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 UKTom2
Joined: 8/24/2010
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I can. I think it clearly proves why I deserved a degree.
 zonked123
Joined: 3/25/2012
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:26:03 PM
Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself. Sure men and woman are going to hint at occupations and interests that define who they are and what they're looking for...but I certainly wouldn't want to assume a position of superiority over people who may not have had the same opportunities.
 UKTom2
Joined: 8/24/2010
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:29:31 PM

Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself

Only if you choose to see it that way. There's a box to fill in on the profile.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 32
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:32:00 PM

You can't remember the name of your University?

Thats... incredible.

You misread his post.

That's amusing.

I haven't got a degree, but I worked with people who mostly did have, for the majority of my working life.
Very few of them impressed me, about as many with degrees, as without.

I think there's something to be said for degrees, they open your mind to ways of thinking and ways of assimilating information.
I think the real danger of them, is 'learning by rote'. Where people come out, all thinking the same way, and reciting from the same books, which they all 'must' read.

I think new technology opens up other new ways of learning, which are perhaps more 'creative'.
Because it facilitates a kind of 'chain of thought' type of learning, which is completely unstructured, and doesn't focus on just one subject, but kind of links them all together.

I think the most creative minds are likely to be those which aren't 'constrained' by the 'disciplines' that many have mentioned, as an advantage, but neither are they stuck in the 'intellectual ruts', which many appear to be.

Thinking is great, but what we really need, is NEW thinking.

 UKTom2
Joined: 8/24/2010
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:35:00 PM
Just like good ideas can stand on their own merit then good people don't have to keep telling you how good they are.

I dislike annoying graduates as much as anyone else, but I spent 4 years working for my degree and feel that I earnt/ It wasn't spoon feeding either. It was self managed learning. I even went a bit grey during my last year.
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
Joined: 10/23/2008
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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:31:39 AM
What is a Geoff from South Bank Poly worth compared to a Desmond from one of the Russel Group?

You can probably buy a degree from Borough Market these days!
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:36:03 AM

I say scrap the education section on profiles and make every member take a simplified IQ test

Nice idea..... But the forums would be empty!...

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 47
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Posted: 5/9/2012 6:43:01 AM

To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception. To create false statements for the purpose of emotional protection is to reject analytical thinking. To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable is the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.
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Dude, you can't just string a bunch of meaningless, slightly-longer-than-average words together, in some risible attempt to look clever, and then expect those of us, who do know our arses from our elbows, and understand the language, to keep schtum.

To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception.

Think about it. The exact opposite is true. Are you saying that all those without "asymmetrical haircuts", are "rejecting logic"...?
It's Absolute drivel!

To create false statements for the purpose of emotional protection is to reject analytical thinking.

(My bold)
I'll translate: You mean:"To HAVE to lie, to cover your arse".
Well, if you've put yourself in that position, in the first place, then clearly, there wasn't very much "analytical thinking", going on, in the first place.
Where are you getting this sh1t..>?
It's comedy gold!

To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable is the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.

Now you're just rambling!
To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable
WTF does that even mean?
Who does that..?
How can you "massage the statistics of a non-variable"...?
How can something "non-factual" even have a statistic..?
It doesn't make any sense at all.


the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.

I think you're speaking entirely from personal experience there.

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:06:38 AM
Whoosh, think that pilot had an asymmetrical haircut too.

Well, why not try and explain.
You claimed that:


To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception.

Explain how that's true. I'm all ears.


Again, what has lieing and covering your arse got to do with analytical thinking, again I think you've misunderstood. How can I debate something with you if you don't understand the debate. It's like trying to teach a labour voter about economics, a lost course for want of a better word.


The "better word" would be "cause". And you ARE a lost one.

But I get it, you've been a day trader for "ten years", now..
Gotcha!

There's no need for people to start getting ratty here.



There are many aspects of society where statistics have been massaged for the purpose of equality. There are many institutions that have abused the equality act and there are many individuals who have been unfairly treated in the name of equality.

Ah. I see. You're against "equality". Fine.
Now explain WTF that's got to do with degrees, and why you wrote it...?


There are plenty of statistics that utilise non-factual data, as a free thinker and a sceptic it's my perogative to call them out.

Yeah, that's right, you're a "free thinker" who "doesn't ignore trends".......

You're a comedy genius, you're wasted here.

 badge73
Joined: 1/17/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:41:00 AM

Why do people need to inflate their qualifications?


because they long to impress for the sake of their own egos ...

can remember working in a major store head office doing temping, when in the canteen they were all talking about degrees etc and finally asked me what mine was? i replied i would of loved to of gone to university but something called the gulf war came along .... for some reason the conversation stopped lol

i regular chat to chaps who done the time served apprenticeships which took almost 5 years and they just look at those coming out of university and shake their heads, explaining because they have a piece of paper it doesnt mean they can do the job.
 soverncomfort
Joined: 11/29/2011
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Posted: 5/11/2012 3:40:22 PM
this made me smile .....I've got a degree but I put 'some college' because rightly or wongly some people are intimidated by qualifications so I didn't admit to it (the only lie on my profile I should add lol). Personally I dont think it matters too much about qualifications.

The most important educatonal establishment is the University of Life. No O'levels or a masters, it matters not in terms of what sort of person you or I might be.
 ir82
Joined: 1/17/2010
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:30:02 PM
For me going to university was a major part of my life so my degree is important to me and has given me options I would not have already had. Personally though I am not bothered if a woman has a degree or not. I do think been educated to at least A level (Level 3) is important though.

