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 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
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Oh certainly....growing up without a male role model is damaging.
So is having a leg removed by an accident.
Or growing up poor.
Or any number of things than can cause us to struggle.

But if that is what we got....
Then we just got to make the best of it.
And can.

but I think we need to change this topic back to
feminism and the ladies.

I am so sorry for your loss Green Eyes.
words fail me.
I'm sure with a mom like you...
he certainly lived as man should be.

 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 840
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Posted: 5/18/2012 7:51:57 PM
In a perfect world a child would be raised by a mother and father who wanted the child and share in the raising of the child and everyone lives happily ever after as a family unit until they die at a ripe old age. But it doesn't work that way all the time in real life. Divorce rips families apart, both men and women raise children on their own due to a variety of reasons and grandparents are raising grandchildren.

A child can be raised quite well by one parent, be it the mother or the father. And it's not like women raise children, particularly boys, without that child coming in contact with men - be it uncles, cousins, grandpas, neighbours, friends, male school teachers, coaches, and on and on. The same goes for a man raising a daughter on his own - he is not without females in his life for role models for his daughter.

Sometimes raising a healthy and productive child is more good luck than good management. We see criminals coming from two loving parent families and single loving families and not so loving families. As long as we are doing the best we can with what we have, that is all we can do.

Feminism didn't do this to children - WE did this to children, both genders.

And Stray Cat is right - be the man you want to be.
 aremeself
Joined: 12/31/2008
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:04:06 PM
and I say, if your married and have kids, or don't, quit yer whinin and stay married fer crise sakes!
 Gertrude13
Joined: 5/14/2012
Msg: 842
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Posted: 5/19/2012 12:46:47 AM
I love how this topic always seems to devolve into a political free-for-all - With some religion thrown in for good measure.

If you look at feminism as a political movement, it becomes meaningless - Nothing more than a squawk-box for those with an agenda. Want a Republican to get into office? Just invoke the evil baby-murdering Feminazis. Want to get support for a Health Care Bill? Raise the specter of no more birth control and swoop to the rescue. Irritating...

Women get paid less than men. Some of this is due to bias, but I know I took a long career hiatus when my kids were little, working a night job so that I could be home with them during the day when their father was at work. I lost a lot of seniority...

But here's what feminism is to me:
I'm glad I'm female. I'm proud that I gave birth, and that I nursed my kids. I'm glad that my thinking tends to be more intuitive, less linear, than that of my male colleagues, and that I can out-math any one of them.

I recognize that I have inferior upper body strength, but also know that my pain tolerance is waaaayyyy higher than that of the men I've met.

I believe that if I flaunt my cleavage and flutter my eyelashes, I may not be taken seriously.

I've learned to do "man" things in the past couple of years, and have realized that I am much better at fixing stuff than my ex was.

I really DON'T need a man. However, they can be good company sometimes, and it's nice to have help lifting stuff.

BTW - For the fella who claims that there would be no mathematics, physics, etc without males? Good God. There is evidence that the theory of relativity was largely the brainchild of Einstein's first wife, but that her contribution was ignored due to fear that it would be rejected if presented by a woman. Isn't is possible that this occurred throughout history?

Males and females are meant to complement each other. Instead, a few misogynistic idiots, terrified of losing their throne, victimize women. The women see this and tire of seeing their sisters hurt, tire of seeing potential wasted, and shove the men aside, learn to be completely self-sufficient. A few of them get a little strident, and now we have another extreme to look to when politicians seek to divide.

Meh.
 cover_me
Joined: 2/28/2012
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Posted: 5/19/2012 2:32:31 AM


BTW - For the fella who claims that there would be no mathematics, physics, etc without males? Good God. There is evidence that the theory of relativity was largely the brainchild of Einstein's first wife, but that her contribution was ignored due to fear that it would be rejected if presented by a woman.


Good point, the founder of scientific computing, was a woman. Her name was Ada Lovelace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
 CharityTrue
Joined: 11/15/2011
Msg: 844
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Posted: 5/19/2012 4:49:40 AM
So men = bad abusive crybabies, women = victims courageously fighting back arm in arm with their sisters...

