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 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 26
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Right. Since liberals love sharia law so much... That is because Islamic law, like every other liberal cause is considered, 'the little guy' and liberals get to play David against goliath again.

I get so fecking sick of seeing this same bullshit played up over and over again by the delusional righties here.

Show me. Where has anyone advocated Sharia law here. Where has any "liberal" said they love Sharia law anywhere.

Stop making shit up and trying to build strawmen so you can pretend that you out argued a liberal.

I couldn't even read the rest of your post because this shit has to stop. Otherwise I'll just say over and over again that conservatives love Satan and want to see children sacrificed in his name. It's just as sound a position as yours.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 27
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:13:33 PM
"bigger deal because Humanists, Atheists, the agonstics have gotten more and more shrill and pushy over the years."

Gee, I must have missed that memo! I haven't noticed a great hue and cry from this minority community. So I figure since the last 2 posters wanted to cite this group, I'd have a look. Using google, the best figures I can come up with are as follows.

Humanists=.5% of the population
atheists/agnostics= 15-20% of the population
pagans=.3% of the population

I threw that last one in for sh1ts and giggles(i always like to feel i count in things). Now color me crazy, but the total of the groups cited is probably less than 21% of the USA population. This of course doesn't account for crossovers of one group into the next. Which would reduce that number, since they would be counted twice.

Now on the other side, according to ABC, more than 70% of americans count themselves as Christians.

So no matter who says what, the nonchristian, non-god group WILL NEVER, be in a position to defeat any christian cause or elect one of it's own to major office. Purely with the backing of only it's own group.

Further once those good self righteous christians found out that candidates personal views and beliefs, the wink wink nod nod, to each other to not let satan into office would be deafening, not to mention the noise and sh1t storm they would kick up on the airwaves!!

Back on point, it isn't this "non-god group" who is changing laws or trying to limit a woman's rights, or put prayer back in schools. As for the 'rocks and bottles and bullets', again that is part of the christian/GOP/NRA group who do that.

Hmmmmm, nothing like a good christian outing in the woods, to kill some sh1t! Load that gun and read that great christian bible saying quoted in that movie "Pulp Fiction" from Ezekiel 25 17! Hahahaha!!
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:24:27 PM

so you can pretend that you out argued a liberal.


For that to happen, a "liberal" would first have to be able to present a reasoned argument. Making nasty, peevish bleats laced with barnyard language, since it takes very little knowledge and no real thought, is much more their speed.

I won't mind in the least if you say that about conservatives and Satan, just as many times as you like. Conservatives don't try to throttle people whose views they don't share. Less can be said for leftist Gauleiters.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:34:33 PM
Match and Aries...thanks for keeping up with the thread of Aprils Fools Days posts. For a minute there, thinking folks thought you were serious. Funny shtuff. I know for ya'll that every day is April Fools day, but today was precious.

"For that to happen, a "liberal" would first have to be able to present a reasoned argument. Making nasty, peevish bleats laced with barnyard language, since it takes very little knowledge and no real thought, is much more their speed.

I won't mind in the least if you say that about conservatives and Satan, just as many times as you like. Conservatives don't try to throttle people whose views they don't share. Less can be said for leftist Gauleiters. "

Absolutely hilarious utter bullshiite..Brilliant. Thanks for mocking your own. Great sportmanship.
 Sportsfreak89
Joined: 12/28/2010
Msg: 30
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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:21:44 PM
Why religion is a big deal I don't know. However though it's not religion I have the main problem with as the hypocrites who claim to be "good christians" all the time. Please you are just as capable of making mistakes and doing bad things as people who are non-religious like me are. In fact didn't the Bible (the STORYBOOK that Johannes Gutenberg wrote because he had too much time on his hands) say that your God wanted you to "love your enemies?" (I was forced to go through after school religious education for 11 years at a Catholic church so I do know of some of the crap they tell us)

There is a reason why our founding fathers wanted to separate church and state.

