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 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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I believe that the part of the taped 911 call in which Zimmerman was ASKED "are you following him?" and Zimmerman himself replied" "YEAH!"...sorta, kinda, might just qualify as "evidence" that Zimmerman DID in fact follow Martin, and the fact that an altercation occured AFTER Zimmerman continued to follow not with his vehicle...but ON FOOT after Martin had "gotten away" would seem to maybe...be "evidence" that Zimmerman kept on following Martin even AFTER 911 dispatchers said "we don't need you to do that".
That terminology may mean something totally different in Florida....but here to us hicks in Ohio, an ADMISSION that you're doing something is usually considered "evidence" that we're actually doing it.


Thanks. I didn't know those facts, because I haven't followed this case closely. Of course that taped statement by Zimmerman is evidence. Statements made out of court that are offered for their truth are hearsay evidence, and they're generally not admissible. But there are exceptions, and this fits at least one of them. As the statement of a party, being offered against him, it would be admissible.

I doubt the rules of evidence are much different in Ohio than in Florida--they all more or less follow the Federal Rules of Evidence.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 39
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Posted: 4/12/2012 7:52:45 PM
It's hard to even imagine the blackness of a soul that could make a comment like that.

Two people: one with a gun and a criminal record of violence; the other a teenager who was shot dead who was suspended from school and may have smoked pot on occasion. So clearly the guy who was killed was the aggressor. Even though the killer stalked him and shot him because he was black and walking in the killer's neighbourhood.
 GrandmaBooBoo
Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 4/12/2012 7:54:42 PM

The call did come in around 7, the converation began & at 2:22 minute later the dispatcher asked "Are you following him? 2:26 minute later the dispatcher say, "Okay.......................................
Ahhhh, thank you so much for clarifying that, it makes sense now. So, 2:22 minutes INTO the call...gotcha!

And the question/comment about when Martins father filed a missing persons report....I have read so many hateful comments on OTHER news blog sites....saying that Tracy Martin didn't discover that his son was dead for 3 days....which was totally inaccurate. Mr. Martin went to police early the next morning after the incident to file a missing persons report and that's how he was "notified" of his son's death. If I have my information correct...there are either different "rules" about missing persons reports...depending on the persons age, and whether they have mental or physical handicaps that would make their disappearance more "dangerous". I do believe, that in Ohio...filing a formal missing persons report, you must state that an adult has been missing for more than 48 hours....and give some compelling reason why you believe that this person did not just take an unscheduled vacation. I think that police often FIRST suspect that a teenager has run away...or is out "partying" before they give serious thought foul play. This is not a criticism, just human nature.

We have all been told so darned many "twists", fabrications and exaggerations with this story, the truth is pretty difficult to decipher. With all the rightwing nuts and leftwing nuts spewing their personal brands of poison....LOL! I try to read equal numbers of articles from both right and left wing slants, throw out 50 % of each...and hope that that will be something close to TRUTH.

One thing is for sure...I think that allowing so much time before Zimmerman was charged is likely to work against him in a major way. 2 investigators from the night of the shooting had recommended charges against him, saying that his story was not consistent and did not ring true with them. NOW, it appears that his claim that the voice calling for help was him has been "proven" to be a LIE....not good George! Plus, I just what was supposedly a legitimate transcript of records of his 911 calls for the past 2 years....and what they were making sound like an FBI profiler (qualifying the statement because I don't trust everything I read) but apparently, this "authority" noted a "change" in the kinds of calls Zimmerman was making over the past 8 months. He supposedly called in to report a "suspicious" black male....height about 4" tall....guessing age to be between 7-9 yrs old! Another "alledged" call was to report a woman in a blue jeep...who was "yelling" at the elderly PASSENGERS in her back seat! While I think that proving racism is going to be difficult in this case...and not sure how much weight it will carry that an overwhelming majority of Zimmerman's 911 calls were to report blacks. Hmmm, might be like those statistics claiming that a particular neighborhood has an unproportionate number of deaths...but fails to explain that the "neighborhood" houses 3 hospitals and 15 nursing homes.