Got it, what refreshingly new and different view...
 mrcs84
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 5/19/2012 5:41:44 AM

BTW - For the fella who claims that there would be no mathematics, physics, etc without males? Good God. There is evidence that the theory of relativity was largely the brainchild of Einstein's first wife, but that her contribution was ignored due to fear that it would be rejected if presented by a woman.


Good point, the founder of scientific computing, was a woman. Her name was Ada Lovelace.


Making an advancement within a field is not the same as discovering/inventing the field altogether. Moreover, a few select instances by women still pale in comparison to all of the contributions that men have made. But the PC in us does not like to acknowledge the accomplishments that men have made. Everything from the computer/tablet/phone/you're using to view this website, the electricity to power said device, the house, the car, the fuel for the car, the desk, etc etc. And yet, the mass majority of people do not want to give credit where credit it due. It seems like men's contributions are almost taken for granted while women's contributions are revered and praised as another step forward for womanhood.
 Gertrude13
Joined: 5/14/2012
Msg: 846
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Posted: 5/19/2012 9:15:24 AM

Shove men aside? Sure, whatever, why not? Maybe we should be looking to see what men we are shoving and what men we aren't shoving. Cause shoving all men to the side is going to damage a lot of things and that is the problem we are facing and that I am talking about.


Ahem. Although my tone may have been easy to misinterpret, this is exactly what I was saying. When feminism is used as a political football, it reinforces a man's view that every woman who listens to Indigo Girls or dons Doc Martens is a militant ballbuster, and reinforces the woman's view that males are all whiny, ineffectual p*ssies hiding behind a flimsy veneer of machismo.

Neither stereotype is true, but every time Limbaugh blats about "feminazis," otherwise normal women have their view of men as pigs reinforced, and take it out on innocent victims. Very handy, since that same verbal diarrhea plays on the insecurities of men, allowing themselves to discount any female who votes or knows how to tie her shoes as Gloria Steinem, and pushes them closer to actual pigdom. It's a vicious circle that political media uses to its advantage, with an enormous price tag to society.

Men and women are equal, but NOT the same. I'm glad I'm female. Men should be glad they are men. I have ovaries, but am much better at math than any man I know. My male friend is a fantastic cook, and he has testicles as well as superior upper body strength. When I fix my car, I'm not trying to be a man - I'm just trying to fix my car. When he cooks, he's not trying to be a woman - He's just making food.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 847
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Posted: 5/19/2012 10:14:36 AM
^^^Exactly. Two great posts by you.

We are human beings first and formost..our gender should be listed second. I don't want preferential treatment, I just want to be treated like a human being, an equal. No gender is "better" than the other and thank goodness for our differences and our simiarities.

The only thing that the feminists helped bring about (and I was around for the bra burnings, marches and speeches) was better birth control, better access to birth control as well as safer and easier to obtain abortions and an overall attempt and success at equal pay for equal work. And for those that think the feminists ruined society with abortions - easy option for you is not to have one. Same goes for gay marriage, if you don't agree with it, don't marry a gay person. Human beings people, is it so hard to understand?

If some of you want to rant about how some woman done you wrong, you're divorced, you pay custody, maybe even sole custody - so what. Quit blaming everything on women - you had a part in your divorce and you chose to have unprotected sex and you have children to support. We all do it, men and women. We raise kids and it costs us not only money but time.

And to the one fellow who whined about not being a cop because of them hiring women and minorities, maybe they just didn't like you and thought you'd be a crappy cop. Life is like that, we don't get everything we want.

The vast majority of people enjoy spending our lives with the opposite sex. I had a wonderful marriage, I raised two sons and I'd really, really like to find another wonderful man to spend the rest of my life with - in an open, honest, passionate relationship where we threat each other with love and respect for our sameness and our differences. But I tell you, I won't be spending my time with someone who blames the opposite sex for all their so called troubles, issues, drama and baggage - both genders should have to do this.

