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 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 147
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Empowering the poor with ethics by not dishing out free lifetime welfare leads to responsible behavior leading to education, the route home.

That is like feeding people with rainbows and love, sure it sounds good but in all practical sens it does not work.


Austerity has never worked
It's not just about the current economic environment. History shows that slashing budgets always leads to recession
Ha-Joon Chang
guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 June 2012 22.14 BST


Last week saw a string of bad economic news reports. The eurozone leaders seem unwilling or unable to change from their austerity policies, even as Greece and Spain fall apart and the core eurozone economies contract. Britain watches on as its economy is heading for the third consecutive quarter of contraction, with an unexpectedly sharp fall in manufacturing. Last week's jobs figures confirmed that the US recovery is stuttering. The largest developing economies that have so far provided some support for world demand levels – especially India and Brazil but even China – are slowing down too. Four years after the financial crisis began, many rich capitalist economies have not recovered their pre-crisis output levels.

Even more serious is the unemployment problem. The International Labour Organisation estimates there are 60 million fewer people employed worldwide than if the pre-crisis trend had continued. In countries like Spain and Greece, overall jobless rates are approaching 25%, with youth unemployment over 50%. Even in countries experiencing "milder" unemployment problems, like the US and the UK, between 8% and 10% are out of work. If we include those who have given up looking for jobs or those who are forced to work part-time for want of fulltime opportunities, "real" unemployment could be easily over 15% even in these countries.

Read more at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/04/austerity-policy-eurozone-crisis




Step 1: Blame the Poor People.

Step 2: Cut back on spending with regards to the poor people.

Step 3: Watch economy fail.

Step 4: Go to step 1.


"How to win a political war"

by The GOP

if you can not beat them at the polls make sure you make things look as bad as possible and do not forget to keep mentioning it, so eventually some people believe it.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 148
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 4:08:56 PM
It is not right by any means, morally it is quite abhorrent, but what is the alternative?

Let the innocent children starve & go without?

Maybe have him do some community service type work to help offset the costs would be effective.
I dont know.......it is a terrible situation, but those kids can not be tossed aside. They need help. Why their Mothers had kids with this man is beyond me, but that is not the kids fault.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
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Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 4:25:52 PM

At this same time the familia rules were changed, single with no children were no longer allowed assistance & the age for assistance was lowered from 18 to16 with children. I’m thinking that is when we really saw a drastic change in the age girls became pregnant. We basically told them the gov’t will pay you to have babies.


That's a stretch. I doubt a fraction of a fraction of young women have babies because the government is going to support them. They have babies because guys and gals 'do it'...have always done it and will always do it. In the past those 17 year old girls who got pregnant got married...today they don't. Women are having babies on average 'later' in age and not earlier.
A 17 year old single mother in Sweden, Canada, Norway, etc. are going to have a better quality of life provided by the state than a single mother in the USA....yet the USA has HIGER, not lower rates of teen pregnancy. The issue in th USA is generational....no willingness to break the cycle. ...half-assed health care and half-assed education.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 150
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 4:34:12 PM

A 17 year old single mother in Sweden, Canada, Norway, etc. are going to have a better quality of life provided by the state than a single mother in the USA....yet the USA has HIGER, not lower rates of teen pregnancy. The issue in th USA is generational....no willingness to break the cycle. ...half-assed health care and half-assed education.

Funny how they tend to not look at how well other countries do and keep blaming the poor people for taking advantage of the system and all they want to do is make it worse by fighting over early sex education and free access to abortions.


They want to stand on a moral high ground so they do not get any blood on their feet.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 151
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 5:02:21 PM

Believe what you want, but I'm the one that has been there, seen that. I have 30 plus years as an auditor & undercover investigator for gov't assisted programs.

If you where an investigator then that is all you saw, unless you investigated every single person on welfare, therefore your view point is not one of an unbiased outsider.




...Better yet spend an afternoon in a welfare office or low income housing office & listen to them talk. They actually do encourage each other to have more babies so they will get more monies.

Hyperbole.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 152
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 5:13:46 PM

...But the money is gone now and it's time to pay the piper.

It is not gone it was just shifted away in the form of tax breaks for the wealthy.