I doubt the rules of evidence are much different in Ohio than in Florida--they all more or less follow the Federal Rules of Evidence.
I really couldn't address that intelligently as my understanding is limited to a few quick searches no more in depth than was necessary to make sense of something else I was reading...BUT, I did read that Florida is one of few (or it might have been the ONLY...I don't remember) state which does NOT make any distinctions (where is my spell checker?) between "voluntary" and "involuntary" manslaughter. In addition, if the "wrongful death" is underage (under 18) the maximum penalty is double. Please keep in mind, that I read this...and I don't even remember the source so I can't vouch for it's accuracy.

STILL, what I do still firmly believe is that these "Stand Your Ground" laws are ludicrous, and that anyone who can dismiss this case with the ignorant rationalization that Martin "asked" for trouble...by being black, for dressing like a "thug", for having been caught with some marijuana RESIDUE a day earlier....or any other completely irrelavent argument....ya know...don't come crying when some nut job murders someone YOU love....God forbid, even much younger than Martin...and gets away with it using this ridiculous law.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 41
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Posted: 4/12/2012 7:59:09 PM
George Zimmerman stalked him and even called 911 because Treyvon was walking on the sidewalk. It's not exactly a stretch to conclude that Mr. Zimmerman did that because the boy was black. I'd be willing to bet he didn't do that every time he saw someone on the sidewalk.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/12/2012 11:57:44 PM
what between blackness of the heart and sly racists using
codewords our canuck friends are getting all aerated again

eh by
using coded words to point out sly racists with blackness
in their hearts.

personally a poster earlier said something that rings nearer
to what could have happened (hey assumptions we all make them
even non sly racists with blackness in the heart).

young geezer who feels he aint scared of no one, would be polis
carrying gun. dodgy area by all accounts and hey bingo

one dead one in jail and thats about it.

martin was a black laddie zimmerman half white half hispanic
although only the white bit got mentioned at the start.

zimmerman will fall because the authorities need a result to calm
things down.

your president should have shut up though as it appears
to make him take sides.
 russell5417
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 46
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Posted: 4/13/2012 6:17:52 AM
msg 59...........it is obvious that you have never had any children..........let alone a teenage boy.

You can be the greatest parent on earth and do all that you can do to guide them/love them and still have problems with teenage boys or girls. They have a mind of their own and sometimes all that you can do is hope for the best. If they don't come home at night, sometimes, there isn't much you can do other than hope and pray for the best.

I'm sure Trayvon's dad was worried sick, but there was nothing he could do, his son hadn't even been gone 24 hrs..........calling the police would do no good.

Trayvon DID have the same ability to make decisions as the rest of us.........he ESPECIALLY had the very same rights as George Zimmerman! Even if it were true that Zimmerman got his a$$ handed back to him, that was Trayvon's right to defend HIMSELF!

SO...............what I am wondering is.........if George Zimmerman was so CERTAIN that Trayvon was SO dangerous ........why on earth was he BULLYING the TEENAGER? After being told that professional MEN would deal with it.

I used to live in central Florida........there is NO inner city "East Compton" in Sanford......what a JOKE!. And besides..........this took place in a gated community........have you ever seen the gated communities in Florida? lol

The greatest danger/threat in THAT particular gated community was George Zimmerman, and a few other paranoid delusionals that obviously had no lives.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 48
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Posted: 4/13/2012 7:26:46 AM

Trayvon DID have the same ability to make decisions as the rest of us.........he ESPECIALLY had the very same rights as George Zimmerman! Even if it were true that Zimmerman got his a$$ handed back to him, that was Trayvon's right to defend HIMSELF!


That is a very important observation that is being overlooked here by those who are condemning the victim and his family. We know that they have their reasons, but we shouldn't be distracted by the trolls. We don't want this forum closed because some posters don't want to deal with the known facts.

