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 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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The Right didn't make this into a national news story, did it? That was the Left. And the Left did it in order to push a minority grievance agenda.


Frankly, you completely missed the point of my reply which was in response to this thread...and comment within this thread...of couse the uber rightwingnut evangelicals don't like that liberal lamestream media...what else is new...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 471
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Posted: 5/2/2012 7:51:30 AM
Frankly, I could care what the stinkin leftwing lamestream media says or does...the same goes for FOX and the conservative rightwingnut evangelical blog...Zimmerman gets his day in court to defend his actions...that I will take as gospel...and right, wrong, or indifferent...the evidence and a jury of his piers will decide what's what...

My beef is with the vigalante law ..Stand Your Ground...which promotes street justice and seems to go against the grain of civility....a citizenery armed to stand their ground isn't a civilized society.

BTW....PC and proud of it.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 472
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Posted: 5/2/2012 8:46:20 AM


Ah, suddenly you are pious and above concern with the media.


You clearly have not read any of my posting on this issue and therefore, don't know WTF you're talking about.


I'd enjoy hearing your garbled justification in why this is a point of pride.


It only would seem garbled to you because you have clearly shown your bias.


Average citizens are just trying to catch up.


Average citizens aren't packin heat spoiling for an argument....those that are are not members of a civilized society and are part of the fraction of America they most complain about.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 473
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:00:58 AM
PH...I've posted darn near from the beginning of this thread...and have never commented on the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman...but, I have commented on Stand Your Ground.

So, please point out the specific post that proves your point...



It is painfully obvios that both sides are equally guilty here.


My comments were aimed at the attempted slur of being called PC...and I am PC and proud of it....do I have bias...you betcha...I'm extremely negative towards stupidity.

 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 474
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:12:10 AM
I say and promote ideas, not because of their validity, but because of political pressure and sensitivity.


ROFLMAO...go to one of your conservative wingnut blogs and cut n paste PC...because an origional thought cannot be found here.

Anyway, I personally don't see the racist spin on this shooting of Treyvon...though, I do see one side calling the shooting racially motivated and the other side defending their racism....to me it is just a simple case of bad law promoting street justice.


Since you, and I have been reading and commenting from the start, do you disagree that both sides of the fence are displaying obvious bias?


PH,

We've both commented on the bias of both camps...the reality is we know what the media feeds us..and thats all bullshyte...

PC means one who's moral fiber is in tune with a civilized society...a sense of integrity that eludes "some"...a willingness to accept all for whom they are not whom we wish them to be...IOW...someone whom "some" are not and are incapable of being


Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 476
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:13:11 AM
the Black Panthers offered a bounty for Zimmerman


I almost missed this gem of dis-information..so, here's the real deal on the "Bounty":

A group identifying itself as the New Black Panther Party is offering $10,000 to anyone who makes a citizen's arrest of George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin slaying
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/27/nation/la-na-nn-black-panther-party-20120327


ROFLMAO...bounty....and here I was thinking..."dead or alive"...foolish me.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 477
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:38:49 AM

Language, ideas, policies, and behavior meant to minimize offense, not maximize truth


Upon reading your ranting blather about Trayvon...you really should not be speaking about truth...clearly, it is a novel concept to you and something you've little knowledge about.


Is this kind of like the time you heaped ridicule on me for my insane right-wing definition of PC,


WTF are you talking about...my only statements were that I am proud to be PC, in spite of your inane attempt at a slur...and to quote a real defination of PC...without the personal bullshyte slinging of some.


That IS pretty embarrassing!


What is embarrassing to me is being drawn into a debate with someone clearly incapable of logical discussion...please carry on.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:52:38 AM
good point unyou

showing pride means that you look down on folk does it not in the pc lexicon?

but then only the guilty have no pride
which pretty much sums up the pc stasi to me. although no doubt this shall be a DIFFERENT kind
of pride though.

they do love to throw out insults at folks who are asking questions of this case involving
zimmerman and martin. but boy oh boy dont do the same thing back.

more hissing than a barrel full of hissy type things
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 480
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:58:39 AM

[Explanation from BBNI as to why he's proud to be PC still pending.]


It's in this page of postings...but apparently too subtle for you to have seen it.


Isn't pride Politically Incorrect?


Well I agree if you're talking about proud to be racist, homophobic, and bigoted.

