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 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 457
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Trayvon was pretending to be armed.He could have scampered off home at any time.Christ I can't stand punks of any color.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 458
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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:32:51 PM

Perhaps he's made of sterner stuff than you.........

Really? A man who shot and killed an unarmed teenager? You know, I don't set the bar very high, but that's one I can clear pretty easily.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 459
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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:34:50 PM
We have a Zimmerman type azzhat between our neighborhood and the golf club cummunity. This guy is the typical urban/turned country zealot, enamoured by guns and "security", living at the edge of a several thousand acre wilderness area, who closed off the road at the end of a trail system, installed cameras, and confronts hikers who follow their GPS devices at what appears to be another trailhead for pickup. He confronts these kids, mostly white, with guns, threats, derision, insults, and other inappropriate behavior. At the same time, he has set up shooting ranges on his property that allows bullets to fly toward the properties of his neighbors, myself included. Nothing like enjoying a sublime sunset with bullets and shot reports coming in your general direction to challenge one's sense of neighborly love. As a PTSD sort of survivor, I find it disrespectful and challenging to put up with him and his bubba shit, not to just shoot back in kind. He visons himself as a neighborhood watch captain like dipshit Zimmerman, oblivious to the concerns of the neighbors and with a false sense of superiority and mission.

The last time I had a shotgun pellet hit my neck, it triggered my inner redneck. If this****ad pokes a hole in my house or body with his ignorance, you may read about it in the Chattanooga Times Free Press. He is terrorizing my neighbors, their kids and dogs, people who visit, has been approached by concerned neighbors and feels he is the final authority in HIS safety, and uck us. I think that Zimmermans like this really need a reigning in of their stupidity instead of empowering it with Stand Your Ground rambo fantasies. These wimps are more often than not, chickenhawks, never having been in conflict and incapable of understanding the terrorisim of fouling the lives of PTSD survivors, are narciscistic, egotistic, clueless, and dangerous. All you all who worship this idocy need to look a bit deeper into how this sort of terrorism affects not only neighbors, but most likely the loved ones around ya who are concerned for your fantasy worlds vs. reality.
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
Msg: 460
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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:46:30 PM
The last time I had a shotgun pellet hit my neck, it triggered my inner redneck. If this****ad pokes a hole in my house or body with his ignorance, you may read about it in the Chattanooga Times Free Press.


Yep I've been a lot more sane, serene and untroubled by pc nonsense since I got in touch with my inner redneck, myself...

Perhaps if you set up a target directly in front of his house/barns and invite him (and the rest of the neighbors) over for a high powered rifle shoot complete with cold beer and fried chicken, while everyone's taking turns poking holes through the target the neighbors could expound on the various relationships their property has with his ranges.
Maybe even offer to take a Caterpillar over and build him a proper backstop/shooting alley.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 466
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Posted: 5/2/2012 5:40:02 AM
This thread is strange its like many on here want it to be racially motivated just so that they can say see racism does exist in America...people are so caught up in there own beliefs that they will spin everything to make it fit with their agenda...

Honestly if the guy who shot Trayvon had been named Luiz Rodriguez we wouldn't be having this discussion...People on the Left are constantly looking for incidents of racism to justify their own beliefs, problem is this time Libs got it wrong..The name threw them off George Zimmerman doesn't sound Hispanic at all so when they started reporting they assumed he was white because it was an incident they would be able to point to as an example of racism.. Problem is they were wrong, but like most libs they were not able to admit they were wrong, so they invented a new term "White Hispanic"...thing about it, how bad can Racism really be if you guys are so desperate to hold this case up as an example?


How desperate the extreme right-wing faction can get when they don't have a valid point to insist in defending a murderer who killed a young black man just because he had a sense that he was enforcing the unwritten rule that nobody can walk through the neighborhood unless approved by Zimmerman, the master of security.

So you are saying that somebody named Luis Rodriguez, a Hispanic I suppose, could not be a racist murderer like George Zimmerman? I think that I addressed that issue a while back in this topic. Hispanics, even those with two Spanish last names (mother's and father's,) can be racists as much as the worse white supremacist that you can think of. Just as you may have heard of the Runaway Slave law in the American South, in the Spanish colonies they had a law against Cimarrones (runaway slave) or Ley de Fuga, which allowed the masters to chase after the slaves who were running for their freedom, and shoot them on their backs, or decapitate them after capturing them. So please stop the silly nonsense argument of people trying to confuse the issue because of the race of the murderer in this case.