I agree that, even if it turns out that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, he had a right to defend himself. Zimmerman was the aggressor in this case. He was chasing after Trayvon, who was running away from Zimmerman. Trayvon hadn't committed any crime other than going back to the house after buying skittles and a soda at the convenience store. Perhaps he was afraid for his life, and he had a right to stand his ground just as much as anyone else. The recording from the incident clearly demonstrates that Zimmerman was running after Trayvon, and that is not an act of self-defense against an unarmed kid.
 GrandmaBooBoo
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Posted: 4/13/2012 8:01:51 AM
Cooldude: I agree with that we need to be much more interested in factual evidence and LAW than the emotional hysteria and personal prejudices of those who choose to pick their favorite outcome, and then heed only those portions of "fact" which support that conclusion. However, with the cold eye of an clinical analysist, you've done some emotional justification yourself.

1 & 2) agreed.

3) agree, provisionally. I don't think that it will ever be proven that this was a racially inspired event, nor am I convinced that Zimmerman is openly bigoted, in fact, I'm more inclined to say he's not. But as I look at the 2 photos of these men, Zimmmerman when arrested 2 days ago, and the Trayvon photo from THIS school year, I have to ask myself...which of these 2 males would intimidate ME the most? I'm sorry to say....that it would be Zimmerman. And while I can honestly say that I don't think of myself as someone who HAS racial biases, the FACT is...that I know I do! As I analyze that bias, I realize that...Trayvon Martin looks just like any other 17 yr old macho teenage boy on the street...but that Zimmerman has these dark, beady little closeset eyes...and is in bad need of a shave! I have to slap my face and say...STOP IT! Physical appearance has NOTHING to do with character and INTELLECTUALLY...I know this...but as a human being...I think that those small quiet "judgements" will always be there. So, in that vein, I agree that I don't think Zimmerman is a blatant racist, but that does NOT negate the FACT...that Zimmerman has presented NO justification (as required by law....the "reasonable man") for his "suspicious" lable of Martin. Wearing a hoodie...BS, I'll bet you anything that Zimmerman himself has 1/2 a dozen or more "hoodies". Martin was NOT DOING anything "suspicious", by Zimmerman's own words....he was just "walking and looking about". Hell, when I go for a walk...I "look about" TOO! Sometimes I even STOP in front of a neighbors house to look at their landscaping...NOT because I'm planning to rob them...but because I see flowers that I might like go and buy for my own flower gardens. This certainly does NOT make me "suspicious"....unless of course...I'm wearing a hoodie?

4)
I don't think any of us really knows the extent on how far Zimmerman followed Treyvon, Could be Treyvon ran away and Zimmerman could not catch up or even he did catch up and/or returned to his vehicle, whatever.
Ahhh, but we DO know...by Zimmerman's own statements. He stated, "Ahhh, he's RUNNING!" From there however, we loose any real insight as to how the story unfolds from that time.