Isn't also funny how they claim that it's God's house and how he's the light of the world and all that? Yet the church is run by human beings, pays for electric and running water, and you never see the God they speak of. But then again how can he be in multiple places at once, right?

Plus is it not funny how we hear about all these churches that cry about needing money and donations yet they charge hundreds upon hundreds of dollars to hold weddings? And somehow someway like big corporations that claim they have no money these church organizations find all this money to use for lobbying to politicians? Sorry churches but I figured you out. You're just businesses in disguise and if we got rid of you, we could bring in manymore businesses that could put working class Americans to work instead of letting those fat@$$es you call priests make money doing nothing while the rest of us work for a living.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:37:41 PM
It's becoming a big deal here as well since Harper was "elected".
Religion in politics is a marketing tool. They make it out as if religion is a value system instead of a control tactic.
In Canada, religious zealots are considered wack jobs in most minds.
If everyone would just open their eyes to the real agenda of these guys, the whole system would come crashing down for the fraud it is.
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
Msg: 32
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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:43:37 PM
Gee, I must have missed that memo! I haven't noticed a great hue and cry from this minority community.


Umm.......its hard to hear the din when your yelling your head off......

Now I didn't say they'd gotten more prolific, nor more popular, after all its hard to push an agenda of narcissistic or self destructive behavior into popularity.

I said they'd become shriller, as in "obnoxiously vociferous" and due to that singular fact had achieved recognition above and beyond any consideration their philosophy was due.

It IS hard to believe that 70% are Christians, but perhaps they think they are because they're being lulled into a false sense of security.

And tying the GOP and Christianity together is just a low blow much like tying Madalyn Murray O'Hair with all liberals ( actually tying ANYONE with all liberals, a group so thoroughly without fundament (foundation) that the only thing they relish more than defeating the GOP is carving each other to tiny pieces),

Earnestly I think Christians would happily consign the GOP into the same misbegotten corner as the Democrats for a suffering eternity after all the grief these two factions have caused. Fortunately for them the Christians aren't the final Arbiter.

And the NRA DOES stand for prudent self defense.....of course if your narcissistic (believing no one could disagree with your mighty intellect) or self destructive (agreeing with the rest of the planet that your viewpoint needs to be eradicated) then the National Rifle Association wouldn't have much to offer you......

But nope I think both side are equally frustrated with the other and its a tossup who will be the most violent in the end, after all their both defending freedom, and nothing inspires more hatred and anger than trying to "help" your fellow man.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:48:41 PM
In America,faith and money go hand in hand. The faithful see the mega pastors, leaders of the mega churches as earthly representatives of God.. They like what they preach and it makes such a difference in their lives they give according to their means.

This not only helps the Mega pastors buy new cars and houses, it also helps influence important politicians campaigns. It even helps to totally influence the way some politicos vote on different issues. Depending upon their moral depth, of course.

When it says "In God we trust" on a country's currency what else could you expect?
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:06:50 PM

after all their both defending freedom, and nothing inspires more hatred and anger than trying to "help" your fellow man.


More than 100% agree. The aboslute worst arguments are those that agree on outcome but disagree on words and practices to get there.

The loudmouth liberals have a much louder public voice and the constant shrill that everyone hears every moment of the day is their voice squaking about how right they are and how wrong and terrible being a free human in America is.

Try it... Lets watch a liberal have a panic attack...
Get in your truck with a gun rack and a shotgun. Drive by your local church and pick up your children from School. Drive two blocks in traffic to McDonalds and order a big mac with fries and a coke... Don't forget to supersize. While eating your burger on the way home take a call from the Wife and swing on over to the video store and pick up a good horror movie for the evening.

Hope the words in your music aren't to offensive or those will have to be taken out anyway.

Sharia Law for the Liberal heros of the UK. Let’s not forget. Liberal hate America and want us to be little UK.
http://www.abacus-news.co.uk/faith/sharia-in-england.php

It is this quiet acceptance of Sharia law that has led to the vigilante attitude of imposing “Sharia Zones” unilaterally on communities by Islamic groups.

