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 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 12
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I would venture a guess that the poster in question was stating his opinion that the bridge would benefit Canadians in making it easier to access health care in the US.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 13
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:28:04 AM

I would venture a guess that the poster in question was stating his opinion that the bridge would benefit Canadians in making it easier to access health care in the US.


I would venture a guess it would benefit hockey fans on a much larger scale ..

"Canadian hospitalizations in the three U.S. states represented (Michigan, New York and Washington State) 2.3 per 1,000 total admissions in the three Canadian provinces. Furthermore, emergency/urgent admissions and admissions related to pregnancy and birth constituted about 80 percent of the stateside admissions. Elective admissions were a small proportion of total cases in all three states: 14 percent in Michigan; 20 percent in New York; and 17 percent in Washington. "
 part deux
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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:26:37 AM
No, what the poster was trying to do, was turn the post into a President Obama's a socialist/Canadian's are socialists/socialists are bad/socialized healthcare is bad, rant.

Why would we need US healthcare?
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
Msg: 15
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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:15:45 AM
we do have a conservative government that is taking our health care appart
as well as many other social programs, that at one time defined us as Canadian
these reform party yahoo's have a majority, and they are using it
 Blalah
Joined: 3/25/2012
Msg: 16
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Posted: 6/16/2012 3:11:27 PM

Why so defensive, I ask?

Because this is a Canadian website higherpowerdamnit!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 17
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Posted: 6/16/2012 4:21:36 PM

...To say that it does not happen is very ignorant of the actual facts...

Which would be the same as to imply that it is anything more than a occasional thing, would also be ignorant of the facts.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 18
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Posted: 6/16/2012 4:29:13 PM

Which would be the same as to imply that it is anything more than a occasional thing, would also be ignorant of the facts.


Funny the net is full of news stories and blogs and many other sites that talk about this and how common it is.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 19
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Posted: 6/16/2012 4:35:12 PM

Funny the net is full of news stories and blogs and many other sites that talk about this and how common it is.

So if the net is so full of these claims, lets see them, because I bet they are nothing more than opinion bits / blogs with little to no evidence to back up any claims.
 part deux
Joined: 11/11/2008
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Posted: 6/16/2012 4:37:35 PM
Frankly, you know nothing about our healthcare system, so your praise or critique of it is without merit.
The idea that a bridge would need to be built for Canadians flocking to the USA for medical procedures is the only " steaming pile of horseshit" I see here. As you have offered nothing in the way of proof, I assume that you are aware that your comment is meant only to insult and/or provoke other posters.
Furtheremore, I am not defensive, I am just tired of you turning every debate into a 'bad socialists' rant.

I get it, you hate your President, you hate socialists, you hate socialised healthcare, the USA is the greatest, and everyone else is wrong.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 21
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:13:19 AM

your comment is meant only to insult and/or provoke other posters.


This is the part that is really bugging me. You call out Paul K for provocation, but the OP is just fine. No provocative there.

SUBJECT TITLE: Another' hand out' to the USA
FIRST LINE OF OP: More "charity" from Canadian tax payers to the USA

Just seems a bit hypocritical to me. I think the ENTIRE intent of this thread is to insult and/or provoke other posters. (Specifically American ones.) Otherwise, he could have chosen his words to evoke an entirely different type of discussion.
 want to travel
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Msg: 22
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Posted: 6/17/2012 11:27:06 AM
Americans, do not seem to want to understand, that they cost there allies a lot of money, that in fact the USA has been able to keep its super power position, only because the rest of the world is paying for it
nothing against American people, but the government is out of control, as is its financial system
americans on main street, did not pay for the bail outs,we, the rest of the world is paying
you vote for anyone who say no new taxes, but the borrowing goes on and on
well, to keep such a great power on global welfare, is ruin other countries economies
The Euro, for instance is ONLY in trouble, because of wall street
do you people realize, that the American banks that are too big to fail
are once again under capitalized to the tune of half a trillion dollars!
once again, the world will have to give the USA charity, to survive
the only problem is, soon we all will be broke
time for america, to pay its own way, regulate the criminals on wall street
and wake up!
The usa, can't expect to be saved forever,even hand out stop one day!
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 23
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:27:29 PM

Just seems a bit hypocritical to me. I think the ENTIRE intent of this thread is to insult and/or provoke other posters. (Specifically American ones.) Otherwise, he could have chosen his words to evoke an entirely different type of discussion.