5)
People are saying it does not matter what trouble Trayvon got in prior to the shooting. Trayvons past history is very important in the case as it makes it feasible whether or not Treyvon is capable of attacking Zimmerman unprovoked.
Whoaaaa there cooldude! Now, I can agree that IF we consider Martins "past history" as important in his capability of attacking Zimmerman....THEN...we MUST ALSO consider Zimmerman's "past history" as important. Your statement indicates that you are NOT willing to here BOTH histories. Stop reading if it's too logical for you...but the FACTS ARE....that Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for having "RESIDUE" of marijuana in a plastic bag inside his bookbag. There are NO reports of ANY "violent" behaviors on Martins record...no fights at school. There is however, 1 unsubstaintiated report of a Facebook post where a cousin of Martin asked ...in some form of slang...."you didn't swing on a bus driver?". There (to my knowledge) have been NO reports of Martin stating that he DID "swing on" a bus driver, and until we see that.....to any reasonable mind, the cousin who asked the question was most likely displaying HIS behavior, (called projecting). Because this might have been the cousins behavior...he would assume that EVERYONE reacts as he would...which is NOT the case, and proves nothing.
We also KNOW...that Zimmerman DOES have a history of violent and aggressive behavior. He was arrested in 2006 (I believe) for interferring with the arrest of a friend and for assaulting a police officer. He was also arrested for domestic violence. While I will agree that domestic violence charges can often be bogus, the interferring with arrest, and assaulting a police officer are pretty compelling evidence of Zimmerman's violent history.
6)
The media greatly misrepresented Treyvon & Zimmerman to seem it was racially motivated and to sell news stories. Pictures showing Treyvon when he was like 13, rather then 17 and also Treyvon was more like 6'2 or 6'3 and probably weight more then 140Lbs.
The media does what they have to to sell newspapers...period. No intelligent and reasonable person believes everything they hear on the news. We read many reports from a wide variety of sources, throw out the 50% of extremes from each side (liberal and conservative views)...and then we believe that about 1/2 of what's left in the middle is somewhere close to the truth. That gives us about 25% of the overall picture from "media".
7)
Family trying to hide Trayvons past by shutting down his twitter & Facebook page.
WOW!!! This is really a stretch! First of all, let me inform you....as a parent who has a deceased child, and who tried in vain for MONTHS to "shut down" my daughters online profiles...that NO online social media site will shut down a page for a grieving parent! NONE! My daughters account was hacked about 1 year after her death. Imagine my surprise one day when I logged on to find my dead child....online! My biggest fear was her sisters reaction...who took the death so hard that were afraid for a long time that she was suicidal over her sisters death. Hackers, had taken my daughters account to spam "Acai Berry diets". A Marine's family was unable to shut down his accounts after his death.....to spare themselves the cruel and hideous comments of people who think that ALL military personnel should be killed. Your information however IS biased! There are other accounts saying that FACEBOOK shut down Martins account BECAUSE of the "abuses" which were happening there...and that the hits were choking their bandwidth.
8)
Security footage, some people say Zimmerman shows no injuries. Considering it was a bit far away around 15-20 feet away. I'm not totally convinced there were no injuries since policeman looks at the back of Zimmermans head. I want to see pictures at the scene, which were probably much closer up and easier to see. Normally police take pictures of injuries as evidence.
You, Sir...are about 2 weeks behind, but nothing like beating a dead horse if it furthers your own agenda. Zimmerman DID have injuries which were treated at the scene by paramedics. There are photos all over the place online if you have any interest in answers...but maybe you just like asking questions that have already been answered....ad nauseum. Zimmerman's "injuries" were treated at the scene..and not serious enough to warrant a detour to the ER for treatment.

9,10 and 11) Social Scientists put "eye witnesses" into the same catagory as lie detector tests, audio analysis, and handwriting experts. UNRELIABLE. "Eye witness" accounts are notoriously unreliable and frequently, easily broken particularly in cases like this...where "witnesses" were handicapped by darkness, being distracted while dialing 911, over excitement....and because years of scientific research has "proven" that witness have the unfortunate tendency to "see" what they EXPECT to see.
In regard to your dismissal of the audio analysis experts, no doubt you dismiss DNA evidence in child paternity as well. You no doubt question that just because 4x6=24...that it does NOT follow that 24 divided by 4 = 6. The HYPOTHESIS being tested by the "audio experts" was NOT whether the voice on the recording belonged to Trayvon Martin, but whether the voice on the recording DID belong to George Zimmerman. One does NOT preclude another totally unexpected choice....such as...since the voice did NOT belong to Zimmerman (most likely) they have NOT said that the voice DID in fact belong to Martin...but could have belonged to .....a kid in an apartment 3 buildings away.
12) Certainly....there is a lot of evidence that the general public will probably NEVER see. What "concerns" me however is this lop-sided "justice" of yours which claims impartiality and yet asks (demands) that the victim answer questions that you don't want to be asked of the "accused". Scary....really.
 GrandmaBooBoo
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P.S. Under #7...there ARE reports TODAY, that Zimmerman...who had denied having a My Space page, even though the profile lists the person as 28 yr old male in Lake Mary Florida...and has a photo of Zimmerman and his wife....carrying the ID of "datniggietb". Family of Zimmerman have already defended the page...after denying that Zimmerman had EVER had a My Space page, then admitted that they'd forgotten about it...as had he....even though the account shows activity within the past week. IF you want to rely on those "eye witness" you place so much faith in...then you have one....a reporter who was on the phone with Zimmerman's wife...and who states that Zimmerman's wife commented..."Oh wow....I have to go.....theres a LOT of personal stuff on here".

