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 Aries_328
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Why the alarm for requierement of ID pic in order to vote?
Who cares?
With the exception of the year 1964 and 1968, the media of the population who votes is only 45% of the total, including the illegals with a consular card.


Why the alarm... Really sick and tired of hearing about stolen elections. If people are going to continually claim fraud then do at least a min attempt of voter validation.

Who cares? Anyone that cares about the integrity of the voting process or for that matter the stability of their countries political system.

That turnout number is another reason why it does not make any sense to not show ID. Those who vote are typically voting because they feel they have a vested interest in the outcome. That is the way it is.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 102
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Posted: 3/23/2012 9:00:37 AM
Gawd! Don't you guys EVER get tired of blaming illegals for all the woes of this country?

Most of them avoid places where anything will be questioned, because it takes the chance of being discovered. I've yet to enter a polling place that didn't have a few police or other forms of authority hanging around.

Since they came here to work, or live, do you really think they'd risk that on a chance, to be shipped off to their country of origin? If they get sick, yes they go to hospitals, what other choice do they have? They may try and register at DMV, in order to try and get around, again, rarely are there police, all around them there.

I'm not saying illegals shouldn't be dealt with, whatever that means. Some want them deported, some want them shot, some want them to pay taxes. Unfortunately this country and the politicians themselves are so divided on the issue, no one wants to put forward, a comprehensive plan for dealing with the issue, for fear of a political backlash. When one IS put forward, there is such a deadlock in the "do nothing congress", that it never goes anywhere.

IF there is a voter fraud issue, it is minor and isolated, not a broad across the country, kind of thing that is organized. You can't get 10 people anywhere to agree to keep something quiet. You think there really could be 100 or several hundred people organizing a plan to get illegals to sway elections?

That is something only the tinfoil hat crowd would come up with. Like the guy on the grassy knoll, or the spacemen from Roswell.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/23/2012 9:36:42 AM

You can't get 10 people anywhere to agree to keep something quiet. You think there really could be 100 or several hundred people organizing a plan to get illegals to sway elections?


But you can get millions of christians organized to vote in a 'tea party'

But you can have claims and claims that an election was stolen...

And you can have recount after recount after recount

There is nothing wrong with a valid vote.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 3/23/2012 9:48:43 AM
"Chad"...is that you???




And you can have recount after recount after recount


I hope you're "hanging" in there buddy!

Forgive me if I'm wrong...but, most of the recounts, if not all, in recent history dealt with hanging chads, absentee ballots, military balloting, computer voting machines, and so on...I'm pressed to remember one recount due to "voter" fraud.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/23/2012 10:36:02 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576246821949372388.html


The report found that in 2004 between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once. The report found that in 2004 a total of 1,305 "same day" voters gave information that was declared "un-enterable" or invalid by election officials.


It isn't always about the big stuff. Yes, the immigrant thing is one 'justification'. It is just a reasonable expectation and we allow for reasonable expectations all the time.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 3/23/2012 10:52:38 AM

The report found that in 2004 between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once. The report found that in 2004 a total of 1,305 "same day" voters gave information that was declared "un-enterable" or invalid by election officials.


Ineligble felons worked the polls and voted? That sounds like a state voter registration administration issue to me....transient college students???

Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2008

College Students Still Face Voting Stumbling Blocks

By Laura Fitzpatrick



It's a quadrennial issue. Every presidential election finds college students wading through a swamp of murky laws and logistical hurdles to get into the polling booths. But this year, amid students' record interest — and record primary turnout — experts say many campus precincts are sorely unprepared to meet student demand. And laws passed after the 2004 election, ostensibly to clamp down on voter fraud, could cause a slew of new problems that disproportionately hit student voters. Which means the question in 2008 isn't whether young voters deliver. "It's can the young voters deliver?" says Matthew Segal, executive director of the Student Association for Voter Empowerment.

The most glaring problems come from lack of preparation. Segal fears not much has changed since his experience as a freshman at Kenyon College in 2004, during the closely contested Ohio race. He manned the 10-hour polling lines on campus, dispensing water, pizza and umbrellas to the stalwarts who stuck around in the rain to cast their votes. To him, the inadequate planning was obvious: registration had surged since 2000, he notes, but the campus precinct had been allocated no additional voting machines. That left two machines for 1,300 voters. "The media angle was, Aren't these young kids heroic to have stood in line all day?" he says. "Rather than, There's something inherently wrong in the first place."