It's news in this country, and we're all a bit pissed off about it. The private owners of the current bridge have been spending lots of money to make sure another one isn't built. Mostly through heavy bribing of Michigan legislators. So Canadian taxpayers have to pony up to pay for something that is necessary. Canada and the US have traditionally been the two largest trading partners in the world; all through the 20th century and right into the 21st (only recently surpassed by China); our trade relationship has been characterized thusly, "We don't trade with one another. We build things together."; 13% of all Canada-US trade goes through this corridor; this is where the "building things together" paradigm is most in play - Southern Ontario and the midwest.

The story is one of America being hijacked by special interests which hurts the economy of both countries. And of Canada having to step up because of that. The story is one that sheds a bad light on America. The guy who posted lies about Canada's healthcare was just trying to troll this with bullshit. I've lived here for 50 years and the only person I know who went south for medical care went there because she sought flaky, ineffective cancer treatments that are illegal in this country. So she died.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:57:45 PM
I read an article about this in yesterdays local paper [Toledo Blade]. It said that Canada will pay Michigans 550 million construction costs. In return, Canada will collect the tolls on bridge usage. Good deal? Fair? I don't know.

What happens if the owner of the existing Ambassador Bridge keeps tolls consistently lower than the new bridge? Could take a while for Canada to recoup that 550 mill...
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 25
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:36:34 PM

The guy who posted lies about Canada's healthcare was just trying to troll this with bullshit.


Are you referring to the Canadian from Ontario when you said that? His quote from Msg. 13:


Well, the sad truth is that, in many places in Canada, we no longer have good, or even adequate health care
here in Windsor,because of massive cuts,



but the rest of the Ontario is hurting
and yes, a lot of people go over the border!I know I would


What IS the big deal if a few Canadians go the the US for healthcare. Why does that fact get your panties in such a twist? BIG fvcking deal.
 part deux
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Posted: 6/17/2012 2:00:23 PM
The point is that a 'few' Canadians go to the US for healthcare, not enough for Canadian taxpayers to foot the bill for an entire bridge, nor is the bridge being built so Canadians can go to the US for healthcare.

Nobody's panties seem to be in a twist but yours, so do you have anything to say about the bridge, or do you just want to swear and be ignorant?
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 27
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:05:57 PM
My bad. It's just that I've never encountered such a large group of disingenuous hypocrites in one place before.

The disdain you Canadians exhibit towards us (individually) is overwhelming at times. I understand you and the rest of world despise most of the decisions our government makes. But that doesn't excuse the personal insults and contempt you disperse.
 part deux
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Posted: 6/17/2012 4:16:45 PM
I never once wrote a personal insult, so you are the disingenuous one. Furthermore, you have not made one point explaining why Canadians should foot the bill for the entire bridge. Do you even have any knowledge of the bridge that is going to be built, or did you just hop on this thread to show your disdain of Canadians?
You are the one resorting to personal insults and vulgar language.
Can you please talk about the bridge? Is that too much to ask?
 CoolBreezez
Joined: 8/20/2006
Msg: 29
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:20:51 PM
Funny- With all due respects to my fellow Canadians, as soon as I saw the thread title, I knew there was going to be a lot of cross border bickering (again)-its just spoilin for an argument. The issues with the construction of the bridge are a little complex but it should benefit both Canadian and American business. This isn't just a handout.

This is actually a story of cooperation between the Michigan, Ontario and both Federal governments to get this done. It was being obstructed by an American businessman, the one that owns the Ambassador Bridge. The use of Canadian money to front the costs is a way around political and legal interference from that owner.

See the story here

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1212242--canada-michigan-bridge-over-gridlocked-border-rightly-bypasses-litigious-billionaire-olive

In part it is also a story about the dangers of private ownership of important infrastructure. The general public can be held hostage to it. Here in Canada, we had a similar issue with Highway 407. The province sold the road to private interests, giving them an iron clad 99 years agreement. Now they can charge whatever they want, run the highway however they want and there's little the province can do about it. The 407 is a cash cow, just as the Ambassador bridge is now. With the new bridge, the Canadian government can collect the tolls to pay for it and help keep business flowing across the border with our biggest trading partner.
 want to travel
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Posted: 6/18/2012 1:14:32 PM
try and read what the Michigan papers have to say about this project, the Star is pro Harper
it just is not popular with Americans, not at this time
both, the bridge, and rail tunnel, was built by private enterprise,both are still working wonderfully,nearly a century later!
nobody is saying, that no new bridge should be built,but it should not just be yet another hand out, by tax payers on the Canadian side, at least American's, have a say, in what their tax money should be spent on!

