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 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 176
Homophobia -- the DealbreakerPage 8 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)
^^^
A down to earth woman.Wish there were more like you deet.
@bluemoon
Yeah you can talk,since all priests are rapists and pedos, right?Only a minority were bad,and being part of an identifiable organization means they can be tracked down.But you and HFX will continue on with your hateful rants at every opportunity, but that's on the PC list.
 browneyesboo
Joined: 5/19/2005
Msg: 177
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 8:18:16 AM

There is no such thing as homophobia. It is a word created to denigrate those who do not promote the life choices. It has been very effective but it has lost its power due to over usage.


You're right, there is no such thing as homophobia. It's a word created to allow asshats the comfort of a "phobia"
to denigrate those who's lifestyles are different from their own. No one is asking you or anyone to "promote"
anything. People do not need your approval to live their life.

Not sure who is dating priests and why they keep surfacing in this thread.
That's for another thread I guess. "Priests and why we can't help loving them even though"

*snicker*
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 178
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 9:47:19 AM
No, I'm not so hateful on religion Calguy, I'm okay with people having faith. What I have an issue with are folks on sites like the one you posted and their fanatical views. If you want to go to church on Sunday, I'm not going to knock it.

Homophobia is a "nice" word for hating or fearing or denigrating those that are different than the norm. Homophobia is generally, not always, taught...just like bigotry and racism. Children aren't born to be racists or bigots or homophobes, they are taught this by some idiot.

The site Calguy cited had a petition to get the Duggars back on TV, here's a family that made money from the fact that they turned Mom's uterus into a clown car just to see how many children she could have for god. Can you imagine if one of those 20 kids turns out to be gay. The sky would fall. They preach love and kindness while masking their hatred for anything different than what is in the bible, their bible.

And I never said ALL priests are rapists and pedophiles. Some are, the vast majority are not. By the same token, ALL gay men are not pedophiles like you seem to think. The vast majority of gay folks don't like pedophiles either...who does.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 179
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 10:16:37 AM
^^^
@bluemoon
I have never implied that all gay men are pedos.The pedophile that crafted the original sex ed curriculum happened to be attracted to boys,IIRC.There is no shortage of pedos attracted to young girls apparently.
I didn't examine every inch of that site,I don't preach religion and rarely go to church.

I don't feel that rejecting attempts to sexualize children at a young age is fear mongering.All this talk from women about a connection,getting to know the person etc....and then injecting sexuality into how young people perceive one another is beneficial?A young woman should not have to perform sexual acts on young men to prove herself worthy....did you feel a need to assess your sexuality in grade 3?

Walt's comments on this were beyond silly.We do have some groups that sexually mature a little earlier.More unplanned pregnancies and welfare mothers are his answer I suppose.
Since when did a minority of the party faithful get to make decisions concerning the majority in this country?Some scary people in this thread....China just blocked internet access to Gmail BTW....
You might feel churches are unneeded, they still shape many of the communities in North America.What if the entire social fabric was drawn from downtown Van?Let's hear Boo boos snickering answer to that.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 180
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 10:18:14 AM

Maybe we'd have less of an issue if we stopped calling it "homophobia"... which translates literally as a "fear of the same"... I don't think most people "fear" homosexuals.


the only necessary requirement for the label of phobia is that phobic stimuli produce anxiety (or anticipatory anxiety)

whether the individual exhibits avoidance or endures the anxiety often depends on the nature of the stimuli and
the environment circumstances


There is no such thing as homophobia. It is a word created to denigrate those who do not promote the life choices. It has been very effective but it has lost its power due to over usage.


well then, for arguments sake let's call it: Heterosexism . . a system of attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favour of opposite-sex sexuality and relationships, and as shown by some posters it's internalized hatred of one's sexuality