Kenyon has now upped its number of voting machines to 10, but other precincts admit they're still basing their Election Day plans on where the voting rolls stood in August, long before student-voter drives even started, let alone achieved record successes. To accommodate the swollen voting rolls, many understaffed offices will have to hire temps or new employees who are less familiar with standard procedures and may be more prone to making mistakes.

Because local officials have wide latitude in interpreting election laws that vary from state to state, misunderstandings — or misinformation — could have an even greater impact this year than in 2004, given the anticipated bulge in student turnout. Most of the trouble comes from nailing down where college students should be counted as residents if they attend school in one state but go home to another during the holidays. The Supreme Court's position is clear: a 1979 ruling found that all students have the right to vote where they attend college. But local officials often make students travel a rocky road. In recent months, registrars in counties including Montgomery, Va. (home to Virginia Tech), Greenville, S.C. (Furman University), and most recently El Paso, Colo. (Colorado College), issued warnings that were off-putting if not outright alarming: students who register in their college town could be ineligible to be claimed as dependents on their parents' tax returns and might be in danger of losing tuition scholarships. The problem, according to youth-voter advocates and the IRS, was that these dire warnings were incorrect. After widespread outrage, the registrars backed off. But experts worry that the resulting confusion could sour first timers on voting altogether. "It's creating somewhat of a chilling effect," says Steve Fenberg, executive director of the youth civic action group New Era Colorado.

Legal misunderstandings are one thing, but some registrars seem to make political decisions about whether students get to vote locally. In Virginia, for example, where the law stipulates that voters must establish "domicile" in their precincts to register but never defines that term, youth-voter advocates say it's no accident that registrars' rulings are often strictest in small towns, where students could potentially swing a local election. In 2004, after a voter drive registered 2,000 William and Mary students in Williamsburg — home to fewer than 12,000 residents — the local registrar announced that students no longer had domicile and could not vote there. "If you're a homeless person, you're allowed to write down the landmarks that you live around," says Zach Pilchen, president of College Democrats at William and Mary, pointing to a space on Virginia's form reserved for that purpose. "But you can't register from a dormitory." Win Sowder, who took over as Williamsburg's registrar in 2007, says her office no longer asks about domicile or restricts student voting.

Ironically, since the last presidential election, several states that have passed laws intended to restore public confidence in the election process could end up excluding a lot of first-time student voters. Last May, for example, during Indiana's Democratic primary, Melanie Meentz, now 19, arrived as a freshman at the polling place at St. Mary's College with what seemed like documents aplenty: her approved voter registration card for St. Joseph County, where St. Mary's is located, along with her school photo ID, Social Security card and driver's license from Illinois, where she grew up. But under a 2005 Indiana law — upheld last April in a Supreme Court decision that has rankled voter advocates more than any other case since Bush v. Gore — Meentz was refused a ballot because she did not have an in-state ID. And without so much as an explanation of her options, like a provisional or absentee ballot, poll workers sent her home. "That would have been the first time that I would have voted," says Meentz. "I'm still upset about it."

Strict ID laws passed since 2004 — including one that prompted the U.S. Student Association and the ACLU to sue top officials in Michigan on Sept. 18; one the Department of Justice has challenged in Georgia; and similar statutes in Arizona and Florida — fall harder on students than on most voters because so many study out of state. A Rock the Vote poll in February found that 19% of people ages 18-30 don't have a government ID that reflects their current address. And while some states like Ohio will accept alternative ID in the form of a utility bill, producing one can be a tall order for students, who tend to live in dorms and whose utility costs are folded into board fees. The president of Oberlin has issued utility bills for zero payment to all students to allow them to fulfill local residency requirements, and he is urging other schools to do the same. But elsewhere, many students are stuck.

Youth advocates say they will focus on putting out fires until after Election Day. Once the hyper-partisanship has ebbed, they will start a more aggressive push — kicked off by a hearing in front of the House Administration Committee on Sept. 25 — for their long-term legislative goals, which include facilitating student-voter registration both on Election Day and far in advance of it through high school civics classes, as well as more consistent guidelines to help registrars do their jobs and ensure that students get to vote. Says Sujatha Jahagirdar, program director of the Student Public Interest Research Group's New Voters Project: "It's a civil rights issue."

For now, some young voters are left feeling that in the election meant to be their civic coming-out party, whether or not they can make themselves heard is out of their control. Pilchen recalls watching Defense Secretary Robert Gates give a speech at William and Mary in 2007, when students were still licking their wounds from the domicile controversy. "He was expressing outrage about the fact that so many young people don't vote," Pilchen recalls. "Students were trying to vote forever, and they were just being blocked at every turn."