If no one has noticed, manufacturing, in both countries has been in rapid decline, over the past 30 or so years!
The Canadian government, gave GM a bail out, in thanks, they pulled out of Oshawa!
all kind of manufacturing jobs, are just simply moving overseas......

private enterprise should foot the bill, not tax payers!
the government, cant run even the most simple business,and turn a profit, this bridge, will never, pay for itself!
In Windsor we had a casino built,by the government,it was a disaster, until, Ceasars was hired to run it

and American's don't take it personally, it is not the people, the citizens of the United states that the whole world is having a major problem with
it is the government that is now, bought and payed for by wall street!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 31
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Posted: 6/19/2012 8:09:18 PM

The United States of America has given and given and given until now we are dead broke and cannot give to our own. That isn't the only reason we can't give to our own and our country really isn't broke, but it is sucking so much from it's own citizens that for all intents and purposes we are broke.

There is one group of citizens that are doing quote well and in fact have never had it better.

You think maybe those two things would somehow be related?

You know the whole running out of money the same time someone though it was a good idea to bring less in?
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 32
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Posted: 6/19/2012 8:28:15 PM

If this bridge needs to be built so badly for Canadians to get over to Detroit, my question is why? Not that I mind you coming over, come all you want, but sounds like Canadians must be getting a great deal out of crossing over to Detroit/Michigan/USA


seriously?


CVMA President Mark Nantais stated: "We have long supported additional international infrastructure capacity in the Windsor-Detroit gateway because it is a critical trade corridor that supports automotive manufacturing and jobs in both Canada and the United States."

AAPC President Matt Blunt added that "The scale of trade in automotive products between the United States and Canada is unequalled anywhere else in the world and the seamless nature of the auto manufacturing industry that straddles our border, requires the necessary infrastructure that this bridge represents."

With the highly integrated automotive industry between Canada and the United States, automotive trade is worth roughly $100 Billion annually, with the majority of production parts and finished vehicles flowing through the Windsor-Detroit gateway.


furthermore;


Chrysler's "Imported from Detroit" campaign started in February with a two-minute Super Bowl ad featuring Detroit-born rapper Eminem driving through the city in a Chrysler 200, which is assembled in Detroit. "When it comes to luxury, it's as much about where it's from, as who it's for," says a deep-voiced narrator.


The chrysler 300 is made in Brampton Ontario.

You are correct, in saying the US "has never taken a hand out" rather you just ..take.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 33
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:04:07 PM

It's embarrasing to see how eager some Canadians are to bash the United States of America.


indications by demonstration of hyperbole laced hubris ( msg's 6,25,39) is embarrassing? odd

I think Canada is lucky to have such a good neighbour. We often travel to the United States and I can't say I've ever met a kinder, more polite group of people.

..better the devil you know
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
Msg: 34
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:22:46 PM
LOL on the health care thing,yes there are SOME Cdns. who go south for it (would hardly make any significant bridge traffic) ---- >

what few people know is that many Americans who live in border cities come to Canada for medical care & procedures, especially those not covered by insurance who are paying out of their own pockets..since the costs are typically about 1/2 what they are in the USA (have inside knowledge of this)

rarely mentioned by the spin doctors as those with vested interests in keeping the current US system have deep pockets for PR & publicity, spend many $$ Millions annually pimping..errr. I mean "promoting" the current system.

the US can no longer pretend to be a democratic country (influenced by "the people") , it is run by the thousands of lobbyists in Washington DC & state Capitols ..

money buys everything, Manny Maroun, owner of the current Windsor-Detroit Ambassador Bridge, doesn't want competition and is spreading $$ millions to Michigan legislators to ensure it stays that way It is a government of big business, for big business, and by lawyers , lobbyists & PR firms

then the USA has the balls to suggest that other countries around the world should 'embrace democracy"? rule of the almighty $ is more like it

The "Tea Party" doesn't want 'less government'-- they wan the same amount, just gov't to choose different groups to 'win' or 'lose' by gov't intervention & control..in other words they want Big Gov't to benefit THEIR special interests.

Canada is not much better but not 'quite' as pimped out as the US situation


^^^ LOLOLOL Paul, you are so right, so right!

Bravo


SS


interesting choice of initials, SS once had a very sinister meaning --but as long as the "right" people 'win', any amount of gov't intervention & control is OK , right?
 want to travel
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:10:48 AM
Well I will tell you
Bridge, by government Bad Idea
Canadians, are not asked, nor do they have any right too
Michigan is challenging, the whole thing, they are demanding a vote, on the whole thing in november!!!
 natgoat227
Joined: 6/10/2012
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:06:37 AM
At least Canadians know how to build good roads(bridges)!!!
I grew up in a 'Border City', and every time the family drove over The Peace Bridge....
we always knew _The Second_ we entered Canada....into Ft. Erie...
The road was as Smooth as Silk..!!!
...as opposed to the Air Force Bombing Range on the Buffalo side!!!

^5 to all my Canuck friends.....
...
...'eh??
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