Again, we're human beings sharing a planet. Get used to it, none of us are going anywhere, we'll all wake up tomorrow and both genders will still be here. So learn to respect each other. We need each other.
 Gertrude13
Joined: 5/14/2012
Msg: 848
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Posted: 5/19/2012 11:10:46 AM

If some of you want to rant about how some woman done you wrong, you're divorced, you pay custody, maybe even sole custody - so what. Quit blaming everything on women


Can I get an amen????

There are predatory women out there. Guess what? Those women would take you for a ride with or without Gloria Steinem's work. You don't get to blame "feminism" for every time a person with ovaries commits a wrong. Sometimes people with ovaries are azzholes. Not because of their ovaries, but because they're azzholes.

Lots of people with testes are azzholes, too, but most of them would be just as obnoxious if they possessed ovaries - although they might smell better...maybe...

I think some men look at "feminism" as an attempt to divide, to belittle men. I disagree. Empowering women does not necessarily mean that men become less. It means that the woman is able to bring her unique talents and strengths to the table, and that the differences between men and women are acknowledged and celebrated, not used to define the whole person. And it means that the women who like science and who are good at it can actually take credit for their contributions, as well.
 mrcs84
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 5/19/2012 11:48:16 AM
reinforces the woman's view that males are all whiny, ineffectual p*ssies hiding behind a flimsy veneer of machismo.


It's interesting you say this because Welsh474's post is basically a case and point. It is all too common that when a man's issues comes up that it's simply HIS problem, he should stop whining, and that it couldn't -possibly- be a result of some underlying problem.

Perhaps the wage gap actually -is- a myth, and women should just stop whining.

I think some men look at "feminism" as an attempt to divide, to belittle men. I disagree.

Interesting, especially when you see signs like "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle," or "all men are rapists," or even t-shirts that say "Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them."

It also seems that the figureheads of feminism tend to not only be lesbians, but they are the butch, man-hating lesbians such as Valerie Solanas, Sheila Jeffreys, Andrea Dworkin, Betty Friedman, or Judith Butler.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 850
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Posted: 5/19/2012 12:07:29 PM
^^^ Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're 27 and you don't know jack shit about real feminism, why some fought so hard for it, what it actually was like when the feminist movement came about in the 60's and 70's. You, being a young, uninfomed, naive as well as misguided in your opinion, have not lived through any of this - any of what went before. I'm just going to mention your little saying, "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" - did you actually pull that out of the hat - I haven't heard that saying since the 60's. Really a pathetic little rant on out dated sayings.

When you actually grow up, have a partner, raise a family and become a production person in society, maybe then you will get my point about being a human being and embracing the differences of our genders instead of ****ing about them. Just what do you plan on teaching your son, or your daughter for that matter?

You need to live a little longer to appreciate all of man/woman kind instead of focusing on days gone by, authors no one reads anymore but paved the way for your mother, your sister and you future wife and daughters - you should actually be thanking these man-hating lesbians. And really, wtf care if they were lesbian or straight - fairness is fairness and knows no sexuality, gender, race, etc. The only thing that apparently makes a difference is age - young can be stupid but they won't be forever, we all grow up and gain knowledge.
 mrcs84
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 5/19/2012 12:29:34 PM
Ah...and the shaming language continues. Droll, very Droll

I don't plan on teaching my son or daughter anything because I have zero desire to have children.

"Future wife"....lolz. In a society that makes marriage seem almost as bad as playing Russian Roulette, I think I'll pass.

 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 852
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Posted: 5/19/2012 1:39:18 PM
My views?
The only thing equal between a man and a women is we are both human. We have human rights and privileges. I'm thankful for that. Thank you kindly to the women before us who have paved the way. I recognize your sufferings.
Dig a little deeper, individualism separates us even more. Hmph... makes living among each other a little interesting I dare say. I understand and respect that.
I'm just thankful I am able to still slurp my coffee whenever I wish to and raise my boys how I see fit. I live, say and do what I want.
I'm thankful for my freedoms and know my limits. Are you ladies?
In my household, I am boss. In the world, I must share it. Fine enough for me.
As for everyone else's opinion, as long as it doesn't affect me personally, think however you wish.

