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 SSC-SAF
Joined: 5/20/2012
Msg: 268
50 Shades of GreyPage 7 of 17    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17)
Oh, and P.S. - Thank you, verygreeneyez, for your excellent post above.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 271
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/30/2012 8:51:22 AM

I'd take a Christian Grey any day at this point in my life ...


I like what one poster wrote.


Christian Grey is a self-made BILLIONAIRE, fluent in french, concert pianist, fully trained pilot, athletic, tall, perfect body, best lover on the planet, uses his billions to combat world hunger, and somehow has infinite time to have sex, text and email. Let's not forget that he has accomplished all of this at the age of 26.


So why wouldn't you want him?

Actually, reminds me of the Doc Savage adventure books written for young boys, he is the perfect man with the right mix of being naughty.

It doesn't seem likey he would give up the life to get married and become vanilla, which is what I guess happens in the last book.

It seems like the cub scout version of BDSM. Or like another said, Harlequin romance, which doesn't appeal to most men.

But it's interesting to see others reactions to the book, a friend on mine's mother is about 75, she said she wouldn't mind being tied up, I never knew that about her.
 Love.Notes
Joined: 7/27/2012
Msg: 272
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/30/2012 9:58:31 AM
Book Two...There is only so many ways to describe sex without it becoming repetitive. Starting to get bit bored. She has added a little more excitement to the plot, but description is the same over and over again. Different room and atmosphere but still the same style every time.

He has a lot of "issues" to deal with. Jealousy, Mood Swings, Sex Maniac. Isn't that always the case! Mr. Romance has all these issue and yet still the perfect man for her? So what keeps her tied to him if it's not his money as they so claim.
 bijinfinder
Joined: 6/14/2009
Msg: 273
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50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/30/2012 7:01:20 PM
Thanks Greeneyes for the enlightenment. lol Like I say this is all new to me. I have heard of it, seen it in pron, but never understood it or examined it. Now I am reading a book that includes this type of activity. Yes I am an abuse survivor, so I probably do take a dim view of anything that relates to abuse. And it is possible to overcome childhood abuse. I don't think I have ever endured sever abuse, I do find anything remotely close to it distasteful.

In the book she makes statements like, I wonder what he is going to do to me. There were times when I wondered what type of punishment I was going to endure. Abuse is all about power and control. Anyway sorry to be such a bore. I thought I was pretty open minded until I started reading this book.
 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 278
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/31/2012 10:09:49 AM
I just finished it and took it back to the library.

The sexual escapades I could have done without,
but it does interest me (according the the author) what happened to him prior to his "crack whore of a mother" dying when he turned 5.

I would pick up the next book to get more info.
But does the library have it?
'Cause I'm not going to pay for it.

The second book states ... 50 shades darker
So it must get more into why he's so fvcked up.

As for the OP question of ...


Can a normal sexual relationship ever happen after reading this book?


Of course it can, providing you realize that the stuff that happened (according to the author) in that book shows a very unsettled character with a sh1t load of mental issues.



I know ive been single for over a year now, but damn I need a Christian Grey in my life! :0)

As for that comment ... really????

What world of fantasy are you living in?
 Twitch369
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 279
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/31/2012 11:31:39 AM

As for that comment ... really????

What world of fantasy are you living in?

My main guess as to why women want a "christian grey" is the money. The man himself is not appealing without the money. Look at the character himself. He doesn't like to be touched, looked in the eyes, or treat anybody (especially his sexual conquests) as equals... as the contract stipulates, he sees them as his property. He's completely psycho too. I mean he stalks this girl, gets insanely jealous when she talks to ANY guy, but gets pissed off at her when she gets jealous of him talking to one of his exes. When she says she doesn't want to be with him, he rushes over and seduces her to get his way, and usually when trying to get something from her, he buys her some extravagant gift (books worth over $10,000, state of the art computer, a new car, etc.). Then when I look at the sex scenes... I don't see him as being a good lover at all. I see Ana as being incredibly easy to satisfy... and my god, his dirty talk is just laughable.

Without the money no woman would ever want this guy.
 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 281
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/31/2012 6:04:39 PM
Ahhhh Sully ... so you read the book eh?

I found Ana to be naive.
Remember this is her first sexual relationship and she has nothing to compare it too.
Nothing like starting your very first love affair with a toxic individual.

As for it being the money ... I don't think that's the answer.
Although a lot of women have done some strange things for money.

I think in the book (according to the author) she's fallen in love with him.
Maybe she is looking to fix what his issues are.
The makings of a true co-dependent.

