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 fillyphilly
Joined: 5/12/2012
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Hey Sanx,
Thanks for the explanation of djinn. I was always curious about this aspect in Islam since I know little about it. Very interesting and informative. You'll make a great teacher some day.
Woob what is an "oceanic" experience?
 Sanxioned
Joined: 5/14/2012
Msg: 22
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Posted: 5/29/2012 4:40:12 PM
Thanks Filly, I hope I will too. I told the story of my experience in ridiculous detail to one of my practice teaching classes (grade 7s) and a few later told me they asked their parents to move their bed away from the window, hah! If you want to know more or read about some interesting encounters, visit http://www.jinndemons.com/ Some of the information might be open to vast interpretation, but it's mainly the stories that are interesting! Enjoy!
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 5/30/2012 10:59:33 AM
Filly ~~

Oceanic Experience
oceanicexperience.blogspot.com/
oceanic experience. The experience of being at one with the entire universe and a feeling of meaningful purpose to all existence, often with feelings of ...


Oceanic feeling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling
Oceanic feeling is a psychological term coined by Romain Rolland and popularized by ... This is a feeling that can only be experienced in totality and not without ...

Lorenz ~~ gotcha! I've found that *looking* for them is as destructive as *fighting against* them. None of mine now happen unless I'm meditating.

Might try checking out www.monroeinstitute.org/
 oloroso
Joined: 2/16/2011
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Posted: 5/30/2012 7:26:30 PM
Aristotle,
I recently saw a film about DMT. Even from a scientific perspective, it seemed they were saying that the chemical is a sort of vehicle for our energy to migrate to another dimension. We can visit that dimension by ingesting the chemical from plant form... or we can activate the chemical already in us by way of deep meditation. When we die, our brain is induced with the chemical, like you said, but at that point it is a catalyst for our universal (undying) energy to go to another dimension. (???)
 fillyphilly
Joined: 5/12/2012
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Posted: 5/31/2012 5:38:21 AM
You can get there through meditation. The oceanic thing is interesting. I'll look up the links. I understand people's scepticism. I would think a lot of things were fantasy or impossible had I not experienced them firsthand.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 26
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Posted: 5/31/2012 6:27:14 AM
Book: The God Part of the Brain -- author's contention is that we're hardwired for God. Also, that it was created in us as a need to shield ourselves from knowing that "real death" takes place. For him, it's proof that we're set up to be self-delusional. And he's done: he's satisfied *himself* that that is so. Didn't satisfy me, even logically, lol! I, personally, think that if Godde made us, or guided our making (don't worry about it much: I have no dog in this fight), that s/he'd also create a way for us to be in contact. . . .

I've seen so many people live their lives absolutely ignoring the exit door, the elephant in the room, and just sheer volumes of facts that are counter to their pre-set beliefs to find that type of argument convincing. So, I'll just go the paths that I *can* go, and not worry about others who can't see them. I worry more about those that seem to NEED to regulate what others believe/know. I have one life to worry about keeping on track, and that's more than enough. Worrying that my neighbor doesn't "get it" is beyond my ken.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 5/31/2012 6:33:41 AM
DMT ~~ did that one time. Long ago. Twas very beautiful. During, I discovered the answer to everything. And joyfully and carefully wrote it down. Took literally *hours* to do so. Next morning, I ran for my notebook, to behold the answer! A giant and simple: ? ! Sobering enough that I chose not to go to *that* place again, lol!
 fillyphilly
Joined: 5/12/2012
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Posted: 5/31/2012 6:46:32 PM
Lorenz, fascinating. I've experienced it too. Don't know if the OP is still reading this. I spent a year working with someone who became my best friend for 20 years. We worked in an isolated place and we saw many interesting things. He wasn't a believer and some of it scared him but the fact that we both and some of our daycare kids as well saw this and experienced it confirmed it made it very real. It gave me some of the faith I had been lacking prior.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 6/3/2012 5:57:17 AM
This was fascinating. . . .