But.. I am woman and woman I am.
Hear me karaoke the shyt out of the song *sings*
My life just got oh so interesting.

(slurps coffee)
 Gertrude13
Joined: 5/14/2012
Msg: 853
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Posted: 5/19/2012 2:11:22 PM
"You've said this twice like it should mean something. Do you carry math tests with you every where you go? I have a 148 IQ so there is a really good chance I'm better at math than you. Either way I'll still give it to you and let you say your better at math than me. So what does that have to do with what I was saying?"

Really? 148? That is high. It does not, however, necessarily imply that you have an affinity for math. It would, however, lead me to believe that your difficulty distinguishing "your" from "you're" is the result of a typo, not a literacy issue;).

There are misogynistic, whiny males out there. There are obnoxiously-militant feminists out there. The militant feminists are not responsible for every divorce settlement where the man feels he has to pay too much. The whiny couch-potato men who blame the ills of the world on women earning the right to vote aren't responsible for the bad deal I got.

It's soooo nice to be able to blame all of one's personal failures or perceived injustices on a political movement or ideology, but ignoring those who do - realizing that they are actually the lunatic fringe, not the rule - this makes for a much happier and more productive life:)
 --Zen--
Joined: 6/29/2011
Msg: 854
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Posted: 5/19/2012 4:04:31 PM

It's soooo nice to be able to blame all of one's personal failures or perceived injustices on a political movement or ideology, but ignoring those who do - realizing that they are actually the lunatic fringe, not the rule - this makes for a much happier and more productive life:)

Since extreme examples like math, cooking and fixing cars has been brought into conversation I will provide another. Who would you blame for Holocaust? German people for being 'obnoxiously-militant' or Jews for being 'whiny couch-potatos'? A single man or ideology ending in -izm? You think Germans didn't realize the path they ware on? I'm sure they hated the idea of unified Europe under German rule.
Given enough charisma and manipulation skills a crowd can be convinced into mass suicide. Individual is smart but crowd is as dumb as sheep. History has it's lessons and when you truly open your eyes, unbiased by social conditioning or crowd phenomenon you will see this society for what it is. What you will see will be significantly different from what I see due to various factors and not just gender. Most people concentrate on a single problem, solving it brings immediate results and immediate gratification. Pain drugs would be a good example. Ramifications are often overlooked. Natural human fallacy that can be corrected by others. Social change is a complex subject because it encompasses diversity individual thinking and crowd mentality. Most apparent dangers of any -izm ideology is elevating single group while subjugating others. Feminism is slightly different because it has ties with socialism.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 855
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Posted: 5/19/2012 4:12:28 PM
""If the system is set up by a movement or group and hinders me why would I not or should not be allowed to say so? If it is in fact unjust why would I not state it as so? I really don't care if you choose to accept it or not. If you don't believe what I'm saying feel free to bring some facts links and what have you to prove your points. Just saying something doesn't make it true or un true."" Do you understand what you just wrote? This is exactly why the feminist movement came into play in the 60's, exactly the same reasons.

As for the children, I didn't look at your profile to see where you're from by in my province custody comes down to a computer program - dad's income is put in, mom's income is put in and the computer pukes out a number as to how much money an individual pays. Also in my province unless you are a pedophile, drug users, wife/child beater or a deadbeat - you get shared custody or a custody arrangement agreed on by both, both have to sign off on it. And yes, if the man has sole custody the mom pays. As for the draft - well, talk to your government and I don't believe you've had a draft since Viet Nam but I could be wrong. And I don't know the statistics but I'm thinking there are more dead beat dads out there than women, but again, I could be wrong. I know in my province if you are a deadbeat parent (both genders) you cannot renew your drivers license (just an incentive).

