the ability to fail and requires responsibilty for ones self"

More horseshit! Not everyone longs for the corner office, or to start a business. Some are happy to be working stiffs. You pile this dung up, like everyone who is liberal is sitting home on their ass, watching Oprah and getting a $70K check a year from the government.

"It is doing what is right even if it doesn't always win the golden ring"

Now that one deserves a hahaha! Right for who? The owner who closes his factory and sends the work to china? Or the guy who put in 15 years on the business onwers line in the shop? He makes more, the worker loses his job. So lets put a tariff on that merchandise, if he wants to sell it, let him sell it to the chinese who made it! There will always be more workers than bosses...so let the problem be his!

"It is rewarding excellence and effort. It does cause the ability for a family to succeed and to keep that success within that family. Someone had to succeed."

Are you not sure your not mitt's love child? hahahahaha!!! See my first comment on estate and capital gains taxes!

"Vote responsibly. That should include voting a benefit out of existance."

Is that like voting to end oil subsidies, or farm subsidies(which benefits an ADM more than some poor or small farmer), or cattle subsidies to name but a few?

"Welcome to human nature. It's not for the common good. This is a direct result of not teaching what it really means to be American."

So then you are implying that the common good belongs only to companies and the rich..the rest can go fuk themselves? Hahahahaha! So "what it really means to be American" means getting our products from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, India...so our citizens stay unemployed or marginally employed and the Waltons get richer selling us the shit, and manufacturing makes the rich richer, by doing it overseas and screw everyone else?

Boy, I don't want to be an "American" by your definition. That's just to fuked up to even consider. I don't know where you learned your economics, but there must have been about 150 pages missing from that book! Or it was a night course taught at Mittness U! Hahahahahaha!
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:28:35 PM
The destructive election is over.

The voting process needs to be fixed. Checks and balances need to be in place and rampant voter registration drives need to be shut down. Fraud can exist in many forms. To bad we can't raise the voting age to 21.


http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

10/22/12: ARKANSAS: vote buying
"[former Democrat state Rep. Hudson]Hallum and three others have pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to commit election fraud during the special election that put him in the Arkansas House of Representatives in 2011. A total of nine people have been charged by federal and state authorities in connection with the plan." Eric Shawn, Vodka for votes: Arkansas rep, operatives await sentencing in fraud scheme, Fox News, Oct. 22, 2012



11/29/12: OREGON: Deanna Swenson: ballot tampering
"A grand jury has indicted a Clackamas County woman, for alleged ballot tampering. Deanna Swenson was a temp working for Clackamas County Elections." Clackamas Woman Indicted for Voter Fraud, OPB, Nov. 29, 2012.



11/8/12: NEW YORK: Sang Soo Park: improper influence
"A case of election fraud occurred in Flushing when a Korean-American translator helping voters at PS 20 was caught directing them to vote for Democratic candidates. A volunteer poll watcher confirmed the incident. The translator, Sang Soo Park, was expelled from the polling place for breaking the law by telling at least three voters to choose the Democratic slate, according to the observer, attorney Daniel Baek." Peter C. Mastrosimone, Election fraud in Flushing by Korean poll interpreter, Queens Chronicle, Nov. 8, 2012.


http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/08e7196e074e447fae63f88cf390a8e2/MA--Voter-Fraud-Lawmaker

BOSTON — A Massachusetts lawmaker who agreed to plead guilty to casting invalid absentee ballots in 2009 and 2010 has submitted his resignation letter.


http://www.westernjournalism.com/no-evidence-of-voter-fraud-except-in-ny-nj-md-and-mass/

The Democrats—especially Eric Holder—love to tell us there is little if any voter fraud. Well, if you don’t include the recent voter fraud in New York, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts!
Obama did win the election, right? Maybe


http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/12/31/if-not-for-voter-fraud-did-romney-defeat-obama/

The video below makes a strong allegation that, so far, has not been proved in total. We don’t know that, but for fraud, Romney would have won. What we do know is that a lot of voter fraud took place in 2012, just as it did when Obama was cheating Hillary Clinton in the caucus process in 2008.