Education is not really that important to me (I do have several qualifications) but I didn't bother with a masters or anything like that. I suppose I am just very open minded about the entire thing really.
 bootielicious
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Posted: 7/7/2012 7:31:03 PM
I didn't get a distinction, just a bog standard 2:2, but having left school with 2 GCSE's and suffered a brain virus 7 years earlier, I worked so hard to retain that information. I also went through a divorce and looked after my son while working 2 jobs and never once faultered or thought about giving up, because I thought it was the key to my future and employment. That is where I went wrong sadly.

I really enjoyed taking the degree and would love to take another one, but of course that would be a luxury and would do nothing to enhance my chances of getting good work.

I have it on my profile, because I have it. Not to boast or because I think I'm a better person, as I don't, but it is a fact and a valid part of my past.

I don't understand why it is not thought of as information only, why should it be viewed as negative or postive?
 DAFT_DOG
Joined: 4/23/2011
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Posted: 7/8/2012 12:36:22 PM
Any sort of award for education/training, IE, phd,degrees etc etc, mean very little to me when i`m looking at profiles, to me, their personal achievement things,

However,having said that, they do denote ( to me ) not intelligence, rather, the ability to USE their intelligence ( there`s quite a difference between the two ) :O)

I have nothing of the sort, all that means is that i cant prove that i`m not just a caveman hahaha....pffft who needs them anyway !.. (goes back to building his time machine )
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 66
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:22:05 PM
I appreciate the value of a degree..depending on what the person is doing with it and what the degree is in.

Just having a degree means fvck all. --- Lusipher


Is that right, then? Means "fvck all"?

If I have a Masters degree in medieval English poetry, for example, it means nothing. Is that right? It has to pass your approval first? And then you utter your obscenities, and a yay or nay, as the case may be.

Ah well, at least we know the score.

Blessings to everyone.
- Peter
 scareymush
Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 68
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:19:43 PM
Education should be a lifelong thing, whilst pursuing degrees might be your thing, whether for you own enjoyment or to get that career you've always wanted...I don't think having a degree or a masters tells the complete story of you as an individual - yes you've proved to yourself and others a certain commitment to seeing through projects to the end..well done..but for most people who've studied for degrees it's well known that they're not exactly un-easy to gain

Formal education doesn't strike me as being any better than someone who consistently educates themselves, pursuing knowledge at their own pace and to their convenience.

The desire to learn is what's most important.
 TheRe-SownRose
Joined: 2/3/2013
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:47:23 AM
Some people miss the point of higher education, and I've said it in other threads that it is something that is important to me.
Without those that go on to do PhD's and research, there would be few medical, scientific or engineering advances in this country. Obviously one of the reasons I'm advocating it is because it is my plan to do a doctorate when I graduate, not for the title but because I want to make a positive difference in peoples lives.

As for you essexbob, if you ever worked in a hospital and saw how hard most (not all I admit) work, you wouldn't believe everything you read in the daily mail.
 feyfaith
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:04:10 AM
A degree shows that someone can sustain a level of committment towards their chosen goal. That's something I respect and admire in a person. It's just one potential indicator of this personal quality. However there are so many other ways of demonstrating this desirable (for me anyway!) personality trait, that it doesn't carry much weight tbh.

A profile is just a set of tick boxes, often the free text part of the profile gives me a much clearer initial indication of whether an individual is likely to possess the qualities that appeal to me. I'm none too keen on the checklist approach to dating, probably why I'm not much cop at this internet dating malarkey.
 Strider886
Joined: 3/28/2006
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:28:45 AM

A degree shows that someone can sustain a level of committment towards their chosen goal. That's something I respect and admire in a person


That's your opinion....

But I suspect the majority of students would do a degree in tiddlywinks if it meant they could extend childhood for 6 years, socialise, go out drinking, steal traffic cones and decorate pavements on the way "home".

I also have no "instant respect" when I see those qualifications, i've worked with enough degree qualified idiots in my time to know better. They we're immature, clueless, ignorant, arrogant and had no common sense at all.

"Academics" and "intelligence", there's a reason why we have two entirely different words for what some people assume to be the same thing.
 TheRe-SownRose
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:56:04 AM

I also have no "instant respect" when I see those qualifications, i've worked with enough degree qualified idiots in my time to know better. They we're immature, clueless, ignorant, arrogant and had no common sense at all.


Why on Earth would you imagine that having a degree would make anyone immune to any of these things? That is naive to say the least as is your stereotypical view of student life.
I'll reiterate, we need people in higher education else we will be importing even more of our Dr's/consultants, allied health professionals, teachers, researchers, scientists and engineers etc.
 Chipsss
Joined: 5/21/2008
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:00:45 PM


Ii've worked with enough degree qualified idiots in my time to know better. They we're immature, clueless, ignorant, arrogant and had no common sense at all.


That's one of the problems with the NHS management, they may not know that the median nerve is bundled together in a relatively small cavity in the wrist, that all drugs are metabolized by cyp450's, that patients treatment period will differ dependant on different patients, or that someone in the field can only see so many patients in a certain area in a certain amount of time with a certain amount of paperwork to provide effective treatment.

...but none of those small facts matter when we are talking about targets, structural re-organization (regular), tick boxes and other stuff to justify your own existence, and hospital food still looks and tastes like ****.
 Strider886
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Posted: 2/19/2013 3:32:35 AM
My comments are not an attack on all students, they are an attack on the ones that go into further education for entirely the wrong reasons......
In my experience those dedicated to furthering themselves, will also attack the time wasters. So in reality who is offended?
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
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Posted: 2/19/2013 11:37:12 AM
Repeated post.
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