now that's ghey
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 181
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Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 11:44:26 AM
So that's the game now, while spewing on about sexual attraction, one meshes it with pedophilia which has nothing to do with what gender they rape, and claim homophobia to be a non word, thus poof! they have somehow proved their point and wrapped it all up in a religious bow. What a load of crap. Who do you think you are fooling?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 182
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 2:00:31 PM
@dayna
Did you read any of the thread?
To recap....
The man that drew up the controversial sex eduction curriculum.....Levin...was charged last year with....drum roll dayna...PRODUCING child pornography...iirc,he was actively selling or trading....disseminating child porn.Not just pics on his computer.Recruiting victims...capito? Do you feel this kind of person can be neutral teaching sex ed to young children?Hence...the very valid concerns.Hope this clears things up.No unfounded phobia here.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 183
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/29/2014 5:58:25 PM
Well, hostility does not make points so I will not engage. I just wonder why some people are so hostile. Usually it is only one side of the discussion of this topic that resorts to name-calling and attempts to shame. They don't work anymore. However, I must congratulate very successful periods of using it to push people into certain views but it just doesn't work anymore. People have become immune to it. Recent polls show a turning of the tide, to some degree.
I don't really care what you do. But if it is part of a quiz that is given to every prospect, whether it comes up in our lives at a given moment or not, and dating a person requires that I agree with every position that he has on every topic, count me out. I am not an animal person but if I meet your cousin who has five dogs or we go to his house, I will be very cordial and not speak ill of him or denigrate him. I just will not want to go there very often. He can visit us anytime.
 CTRLvector
Joined: 9/21/2014
Msg: 184
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/29/2014 11:03:05 PM

@vector
There are plenty of straight childless couples that cannot find the child they want...moron.Try pairing up with a woman if you want a child,its easier.


In your delusional mind I am sure you believe that there is a gay agenda. A activist group that is attempting to dismantle whatever you think is at risk.

Just throwing out words, and backing them by nothing, is enough to fool yourself. But its not enough to fool anyone who has a legitimate understanding of reality. Reality is not what you want to believe it is. Reality happens as a result of actuality being understood. It requires transcendence from self, it requires fair and just understanding. It basically requires someone who is vastly more intelligent than you. So you have no hope, im sorry to say, you think too highly of yourself.

So throwing out paranoid words, backed by nothing, just makes you look ignorant. A regressed moron, attempting to sell his own hatred as more than what it is worth. Which is nothing, your opinion on the subject is useless, regressed, and people like you slowly die out, replaced by people like me.

Good thing too, ignorance as self important ideology has no place in actuality.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 185
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 3:39:56 AM
^^^^
Replaced by push over pussies like you?The guy who claims he is so tolerant yet watched his punk azz friends gang up and beat a drunken gay man?None of my friends would do that.Nor would I you PC wannabe.You keep talking about intelligence but I sure don't see any evidence,just a stoned insecure fool.

Plenty of sheep to go around.People that can think for themselves are and always will be troublesome to the minds of the weak.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 186
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 4:46:32 AM
It's a free for all so I might as well enjoy myself, seeing as how I was banned for so long.


The guy who claims he is so tolerant yet watched his punk azz friends gang up and beat a drunken gay man?


What about that, vector? I like you but that little tale was disturbing.

Go ahead and tear into me or my profile again. Maybe it will help bring you out of that depression.
 SunshineGirl__
Joined: 10/7/2014
Msg: 187
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 12:40:15 PM

@ SunshineGirl, I was just useing 6 as an arbitrary age.
explaining to the kids there is something wrong in their minds can be complicated to do


Well the age of a child should be considered when attempting to explain something to them. You would speak differently to a six year old, twelve year old, a teenager, etc. so really a child’s age isn’t arbitrary.

This is what you originally posted:
I guess a hard part is when your 6 year old asks something like 'if it takes a mummy and daddy to make babies, where did my friend Steven come from as he only has 2 daddy’s, and no mummy.


Again, what’s so complicated about explaining “Steven” was adopted? I don’t think charts or graphs are necessary for such a simple concept.

As for “explaining to the kids there is something wrong in their minds,” I would suggest you inform yourself before trying to educate a child, or anyone else, about anything.
 browneyesboo
Joined: 5/19/2005
Msg: 188
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 1:19:50 PM

@ SunshineGirl, I was just useing 6 as an arbitrary age.
explaining to the kids there is something wrong in their minds can be complicated to do


What does this even mean?
How does something wrong get in their minds in the first place?

Kids don't get "wrong" things in their heads by themselves.
Perhaps teach them acceptance and tolerance for everyone instead of teaching them your
prejudices.

We don't need another generation of intolerant bastiches.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 189
I DO care that gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 1:42:01 PM

My friend was in a polyamourous relationship....
Her kids were bullied relentlessly when little for having two fathers....


I'm one of those easily confused types. Can you explain what this has to do with gay men? Polyamory is not only unrelated to homosexuality, it's a choice.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 190
I DO care that gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 3:40:29 PM
Good way to teach your kids to be strong.
 SunshineGirl__
Joined: 10/7/2014
Msg: 191
Homophobia -- the Dealbreaker
Posted: 12/30/2014 3:51:03 PM

Explaining things to YOUR kid(s) may be easy.... The other kids however sense something/someone that is different and bully them...