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/singleton/
 Kohmelo
Joined: 9/20/2011
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Posted: 6/3/2012 11:02:18 AM


Explain how this is proof in any way, i can easily make a website with a few bad pieces of photography on it!

Honestly man, if a picture of a few random dots doesn't convince you, then the drawing of the skeleton with a hat on should. How much evidence do you need?
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 6/3/2012 6:14:55 PM
All I can say, looking at your pic, something don't look right, I believe in God was raised in church I know what the Holly Sprit is.

So, with that being said, I could not look at your pic for long because something is not right, if you were around me, I would be praying hard, or get the hell away from ya.

I don't claim to be all sprirtual, but I do know when I feel something and see something that don't seem right


It is picture 3. You can see the backside of a naked lady at the counter in the reflection from the window. :) Also... the coloring is almost magical. The unrealistic color that only surrounds the head. They eyes are funny things.

Ok... I can't pass up the opportunity. OP was there a women in your life that passed? :)
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 32
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Posted: 3/11/2013 7:39:05 PM

of course islam has the concept of djinns (the source of the word "genie") but i don't know too much about those.

It's funny, I was just reading about this last week. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

And the plural form doesn't have the 's', btw.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 33
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Posted: 3/11/2013 7:44:06 PM
What do you really get out of heckling other people? Does it make you feel smarter somehow? If you don't believe that anything spiritual or supernatural could take place then don't camp out in a thread that's talking about it.

If I saw a sign that said "KKK meeting in here" I wouldn't go in there and start heckling them, I'd know that this would mean trouble. Nor would I go into a KKK-related forum and heckle them there either. I know that I wouldn't change anyone's mind by trying to argue with them so I'd leave them alone. I really don't get why close-minded people do the same on forums around the Internet. You're not going to ridicule someone into *not* believing what they believe so just stop already.
 Luthion
Joined: 12/1/2008
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Posted: 3/12/2013 6:39:35 AM
Nobody is heckling you. They're simply asking you to back up with your facts with evidence.
 Luthion
Joined: 12/1/2008
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Posted: 3/12/2013 7:13:31 AM
...what? What do my spiritual beliefs have to do with my hair? That is the most random question I think I've ever been asked...

I have no desire to derail this thread with random banter. I wasn't discounting what other persons were saying. Just responding to - particular post about "heckling".
 Luthion
Joined: 12/1/2008
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Posted: 3/12/2013 8:25:59 AM
I'm not offended. I just don't understand the connection between my hair and my beliefs. =P You're going to have to explain.
 Luthion
Joined: 12/1/2008
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:06:08 AM
Someone said something about my hair? I actually don't recall a single post like that...
 Luthion
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:35:31 AM
Oh right, that. They weren't commenting on *my* hair. =P

Someone was trying to claim that Buddhist Monks shave their heads to help them receive telepathic signals better, in their pursuit of enlightenment.

...I'm not joking. They actually said that.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:26:51 PM
Luthion, that's all you're apparently good for. You show up and play the jerk. Somehow you think this is normal behavior for a person but it isn't.

I don't give you facts or evidence because I owe you nothing. You might as well be a fly buzzing about the room, you're that annoying.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 40
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:50:43 PM
Having a different opinion than someone is hardly "playing the jerk"
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 3/12/2013 10:52:44 PM

someone said something about my hair.


Looks like its receding, possibly coloured?
 Luthion
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:49:10 AM

I don't give you facts or evidence because I owe you nothing. You might as well be a fly buzzing about the room, you're that annoying.


You don't give *anyone* facts of evidence because there isn't if. You put two and two together and get five. If having a rational debate equals "being a jerk" then I don't know what to say.

The Buddhist claim was flat out ignorance. It is based on nothing. No science, no source, no evidence.


looks like its receding, possible coloured.


Coloured? No.