As for the comments to the 27 years old, he knows jack shit about what was fought for and why by the feminist movement. One little example was that I had to have written permission from my husband in 1975 to have my tubes tied - my choice, we had 2 children. Please tell me one good reason for written permission. And just incase you think I'm being a whiny woman, my father couldn't get a vasectomy in 1955 because he was too young - apparently being 25 and having 4 children didn't make him smart enough to decide for himself so he had to go to a private doctor's office at night and pay cash. Kinda like abortions used to be only not with the luxury of a doctor and a clean medical office.

Look, divorce sucks for both genders. It's not easy raising children in a two parent household let alone two seperate households and some anger going on. I applaud the women AND men who do this on their own. There are men I've spoken to privately on the forums that are raising their grandchildren on their own - how wonderful is that, I take my hat off to them.

I have not spoken the word "feminism" in years and years (until this thread), it's kind of become a non-issue as the younger generations just take things as they are because they've always been this way, to them anyway.

And to the 27 year old who thinks marriage is like playing Russian Roulette - you get what you put into it. It will fail if you are a failure, it will work if you (and your partner) work at it. Don't be jaded. A life shared can be a wonderful thing.
 part deux
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Posted: 5/19/2012 6:04:49 PM
Frankly, the fact that you would refer to a woman you don't know as sweety...
Well lets just say, that's all I need to know about how you think of women.

PS, courts are incredibly reluctant to award sole custody, as they recognize that it is in the best interest of the child to have both parents involved.
 mrcs84
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 5/19/2012 7:04:18 PM
As for the comments to the 27 years old, he knows jack shit about what was fought for and why by the feminist movement.

By your logic it's impossible to know anything about anything unless you've lived through it. I feel sorry for all those historians out there.


One little example was that I had to have written permission from my husband in 1975 to have my tubes tied - my choice, we had 2 children.

Do you have any sort of doctrine to back this?


And to the 27 year old who thinks marriage is like playing Russian Roulette - you get what you put into it. It will fail if you are a failure, it will work if you (and your partner) work at it. Don't be jaded. A life shared can be a wonderful thing.

I like how you're trying to marginalize what I have to say by calling me "the 27 year old" instead of using my screen name. Pretty lame tactic.

I'm not jaded. I just don't have my head in the sand. The forums has quite a few people that have openly sworn off marriage after having gone through the divorce process. There have been a lot of good people that went through nasty divorces that I would never consider to be failures. I'm sure people like Paul McCartney, Michael Jordan, Mel Gibson, Madonna, etc have all seen more things, spent more money, influenced more people, and lived all around more fruitful lives than any of us, but since they've all had [very expensive] divorces, they must be failures.
 Aura1shine
Joined: 3/2/2011
Msg: 858
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Posted: 5/19/2012 8:24:27 PM
"Making an advancement within a field is not the same as discovering/inventing the field altogether. Moreover, a few select instances by women still pale in comparison to all of the contributions that men have made. But the PC in us does not like to acknowledge the accomplishments that men have made. Everything from the computer/tablet/phone/you're using to view this website,"
Well, I have to disappointed lots of men in this category. It is a woman whom was a first using her mathematics and analytical views to start the computerized machine. She was consider the first computer programmer( credit should be due to her if a man not taking advantage of her knowledge). Look her up with the name of Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace (12/10/1815-11/27/1852). Yep, way way back in 1800s.
 Aura1shine
Joined: 3/2/2011
Msg: 859
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Posted: 5/19/2012 8:38:07 PM
With her notes that she had augmented what it had been written, there would not have much of progress in computerized machine forward to modern time.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 860
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Posted: 5/19/2012 8:45:28 PM
To 1ukn4u - I'm good with Sweety. I took no offense at all. I had already read your profile to find out where you were from and I understand and respect the southern ways of banter.

We all have opinions on this topic, it can be heated and it's always been heated. And yes, if you live through something you experience is different than just reading about it. And yup, had to have written permission to get my tubes tied. It's stupid isn't it? Some things have changed for the better, some for the worse and some remain the same. The thing is to have empathy for the situation and the people involved.