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1849906,00.html

And slews of voter frauding homeless people??? were they registered voters?

Really, the Milwaukee registrar of voters should be ashamed for allowing this rampant voter fraud to occur...still, it has little to do with the issue.


JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL
November 4, 2008
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Milwaukee Puts a Vote-Fraud Cop Out of Business

Local Democrats don't take the issue seriously..

By JOHN FUND

Last week Mike Sandvick, head of the Milwaukee Police Department's five-man Special Investigative Unit, was told by superiors not to send anyone to polling places on Election Day. He was also told his unit -- which wrote the book on how fraud could subvert the vote in his hometown -- would be disbanded.

"We know what to look for," he told me, "and that scares some people." In disgust, Mr. Sandvick plans to retire. (A police spokeswoman claims the unit isn't being disbanded and that any changes to the unit "aren't significant.")

In February, Mr. Sandvick's unit released a 67-page report on what it called an "illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome of (the 2004) election in the state of Wisconsin" -- a swing state whose last two presidential races were decided by less than 12,000 votes.

The report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once.

Much of the problem resulted from Wisconsin's same-day voter law, which allows anyone to show up at the polls, register and then cast a ballot. ID requirements are minimal. If someone lacks any ID, he can vote so long as someone who lives in the same city vouches for him. The report found that in 2004 a total of 1,305 "same day" voters gave information that was declared "un-enterable" or invalid by election officials.


Mr. Fund is a columnist for WSJ.com.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576113489495571.html#printMode

 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:08:11 PM

As far as college students facing voting stumbling blocks, if they are in COLLEGE, and too STUPID to figure out how to vote, then they aren't smart enough to go to college in the first place


Yanno, reading and reading comprehension are powerful attributes:


transient college students cast improper votes


It does seem as though the college students did vote....if there is fault in this case t rests with the Milwaukee registrar of voters.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:53:34 PM

It does seem as though the college students did vote....if there is fault in this case t rests with the Milwaukee registrar of voters.


But that is the point isn't it. It isn't clear where the break down is. Applying basic common sense rules don't increase confusion. You have the opinion that it will either do nothing at all or disenfranchise a theoretical group of people

I have the opinion that any negative impact would be inconsequential enough to be reasonable and that it will provide at least a basic form of trying to keep it organized and level.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 3/23/2012 1:03:22 PM
But that is the point isn't it. It isn't clear where the break down is. Applying basic common sense rules don't increase confusion. You have the opinion that it will either do nothing at all or disenfranchise a theoretical group of people


We really don't know if the confusion lay with the registrar of voters, the polling officials, or the students...
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 110
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Posted: 3/23/2012 1:31:03 PM
Speaking of illegals, I heard on the news that 20 illegal aliens were coming in from Mexico on a boat but were busted. I'm sure they were deported, but big whoop.

I live in California where illegal immigration is through the roof. Nothing is gonna stop illegal immigration at this rate, and we all saw what happened in Arizona.

That law would never come to California.
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
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Posted: 3/23/2012 7:27:05 PM

Speaking of illegals, I heard on the news that 20 illegal aliens were coming in from Mexico on a boat but were busted. I'm sure they were deported, but big whoop.

I live in California where illegal immigration is through the roof. Nothing is gonna stop illegal immigration at this rate, and we all saw what happened in Arizona.

That law would never come to California.


The illegal immigration problem could be dried up with just a few new laws.

#1. Make it a 10k a day fine to hire a illegal for every company in the US.

#2. Stop all aid to illegals no welfare no food stamps no free medical care.

#3. Stop all education to any illegal even the kids.

They would migrate back to their homeland very quickly if this was done no need to deport them so the cost would be a positive to our economy....Not to mention the jobs that Americans would be able to fill upon there leaving.

Before you say this is not compassionate go sneak in another country and try to get these benefits from the government there.

Easy to do if the liberals would agree to getting rid of a large portion of their voting base......Oh yeah that is why they don't want voters to have to show ID they know if only legals voted their party would be much weaker.

EDIT to add.

Also change the anchor baby laws seeing as only 4 countries in the world do this we would actually be aligning our laws with most other countries in the world.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/23/2012 7:58:04 PM

#1. Make it a 10k a day fine to hire a illegal for every company in the US.

#2. Stop all aid to illegals no welfare no food stamps no free medical care.

#3. Stop all education to any illegal even the kids.