Have you not been paying attention as to what has been happening the past 30 years with regards to tax levels?
 lotustemple
Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 153
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 6:09:23 PM
We don't have the same mindset as some of them. When you are in a household where school has absolutely no priority & no one to encourage you to get educated you do what you can to survive. You do just like your uneducated mother does, you have babies. Having babies is a way to survive. Unless you have been there it is extremely hard to believe.


Hard to believe? Everyone knows the welfare system is a catastrophic mess encouraging teen-age girls to reproduce. As a child I saw what was coming. The educated were slowing down to approx. 2 kids per family whilst welfare recipients were on the bonus plan losing count, a matter of simple mathematics. Family structures disintegrate with baby mama/who's daddy dramas.

Cut them off.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 154
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/5/2012 6:46:28 PM

Hard to believe? Everyone knows the welfare system is a catastrophic mess encouraging teen-age girls to reproduce. As a child I saw what was coming. The educated were slowing down to approx. 2 kids per family whilst welfare recipients were on the bonus plan losing count, a matter of simple mathematics. Family structures disintegrate with baby mama/who's daddy dramas.

So then how do you explain countries where they spend even more money on social programs doing much better with regards to teen pregnancy rates?

I know, it is because you next to nothing for a social program.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
Msg: 155
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 3:31:36 AM

The availability of welfare plays an important role in influencing a woman's decision to have a child out of wedlock.


No - the lack of sexual education and the attitudes towards teenage sex in the States is the biggest reason why so many teenagers are becoming parents who, due to their age, are more likely to be lacking in the education needed to leave the welfare system. Parents who are in their teens do not have the income level, work experience or education that a new parent aged 26 and above would have and limited opportunity to change that situation. Therefore, by definition, they are dependent of the Welfare system in order to cover their basic needs. Once in receipt of that assistance, it is very difficult for them to position themselves so it is not required by them in the future.

Most Westernized countries have a welfare system and yet despite a drop in teen pregnancies over the last few decades, the decrease in numbers for the States is not as significant as elsewhere. One of the biggest factors contributing to that is attitudes towards educating our youth with regards sexual health.

The teen pregnancy rate in the States, is almost double that in Canada and Great Britain and approx. 4 times more then France and Sweden. Despite teen birthrates dropping in all these counties over the last three decades, they have dropped less steeply in the States than in other developed countries. Studies have shown that the age that teenager in each of these counties initiate sex to be compatible and so why do more American youth end up pregnant ?

In the UK, Canada, Sweden and France, more emphasis is places on protection from pregnancy and sexual disease and the mind set is significantly different. These countries are more accepting that teenagers will engage in sex but place a higher importance of that belonging within a relationship where each person is responsible for the sexual health of their partner and the prevention of pregnancy.

From a study conducted by The Alan Guttmacher Institute which compared the above mentioned countries - AGI's methodology follows the consensus of a group that was convened by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development to examine measurement issues regarding teen sexual activity and contraceptive use, which included researchers from AGI, the National Center for Health Statistics, The Urban Institute, Child Trends and the National Campaign to Prevent Teenage Pregnancy.