As a parent I would be responsible for explaining things to MY kid(s). I’m not responsible for explaining things to other kids. Actually I’d be pretty ticked off if some other parents decided to “explain” things to MY kid(s) but anyway.

Guess what, some rotten kids bully other kids no matter how many fathers they have. Bully kids have problems their own parents should be addressing.

Are you suggesting people alter the way they live their lives because some punk kid(s) might bully their kid(s) about it?


Good way to teach your kids to be strong.


Agreed. Unfortunately the world is full of rotten bullies and it doesn’t just stop when you become an adult. Kids need to learn how to be strong.


browneyesboo, when I read this:


explaining to the kids there is something wrong in their minds can be complicated to do


I thought he meant explaining to the kids there’s something wrong in the minds of homosexuals….can be complicated.

 CTRLvector
Joined: 9/21/2014
Msg: 192
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/30/2014 10:16:59 PM
The guy who claims he is so tolerant yet watched his punk azz friends gang up and beat a drunken gay man?
What about that, vector? I like you but that little tale was disturbing.


I was young then, I wouldn't have friends like that now.

who are you?

Easy to talk over a forum caliguy, you're not intimidating whatsoever. You're a moron who thinks construction is an alternative to weight training. Alternative if you want to bust your body up for no reason.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 193
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 3:15:32 AM
I wasn't trying to intimidate you kid,I was pointing out the hypocrisy of your ways.

I thought I already managed to get it through that perma fried brain of yours regarding exercise,please don't drag it here,we have enough people trying to deliberately obfuscate the thread.

To return to the subject matter,there is no need to meddle with the minds of the very young,and who is an educator to choose when a child should be exposed to some of the subject matter?This is for parents to decide.Concepts might be introduced too early for some and it might have the same effect as porn on a young mind.

Think of when most people had two parents many years back,somebody having no father stood out.Same for kids having two mommies,kids will get used to it.Two fathers is a small minority.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 194
I DO care that gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 3:21:49 AM

I was young then, I wouldn't have friends like that now.


Of course. That makes sense. We all do things we regret when we're young. I attribute a wee meltdown a few years back on "youth" (I was only in my fifties) so sure, makes sense.

You're not asking who I am? That must have been meant for calguy. Hell, I don't know who anyone is here.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 195
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 3:29:17 AM
"Same for kids having two mommies, kids will get used to it." And the problem is??

Children get "used" to all sorts of things at school and it becomes part of their "normal". Kids see white children, brown children, black children, Asian children, disabled children, children with cerebral palsy or Down Syndrome, tall children , short children, children with a mom and dad, one dad, one mommy or two mommies, step parents. It is adults that teach them to fear a Down Syndrome child or a black child or a child with two mommies.

Yes, ciriculum needs to be adapted to a changing world in a manner that is not preachy and is geared towards a child's level of understanding...they same way it SHOULD be done at home.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 196
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 3:45:06 AM
@bluemoon
And every child is different.A child with a young single mother might get exposed to a whole lot more than a kid with settled down parents eh?I didnt know public schools were preachy about....religion,blue moon?I doubt it.


What you are in effect saying is that the influence of the evil parents should be negated by the state?I seem to recall some east bloc countries attempting this.
 CTRLvector
Joined: 9/21/2014
Msg: 197
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 3:47:59 AM
Calguy, you're a dying breed for good reason. Decency prevails, where bigotry recesses out of succeeding generations.

No construction isn't an alternative to fitness or weight training. So your claims are false. I am fried? You're the one who is fried, you're far from intellectually engaging. Your views aren't dynamic, your arguments are pathetic and invalid for reasons that are self evident.

This is why you're an idiot - the state decides what happens to a child who is exposed to trauma and how/why he/she has to be removed from the custody of the accused guardian who was given the responsibility. There is no educator involved, the educational system has nothing to do with child protective services or the legislation that provides the basis for protocol per state or federal mandate.

If you can't understand me, its ok, you're very obviously ignorant of government/democratic protocol - in how its run and operated. Which is typical of all programs run by state or federal practice, legislation. But that knowledge is im sure foreign to you as well. Basically rules are created by the state or the fed, given a cause and an objective to meet, rules laid out by bureaucratic procedure and weighted in through subject matter expertise in context.

Ultimately its the states right to conclude whether or not same sex couples could be damaging to a child and his/her development throughout childhood. The factors would be popularity in opinion through vote and state legislation would serve to facilitate the process under whatever protocol required by the bill. Notice how no educators are involved at all?