10k a day? So bankrupt the company, increase the cost of food across the country and make it nearly a crime to be in an industry with 'known immigrant' work force. That should make people happy...

Stop all aid including medical care... So, which epidemic do you want happening in your camp first? Maybe a bit of cholera would do?

Stop all education to any illegal. Not so difficult although that round up is going to be ...awkward... do we have the police do it? National Guard?

Our entire country was based on immigration. We even have a big statue in front of it that and a saying about your huddled masses… Yeah, legal is proper and politicians have been playing twisted games with human lives and keeping an illegal economy going … again… But you cannot just pull the plug and pick the dead up off the streets. It just won’t happen and better not.
 cap_n_mORGAN
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Posted: 3/23/2012 8:12:04 PM

Our entire country was based on immigration.


NO our country was based on legal immigration!

Don't confuse the two.

I mean did not all the early immigrants have to register with the government so they would have to pay taxes?

And I don't remember all the government aid then either.

The new Americans either made a living or returned home.....So why do the ones breaking our laws by being here need any?
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 3/23/2012 9:52:21 PM

NO our country was based on legal immigration!

There may be some Native Americans that would see that a bit differently.
 cap_n_mORGAN
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Posted: 3/23/2012 10:19:00 PM

There may be some Native Americans that would see that a bit differently.


Did you miss the words our country?

Our country was established after a few wars were fought for it.....You may not like it but most every country in the world that is now on the globe was created by wars.

So that point is moot.
 cap_n_mORGAN
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Posted: 3/24/2012 8:48:40 AM

"Gawd! Don´t you guys EVER get tired of blaming illegals for all the woes of this country?"

Gawd, then... who we are going to blaim?


When and if the illegal immigration problem is corrected the next problem should be addressed.

This problem is effecting not only elections but the tax base and draining monies from state and federal coffers that should go to Americans or not be spent at all thereby lowering the national debt.

As far as whom is to blame when someone commits a crime whether it is a mugging or coming to this country illegally or voting illegally, they are to blame.......I mean you don't blame the victim do you?
 OyVay...
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Posted: 3/24/2012 10:59:41 AM
"Our entire country was based on legal immigration."

"NO our country was based on legal immigration!"

I beg to differ, for most of the life of our country, there were no complicated immigration rules, people who had the money, basically boarded a boat bound for our shores, and we admitted them.

Then they went through the process of becoming citizens, in most cases. Again though, there were no laws, that took care of the poor for the most part. Work was plentiful, mostly agricultural, some were in industrialized endeavors as well.

All that has changed, different groups brought with them different issues. Our own laws have been made more complex, with Quota's, and the like.

I will not stand here and pose as an expert on the issue. Neither should most of you.(unless it's your particular field of work or expertise) Now we have the boat people of Haiti and other nations, the Mexicans and those people of central america, making their way here. Some by legal means(student visa's) then never returning to their countries.

Many work off the books(is it their fault so many employers, ignore the law?), some use forged or stolen documents. Now I have to ask something of you guys. If your family was starving, living at or below the poverty line, wouldn't you do all you could to improve their lives? Even if it meant crossing a border illegally to get a job and send money back home?

All that aside, it has little to nothing to do with voting here. There is no line of illegals standing at poling places to sway policy. Heck the people IN power, can't seem to sway policy!
 matchlight
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I beg to differ, for most of the life of our country, there were no complicated immigration rules, people who had the money, basically boarded a boat bound for our shores, and we admitted them. Then they went through the process of becoming citizens, in most cases.


That's not accurate. The Constitution makes it one of Congress' enumerated powers to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization." The Supreme Court has recognized that Congress has no more complete control in any field than it does in alienage. Immigration from China and other countries has been discouraged or even prevented at various times in our history.


There is no line of illegals standing at poling places to sway policy.


Do you have any evidence for that? Illegal aliens have an obvious incentive to favor more social welfare spending. There are probably fifteen million or more of these people in the U.S. Not to require voters to show they're eligible is to invite voting by illegal aliens. I see no reason to trust people who have violated our immigration laws to respect our voting laws.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:43:26 PM
WOW!!! Reading comprehension has gone out the window here!! That usually happens when folks see what they want to see, and not what was written!

Frankly Paul, I don't give a sh1t whether what I wrote does anything for you at ALL! Nor do I care for what your experience was or is!

I wrote "for most of the life of this country", you just wrote "there have ALWAYS been quotas" OK then show the law that had that in it from 1776 until 1876? Show where the quota was when the Irish came here after the famine. Then I can agree with your stance. According to what I know quota's began in 1924. Now color me crazy, but that's 150 years give or take of this nations history, out of 236 years.