Lessons Learned
The AGI study also provides valuable insights into the reasons pregnancy and birth among teenagers are so much less common in other developed countries.
Childbearing regarded as adult behavior. There is a strong consensus in the European study countries as well as Canada that childbearing belongs in adulthood, generally considered to be when young people have completed their education, have become employed and independent from their parents and are living in stable relationships. The study concludes that in the United States, this attitude is much less strong and much more variable across groups and areas of the country.
Clear messages about sexual behavior. While adults in the other countries strongly encourage teens to wait until they have established themselves before having children, they are generally more accepting than American adults of teens having sex. In France and Sweden in particular, teen sexual expression is seen as normal and positive, but there is also widespread expectation that sexual intercourse will take place within committed relationships. (In fact, relationships among U.S. teens tend to be more sporadic and of shorter duration.) Equally strong is the expectation that young people who are having sex will take actions to protect themselves and their partners from pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In keeping with this view, state or public schools in England and Wales, France and Sweden and in most of Canada teach sexuality education and provide comprehensive information about prevention. In addition, the media is used more frequently in government-sponsored campaigns for promoting responsible sexual behavior ("Promoting Contraceptive Use and Choice: France's Approach to Teen Pregnancy and Abortion," TGR, June 2000).
For adults in the United States, on the other hand, the fact that young people are having sex is more often considered to be, per se, the "problem." Because teens are often regarded and portrayed as being incapable of using contraception effectively, having sex is often equated with becoming pregnant and a teen parent; the slogan of one state's current teen pregnancy campaign is "You play, you pay." Moreover, the United States is the only country with formal policies directing state and federal funds toward educational programs that have as their sole purpose the promotion of abstinence. Over one-third (35%) of all local U.S. school districts that have policies on sexuality education require that abstinence be taught as the only appropriate option for unmarried people and that contraception either be presented as ineffective in preventing pregnancy or not be covered at all. Among school districts in the South—where birthrates are significantly higher than the national average—that proportion is 55%.
Access to family planning services. In countries that are more accepting of teenage sexual relationships, teenagers also have easier access to reproductive health services. In Canada, France, Great Britain and Sweden, contraceptive services are integrated into other types of primary care and are available free or at low cost for all teenagers. Generally, teens know where to obtain information and services and receive confidential and nonjudgmental care, the study reports.
In the United States, where attitudes about teenage sexual relationships are more conflicted, teens have a harder time obtaining contraceptive services. Many do not have health insurance or cannot get birth control as part of their basic health care. A high proportion turn to family planning clinics, where the cost of contraception is less and where, under current federal law, confidentiality is guaranteed. (There have been numerous attempts over many years to reverse this policy.) And even the guarantee of confidentiality may be a double-edged sword. It protects teens (research has shown that confidentiality is essential to many teens' willingness to come in for services), but because it is not necessarily the norm in more "mainstream," private-sector care, it may also reinforce the notion that by seeking services, teens are doing something "wrong."
Youth Development. The study found that the other study countries are all committed, although to varying degrees, to the idea of the "welfare state," and several provide considerable assistance to young people across-the-board to ease the transition from adolescence to adulthood. France, Sweden and to some extent Great Britain and Canada seek to help all teens with vocational training and education and help in finding work and unemployment benefits. These supports, say researchers, increase teenagers' ability to plan for the future—and their motivation to delay pregnancy and childbearing.
The U.S. approach, on the other hand, emphasizes individual responsibility for one's own welfare. Education, training and employment are generally up to teens themselves, with the help of their families. In keeping with this tradition, government assistance for teens in the United States is targeted primarily to those who have already dropped out of school or otherwise "slipped through the cracks." These programs may be critical to the well-being and outlook for the future of small numbers of highly vulnerable teens, but they are unlikely to play much of a role, if any, in the reproductive behavior and decisions of U.S. teens generally.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html
 want to travel
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Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 3:42:27 AM
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I love you
but this is bunk
kids today are not having m
'more' sex
kids today, are entitled ,lazy,and think the world revolves around each and every one of them
for gods sake most do not even go outside
parent have become, taxi drivers and bank accounts

we had a lot more sex,had jobs,could not wait to get out on our own
kids, or young adults are taking forever to grow up
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
Msg: 157
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 4:26:14 AM
I didn't say that kids today are having more sex - What I said was that attitudes towards teenage sex vary between countries and those attitudes have a direct connection to the number of unwanted pregnancies which in turn has a direct connection to the number of people needing to apply for Welfare initially.

Welfare systems are absolutely needed. But - if education regarding unwanted pregnancies was available to everyone, if attitudes towards teenage sex where more open and focused on teaching safe sex, and parenthood belonging in adulthood, then the instances of youth pregnancy could be reduced. Once a young parent is in a position of needing Welfare, it is very difficult for them to change their situation.

Sweden, France, the UK and some parts of Canada fully understand that teenagers will experiment with sex. The difference between these countries and the States, is primarily attitude. Sexual education in these places does not end with a brief explanation of the basics of reproduction and a quick pass around of a condom - it has a greater emphasis on sexual health and pregnancy protection and BOTH parties engaging in sex being responsible to protecting themselves and their partner. Coupled with information and accessibility to contraception the per capita numbers of youth pregnancies are lower then in the States.