Temporarily blocked in Canada
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/feb/08/sharialawincanadaalmost

And from that Hardcore conservative press
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/opinion/dont-fear-islamic-law-in-america.html

I totally love this line of double talking liberal BS

In the 20th century, we thrived by promoting a Judeo-Christian ethic, respecting differences and accentuating commonalities among Jews, Catholics and Protestants. Today, we need an Abrahamic ethic that welcomes Islam into the religious tapestry of American life.


Switch positions whenever it suits your ends and whichever way demonizes republicans the better.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 35
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:29:42 PM
Sharia, Christianity, Muslim, Buddhist..... Worship the way you want to. Or, don't worship at all. THAT, is freedom.

Keep it out of Government please. Don't use your "collection plate money" to buy influence in our Govt. And, yes this happens . Not only by religious organizations but by corporations and all kinds of lobbiests.

It's a sad thing that our own G overnment has essentialised itself from "for the people" into "for the money". It's also sad that those with the money also control the media and information in this country.

They can consequently influence political elections by spin and innuendo and get away with it.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 36
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:32:38 PM
"when your yelling your head off"

Funny, didn't think I was yellin! Perhaps making a point. Then again, I don't think it "narcissistic or self destructive" to allow a woman to determine her own choices, without worrying that her doctor is lying to her, or she needs a vaginal probe or she must watch a horror film, in order to do something that probably goes against her nature, but maybe needed to live, or to end a horrible event in her life like incest or rape.

"And tying the GOP and Christianity together"

WOW! Really? You are really going to lie like that? I mean maybe do some slight of hand, or a card trick while you try and stuff that elephant back in the hat!

I mean, if it is a "low blow", as you accuse me of, I will happily retract my statement...right after you show me where the vairous christian leaders are decrying the stands of the newtster, Pope Pious the Santorum and that ever popular evangelist rick perry and his prayer meeting, or mr 9-9-9, the minister at large.

Not once have any of these good stalwart christian leaders done anything but accept photo op's with these guys. Some have even come out and supported one of them or endorsed them.

So in essence, it wasn't me who tied them together, it was THEY themselves.

"the NRA DOES stand for prudent self defense"

WOW..again! They seem to stretchhhhhhhhh that word "prudent" mighty far. I guess everyone needs a AK47 or other assault rifle, to secure themselves from liberals. Or it is really important to have 30 round clips, after all, you never know when your son may want to engage in a school shooting!

Now you may not be happy with my tongue incheek humor at the expense of the NRA, but have they EVER been against a gun of any kind? Have they EVER tried to do something positive with regard to the "iron pipeline", that route that brings legally purchased guns from the weak gun law states of the south, up to NYC and sell them illegally there?

Now so far in your post, you have called me narcissistic, that my viewpoint needs to be eradicated, as for "mighty intellect", I don't do so bad, but I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

"who will be the most violent in the end"

Well IMO, we would have a ways to go to catch up if we did. We haven't persecuted as many as you have. I don't own a gun, never will. So that's one liberal you won't have to worry about. Funny, I know quite a few others who think as I do, so you won't have to worry about them.

It's you guys, faux news, Rush and others who embraced Zimmerman.

You guys just don't get it. Since you want a radical return times past, you will have to convince the majority of the electorate to agree. Now here is the really funny part. Despite your superior christian numbers, you cannot see that many of your own, don't wish to embrace a return to 15th century standards and the return of the Inquistion. So in the end, they vote with us, for rational reasons, and personal ones, like using birth control.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:44:22 PM
Can anyone explain to me the confusing backwardness of religion and politics?

Religion calls for community, helping neighbors, community spirit, living moral, clean, healthy and all of those other things.

Capitalism embraces selfishness, permits greed, and encourages taking advantages for gain. It is also very Darwinian survival of the fittest.