I think the OP is living in a fantasy world.
She either enjoys the love scene's (as some women are really into harlequin romance)
Or there is a bit of Dom/Sub within her.
 Twitch369
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 282
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/31/2012 6:22:37 PM
I don't mean Ana is with him for the money... I mean that the women who want a Christian Grey in their lives want one for the money. The man has absolutely no redeeming qualities in his personality... at all. As for Ana wanting to be with him, that I chalk up to his looks and the fact that other women want him so bad... you'll notice several times in the books that she states "and he wants ME". It's all about feeling special because he could have anyone (based on his money and looks), but chooses this girl with poor self esteem. And I've only read the first book so far.

I did find the book quite insulting though. I have a few kinks and the book made it out to seem like "no sane person would do that", or you had to have some seriously f'ed up childhood to be into. It was very judgemental.
 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 283
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 8/31/2012 8:22:11 PM
You mean like the OP?
Naw ... I think she likes the harlequin romance parts.
Quite a few women are into that.
One guy started a thread that his girlfriend felt he was not literate enough and she wanted him to start with 50 Shades.
Right then you knew she wanted him to do her like Christian was constantly doing Ana.
It wasn't about the money ... it was about the doing. lol

As for the kinks ... I'm finding that there are a fair amount of individuals who enjoy them.
Each to a varying degree.
My daughter is into BDSM.
She tries to talk to me about it, but it just isn't my thing.
Would I say she's into BDSM due to her upbringing?
Maybe ... I don't know.
Not really prepared to have that discussion with her.
I'm glad she's found a wonderful young man (from here) who caters to that type of lovemaking.

As for the varying degree
I've been tied up before, and there is a certain amount of excitement to it.
I wouldn't call that kink tho.

So why would you find the book insulting?
I wouldn't call it that.
I also wouldn't call it judgmental.
It seems like you yourself are questioning something.
 Twitch369
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 284
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/1/2012 5:11:56 AM

So why would you find the book insulting?

Allow me to quote a passage from the book,

Of course – they all look very sensible, and frankly, necessary… any sane person wouldn’t want to be involved in this sort of thing surely? Though I now feel a little queasy.

Furthermore, the author tends to infer that the only reason Christian is into what he is into is because of his childhood. This suggests that his sexual behavior is in some way deviant. That's what I found insulting.

Now to touch base on this:

Right then you knew she wanted him to do her like Christian was constantly doing Ana.

Christian doesn't seem to be a good lover to me at all. The sex scenes are rather sad in that aspect. I don't understand why a woman would want her man to "do her like christian", as it doesn't seem all that impressive. As I stated in my previous posts, I don't think Christian is a good lover, just that Ana is remarkably easy to please.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 288
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/1/2012 1:50:43 PM


My daughter is into BDSM. She tries to talk to me about it, but it just isn't my thing.

Ok that's just wrong on so many levels! If my daughter tried to talk to me about that I would tape her mouth shut!

Wow! That's one of the sadder comments I've personally ever read in here. To each their own, but isn't it smart, as a parent, to accept/love your children no matter what their personal preferences may or may not be? (And yeah, when I came out of the submissive-closet, I told my mom. She didn't need details of my endeavors, but we did discuss my preferences nonetheless. I all of a sudden feel the urge to hug my Mom.)

Perfect! So then when she has Q's about anything sexual, she'll seek out better credible info from her peers and bf's/gf's that are so wise in their sexual experiences??... This is exactly why parents should not shut down anything kids ask..Would you not rather have them trust you and have confidence in your answers and know that they will come to you as a reliable source?...Our kids have asked us sexually related Q's that would make your head shake since the age of 8.. and if you are not straight with them (as in don't lie, or give a bias opinion) then they will know they can't confide in you and go elsewhere.

Cheers!

 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 290
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/1/2012 2:54:27 PM
Sully ...


Furthermore, the author tends to infer that the only reason Christian is into what he is into is because of his childhood. This suggests that his sexual behavior is in some way deviant. That's what I found insulting.


Agreed.
She is writing the book to point out his childhood issues.
I believe that is how she'll keep the anticipation going.
I was able to obtain the second book at the library today, so I'll provide more input after I read it.


Right then you knew she wanted him to do her like Christian was constantly doing Ana.


Christian doesn't seem to be a good lover to me at all. The sex scenes are rather sad in that aspect. I don't understand why a woman would want her man to "do her like christian", as it doesn't seem all that impressive. As I stated in my previous posts, I don't think Christian is a good lover, just that Ana is remarkably easy to please.


You are also correct.
This is the characters (Ana's) first sexual experience.
And as the character states ... she has no other experience to draw upon.
A lot of it is far fetched.
As even her deflowering was loopy.
How can anyone really enjoy their first sexual experience if they are a so-called virgin.