But, proud to be open and accepting of all (other than those racist homophobic bigots) is something to be proud of...and certianly is PC.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 10:59:54 AM
^^^^^This is about a shooting rather than political correctness. But they're related--leftists generally love PC and race agitation, while hating the Second Amendment (and the First). It's not just coincidence that the notion of "politically correct" thoughts and speech was cooked up decades ago by Marxists at the Frankfurt School as a way of silencing people who deviated from correct communist doctrine.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:16:13 AM
). It's not just coincidence that the notion of "politically correct" thoughts and speech was cooked up decades ago by Marxists at the Frankfurt School as a way of silencing people who deviated from correct communist doctrine.


Well, now that is a complete and total utter lie...prove me wrong.

Examples of the term can be found as early as the 18th century. The previous meaning was 'in line with prevailing political thought or policy'. The term previously used 'correctness' in its literal sense and without any particular reference to language that might be considered offensive or discriminatory. For example, J. Wilson's comments in U.S. Republic, 1793:


"The states, rather than the people, for whose sake the states exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention... Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language... ‘The United States,’ instead of the ‘People of the United States,’ is the toast given. This is not politically correct."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness


--leftists generally love PC and race agitation, while hating the Second Amendment (and the First).


Funny that I could care a wit about race in all this...to me it is about a distorted view/law of how the second amendment should allow a person to Stand His/Her Ground...the right to bear arms isn't a right to shoot another person...

And for someone so legally minded as one claims to be...one would think such a person would be clamouring for the legal process to work it's magical ways...instead of allowing street justice to be judge and jury....but, then that would show true conviction...a quality wanting in some.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:25:17 AM
I really try to understand your point matchlight but c'mon, your general comments about leftists are so way off the mark I have to wonder how you come up with such idiotic conclusions.

I hate race agitation, do not hate the 2nd or 1st amendment and I avoid hate speech like the plague and not because it's politically incorrect, but because it 's meant to divide, conquer and hurt.

PC thought were not cooked up, people have been watching their p's and q' for a long time, generations in my family. The term may have been thought up, but so what, don't use it if you don't like it? I don't like it or use it.

Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed by right wing patriotic propaganda and you can't see it?

All I can say now is here's to hoping you do one day because you are going to miss out on inner peace.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 485
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:36:38 AM
PH....



The problem I have with that though is that the above labels are thrown out way too easily.
I haven't seen much in the way of blatant racism here.
I didn't see much in that "other" thread regarding homophobes either yet the words racism and homophobe flowed like the Nile.


There is racism here...all the white on black statements...and the sebsequent denials-while actually throwing out the hoodie craype as though it weren't a racial statement...so, yes there have been the racist and reverse racist comment here..



I'm open and accepting to all


Hell yea PH...even I cannot stand racist homophobic bigots...and I do not agree with their point of view...while you may not see the undertone of racism/reverse racism...I certianly do.



Remember the last time you quoted Wikipedia? That didn't go so well



lmao...what I remember is your made up comment to tack on at the end...I stand by my comment that you should not be commenting on anything associated with truth.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:41:23 AM
Proco:

You CAN be open and accepting of all PEOPLE and not include "bigots". Bigots aren't people, it's a slang term. We are not being not accepting of the people, we are not being accepting of the attitude.
We are not excluding those we don't agree with, we are not accepting their attitude.

Whereas you cannot be accepting if you do not include everyone for parts of who they ARE (black, white, straight,gay...).
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 487
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:07:34 PM
I need to know the person for a long time before I label them something like a racist or homophobe.
To draw that conclusion based on a few posts seems...impractical.


Is 3 years long enough? and countless threads???
 DameWrite
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:16:36 PM
Dame...attitudes make up people, in part anyway...who they are.
I would never say that I accept all people...I try to understand them as best I can however.


Attitudes do not make up people. Attitudes can change. Attitudes come from outside, not inside.
You can not change your skin colour or sexual orientation. You can hide it, colour it, or deny it, but you can not change it.

Why would you never say you accept all people? What is wrong with that?

I'm glad you try to understand...maybe it's a step towards acceptance. Good on you.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:44:50 PM

Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed by right wing patriotic propaganda and you can't see it?


Very sure. I have studied how propaganda uses words and images to spread lies. It's somewhat like finding baloney in legal arguments--once you know what to look for, you can see through it.