Men HAVE, in many instances, been given an unfair hand to play in the raising/custody of children. It's up to all of us to work at changing the unfair and unjust. But it is not the fault of feminism.
 Aura1shine
Joined: 3/2/2011
Msg: 861
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Posted: 5/19/2012 8:56:35 PM
For the much later just look up to" Rear Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper for the Naval Data Automation Command" for modern computer. But women had contributed into society and men profited from those idea which earned great compensation for their contribution. The way I see it this way: When wealth were made from women ideas, men beginning to limit women role by keeping them at home to the choir that most men/women hate to do for a housekeeping and garnish that wealth for men to be made.
 ThinkinginCA
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Posted: 5/19/2012 10:24:18 PM

How convenient to be a woman. Concerned about rights until it comes to the responsibilities of defending those rights. Just because there hasn't been a draft doesn't mean there won't be one tomorrow. Women had the right to vote during viet nam and WW2. Both those wars had the draft. Have you read this thread at all? All these points have already been brought up and talked and argued about already.



So, what do you supposed happened to the women that wanted to volunteer to sign up for the draft? Think they had a hand in making it gender specific? Did they vote themselves out of being drafted? If not, they why blame circumstances in which they had no input?


Look I know how the system is set up and it is clearly set up in favor of a woman. Most women will even atleast admit this. I have brought up very valid points and I'm simply waiting patiently for valid relies.


I think you're letting your negative experience color your view on this...divorce is never good for anyone involved...it's designed not to be. Heck, you should be happy that we live in a time when we can easily get divorced, considering how miserable the opposite sex can make it for the other But to claim the system is biased these days means one thing....you still live in an area that has old outdated rules....most likely because the people that live there aren't so keen on changing with the times. That's not the woman's fault either...they seldom have the clout to change family laws.

First, the woman does gets first dibs as a custodian for a very simple reason....it was her that went through the child bearing process. Doesn't that sound fair?

Second, in places where laws are up to today's standards, child support really is just a mathematical forumla....and the reason men seem to get worse deal is the same reason they have advantages in the first place...they often make more. I have rarely seen an divorce where a woman gets an windfall, no matter what the angry ex may think...and that's not a sexist jab...nearly everyone I know that has gone through a divorce is angry. Law is hardly ever equally fair, some will get a better deal than another, and this is especially true for family law. I hardly think gender has much to do with that.
 ThinkinginCA
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Posted: 5/20/2012 12:51:12 AM

So then a man who is willing to be custodial parent but isn't awarded the opportunity to be such shouldn't have to pay child support by that logic then.


Why, did our mostly male legislature decide that the law should be changed to allow men to back out of their parental responsibility if they aren't awarded primary custody? How does my logic about the draft even get anywhere near the same line of thought?



LMAO!! Yeah we don't hear this from men all over the world all over the forums everyday right? Are you high right now?


Well, sure I hear it all the time. Funny enough, in the real world, I hear more often about the men who don't pay their child support, or figure out some way to lower his actual income out of spite....but thankfully, the women don't come on here moaning about that. Maybe they realize that children are responsibility of both parents.



Lets say she is abusing the child. A father should have no right to say anything?



All things being equal, of course. Every court looks (or should) at the best interest of the child first and foremost, so any bad behavior is one of the considerations any decent judge.



So the stats that I provided that show clearly that women are A. ordered regularly on average TODAY not YESTERDAY to pay far less than men and B. actually pay almost zero child support and aren't made to because the attorney general refuses to enforce it somehow eluded you?


No, not at all. But if you believe that a judge or court has not used the proper formulation to figure out child support, you have the right to go back and petition the court. In fact, you have the right to do that everytime your situation changes, if you can afford the attorney to do that. Duh? Duh what, that women in aggregate make less money than men so they pay less in child support? Duh that some states are still backwards in how they calculate financial responsibility? I'm not sure about any individual situation, and without specific information, its hard to say why a judge ruled in a certain way, but I'm sure if I look at the statutes in the state you reside in, it likely won't be as skewed as you claim.....though you already stated it is the South and progress comes a little slower.
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