One thing that it may have not happened if the murderer was called Luis Rodriguez would have been that Al Dershowitz (and probably Geraldo Rivera) would not have inserted himself in this case trying to poison the public mind against the fairness of the judicial system.

So, as probably one of the very few Hispanics here, I am not at all offended if you want to identify George Zimmerman as a Hispanic. He is a murderer, and very likely a racially biased murderer. Take a look at him, and if seeing a Hispanic and not a White man makes you feel better, knowing that a Hispanic killed Trayvon Martin because in your mind a White man called George Zimmerman wouldn't commit such a crime, then please rest at ease with your delusions.

People got upset about this case because the complaints of the parents of Trayvon Martin were being ignored. That's where racism played a big part in this case hitting the media as a big time story.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 468
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Posted: 5/2/2012 6:44:17 AM

I get the impression once again that the "liberals" of the audience have deemed themselves judge, jury and hangman.


Funny that...I've felt the same sense of conviction from the other side yet it has been convicting Treyvon.

And the sad facts are that had no gun been involved there wouldn't have been a shooting...Stand Your Ground is a poor excuse for a law and promotes senseless killings.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 470
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Posted: 5/2/2012 6:57:54 AM

The Right didn't make this into a national news story, did it? That was the Left. And the Left did it in order to push a minority grievance agenda.


Frankly, you completely missed the point of my reply which was in response to this thread...and comment within this thread...of couse the uber rightwingnut evangelicals don't like that liberal lamestream media...what else is new...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 471
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Posted: 5/2/2012 7:51:30 AM
Frankly, I could care what the stinkin leftwing lamestream media says or does...the same goes for FOX and the conservative rightwingnut evangelical blog...Zimmerman gets his day in court to defend his actions...that I will take as gospel...and right, wrong, or indifferent...the evidence and a jury of his piers will decide what's what...

My beef is with the vigalante law ..Stand Your Ground...which promotes street justice and seems to go against the grain of civility....a citizenery armed to stand their ground isn't a civilized society.

BTW....PC and proud of it.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 472
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Posted: 5/2/2012 8:46:20 AM


Ah, suddenly you are pious and above concern with the media.


You clearly have not read any of my posting on this issue and therefore, don't know WTF you're talking about.


I'd enjoy hearing your garbled justification in why this is a point of pride.


It only would seem garbled to you because you have clearly shown your bias.


Average citizens are just trying to catch up.


Average citizens aren't packin heat spoiling for an argument....those that are are not members of a civilized society and are part of the fraction of America they most complain about.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 473
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:00:58 AM
PH...I've posted darn near from the beginning of this thread...and have never commented on the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman...but, I have commented on Stand Your Ground.

So, please point out the specific post that proves your point...



It is painfully obvios that both sides are equally guilty here.


My comments were aimed at the attempted slur of being called PC...and I am PC and proud of it....do I have bias...you betcha...I'm extremely negative towards stupidity.

 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 474
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:12:10 AM
I say and promote ideas, not because of their validity, but because of political pressure and sensitivity.


ROFLMAO...go to one of your conservative wingnut blogs and cut n paste PC...because an origional thought cannot be found here.

Anyway, I personally don't see the racist spin on this shooting of Treyvon...though, I do see one side calling the shooting racially motivated and the other side defending their racism....to me it is just a simple case of bad law promoting street justice.


Since you, and I have been reading and commenting from the start, do you disagree that both sides of the fence are displaying obvious bias?


PH,

We've both commented on the bias of both camps...the reality is we know what the media feeds us..and thats all bullshyte...