The "so what" of political correctness is that it was designed by Marxists expressly to silence opposing points of view. Read a little about the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, etc. Multiculturalism is part of the same war on Western traditions and civil liberties. So are attacks on the Catholic Church. So is excusing Islamist extremism. So are a number of other leftist projects that involve running down the United States.

If you can persuade enough people to destroy their own culture and traditions, you save yourself the trouble and danger of trying to conquer them by force. It's not quick or easy to trick millions of people into committing cultural suicide. But getting control of Hollywood, universities, news outlets, and in some cases public schools helps a lot, because it lets you control what people learn.

That's why I will always be an enemy of leftism. Far from being kind and progressive and open-minded, as it may appear on the surface, at its core it is about intolerance, control, and tyranny. Beneath the Che Guevara shirt, there is usually a brown undershirt.

The agitation about this case shows how much leftists dislike the Second Amendment. Statists don't like things that tend to interfere with centralized government authority, whether it's free speech, states' rights, organized religion, or an armed citizenry.
 rpl55
Joined: 3/22/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 1:45:44 PM
Interesting bit of news.



George Zimmerman's 2005 MySpace page, unearthed by the Miami Herald on Wednesday, suggests Trayvon Martin's shooter had a history of racial profiling.

On Wednesday, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, confirmed that the page--registered under the username "onlytobekingagain"--was real.

In the "About Me" section, Zimmerman--identified as "Joe G."--expressed resentment toward Mexicans living in his former Manassas, Va., community:

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!

In a blog post dated Aug. 24, 2005, Zimmerman downplayed an alleged domestic dispute involving his ex-girlfriend: "Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me!"

In another, on Aug. 30, 2005, he boasted about how a pair of felony charges related to an alleged assault on a police officer were dropped. "2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!!" Zimmerman wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-myspace-page-trayvon-martin-shooter-called-180717152.html


RPL
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 492
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:03:28 PM
I don't know. I don't like it when people here post stuff of about the victim to try to prove that he had it coming. I don't much like this either. In 2005, the shooter would have been in his 20's and I said some pretty stupid stuff in my 20's. They just didn't have social networks then.

The initial shock was that nothing was done about a man who shot and killed a teenager. Now something is being done after it was taken out of that hands of local authorities. I'm confident the federal prosecutors will do a good job, and a lot of racists have contributed to Mr. Zimmerman's defence, so he'll get competent representation too.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:11:46 PM
One of the best ever!


Thank you. You have no idea how much that means to me.


Or translated, leftists are scum and not entitled to free speech, only we pure white mericans with guns are!


Your translating skills need as much work as your manners. It seems to me you're speaking very freely, as usual, although I prefer other words for leftists besides "scum." I would never even dream of trying to keep a leftist from saying anything he likes. The more they reveal what they're all about, the better I like it.


get rid of the EPA,


As someone who's studied the early history of the EPA and understands how it operates and how damaging it is, I think dissolving it might not be a bad idea. Most of what it's doing is probably unconstitutional--not that that should bother leftist Gauleiters.

Just a few weeks ago, the Supreme Court slapped it down, 9-0, in a case where it had tried to prevent a couple from building a house in a subdivision. Who knows why, but the Court thought it was unreasonable to force them to spend $26,000 to remove some gravel they'd had placed on the lot, charge them $37,500 for each *day* it remained there, and require them to spend $300,000 to apply for a permit, and then have it denied, before they could even sue.


Who called who a brownshirt?


It's interesting that your mind is so much on name-calling that you see it where it doesn't exist. It's obvious I was making a general comment and did not address it to anyone here. But that doesn't stop you making a false claim. I'll leave the name-calling to you--you have made a habit of addressing various disgusting personal remarks directly to me, and others.


That someone could just damn an entire view because it does not line up with theirs is unbelievable


To you, maybe. A lot of people damn Stalinism, National Socialism, and Mussolini's Fascism because they don't line up with their views of legitimate government. How very intolerant of them to prefer a democratic republic to a totalitarian state.

vvvvvEdit below:


Reading an article or two about the Frankfurt School doesn't a scholar make.


You might want to be careful about assuming that your opponents share your own low standards of scholarship. Good way to get in over your head in a debate.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 494
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:12:45 PM
The "so what" of political correctness is that it was designed by Marxists expressly to silence opposing points of view. Read a little about the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, etc. Multiculturalism is part of the same war on Western traditions and civil liberties. So are attacks on the Catholic Church. So is excusing Islamist extremism. So are a number of other leftist projects that involve running down the United States.