Receding? Sadly so. =P
 ForumFiona
Joined: 1/7/2013
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:15:35 PM
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Posted: 3/12/2013 125 AM

I really enjoyed reading your post - nothing like getting the crap scared out of you in the dark at the outhouse by a goat lol! Love learning about Native spirituality and Shamanism. Skinwalkers were mentioned on the show "Navajo Cops" and for a job that involves its members to chase suspects in the dark out in the middle of nowhere, some take their (private) protection rituals very seriously. Enjoyed that show and a few of those members are tough men wow, great respect for the difficult job they do.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
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Posted: 3/13/2013 2:43:55 PM

Having a different opinion than someone is hardly "playing the jerk"

Technically you'd be correct. Now go back and review the last 10 posts that he's made and tell me that he isn't one of the top ten jerks on the forums.

There are ways of stating an opposing opinion that doesn't qualify for "jerk" status.

* "Well, in my opinion, ... " + state your own opinion
* "I've not found that to be the case in my own experience." + state your own experience(s)
* "I myself believed that before I read about..." + share your reading recommendation

If you want to be seen as a jerk then use one of the methods that you guys routinely use on here.

* "No. You're wrong." + berate them
* virtually roll your eyes and play the drama queen, heckling someone
* read perhaps 5% of what was written, ignore the rest and then state unequivocally that your own opinion is in fact reality

Being anonymous on a dating site is no excuse for bad manners.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
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Posted: 3/13/2013 3:05:50 PM

The Buddhist claim was flat out ignorance. It is based on nothing. No science, no source, no evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_shaving
http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/trp.php
http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/trp_eq2.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_(radio)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity

Unfortunately, you aren't curious enough to 1) read/review any of those, 2) you don't have an electrical engineering background as I do and 3) you're predisposed to disbelieve that anyone could have knowledge or understanding that you yourself don't already possess. So just ignore all that "science, source and evidence" above. I doubt if you could follow along anyway.

Quotes from http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm

What is Compassion?

Compassion includes qualities of sharing, readiness to give comfort, sympathy, concern, caring. In Buddhism, we can really understand others, when we can really understand ourselves, through wisdom.

Would you describe your interactions with others here on the forum as compassionate? I wouldn't.


What is Wisdom?

Buddhism teaches that wisdom should be developed with compassion. At one extreme, you could be a goodhearted fool and at the other extreme, you could attain knowledge without any emotion. Buddhism uses the middle path to develop both. The highest wisdom is seeing that in reality, all phenomena are incomplete, impermanent and do no constitute a fixed entity. True wisdom is not simply believing what we are told but instead experiencing and understanding truth and reality. Wisdom requires an open, objective, unbigoted mind. The Buddhist path requires courage, patience, flexibility and intelligence.

Even if you did think me the fool then as a Buddhist you'd be charged with sharing your wisdom in a compassionate way rather than a condescending one. Would you describe yourself as wise? I wouldn't.

"True wisdom is... experiencing and understanding truth and reality." Would you describe yourself as someone who goes out of his way to experience these things (the paranormal, extraterrestrials, the supernatural)? I wouldn't.


What is Karma?

Karma is the law that every cause has an effect, i.e., our actions have results. This simple law explains a number of things: inequality in the world, why some are born handicapped and some gifted, why some live only a short life. Karma underlines the importance of all individuals being responsible for their past and present actions. How can we test the karmic effect of our actions? The answer is summed up by looking at (1) the intention behind the action, (2) effects of the action on oneself, and (3) the effects on others.

When you come on here and heckle others, what would you say is the intention behind that action? What is the effect on you after you've done this? What is the effect on the others here? I would answer, 1) to make you feel smarter than everyone else, 2) you go to bed feeling angry, 3) others like myself are annoyed with you.

By the way, one of the other forum posters has decided to call it quits. He's tired of the irritating people who camp out here for no other purpose than to harm others. Include yourself in that group, by the way.
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