Self-entitlement views of the youth are not to do with Welfare - It comes from living in an instant gratification world with parents too frightened to allow their children outside and who compensate for not being available during working hours by giving them all of the latest gadgets and technology to keep them home under an illusion of safety and interacting with their friends through technology rather then in person - that's a whole separate conversation.

EDIT - Everyone needs to eat. Everyone needs a roof over their heads. The welfare systems are in place to ensure those who are unable to provide those things for themselves have their basic needs met.

There will always be certain individuals who abuse any system but welfare cannot be removed because it will have a detrimental affect of the many who genuinely need it.

IMO, it needs to be extended so those who are on Welfare have a real opportunity to become self-sufficient. It is incredibly difficult for a young parent to position themselves so that they are able to generate an income for themselves. Beginning to work means a reduction in their Welfare income. For an young parent it often means that with the cost of child care they are worse off by trying to improve their personal situations. Attending school in order to gain a better education also incurs costs - either for the educational courses, for transportation to and from the place of education, for child care etc.

If the instances of claiming welfare are to be reduced effectively, there is no magic solution. A number of things have to happen.

Education regarding pregnancy has to be expanded. Contraception has to be more readily available - especially in the States where the health care system charges the individual making it too expensive for many. Programs which allow people to change their situation without immediate financial loss also need to be in place.

It would be far more cost effective in the long term if Welfare claimants we able to keep their benefits whilst improving their personal situation. And in turn, in time, when they have positioned themselves with support, to be able to earn more then Welfare pays out, they too would be contributing towards the cost of others who need financial assistance.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 158
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 5:43:22 AM

I wish I was more knowledgeable about other countries success with their assistance programs, but I am not.

You do not wish you where, because there is a thing called a library and the internet where you could learn how well their social systems work so there is nothing stopping you than yourself. So please do not make statement saying you would wish you could know, as now you are just sounding like one of those lazy people that just wants stuff handed to them and it too lazy to go get it for themselves.

You would rather just keep spewing hyperbole and presenting your uneducated opinion.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
Msg: 159
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Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:38:01 AM
Part of the issue in the USA is that social and fiscal conservatism has become intertwined. Moral judgement clouds addressing problems at hand.. 'Real' issues get sidetracked into ideological debates.

In Germany or Sweden if 16 year old girls at some particular high school started to get pregnant in larger than average numbers , the response would be 'we need to set up a walk-in clinic on the corner with counselling. providce birth control pills, get condoms out to the boys, etc..'...deal with the problem at hand (regardless of whether the government in power was 'right or left' ).
In the USA, in contrast, some debate would start up about encouraging teens to have sex when the real answer is abstinence. Meanwhile teens will still be doing it and girls getting pregnant. Social problems are left 'to slide' without really tackling them head on. If it was a Latino section of LA then the debate would be sidetracked on to about illegal immigration...again, in the meantime teen girls are getting preganant. If it was a ghetto in Chicago it would sidetrack on to welfare abusers, drug dealers or whatever...again, in the meantime girls are getting pregnant.

The irony with the USA is that no country has a stronger 'can do attitude' when the chips are down. Pearl Harbor, Cold War infrastructure, Race to the moon, 9/11...Yikes, don't mess with Uncle Sam because the American people can unite and push on to their goal like no other people in history. However, when it comes to internal social issues there has developed a built-in inertia where the eye is taken off the problem...no real solutions but rather 'moral outrage' and ideological kicking ther can down the road.
 QueenBeeSweetness
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 160
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 8:14:07 AM
The government stopped paying more money for more babies in 1996, when AFDC changed to TANF.

I was only 16 at that time, & knew about it because it was a topic we were covering in my civics/current events class. Hello, where y'all been?!

Perhaps that was the way it went down decades ago, but it certainly was not the story my generation grew up with. We were told that you better have it together or plan on getting it together real quick if you have children, the government might help out with a tiny little temporary pittance of an allowance if a household crisis occurs, but nothing you could live off of.

Get WITH it, lol. It is a new millenium, things have changed.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
Msg: 161
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 9:50:43 AM
However, in my post I was referring to kids that grew up in the welfare system, your Lessons Learned references children in general, big difference. Again, it’s the mindset of welfare career recipients.