Since I don't have much faith in "eye witnesses"....I tend to dismiss that reporters comments and insinuations, but being that you DO trust "eye witnesses"....you might want to rethink your position on Martins social networking pages....or...just keep blaming the victim and emotionally justifying Zimmerman's behaviors.
 russell5417
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 52
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Posted: 4/13/2012 10:05:50 AM
I raised my son by myself.........I use of the term "hope and pray" is a figure of speech. You are spinning that into something else altogether. I am not a member of any church. The last time I was in a church was attending a funeral in 2007.

In one one of your responses, you state that you were somewhat of a delinquent. So with your twisted logic, it would have been ok for someone mentally unbalance to shoot you, just assuming that you had lousy parents?

Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in the middle of the night, he shot Martin in the afternoon while carrying home some skittles.

The parenting aspect of it is a NONE issue. Unless you might want to discuss George Zimmermans parents parenting skills. lol

I am just glad that they finally arrested the man who shot the teenage boy armed with the bag of skittles, after stalking him when he was clearly told not to do so.

So what now? Are you going to spin the size of the bag of Skittles into something as irrelevant as Trayvon Martins parents parenting skills? lol
 raxarsr
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Posted: 4/13/2012 10:39:45 AM
gotta love how all you folks know all the facts and legalities of this case.......................what channel news do you watch?.......were you there?.........i'm sure the prosicution could use your eye witness testimony


geeze people



heres the facts i know

a security guard/watchman followed a suspicious person..........[suspicious because he was inside a fenced off area]

a confrontation ensued..........the suspicious character was shot and killed..........[a very sad and unfortunate thing to be sure]

the shooter has a somewhat unsavory history

the victim has ..just recently......developed a somewhat unsavory history


other than that.........i.........and i'm betting 100% of the rest of you dont know any other facts



now i have a question to ask..............and i honestly would like honest answers

if the victim was black...................the shooter hispanic......................why is the race card being flashed and white folks are being blamed?................i'm serious.........i really cant comprehend the reasoning
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
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Posted: 4/13/2012 10:58:51 AM
it is stories like these that keep people from thinking about the very real and serious issues
lets face it people shoot each other all the time
everyday in Detroit,(just across the river)!
 russell5417
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 57
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Posted: 4/13/2012 12:05:42 PM
.........."Hope and Pray"............figure of speech. Look it up. My bad...I used a figure of speech in reference to something that is a non-issue here in the discussion of a mentally ill wannabe cop, stalking a teenage boy wearing a hoodie, carrying a bag of Skittles home, in the afternoon, obeying his dads wishes that he return from the store as soon as he bought the bag of Skittles. Responsible teen, obeying his good parents wishes. lol

If anyone wants to get their jollies, by assuming that literally I hoped and prayed my way through responsible parenting, so be it. That is beside the point.

The point is...........the delusional, wannabe, mentally ill, vigilante "cop" stalked the teenage boy that was carrying the bag of Skittles and shot and killed him within pi$$ing distance of his dads home, after being told NOT to follow him by the 911 dispatch..

The teen had EVERY much right to defend himself as George Zimmerman. I guess George Zimmerman had a right to defend himself, because he was going to get his a$$ kicked for stalking and creeping out the teen boy? Who knows.....Trayvon may have thought George Zimmerman was a sex offender/predator.

The irony of it all is, that George Zimmerman has destroyed his own life along with the lives of the teens family while playing cop. George Zimmerman must have been living in LA LA LAND. But now he has catapulted his own sorry a$$ into reality land..........he has royally and literally fu&%ed himself, whether he goes to prison or not.

George (itmustsucktobehim) Zimmerman.....STALKER with a gun.

Trayvon Martin..............STALKEEE... teenager responsibly going home to his dads, armed with a bag of Skittles.. in the afternoon....in broad daylight. LOL

LOLOLOL
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 58
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Posted: 4/13/2012 12:50:47 PM
It hasn't even begun. Zimmerman may be released without a trial once his lawyer presents the "Stand Your Ground" defense. If the judge agrees ... Zimmerman walks ... no trial


At which point; you have a race war on your hands.