Leave it to those Marxists to have invented something in the realm of the practices that McCarthy and his followers were imposing on the American people just a few years before. And don't you forget that before McCarthy you had the persecution and killing of dissidents in Colonial America, a practice that had been learned from their protestant European ancestors who really liked burning their opponents at the stake after torturing them to make their victim confess their thought or religious crimes. Sure they had learnt that from the Spanish Catholic inquisitors, but heck, don't you even think of attacking the Catholic Church by mentioning that they harbor and protect the largest contingent of pedophiles in modern history. Only the followers of the Frankfurt School could think of ever saying something against the Catholic Church and its pedophile legions. What a bunch of sh.t!

And of course, demanding justice for a young black man murdered by a racially biased gunman who happen to be a White-Hispanic is the equivalent of "running down the United States." Right?

Only in your brainwashed mind! Reading an article or two about the Frankfurt School doesn't a scholar make.
 DameWrite
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Posted: 5/2/2012 4:18:31 PM
Left and right, democrat/republican socialist/communist are all terms contrived and USED by the same ass's. They actually support it ALL, because it ALL pays for them. They are not loyal to one side, they know it's a gimmick and this thread is becoming another tool for their divide and conquer agenda. Let's cut it out!

The REAL enemy are the ones that want us stupid, racist, afraid, sexist, homophobic, sick and needy and willing to do their dirty work.

They want us not to trust each other, they want us to fight each other, they want us busy with b.s. and trying to get by, so we aren't paying attention to who is really to blame... the stinking rich control freak war mongering zealot perverted money men and their corporations.
This whole Zimmerman/Martin fiasco is another result of their agenda. Zimmerman is and was a peon, and a kid is dead, the family mourns and the media is having a hay day and everyone else is watching their game on the news instead of hauling out all of their assets out of their game. They are stoking this in the media so that we overlook at the real causes; stupidity, fear, poisoning and poverty or where the blame really lies...with them, the puppet masters.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 5/2/2012 4:36:49 PM
Dame Right...I appreciate ya. There is much projection by all involved and we feed upon each others labeling and need to label. Some...you know who they are, make us respond in kind, or unkind as it were. It is a constant battle for both sides, the black and white metaphorically speaking, to dis the shades of grey. The more one side hunkers in the bunkers and feeds on the frenzy, the other side reacts in kind.

A couple of new looks at this phenomenom.
http://www.jimrigby.org/self-defense-against-a-fundamentalist-attack-conclusion/#.T6EhiwaMVTI.facebook
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/02/study-reveals-atheists-are-more-compassionate-and-generous-than-highly-religious-people/

People tend to bristle when called out on their incongruities about their "moral" code. I find these forums entertaining in trying to understand what drives us in such divergent directions, despite professed similarities. Arguing with certain folks is obviously an exercise in futility, but it also reveals human nature that certain folks wish to stay away from. Perfect addendum to a dating site.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 5/2/2012 6:58:39 PM
Hispanics and latinos are every bit as much conquistators of the Americas as nordics, brits, and others of light skin tones.In more racist parts of the Americas, the terms hispanics and latinos are used as code for indigenous peoples. Look at Florida, Alabama, and Arizona for that context. In other parts of the US and the world, hispanic and latino refer to country and culture of origin as much as nordic, european, asian, and other labels do, encompassing the wide plethora of racial groups defined by languange and immigration/emmigration status at a point in time.

In my generations, poles, norwegians, swedes, spics, slavs, isrish, scots, and many others were the preferred scapegoats.

In a nation founded on a need to have an enemy, someone to blame, and subject to removal of folks in the blame game, there is always a new demographic to pour it onto. Just look at the hatred of commies, libruls, marxists, brown folks, etc... And so it goes.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:44:06 PM
dont you think theres no much topic left to discuss?

all is conjecture and no one on here knows diddly squat apart from
what the corrupt media has fed out. its a bit tail chasing.

now EP made a good point about 'entertainment' on the forums and
cat fights and british bull dog are all part of it. i think a thread about
the frankfurt school and cultural marxism would be well in order

oh and the new angry arsehole poster, you dont have an alter ego
on here do you? lol

i think we should be told lol
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