But there will always be kids in the welfare system until there is a means to escape it.

If a young teenager falls pregnant, she might well be entitled to claim welfare but it barely covers the essentials if at all. She has no option but to take the low cost housing where she is surrounded by those in a similar situation. She cannot afford the education to change her circumstances. If she takes a job, chances are with no education and no work experience, her starting point will mean her income is very marginal and her welfare will be reduced by whatever she earns - certainly not enough to cover her basic living essentials, transport to and from her place of employment and child care costs too. In fact her expenses go down whilst her income remains at a comparable or lower level then before accepting a job. The entire system fosters the mind set that she is better off financially remaining on benefits - because she is ! On a day to day basis she needs the income from welfare to survive and without assistance she doesn't have the option of thinking long-term. It's about survival now.

How does she get out of the Welfare system ? Even if she has the mindset to want more for herself and her child, how does she actually achieve that ?

With welfare providing less then cost of living funds, she cannot afford health insurance and her priorities are in feeding herself and her child. So, she is at a higher risk of not having access to contraception. By definition of where she lives, she is interacting with others who can't afford to work because of the reduction of welfare. Chances are high that before long, she will have a second child - and then what ?

She becomes more and more trapped by the poverty she already is in - and those children grow. Over time, these will be the children who grow up in the system.

We all understand that with financial wealth comes opportunities - opportunities which are not available to those who do not have financial independence. Even basic differences like the child not being able to be involved with organized sports have a negative impact because through such activities a child learns about team work and setting personal goal and striving to achieve them. It becomes a cycle with no route out.

It would be far more cost effective over the long term, to invest in sexual education, to provide contraception, to offer ways young adults who do become pregnant to finish their education, to allow welfare to continue when jobs are found until such a time their income levels are above the poverty line, to offer child care so that they are available to work and/or study. Once the systems are in place to help people away from a welfare existence rather then hold them back, many will take the opportunity which they currently do not get and then, in turn, will work and contribute back into the very system they came from.

But it all has to come together.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 162
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 10:01:49 AM

AA how silly of you to resort to personally attacking me. But this is a typical example of why things don’t get done. There is always one or two in the group that when their opinion is not agreed upon they resort to referring to others as ignorant. Oh well, such is life.

You admitted that you no nothing of other countries and how their system operates, and I merely pointed out that you do not know because that is your choice not to educate yourself on such matters, thus meaning you have nothing but a one sided view of the situation and not an informed opinion.

That is not an attack, those are facts that you admitted to, as you said you just do not know.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
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Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 10:39:55 AM
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We all understand that with financial wealth comes opportunities - opportunities which are not available to those who do not have financial independence. Even basic differences like the child not being able to be involved with organized sports have a negative impact because through such activities a child learns about team work and setting personal goal and striving to achieve them. It becomes a cycle with no route out.


That's a good example. I'm not a fan of our current Federal government but when credits to every Canadian child were made so they can participate in organized sports...I gave it a thumbs up. Our own provincial government (a complete different political stripe) decided to match those amounts dollar per dollar. Result...more integration of disadvantaged kids not onl in the same schools, health care,etc. but also in the same sports leagues as kids of wealthier families. Bottom line....break the cycle. Kids will be more productiove to help the next generation.
 want to travel
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Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/6/2012 12:03:18 PM
here in ontario, welfare works out to be $15, for a single mom, add union style benefits
yes they all get great housing,1 dollar a day daycare, whether or not the mums are attending school
school and vocational training is free,also a nice transportation allowence
thats for ONE MUM< AND ONE CHILD, the cost sky rockets with more children
long ago, in most ontario cities, welfare housing was integrated into regulare housing

I know a woman, who, lives in an upscale townhouse
her daughter took off, she moved out, now this women, has lost her car, and is going to have to pay, the $1800, rent
(she was only paying 138)
a a single woman, she will now get less then 600 a month


it could be the city I live in, Windsor, has a very srtong union past,and it may be that that has some strong influence on municipal desissions, sure nobody wants to see people hungry, and out on the street
but times have changed, the average persons buying power has not gone up, since the 70's
10 years ago, a union worker made $17 an hour, today, it is $12


can we afford this????
 lotustemple
Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 165
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/7/2012 6:38:12 PM
So these winnere are doing real good..I must say they have a good racket going for theirselves..