PC means one who's moral fiber is in tune with a civilized society...a sense of integrity that eludes "some"...a willingness to accept all for whom they are not whom we wish them to be...IOW...someone whom "some" are not and are incapable of being


Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 476
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:13:11 AM
the Black Panthers offered a bounty for Zimmerman


I almost missed this gem of dis-information..so, here's the real deal on the "Bounty":

A group identifying itself as the New Black Panther Party is offering $10,000 to anyone who makes a citizen's arrest of George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin slaying
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/27/nation/la-na-nn-black-panther-party-20120327


ROFLMAO...bounty....and here I was thinking..."dead or alive"...foolish me.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 477
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:38:49 AM

Language, ideas, policies, and behavior meant to minimize offense, not maximize truth


Upon reading your ranting blather about Trayvon...you really should not be speaking about truth...clearly, it is a novel concept to you and something you've little knowledge about.


Is this kind of like the time you heaped ridicule on me for my insane right-wing definition of PC,


WTF are you talking about...my only statements were that I am proud to be PC, in spite of your inane attempt at a slur...and to quote a real defination of PC...without the personal bullshyte slinging of some.


That IS pretty embarrassing!


What is embarrassing to me is being drawn into a debate with someone clearly incapable of logical discussion...please carry on.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:52:38 AM
good point unyou

showing pride means that you look down on folk does it not in the pc lexicon?

but then only the guilty have no pride
which pretty much sums up the pc stasi to me. although no doubt this shall be a DIFFERENT kind
of pride though.

they do love to throw out insults at folks who are asking questions of this case involving
zimmerman and martin. but boy oh boy dont do the same thing back.

more hissing than a barrel full of hissy type things
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 480
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:58:39 AM

[Explanation from BBNI as to why he's proud to be PC still pending.]


It's in this page of postings...but apparently too subtle for you to have seen it.


Isn't pride Politically Incorrect?


Well I agree if you're talking about proud to be racist, homophobic, and bigoted.

But, proud to be open and accepting of all (other than those racist homophobic bigots) is something to be proud of...and certianly is PC.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 481
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:59:54 AM
^^^^^This is about a shooting rather than political correctness. But they're related--leftists generally love PC and race agitation, while hating the Second Amendment (and the First). It's not just coincidence that the notion of "politically correct" thoughts and speech was cooked up decades ago by Marxists at the Frankfurt School as a way of silencing people who deviated from correct communist doctrine.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 482
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:16:13 AM
). It's not just coincidence that the notion of "politically correct" thoughts and speech was cooked up decades ago by Marxists at the Frankfurt School as a way of silencing people who deviated from correct communist doctrine.


Well, now that is a complete and total utter lie...prove me wrong.

Examples of the term can be found as early as the 18th century. The previous meaning was 'in line with prevailing political thought or policy'. The term previously used 'correctness' in its literal sense and without any particular reference to language that might be considered offensive or discriminatory. For example, J. Wilson's comments in U.S. Republic, 1793:


"The states, rather than the people, for whose sake the states exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention... Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language... ‘The United States,’ instead of the ‘People of the United States,’ is the toast given. This is not politically correct."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness


--leftists generally love PC and race agitation, while hating the Second Amendment (and the First).


Funny that I could care a wit about race in all this...to me it is about a distorted view/law of how the second amendment should allow a person to Stand His/Her Ground...the right to bear arms isn't a right to shoot another person...

And for someone so legally minded as one claims to be...one would think such a person would be clamouring for the legal process to work it's magical ways...instead of allowing street justice to be judge and jury....but, then that would show true conviction...a quality wanting in some.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 484
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:25:17 AM
I really try to understand your point matchlight but c'mon, your general comments about leftists are so way off the mark I have to wonder how you come up with such idiotic conclusions.

I hate race agitation, do not hate the 2nd or 1st amendment and I avoid hate speech like the plague and not because it's politically incorrect, but because it 's meant to divide, conquer and hurt.

PC thought were not cooked up, people have been watching their p's and q' for a long time, generations in my family. The term may have been thought up, but so what, don't use it if you don't like it? I don't like it or use it.

Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed by right wing patriotic propaganda and you can't see it?

All I can say now is here's to hoping you do one day because you are going to miss out on inner peace.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 485
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:36:38 AM
PH....



The problem I have with that though is that the above labels are thrown out way too easily.
I haven't seen much in the way of blatant racism here.
I didn't see much in that "other" thread regarding homophobes either yet the words racism and homophobe flowed like the Nile.