Was it enough to flip the election? We may never know, unless someone devotes massive resources to cataloging all the instances that occurred. Even then, that can only include the known and verifiable instances, and as we know of vote fraud, much goes undetected. For now, we have examples, and food for thought.


And we can still have the real big conspiracies
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/11/d-c-today-week-of-the-long-knives-this-could-explain-everything-2469202.html

General Petraeus Knew About Obama Fixing the 2012 Election


We may never know... Apparently voting is like God to democrats... You just can't prove existence.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 508
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:37:10 PM
Hmmm, you forgot to mention the republican guy, who was hired by the RNC, paid $5 million to register republican voters in 5 or 6 states...and was caught dumping any democrats they had registered.

So in your head of course, ONLY the democrats do this sort of thing?

As for conspiracies, well when it reaches court, we will see if it holds water...but the above case you failed to mention, affected states like Florida, North Carolina and I believe Virginia...all contested states...the other states were not likely to affect how those states final tallies looked...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:42:31 PM

So in your head of course, ONLY the democrats do this sort of thing?

As for conspiracies, well when it reaches court, we will see if it holds water...but the above case you failed to mention, affected states like Florida, North Carolina and I believe Virginia...all contested states...the other states were not likely to affect how those states final tallies looked...


Nah but I thought it was funny. All you did was just confirm that fraud really does exist which was my real point. Haha, thanks for that.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 510
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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:36:48 AM

...All you did was just confirm that fraud really does exist which was my real point.

...and you just confirmed that voter fraud has nothing to do with ID.
 lovseekr
Joined: 11/28/2012
Msg: 511
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:42:22 AM
there is no way to know for sure until you allow people to verify that people are who they say they are and that they have a legal right to vote...If liberals are so sure that voter fraud doesn't exist then why are they so against insuring the integrity of the election process ...Try a valid argument not the tired liberal BS of disenfranchisement ...when you take away that Liberal fabrication there is no rational reason not to require ID to vote...

It's funny to see Libs argue about infringing on the Right to vote but then infringe on the Right to Bear arms by arguing for Gun Control on other threads...

Or to see them argue For abortion(Pro choice) depriving aborted babies the most fundamental right..the Right to LIFE...
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 512
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:55:49 AM

...If liberals are so sure that voter fraud doesn't exist then why are they so against insuring the integrity of the election process ...

Because voter fraud does exist, but as noted several times in this thread, it has nothing to do with picture ID.




Try a valid argument not the tired liberal BS of disenfranchisement ...when you take away that Liberal fabrication there is no rational reason not to require ID to vote...

True, other than the fact there is no reason presented that justifies a need for picture ID to vote, because people know that it is nothing more than a fabrication designed to disenfranchise voters.



So why do you not try a valid argument, instead of saying liberal this and liberal that, as it really just makes you look like an uniformed hater.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:33:49 AM

Because voter fraud does exist, but as noted several times in this thread, it has nothing to do with picture ID.


You have absolutely no basis at all for making that claim. Many of the incidents involved double voting, voting in others names, and foreign voting. All of those cases are related to a picture ID or could have been made more complicated or prevented.

You picked the phrase "Nothing to do with Picture ID" early on in this thread. Just after claiming voter fraud didn't exist. I'm assuming you no longer think voter fraud doesn't exist?

The claim of disenfranchisement is an asinine claim similar to crying fire in a crowded theater and is nothing but an incitement of a targeted crowd and meant to inflame old wounds and use hatred as a tool to manipulate. Such is the liberal way. There should be shame in such tactics but again... that is the liberal way.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 514
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:54:01 AM

You have absolutely no basis at all for making that claim...

True that is a good point, other than the overwhelming evidence that has been presented that shows you are completely wrong, you are making an excellent point.




...Many of the incidents involved double voting, voting in others names, and foreign voting.

By many do you mean less than 5 in the last 10 years?




...All of those cases are related to a picture ID or could have been made more complicated or prevented.