Yep, they got free county housing here too. And car insurance, health insurane, food stamp etc... Lifetime scammers of all ages and both sexes with or without kids. Even I know the magic words on how to fill out the forms to get an immediate free ride, common knowledge.

I totally support welfare for those during a crisis but not to last for more than a year or two. Move in with their family if they can't get it together at that point.
 slybandit
Joined: 7/10/2006
Msg: 166
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/8/2012 9:36:23 AM
O.K., o.k., it's easy to complain, complain, complain, and rant about exceptionally realistic "solutions" like having this guy sterilized or given a sex-change and pimped out as some sort of novelty hooker.

But who is offering REALISTIC solutions here?

This, here, is (at least nominally) a *dating* website. So in theory, at least, 50% (but we really know it's more like 80%) of the people on here are guys who have difficulty getting some.

Yet the guy under discussion here is getting enough to have fathered 30 kids. And you know he did not get there by taking the ladies out on pricey dates, impressing them with his flashy ride or promising them vacations in Bali.

He's on welfare, on what looks to be a permanent basis.

Clearly, this man has GAME. Game that gentlemen of wealth and substance (or at least some form of employment) will pay to learn. Gentlemen, "Hitch" is not just a movie anymore. He's real, available for hire, and no less an authority than the government can attest to his Mad Skills.

It's 30 Kids and Mule Consulting, baby.
 want to travel
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Posted: 6/8/2012 10:02:07 AM
I know,
a friend of mine,( a very good person, and mother,) was a single mother, her daughter, left
she lives in the best part of town
in a beautiful townhouse
she is presently, in very big trouble.....
without the kid and all the money and benifits, that went with having that kid
she has taken her car off the road, now as a single person
she will have to somehow live of a bit less then 6oo a month
i also have a friend
at cis, who tells me all about the abuse most of these children go through!
another friend that investigates welfare fraud
another friend fosters children
so I would have to say I know what I am talking about!
I know perfectly well whats going on with our system
single mothers have not had to pay a dime of tuition, since 97!
in windsor, they built American style housing in the 60's,(now renovated and is geared to income housing for retired people) it turned into a rat trap
since the late 70's, housing has been integrated, so much housing, in every area
they simply stopped building housing in the 80's,and all new housing has to have some housing for single mothers, and new Canadians
 TheManOfTheHouse
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 168
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 6/9/2012 3:44:00 PM
Clearly the state is already supporting his kids, he clearly cannot and never will.

IMO the US welfare system encourages dependency on gov’t handouts & encourages illegitimacy.

In many Sub-Saharan African countries this kind of behavior is normal, that is the baby mama thing however there is no state support of this lifestyle. The real question is how many people are doing the same thing. At some point if more and more people do this it is a mathematical certainty the state will not be able to support this lifestyle.

The question is when will we adjust the incentives, currently we reward this behavior on the state level and it is socially considered acceptable in certain popular media and (rap) music.

Its also understandable why people who do not live like this would be very piss off knowing they have to make sacrifices in there lives to support the baby mama lifestyle.

In some Sub-Saharan and Saharan Africa Islamic law has been the answer to this, that is strictly enforced rules on moral conduct. The adoption of Islamic law is understandable considering the alternative. Compare baby mammas pumping out tons of kids, many that are starving and dieing, living in extreme unhealthy filth, unrestricted depravity and crime verses the stoning to death of a woman caught whoring around. Both are bad which is better?

The man with 30 kids thought the state would help him pay his child support payments. How much fraud and gaming the system went on? You would think at 20 kids someone might have noticed.
 Bentheredunthat
Joined: 1/9/2014
Msg: 169
Man with 30 kids wants state help to pay his child support
Posted: 2/3/2014 8:22:47 AM
Why aren't Republicans running to this good mans aid? Aren't they the ones always whining about how the more productive among us, the harders workers, should be the ones that profit more? Why haven't they at least erected a shrine to this busy little beaver? He clearly disrespects women along Conservative party lines. Why isn't he their poster child??

;-)
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