There is racism here...all the white on black statements...and the sebsequent denials-while actually throwing out the hoodie craype as though it weren't a racial statement...so, yes there have been the racist and reverse racist comment here..



I'm open and accepting to all


Hell yea PH...even I cannot stand racist homophobic bigots...and I do not agree with their point of view...while you may not see the undertone of racism/reverse racism...I certianly do.



Remember the last time you quoted Wikipedia? That didn't go so well



lmao...what I remember is your made up comment to tack on at the end...I stand by my comment that you should not be commenting on anything associated with truth.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 486
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:41:23 AM
Proco:

You CAN be open and accepting of all PEOPLE and not include "bigots". Bigots aren't people, it's a slang term. We are not being not accepting of the people, we are not being accepting of the attitude.
We are not excluding those we don't agree with, we are not accepting their attitude.

Whereas you cannot be accepting if you do not include everyone for parts of who they ARE (black, white, straight,gay...).
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 487
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:07:34 PM
I need to know the person for a long time before I label them something like a racist or homophobe.
To draw that conclusion based on a few posts seems...impractical.


Is 3 years long enough? and countless threads???
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:16:36 PM
Dame...attitudes make up people, in part anyway...who they are.
I would never say that I accept all people...I try to understand them as best I can however.


Attitudes do not make up people. Attitudes can change. Attitudes come from outside, not inside.
You can not change your skin colour or sexual orientation. You can hide it, colour it, or deny it, but you can not change it.

Why would you never say you accept all people? What is wrong with that?

I'm glad you try to understand...maybe it's a step towards acceptance. Good on you.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 489
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:44:50 PM

Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed by right wing patriotic propaganda and you can't see it?


Very sure. I have studied how propaganda uses words and images to spread lies. It's somewhat like finding baloney in legal arguments--once you know what to look for, you can see through it.

The "so what" of political correctness is that it was designed by Marxists expressly to silence opposing points of view. Read a little about the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, etc. Multiculturalism is part of the same war on Western traditions and civil liberties. So are attacks on the Catholic Church. So is excusing Islamist extremism. So are a number of other leftist projects that involve running down the United States.

If you can persuade enough people to destroy their own culture and traditions, you save yourself the trouble and danger of trying to conquer them by force. It's not quick or easy to trick millions of people into committing cultural suicide. But getting control of Hollywood, universities, news outlets, and in some cases public schools helps a lot, because it lets you control what people learn.

That's why I will always be an enemy of leftism. Far from being kind and progressive and open-minded, as it may appear on the surface, at its core it is about intolerance, control, and tyranny. Beneath the Che Guevara shirt, there is usually a brown undershirt.

The agitation about this case shows how much leftists dislike the Second Amendment. Statists don't like things that tend to interfere with centralized government authority, whether it's free speech, states' rights, organized religion, or an armed citizenry.
 rpl55
Joined: 3/22/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 1:45:44 PM
Interesting bit of news.



George Zimmerman's 2005 MySpace page, unearthed by the Miami Herald on Wednesday, suggests Trayvon Martin's shooter had a history of racial profiling.

On Wednesday, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, confirmed that the page--registered under the username "onlytobekingagain"--was real.

In the "About Me" section, Zimmerman--identified as "Joe G."--expressed resentment toward Mexicans living in his former Manassas, Va., community:

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!

In a blog post dated Aug. 24, 2005, Zimmerman downplayed an alleged domestic dispute involving his ex-girlfriend: "Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me!"

In another, on Aug. 30, 2005, he boasted about how a pair of felony charges related to an alleged assault on a police officer were dropped. "2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!!" Zimmerman wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-myspace-page-trayvon-martin-shooter-called-180717152.html


RPL
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 492
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:03:28 PM
I don't know. I don't like it when people here post stuff of about the victim to try to prove that he had it coming. I don't much like this either. In 2005, the shooter would have been in his 20's and I said some pretty stupid stuff in my 20's. They just didn't have social networks then.

The initial shock was that nothing was done about a man who shot and killed a teenager. Now something is being done after it was taken out of that hands of local authorities. I'm confident the federal prosecutors will do a good job, and a lot of racists have contributed to Mr. Zimmerman's defence, so he'll get competent representation too.
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