But if you knew anything about childhood development, you would know what emotional/physical trauma does to a young mind, versus what trauma the child could be subject to as a result of a same sex couples being stereotyped as negative or damaging influence - when there is no research data to prove anything substantial to back that claim.

Being stuck as a ward of the state. is traumatic after seeing whatever the child saw his or her parents do. Children need to feel loved, not to feel displaced. It isn't a matter of anything other than a loving home.

But only someone of your ignorant stature would be convinced the opposite. Trust me, I know more about psychology than you, and I know child development stands to sustain damage where it could be stemmed if same sex couples were allowed to adopt.

calguy developing children are not that different. they need specific examples of love and nurture. What they don't need are examples of traumatic argument/abuse that provide the opposite of love. That serve to cause fear. When a better home could be made available, if it weren't for ignorant fools like yourself.

I drafted construction documents for laborers like yourself to screw up. Trust me, you field guys don't do much thinking on your feet. You just have to remember the measure twice cut once rule. And read the plans, that's it.

yeah sorry db im confused lol

Edit: Calguy - You argue what could be developmentally damaging to a child. You argue that it is up to the parent or guardian to dictate. I argue that parents and guardians can be developmentally traumatizing. And in those cases are unfit, and then people like you argue that same sex couples shouldn't be given custody rights as an alternative. For unfounded claims that children would be traumatized by being raised in a same sex household. Though you would still argue that trauma from unfit parents, or being placed and replaced would be less damaging than being raised by capable homosexual or lesbian couples.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 198
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 4:01:52 AM
No Calguy, I didn't mean preachy about religion at all. I meant preachy as in telling kids that this is the "only" way. Preaching to children that being gay is "bad" or "against the will of a god" is just as wrong as preaching to children that being gay is the "only" way. And some children in two parent families get exposed to a lot more than they need to...a mom and dad doesn't mean it's an automatic happy/healthy home.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 199
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 4:05:14 AM
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Very confusedvector.What trauma?A parent teaches a child about boy meets girl is now considered trauma?

@bluemoon
Parents teaching strict religious views,many put them in private schools.Or catholic schools if they hope for more religious instruction,but I still think what the kids perceive amongst their friends will trump this.Anyhoo,this still leaves the explicit sexuality in the curriculum.It reduces relationships,or defines them,through sex....


Continue on with your silly insults vector.The buck stops with me on the site.I've corrected more stupid plans than I will ever remember drawn up by some tard with an auto cad.Same for the surveyors.
 CTRLvector
Joined: 9/21/2014
Msg: 200
Really don't care if gay men are part of the social fabric
Posted: 12/31/2014 6:23:55 AM
Parent teaches a child about boy meets girl how is that considered a problem ? Parents who are same sex couple who teach a child about boy meets girl, or anything more dynamic will be just as successful. It is amazing what becomes of communication. when lies and fabrications for "safety" aren't provided in place of honest education.

I am taking your non-argument, and adding an additional dynamic. Meaning - not all parents/guardians are going to be able to provide a home that is free of trauma. But adults who prove capable, regardless of same sex status, should be given a chance to do right. Having same sex couples raise kids won't change their sexual orientation, if you believe that, then you believe homosexuality is a choice, which it isn't.

The comment is in regard to the validity of saying same sex couples cause upbringing to be traumatic. As opposed to the traumatic events that led to the child becoming a ward of the state in the first place.

So calguy you're confused, because you're a simple person, laborers don't correct anything with regard to planning. The general contractor, building inspector, or project manager of a specific division corrects errors. Or makes modifications to whatever the dimensions should be - per discrepancy as it relates from the Architectural documents to whatever construction document deviated from what would have to be approved dimensions.

Its easy to think you go to a site, after the complicated math is processed. And everything is prefabricated, so you just have to basically snap it together. But I worked on commercial projects, division 8 specialty technician for high impact curtain wall systems. When you're doing the math to get the right cuts from extruded lengths of metal, and you're dealing with a maddening number of various cuts, and detailing elevations where structural connections have to be reengineered from the original architectural design on down--- You get into a lot of complicated business, and a lot of "well figure it out later, we need to submit" which leads to problems.

But unless you spent time as a GC, foreman, or project manager you're not the guy who corrects anything. Because people like that taking initiative is what really screws the job. - An auto cad. AutoCAD is a program, it makes your life easier, believe it or not. Because you couldn't imagine the workload preliminary engineering and designing requires, and what codes and standards have to be met per submittal. Its a little outside your scope of capabilities.
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