Yes because that is what you want to do, is make things more complicated.




You picked the phrase "Nothing to do with Picture ID" early on in this thread. Just after claiming voter fraud didn't exist. I'm assuming you no longer think voter fraud doesn't exist?

and once again you show that your assumptions are both wrong and based on derp.





The claim of disenfranchisement is an asinine claim similar to crying fire in a crowded theater...

Good point as clearly letting people know that they are about to be burned is just a tool used to incite hate towards the guy with a match.





...Such is the liberal way. There should be shame in such tactics but again... that is the liberal way.

Such is the derpy way, there should be shame in such derp but again, that is the derpy way.


...and remember kids buy gold
 lovseekr
Joined: 11/28/2012
Msg: 515
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Posted: 1/2/2013 10:42:26 AM
Derpy? about as derpy as saying that Picture ID's would not keep ineligible people from voting ...I bet you think that there were no Gays in the military when they had the "don't ask don't tell" Policy....How do you know that people do not vote illegally? If you are not allowed to verify that they are who they say they are or that they are citizens there is no way to know who or how many vote every year illegally....talk about a "Derp"
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 516
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Posted: 1/2/2013 10:55:20 AM

Derpy? about as derpy as saying that Picture ID's would not keep ineligible people from voting

Then please explain how someone who is ineligible to vote could get away with voting and how that would be different if they had to show picture id.




...I bet you think that there were no Gays in the military when they had the "don't ask don't tell" Policy

I bet you just make stuff up that makes no sense and shows you are grasping at straws.




....How do you know that people do not vote illegally?

Never said they didn't just showed and provided references to the fact that voter fraud has little to nothing to do with picture ID and involve other things unrelated to picture ID.




If you are not allowed to verify that they are who they say they are or that they are citizens there is no way to know who or how many vote every year illegally....talk about a "Derp"

Actually there is a way and that way have been used for some time now and it does not involve picture ID.
 muzzola_oil
Joined: 12/28/2012
Msg: 517
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:54:56 PM
i don't see why a voter ID card with pic is such a problem.

but it doesn't really matter anymore.

with 51% of the voters bought and paid for in the last election there is zero chance that a republican can be elected ever again.

people will put up with this until it's time to rumble, then we'll need our assault rifles. i estimate 30% to 40% of our military will become patriots and bring the tanks, surface to air missles, grenade launchers, aircraft etc etc etc to the side of the right. then we can get down to brass tacks. buy your assault rifles and 30 clip magazines NOW while you still can. we have a war to fight in 15 years or so.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 518
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/2/2013 5:43:38 PM

people will put up with this until it's time to rumble, then we'll need our assault rifles. i estimate 30% to 40% of our military will become patriots and bring the tanks, surface to air missles, grenade launchers, aircraft etc etc etc to the side of the right. then we can get down to brass tacks. buy your assault rifles and 30 clip magazines NOW while you still can. we have a war to fight in 15 years or so.


Where is my gawddayum tinfoil helmet????those gawddayum crazy microwaves are starting to give me amassive headache.



11/29/12: OREGON: Deanna Swenson: ballot tampering
"A grand jury has indicted a Clackamas County woman, for alleged ballot tampering. Deanna Swenson was a temp working for Clackamas County Elections." Clackamas Woman Indicted for Voter Fraud, OPB, Nov. 29, 2012


ROFLMAO...she's a republican and:

Swenson, a part-time temporary elections employee and a registered Republican, allegedly filled in down-ballot races left blank to cast additional votes for Republicans.

Swenson, a Beavercreek resident, is charged with two counts each of unlawfully altering a cast ballot, unlawfully voting more than once and first-degree official misconduct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021910805

how would voter ID's stop this???


"A case of election fraud occurred in Flushing when a Korean-American translator helping voters at PS 20 was caught directing them to vote for Democratic candidates


and a voter ID would stop this how???



Was it enough to flip the election? We may never know, unless someone devotes massive resources to cataloging all the instances that occurred. Even then, that can only include the known and verifiable instances, and as we know of vote fraud, much goes undetected. For now, we have examples, and food for thought.