Keep in mind Sully ... It's a book.
Someones ideas on paper.
Definitely not real life


Perfect! So then when she has Q's about anything sexual, she'll seek out better credible info from her peers and bf's/gf's that are so wise in their sexual experiences??... This is exactly why parents should not shut down anything kids ask..Would you not rather have them trust you and have confidence in your answers and know that they will come to you as a reliable source?...Our kids have asked us sexually related Q's that would make your head shake since the age of 8.. and if you are not straight with them (as in don't lie, or give a bias opinion) then they will know they can't confide in you and go elsewhere.


My daughter is 29.
So talking to me about BDSM, is going right over my head.
I have no interest in it, and don't want to know what she does or what she's hanging from.
She is an adult.
She has her group of friends that partake in it, so she is better to discuss these things with them then with me.

As for discussing sex with my kids, the door was/is always open for discussions.
My son (who is 21) and I are very open with sexual questions, and even his friends are found in my kitchen discussing their issues.
I'm just thankful he isn't asking me any BDSM questions, or I would have to point him to his sister. lol
 SSC-SAF
Joined: 5/20/2012
Msg: 292
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/2/2012 8:14:47 AM
Last night after seeing that this thread was still going, I had a revelation about this book series. I think she wrote it as a parody!

par·o·dy [par-uh-dee]
1.a humorous or satirical imitation of a serious piece of literature or writing
2. the genre of literary composition represented by such imitations.
3. a burlesque imitation of a musical composition.
4. any humorous, satirical, or burlesque imitation, as of a person, event, etc.
5. the use in the 16th century of borrowed material in a musical setting of the Mass (parody Mass).

verb (used with object)
7. to imitate (a composition, author, etc.) for purposes of ridicule or satire.
8. to imitate poorly or feebly; travesty.


Here's why I think it's a parody:
- It's a known fanfic of Twilight - which just begs to be spoofed
- The writing sucks (maybe on purpose as part of the spoof - see #7 and #8 above)
- The "hero" is every Harlequin romance cliche rolled into one - he's young, blindingly handsome, richer than God, hugely endowed, emotionally messed up thus "needing a good woman" to save him from his past demons, yada yada
- The "heroine" is distressingly virginal, pretty, naive, trusting (and frankly annoying as hell) and "needs a man" to awaken her sexuality, yada yada

I think the author looked at the big gap in the market for something a little different than the usual vanilla, so-called "mommy porn" and decided to exploit it - and thus fulfilled the Great Marketing Commandment Number One, "Find a need and fill it."

Now, I get it!
 SSC-SAF
Joined: 5/20/2012
Msg: 294
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/2/2012 11:51:15 AM

feminists like this book because the girl in the book is a geek without an ego. if it was a hot sexual girl the feminists would be mad. but the feminists are like ana. they wants to let lose but cannot so they find fault with those who do.

This makes no sense at all. I am a feminist, love to "let loose" and don't like this book. From what "facts" are you deriving your theory?
 SSC-SAF
Joined: 5/20/2012
Msg: 296
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/2/2012 12:34:39 PM
I love porn. I hate the book because it's poorly written and a bunch of BS about BDSM. (Read my prior posts in the thread.)

You're just generalizing on something you obviously don't know much about, which is feminism. And you're making yourself look ignorant by doing so. But go ahead...dig your hole a little deeper!
 15111958
Joined: 12/6/2011
Msg: 297
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/2/2012 12:56:08 PM

feminists like this book because the girl in the book is a geek without an ego. if it was a hot sexual girl the feminists would be mad. but the feminists are like ana. they wants to let lose but cannot so they find fault with those who do.

christian is a man who has been be played by women. so now he must find a women to dominate and keep control of because he couldnt before.

she likes christian because he has money and is rich and that intrigues her. money becomes boring after a while if the guy is not a guy who would be worthy or fun without his money.

men today dont realize you cannot keep or even get a women with a crutch (money, car, strong arming and begging) so that is why so many rich guys are also divorced and so many men want money, sports cars and to be noticed. if you want a good relationship dont show your assests until after a women loves you.


what a bunch of BS. I don't think you have any idea of what a feminist is.



I never show my assets until after woman loves me. Unless she asks for pictures upfront. LOL
 SSC-SAF
Joined: 5/20/2012
Msg: 300
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/2/2012 2:43:29 PM

you are clueless. feminist are for those who cannot already get it. you dont see jessica simpson, snookie or other caring because they already get it.


Riiiight.

Well, after all, Jessica Simpson and Snooki ARE such excellent role models, which somehow renders the rest of us "clueless". I just don't know how I've managed to survive all these years without them to look up to as shining examples of womanhood.

~checking~

Yep, that hole you've dug is about six feet deep by now. Nice job.
 aussiesealady
Joined: 11/10/2011
Msg: 303
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/4/2012 2:13:16 AM
I enjoyed all 3 books.
They are a light, easy and entertaining read. They are not porn.
I agree with the genre definition of romantic erotica.

It is all fiction and any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.
A fantasy, and should be regarded as such.

As with all books, movies etc different people get different things out of it.