I thought stand your ground meant "your" ground, not "ground you walked over" to get to the incvident.

Zimmerman's going to get murder 2 at the very least.

 GrandmaBooBoo
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So far nobody has addressed what would have/have not happened IF Trayvon had lowered his hoodie, turned around and faced Zimmerman, and showed his hands. Does anybody here really believe that Zimmerman would have shot Trayvon if Trayvon had stopped and lowered his hoodie and showed his hands?
I've seen this kind of comment before....and it's a VERY DANGEROUS one.....not to mention one that is completely and totally against everything that RESPONSIBLE parents teach their children.

We are all taught in self defense classes that we do NOT assume a position of "submission" but one of power and authority when we are being "stalked". The LAST thing that Martin would have been taught to do, is to give the criminal who was stalking him any more encouragement by showing fear. This is exactly what child molesters do...they play on the "fear" and "submission" that uneducated children give to adults who have bad intentions.

This socialistic nonsense is one of the biggest problems with our country! People who have NO authority, trying to excercise authority over the weak minded...who just follow along like sheep! I remember, the year that my 2nd daughter told me that I "HAD" to attend at "meeting" at school at 7pm....or that SHE would get an "F" as a 6 weeks grade for English! The "meeting"....was to justify removing 8th graders from 2 weeks of English classes...to put them through some humanistic socialization crap. Since I had endured the meeting the previous year with my older daughter...and since I was in my own college class until 7:30pm that night...and since I was 36 yrs old....I wasn't too keen on some 27 yr old teacher telling me that she was going to fail my child....for MY lack of compliance with her little "cheerleading party". Daughter begged me to write a note which was "get her out of trouble" for her Mother's horrible crime....of believing in and respecting, the personal liberties and freedoms...theoretically guaranteed to us by the U.S. Constitution. Instead of an "excuse" pleading that my daughter not be penalized because I was being a "bad mom"....I sent the woman a copy of the Constitution. She was so dense....she replied, "Thanks, but you STILL haven't told me the REASON you did not attend!" OMG!!!
Another event.....it was on a SUNDAY morning for one thing...and we attend church regularly...but there was a "high school band concert" which started at 11am....and my daughter...who was in 4th grade..... her class was told...that if they did NOT attend this concert to support the high school...that THEY would get "Fs" for a semester grade! My daughter told the music teacher that SHE would not be attending....and this idiot man CALLED me...and said...he heard that I had a "transportation" problem! LOL! NO!!! I said....we have OTHER plans. He wanted to argue! Now, our routine was...that the girls Father would pick them up at church on Sunday afternoons for visitation and that while it was fine with ME if HE wanted to take the girls to the concert...but that it was HIS decision...but in any event, I did NOT appreciate my children being THREATENED in order to blackmail ME into playing their puppet.
One more! When my 17 yr old daughter decided that she should NOT have to follow MY rules....curfew, places where she was.....and was NOT allowed to be....we got into a bit of a "Mother/Daughter" war. Her attitude was such that....she was just going to go "live with Dad"....which she did. This lasted for 2 WEEKS. At 3am, she showed up on her grandmother's doorstep wanting to spend the night...because it got "cold" in her girlfriends car! She had told her Father she was spending the night with a girlfriend....and HE was too stupid to check it out....and know (as I already knew) that this girl....had no home...and that she "lived" in her car. So, at the end of those 2 weeks, the Assistant Principle called ME into the office to discuss my daughter. It seems that they were going to have to remove her from school...because her Father did not live in the district and she didn't want to change schools. This moron of an assistant Principle.....had the AUDACITY to recommend to ME....that I should allow my 17 yr old daughter to move back home.....and PAY RENT....thus "buying" herself the freedom to do as she pleased!!!!
I tried to explain to this moron that I am NOT a "landlady"...I AM a MOTHER...and that as a Mother, my rules are not about money....they were about doing what was RIGHT....and GOOD for my child!