I really don't understand how liberal and religion don't aim for the same political outcomes. Both point to more socialistic type of economies and liberal idealism in politics.

Is it really only birth control and sex that separate them?

Weird world.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 38
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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:34:53 PM

Can anyone explain to me the confusing backwardness of religion and politics?

Yep.

Supply Side Jesus.

http://www.bobonline.net/progxiansd/ssj/index.html
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 39
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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:05:00 PM

I really don't understand how liberal and religion don't aim for the same political outcomes. Both point to more socialistic type of economies and liberal idealism in politics.

They do. Look at liberation theology or the Reverends Tommy Douglas and J.S. Woodsworth.
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
Msg: 40
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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:11:33 PM

Funny, didn't think I was yellin! Perhaps making a point. Then again, I don't think it "narcissistic or self destructive" to allow a woman to determine her own choices,


Of course you don't, no one realizes how strident they seem on these boards.
And I completely agree with you on every woman's right to self determination, except when it comes to eradicating someone else's right to self determination.......
And the GOP represents Christianity like Rosie O"Donnell represents all women, yes she may have a superficial resemblance to them, but if that were the norm the human race would have died out long ago.
Calling "these good stalwart christian leaders" Christians is much akin to calling that 3.2% swill they serve in Utah, beer.

And if you haven't learned anything else from history you should at least have garnered that ALL forms of government go bad eventually.
Repression and tyranny is the common order of the day throughout the ENTIRETY of history.
And that is the focal point of a prudent defense, to maintain both yours, and my right to freedom of conscience.

Sincerely, I apologize for any insinuation you have garnered, for as much time as you've spent in the drawer with the other blunt instruments, your uncommonly sharp.
Although you have an inordinate preoccupation with birth control.

And you cant believe how much it pains me to be associated with Mr. Limbaugh, or Fox News, What have I done that you would find me so contemptible?

But as I remember under the liberal banner are the unions ( a long and proud history of violence and mayhem) the radical blacks (Hillary's favorites the Black Panthers for starters)
various socialist and pseudo communists, you may be in a vocal minority, I bet most of the rest of them have plenty of guns.
And viewing the increasingly broad divisions developing in this country increasing incentive to get more.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 41
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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:21:51 PM
@ Nr 38 ...


" ... Sharia, Christianity, Muslim, Buddhist..... Worship the way you want to. Or, don't worship at all. THAT, is freedom. ... "


Actually, your statement is SO wrong with its inclusion of 'Muslim' (a/k/a 'islam') ... NONE of the other major religions of the world direct their followers to KILL (you may prefer 'beheading' or 'conversion by the sword') those who choose to NOT believe in the 'prophet' Mohammed ... NONE of the other major religions imposes a TAX on those who are not 'inside the protected zone of the faith' - the name of the tax imposed by islam is 'Jizyah' ... NONE of the other major religions of the world issue DEATH EDICTS (you may prefer to call them 'fatwahs') against those who have chosen to ignore the Call of Mohammed [sic] ... Sorry, but Sharia / Islam and its ceaseless directives for death to unbelievers puts it outside the boundaries of what can properly be considered a legitimate religion - it IS, however, well within the boundaries of what us regular folk (who occasionally slip into a python boot) call a Cult ... We won't even start to get into what they feel is fitting and proper treatment of women in their ( ahem ) 'culture' ... let's just say genital mutilation isn't a tenet of ANY of the world's major religions as practiced in civilized nations ...
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:48:10 PM
knightsknut...
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Let he who worships a god that is not nucking futs, stone the first caste.

Christianity is born of misogyny, a long and ugly tradition carried on by Catholics and Baptists in particular, today. Some cults are even worse.