I saw Christian Grey as a very complex, lost little boy charachter. Who just happens to be brilliant at everything he does, except chopping vegies or having a proper grown up relationship and drop dead gorgeous. Sort of a cross between James Bond and the Lost Boys from Peter Pan.

I found the OTT wealth OTT and not necessary.

Ana Steele is a little bland for me. Yet she is strong enough to stand up for herself well and truly.
She tames the beast in a way.

For me the book is about compromise, the difference between sex and love and that mind blowing sex is even better with an emotional connection.

And true love can conquer all obstacles. All say Ahhhhhh. lol

The erotica is absolutely for the pleasure of the woman.
About time!!!!

I think a few men should read it to realise that women enjoy pleasure.
And that she may appreciate a little assistance.

I particularly liked one erotic scene where he had his pleasure, she frowned at him as she had not yet.
(Normally in this book the lady comes first, at least twice)
He realised he had been remiss and rectified the situation.

I did not like the pain and BDSM parts - personal preference.
Interesting that the pain and dom / sub was shown as being possibly necessary due to not yet being a proper grown up and being mentally in need of lots of ongoing psych treatment.

The eroticism of mind blowing pleasure - absolutely.
Hopefully the beginning of a whole new genre of female centric erotic romance.

Bring it on.

Book review complete.

P.s. I find it interesting that the people who are most anti this book have not read it.
It is just 3 books that are making a lot of money.
A rollicking read that is hard to put down.


pps Just read a few more prior comments.

Yes book 2 and 3 answer the questions as to why he is so f***** up.
And he is cured by love. Again all say Ahhhhhhhhhhh.
 Twitch369
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 305
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/4/2012 6:06:36 AM

P.s. I find it interesting that the people who are most anti this book have not read it.

All of the negative reviews I've encountered (check out amazon, they are funny), were by people who read the books. Not sure where this comment comes from. Fact is the writing is worse than the twilight series (which is literary garbage).

Yes book 2 and 3 answer the questions as to why he is so f***** up.

Here's where I have a big problem with the author and the books. The reason he's into all this BDSM stuff is because he's f***** up. That is incredibly insulting to anybody who is into BDSM. You don't need to be f***** up to be into that stuff.

I think a few men should read it to realise that women enjoy pleasure.

Pretty sure men do realize this... if you think they don't, then you've got a problem picking decent men

Interesting that the pain and dom / sub was shown as being possibly necessary due to not yet being a proper grown up and being mentally in need of lots of ongoing psych treatment.

Not interesting, insulting.

I saw Christian Grey as a very complex, lost little boy charachter.

Actually, he was quite a simple lost little boy character. He had everything except he didn't know how to respect people, most notably in this book, women.

The characters in this book are Mary Sues. There is nothing complex about them, and it boggles my mind why any woman would want a Christian Grey in their life (aside from the money of course).
 nyjoey27foru
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 306
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/5/2012 2:09:28 PM
id love to be im into 3 somes and couple swapping ..i need a girl whos ok with that
 Twitch369
Joined: 1/17/2012
Msg: 308
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/5/2012 4:22:55 PM

Lmao I love how every person who bad mouths this book I am pretty sute isnt a new york times best selling author.

You don't need to be an artist to appreciate or dislike a piece of art, just like you don't need to be an author to appreciate or dislike a literary work.

People read far too much into things and expect perfection just like dating.

People who pay money to read a book expect a certain quality. It doesn't help that the book has gotten so much publicity and then let so many people down. Everyone who paid money for this book and disliked it have a very valid reason to be upset at the poor quality.
 bijinfinder
Joined: 6/14/2009
Msg: 311
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50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/7/2012 11:05:03 AM
I am going to refer to Thomas Kinkade, many artists consider him a second rate artist with average talent. The fact is that he has sold lots of paintings and is very famous.

Many people enjoy 50 Shades of Grey, some enjoy hating it. I find it an interesting twist on sex and romance. Not a life choice for me, but it is educational. It has made for some interesting discussions at the social groups that I attend.
 Blueeyes0988
Joined: 7/31/2012
Msg: 312
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/7/2012 1:18:17 PM
I have read all three. They were great and I had a Christian Gray that I dated. But know it is hard finding someone to replace him.......
 Sharon1256
Joined: 2/23/2012
Msg: 313
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/8/2012 12:29:19 PM
I have read all 3 of them. I read each one in one night, lol. The problem is I think I found a Mr. Grey in my life on this site and I am not sure I'm ready to say Yes Sir
 SlaveDriver8
Joined: 2/29/2012
Msg: 314
50 Shades of Grey
Posted: 9/8/2012 12:56:05 PM
I read as much of this book as I could stand. Now I'm going to go pick up the parody.


50 Shames of Earl Gray

I hear it's pretty funny.
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