SO, while you're all being all huffy about what kind of PARENT allows their child to be "out" at all hours......which in this case is truly stupid, because Martin was "out" at 7pm. But it is SCHOOLS, and all you LIBERAL hypocrits who advocate giving unreasonable power and authority to so called "adults" (like Zimmerman) who are ALL about throwing their weight around to bully and intimidate anyone who has the guts to stand up to their BS...YOU are the reason and the CAUSE for why decent parents have NO control over their children.

Out of ONE side of your mouths, you preach that kids should give authority to any "adult" who tells them rob, kill, disrespect their parents or anything else that suits you....and then out of the OTHER side of your mouth you rant about loving and decent parents who constantly fighting to protect their children from the evils that this society tries to influence them with!

I don't know Trayvon Martins parents...I don't know what their flaws are...maybe they are terrible....BUT maybe...just MAYBE...they were doing the best they could to combat the influence of you commie P.O.S.s who preach that anyone who's birthday falls a year before theirs is someone you have to submit and cowtow to!

As far as Trayvon Martin KNEW.....George Zimmerman was a CRIMINAL....someone with a gun...who was stalking him for NO reason....other than to harm him. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect Trayvon Martin to pull out his crystal ball and magically surmise that Zimmerman was actually someone with a right, and a reason to be stalking a young boy. The burden of identification WAS on George Zimmerman. Police HAVE to identify themselves as police. As far as Trayvon Martin knew...the man chasing him with a gun was just another Jeffery Dahlmer...who was going to rape him...and then cannabalize him. And based on THIS....you think Martin should have just turned himself over willingly and trust that the psycho chasing him was really a good guy...exhibiting some really "bad guy" behaviors??? I'm sorry...but teenagers are just NOT that logical. What next...he died because he wasn't mature enough to rationalize that sometimes adults act like jerks?
 Imported_labor
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Msg: 60
George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/13/2012 2:04:15 PM
So far nobody has addressed what would have/have not happened IF Trayvon had lowered his hoodie, turned around and faced Zimmerman, and showed his hands. Does anybody here really believe that Zimmerman would have shot Trayvon if Trayvon had stopped and lowered his hoodie and showed his hands?


If you want to play the IF games, then why don't we start a little earlier than that?

What would have happened IF..... Zimmerman had heeded the instruction of the police dispatcher to desist in chasing Trayvon? Most likely Trayvon would be alive and Zimmerman would not be in jailed charged with murder.

Do you think that Zimmerman would have chased after Trayvon IF ...... he didn't have a gun? Most likely not, and the result would have been that Trayvon would still be alive, etc.....

What IF... Trayvon had been a real gangster with a penchant for violence and he had been carrying a gun when Zimmerman decided to chase him around that gated community. Could Trayvon have shot and killed Zimmerman because he feared for his life and decided to stand his ground? The fact is that he was carrying a bag of Skittles and a drink and he was trying to get away from Zimmerman.

And why on earth would any kid have to stop and lower his hoodie and show his hands to a crazy nobody when he wasn't doing anything wrong?

So, to answer your question. I think that Trayvon is dead because he had the misfortune of crossing that gated community when a murderer was lon the loose trying to find a victim to chase around and, ultimately , kill.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/13/2012 2:58:28 PM

I think that Trayvon is dead because he had the misfortune of crossing that gated community when a murderer was lon the loose trying to find a victim to chase around and, ultimately , kill.


I think I see how you think. It's called jumping to conclusions.

Zimmerman is already a murderer. I had thought that at most, he has only been charged with murder.

Zimmerman was "on the loose." So he should have been confined even before he committed this murder?

Zimmerman was trying to find a victim to chase and kill. That's another way of saying he premeditated what he did. So the state should have charged him with first-degree murder, and the prosecution is wrong to charge him only with second-degree murder.
 frijolera_ninja
Joined: 4/11/2011
Msg: 71
George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/13/2012 4:48:26 PM

She's up for re-election. It was a campaign speech.