That would also apply to my other friend with his "that's not accurate" statement, show me the quota law back then!

As for "Do you have any evidence for that?", well I vote, I've stood in those lines, and not seen a plethora of people who looked illegal, no overwhelming large group of hispanics standing there waiting to unseat the republicants! What about you? Do you have any evidence of the other side of the argument?
 matchlight
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According to what I know quota's began in 1924. Now color me crazy, but that's 150 years give or take of this nations history, out of 236 years.


That isn't accurate. The Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882. Restricting immigration is nothing new or exceptional in this country.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 3/24/2012 4:19:54 PM
I apologize, I had to go and research that legislation, and a sterling piece of work it was! Another in a long line of republican "who can we screw this time" laws!

All of you must be so proud to align yourselves with one of the groups who supported it, the "Supreme Order of Caucasians"...isn't that like the KKK?

Gawd, I bet the white guys were happy that wasn't passed BEFORE the chinese built the transcontinental railroad, or they would have had to do that back breaking work themselves, given the civil war had freed the slaves! Hahahahaha!!

Even reading the background of the political situation at the time, has great parallels to what is going on here. They felt the chinese were holding down wages. Of course most of them did jobs the white guys didn't want anyway, like laundry and such.

Kinda like today where many hispanics take the jobs of dishwasher, or busboy, or lawn worker. That so many white guys are fighting for! Yeah right!!!

Though I must admit it, you were right. I had no idea that the republicans of 130 years ago were equally as big a pricks as they are today!

Ok onto voter ID, so where is this proof of major fraud at the polls?

As for my other buddy, I don't have to see what they are doing to your neghborhood archie, they are no better than those OWS guys right?

Like I said earlier, I doubt many of them would go to the polls, to chance someone would pick them up and deport them. Yes I'm sure you guys are right, they like to work the system, just like a lot of other people do. Is it wrong, absolutely. Should they be expelled from the country, absolutely if the are here illiegally.

Alas, that doesn't change or solve the issues needed to be corrected by a major bill on the immigration issue.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/24/2012 7:39:24 PM
I personally hope all those on this thread that are having trouble comprehending why some folks don't have a photo ID read the three stories at the end of the article. These stories represent a large population of the United States.


This is probably going to sound harsh... But, WHO CARES!
Voting is not a universal right. We are NOT a democracy. It is a responsibility and those that are responsible are those who vote. No one is locked out of voting. Show some attempt at being a member of society even at the most minimum level and go vote.

The pandering and helplessness has just got to stop. Put your stupid capes away. You are not saviors.
 RushLuv
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Posted: 3/24/2012 9:21:36 PM
@ Msg #166. Thanks for posting what those of us who are against these bullsh*t laws already know.

MJ,

Yeah right. Face it. Those laws will more than likely never be enforced, and I don't think it has much to do with illegals not being able to vote if they were enforced.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:00:52 AM

"To Get An ID, You Need An ID
In most states with voter ID laws, citizens must present birth certificates to obtain new photo IDs. Seniors and those born in rural areas, in particular, face a difficult time meeting the requirement because birth certificates weren't regularly generated in the 1930s and earlier. And many of these people were delivered by midwives, who often improperly spelled babies' and parents' names on birth documents.
People are caught in a Catch-22: You need a birth certificate to get this ID, but to get a birth certificate you have to have an ID."

I'd say the people who find themselves in the above scenario are "locked out of voting"?!


Ok... So your argument is that people 90 and older might possibly not have a photo ID in rural areas...

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-17.pdf

That is a Census report for people over 90. It seems it is near universal health insurance coverage for them. How do they pick up their medication?

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-09.pdf
Sorry, for the population in their 90's is near 2 million but over 100 is just about 50 thousand and the majority are women.

The amount that fall into this strange loophole of hard to get an id is quite small and will continue to shrink. There are even ways to address this (voterID #) as well.

the cape is really just for show.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:20:34 AM

I'd say the people who find themselves in the above scenario are "locked out of voting"?!


I'd say it's odd this alleged problem is only coming to light now, when it must have existed for decades.

The plain, shameful truth is that millions of people who live in America despise their country. They want to use it for whatever they can get, and if they ruin it, no great loss. These citizens of the world think the U.S., at least as we've always known it, has got it coming for all its wicked deeds. And making it easy for illegal aliens to vote is part of this destructive process. It adds more voices for "fundamental transformation," as the illustrious Mr. Obama calls it.
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