You mean those paranoid right wingnut repuglicants??? One would think this would have already been done...if there actual was massive voter fraud...which apparently there isn't...
 muzzola_oil
Joined: 12/28/2012
Msg: 519
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/2/2013 6:06:34 PM
there's no doubt a civil war is now brewing. it was the north against the south the first time.

this time it will be the left wing government and left wing liberals against the right wing patriots.

we'll only take so much.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 520
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:09:43 PM

there's no doubt a civil war is now brewing. it was the north against the south the first time.

this time it will be the left wing government and left wing liberals against the right wing patriots.

we'll only take so much


As meatloaf man has said: "If you hate this country so much just move to some other fascist nation"

(adapted for my own purposes)
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 521
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/2/2013 8:20:15 PM
Well that poster didn't last long! Guess he may have taken your advice and fled to Somalia, where they appreciate a person with a gun!
 lovseekr
Joined: 11/28/2012
Msg: 522
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/3/2013 5:13:58 AM

Then please explain how someone who is ineligible to vote could get away with voting and how that would be different if they had to show picture id.
Fill out voter registration form online, mark none for drivers license and SS number...show up at polling station with bank statement and utility bill..VOTE..
IN some states:
"A debit or credit card"
"Health Club ID"
"If you do not have the proper identification, you will be provided with a provisional ballot. Your provisional ballot will count if the signature on the provisional ballot envelope matches the signature on your voter registration application."
"Please note that voters who do not have an acceptable form of ID or failed to bring it with them to the polls still can vote. They simply sign a brief affidavit stating that they're not in possession of a photo ID. Their ballots are included with all others and counted on Election Day."
"To register, you need (1) an address from which you plan to vote, and (2) an ID number – either a current and valid driver’s license or your social security number, if you don’t have the former. If you have neither a current driver’s license nor a social security number (not that you can’t remember them), you can still register by indicating on the registration form that you have neither identification number."

Government picture ID requirements would eliminate ineligible voters from playing the system...
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 523
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/3/2013 7:31:34 AM

Government picture ID requirements would eliminate ineligible voters from playing the system..

Why you explained how someone can vote, you have yet to explain how someone can vote illegally and how picture ID would stop that.

All you did was show that picture ID is just another layer on an already full cake that would only drive up costs to both tax payers and the government and based on the current evidnce of ID based voter fraud would affect 1 out of every 15 million voters.

So I guess you are for irresponsible spending on programs that do nothing.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 524
New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/4/2013 11:26:31 AM

Fill out voter registration form online, mark none for drivers license and SS number...show up at polling station with bank statement and utility bill..VOTE..
IN some states:
"A debit or credit card"
"Health Club ID"
"If you do not have the proper identification, you will be provided with a provisional ballot. Your provisional ballot will count if the signature on the provisional ballot envelope matches the signature on your voter registration application."
"Please note that voters who do not have an acceptable form of ID or failed to bring it with them to the polls still can vote. They simply sign a brief affidavit stating that they're not in possession of a photo ID. Their ballots are included with all others and counted on Election Day."
"To register, you need (1) an address from which you plan to vote, and (2) an ID number – either a current and valid driver’s license or your social security number, if you don’t have the former. If you have neither a current driver’s license nor a social security number (not that you can’t remember them), you can still register by indicating on the registration form that you have neither identification number."



If there's soooo much voter fraud....then please post some supporting documentation where ppl have been arrested and convicted of voter fraud...because I, and almost all of America, aren't seeing all this wanton fraud...just a lot of repuglicant ranting about supposed fraud backed up by alligations without arrests or convictions.
 Aries_328
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New ID voter law?
Posted: 1/4/2013 5:30:34 PM

If there's soooo much voter fraud....then please post some supporting documentation where ppl have been arrested and convicted of voter fraud...because I, and almost all of America, aren't seeing all this wanton fraud...just a lot of repuglicant ranting about supposed fraud backed up by alligations without arrests or convictions.


I did. Several.
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