I think the media is stirring up all the racism it can muster up for the presidential election.
 GrandmaBooBoo
Joined: 12/30/2006
Msg: 72
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Posted: 4/13/2012 5:51:53 PM

Zimmerman was trying to find a victim to chase and kill. That's another way of saying he premeditated what he did. So the state should have charged him with first-degree murder, and the prosecution is wrong to charge him only with second-degree murder.
YES, I realize that was a rhetorical question.....and I fully agree with you! These hysterical assumptions and emotional statements actually HURT the system of justice. Keyword being "Justice" not "revenge". The real "shame" of this whole thing is that TWO young lives are being destroyed because some ignorant, power hungry old men and women pushed through a BAD law that allows foolish people to kill without any "reasonable" cause. 17 yr old Trayvon Martin is dead...and Zimmerman, at age 28 is a very young man whose life will never be the same because of what he did...without regard to what he may or may not have been thinking 5 minutes before he pulled the trigger on that gun.

Under the guise of "protecting freedom"....when we give loose cannons and lunatics the "right" to shoot people, then we TAKE AWAY the freedom of our children to walk up the block to a friends house to do homework. We take away MORE freedoms....by imposing unspoken dress codes on people, who are still NOT SAFE...because they will never know whether the nut job they run into has a grudge against jogging suits...or 3 piece business .

These 2 lives are already wasted, maybe we should focus on repealling the "Law" which encourages people to shoot first and claim "Stand Your Ground" later.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/13/2012 10:47:36 PM
SOMEONE is going to have to defuse the situation in a racial sense because
it will kick off big time.

zimmerman will, i think get jail time how much will be a mute point.

this thread reminds me of the muslims thrown of a plane thread.

we ALL had comments to make yet no one knew all the facts.

IF zimmerman is found not guilty then i pity folk who will be
on the end of revenge attacks.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kill-that-white-man-78-year-old-man-beaten-by-6-youths-in-alleged-racially-motivated-attack/
Kill That White Man!’: 78-Year Old Man Beaten By 6 Youths in Alleged Racially-Motivated Attack

and
Gainesville Sun — Gainesville police are investigating the beating of a 27-year-old man that they believe to have been “racially motivated”.
The man was walking home from midtown bars in Gainesville Tuesday morning when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who yelled “Trayvon” before the attack.

this will be the tip of the iceberg. i think the laddies* parents are going to have to try
and calm things down and also your president could say something.

lots of allegeds in the story

* laddie is a scottish word for boy or young man and not a codeword for sly racism
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 4/14/2012 8:43:18 AM

These 2 lives are already wasted, maybe we should focus on repealling the "Law" which encourages people to shoot first and claim "Stand Your Ground" later.


I can't agree with you. I read the Florida law, and it sounds reasonable to me. I don't think it even has any bearing here. As Prof. Dershowitz said, going by the facts the prosecution is alleging, there's nothing inconsistent with traditional self-defense--even without the "stand your ground" factors.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 80
George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/14/2012 9:06:05 AM

I've seen this kind of comment before....and it's a VERY DANGEROUS one.....not to mention one that is completely and totally against everything that RESPONSIBLE parents teach their children.

We are all taught in self defense classes that we do NOT assume a position of "submission" but one of power and authority when we are being "stalked". The LAST thing that Martin would have been taught to do, is to give the criminal who was stalking him any more encouragement by showing fear. This is exactly what child molesters do...they play on the "fear" and "submission" that uneducated children give to adults who have bad intentions.


yes, the "submission response" is what 19 Saudi Arabian hijackers counted on, on 9-11. It worked well on 3 of 4 jets hijacked that day; it only did not on the one over PA because the passengers by that time knew of the fate of the first 3, and fought back -sadly, unsuccessfully but at least they had a fighting chance rather than complete submission.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 81
George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/14/2012 10:00:34 AM

I tried to e-mail you but it is restricted. Are you an attorney? Just curioius - you have provided explanations that have helped me understand.

If you go through his history, you'll see that he is certainly not an attorney.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 82
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George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!
Posted: 4/14/2012 12:10:53 PM
and? your not an american. neither am i

wind your neck in gadgie
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/14/2012 12:18:13 PM
na uncontrolablebladder is just spouting pish

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