Jews till practice genital mutiliation of male babies too. Just more reasons to keep alllll religions out of government.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:53:00 AM
brilliant to see the old sparring partners at each others throats again

lol

peace, love and harmony

well maybe in the next world eh?

when we had the odious rodent phony bliar 'leading' our country he tried
so hard to be everything to everyone he was at equal times a prod, a tim
as well as sooking up to judaism and islam.

eventually he settled for a catholic

most folk in the uk if pushed would say they were christian and indeed auld
lizzie the defender of the faith has to give the nod to the new governments and
what they want to do.

we now have councils banning prayer meetings before council meetings. why not just
let the folk meet in a room to pray then have the meeting? fvckin simple i think.
but nope dogma gets in the way.

churches are dying out. the wee tron kirk 2 mins from my hoose has mainly auld
folk or folk with disabilitys go on a sunday. i watch from my window. they are
basically decent folk with a belief.
fair play to them. they are not knocking on my door trying to convert me from
my heathenism. the biggest pain in the arse are the mormons, they wont take no for an answer and end up having to be swore at

but when politicians spout religion its a no no. the self same poilticos in scotland
who then direct THEIR hatred at cardinal winning for giving the catholic view on things.


EP can you tell me why i cant start threads mate? my words and wafflings are no worse
than most on here. i would have liked to have put this on a thread about lockerbie and the pan am flight

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/lockerbie-exclusive-we-publish-the-report-that-could-have-cleared-megrahi.2012036248

sorry for it going waaaayyyyy off topic but if your interested in lockerbie and the pan am flight its essential reading
 6stringsandotherthings
Joined: 1/14/2012
Msg: 44
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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:21:04 AM
It's called smoke-n-mirrors........ a progressive tactic used to circumvent the real issues at hand. We have a Constitution that says we have the right to freedom of religion; it's a dead horse that keeps getting beat............... many people down here don't get it.......
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:35:51 AM
I submit for everyone's consideration, that the reason for the current apparent ascendance of right-wing religious extremism, isn't because they are a very large part of our society at all. Rather, they are getting the support of the GOP, simply because the GOP wants to take aboard any sub group who they can count on to vote lockstep in their favor.

The GOP itself doesn't care about the religious goals, they are just a smokescreen that the Carl Rove-style strategists use to manipulate that segment of voters into supporting the pure financially-based agenda of the GOP. This is why, when the GOP did have full control of all three branches of the Federal Government under Bush, that they did NOTHING at all to help the religious right's agenda along.

I've always seen the GOP as being more crafty than the Democrats, at least during my lifetime. They are especially good at carefully arranging things so that they can always pretend that it's the Democrats and Liberals who are standing in the way of the GOP sub-cults getting what they were promised. During the Senior Bush admin, they stumbled a bit, and hence he only got one term. They admitted openly during that second election run, that they didn't actually believe that all abortion should be prohibited, and since they'd already blown their "no new taxes" pledge, that was enough to lose them the right wing vote.

Anyway, the GOP in generally does actually prefer a separation of church and state too, they just pretend not to, more than the Dems do, because it helps them get votes from that chunk of (so far quite gullible) people.
 red_fir
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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:44:22 AM
^^^^^^^^^
Amen
 Aries_328
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Posted: 4/2/2012 8:39:37 AM

It may not be important to you, but it's extremely important to me that it's a component of my relationship with the opposite sex.


Out of context and false accusation. You seriously think that differences in opinions on sex and birth control means the other side is celibate?

When you make up falsehoods and believe them... of course you are going to be confused.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 48
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Posted: 4/2/2012 8:54:28 AM

When you make up falsehoods and believe them... of course you are going to be confused.

Seriously? You're not feeling just a little cognitive dissonance right now?

You typed this one page back:

Right. Since liberals love sharia law so much...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:11:51 AM
You only support it because its the underdog. You don't support its message. David against Goliath... remember that.

I notice you didn't disagree with the point though. Feel free to now.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:14:24 AM
You're making shit up and believing it.

I challenged you to find a single liberal who advocates for Sharia law. You still believe the stuff you make up out of whole cloth. I didn't disagree with the point, because frankly I have no idea what you were responding to. I just read the last post here and was stunned by your lack of self awareness.
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