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 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 258
Living on a shoestring budgetPage 13 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)

EVERYONE.....go back to the original post.....PLEASE!

This forum has gone SO off topic. If "you" wish to make a certain point.....start your own thread.

And this ^^^ is on-topic? Some times I just LOVE the irony in here. Always good for a giggle or three. (Prostitution is on-topic. We're talking about what one will do when they don't have a shoe-string to their name.) JMO
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 259
Living on a shoestring budget
Posted: 7/9/2012 2:34:34 PM

The real hypocrisy is police will arrest the "johns" (I've watched this happening from work) while the city collects business/licensing fees from escort services.


They bust drug addicted girls and they go right back to work when released.They need cash or the pimp tells them them to get their ass out on the street.Simpler to bust customers that have something to lose.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
Msg: 260
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Posted: 7/9/2012 3:08:22 PM
Statemachine: A friend who is a woman police officer told me that, despite romantic images to the contrary, 95% of hookers are run away girls who are or on their way to becoming drug junkies.

Common pattern...police get a call either from social services or the parents about a missing or runaway daughter. She could be underage or legal age. The only tool the police have to pick her up is on solicitation or some drug possession charge.. They hold her, contact the parents...perhaps can get her into a treatment regimen.

I'm not against legalized prostitution (solicitation) or legalization of some drugs ...BUT...then the police and social services will have been virtually stripped of the tools they have to help these very same young women. Those tools remove her, at least temporarily from her pimp, drugs, etc.

As for 'Johns' being picked up...tough. They are the lowest of the low exploiting young women at their most vulnerable.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 261
Living on a shoestring budget
Posted: 7/9/2012 7:21:35 PM

i've heard many variations on the theme of money being the source of all the troubles in the world. and no, i don't think adding "the love of..." changes the meaning in any significant way... but it's really just arguing semantics...


Then let me explain.

Money is a fact of life: we need money in order to survive. We have used currency for thousands of years. We cannot return to bartering or an agrarian way of life where we are self-sufficient in providing the things we need to merely stay alive--food and shelter being the prime "things."

So, we have a house, but we want a bigger house. We have a car, but we want one that goes faster. We want vacations.

We work harder in order to obtain money. Our family life might suffer, as might our health, but still, we quest after the almighty dollar.

Money isn't the problem; need isn't the problem, but the DESIRE to obtain more is the problem. Substitute "obsession" for love or "belongings" for money--then it becomes a matter of semantics.

Put other issues into the equation: the rich person who gets richer off the backs of the poor who work for him/her; the same rich person amasses money that he/she could never spend in one lifetime while children starve. Again, the money is not the problem: it is the LOVE of that money that is.

We all read about people who die and lived their lives as paupers, yet they had a million dollars in the back. People will sell out family, friends, and country for money.

Most of us want to acquire money for security and to buy what we want and need, but money is not the root of the "evil" associated with it: the obsessive love of money is the problem, and it is a purely human problem.

There, does that make it a bit clearer?

And as for the variations, this quote (as someone already pointed out) is Biblical, 1 Timothy 6 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 262
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:24:05 PM

Statemachine: A friend who is a woman police officer told me that, despite romantic images to the contrary, 95% of hookers are run away girls who are or on their way to becoming drug junkies


They get "turned out"as young teens.I've seen how it happens up close.My daughter was a handful between 13 and 16.Ex gets a call from her that she and a friend are going to move to Van.I boot over to the place.My daughter and another girl are in the company of a guy about twice their age.I tell her what will likely happen if she goes to another city with this guy.He says nothing,biding his time.She leaves with me,the other stays.The other girl goes to Van and in a short while my daughter hears from her and she is working the streets,stoned on powder drugs.Pimps only recently started receiving increased penalties,I could never figure why the system went easy on them.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 263
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:12:38 AM
I think most mothers would do anything within their power to feed their children, including stealing or selling their body IF that was their last resort. I know I would. They are my children. And any man out there would do the same I'm thinking...we all do what we have to do at times. Not all of us are blessed with a great life at all times. Many are a paycheque away from....gawd knows what.

I've worked in coffee shops and sold shoes to pay for food. I'm sure many of us have struggled from time to time - it makes us stronger and makes us appreciate it when the food is plentiful.
 Tarnished_Knight
Joined: 3/5/2009
Msg: 264
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Posted: 7/10/2012 12:44:42 PM
Ms. Gwendolyn,

Well said.
Let me add a piece you might agree with that I struggle mightily with: do we own our possessions or do our possessions own (rule) us?

TK
[I'm waiting for someone to bring up the needle and camel parable.]
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
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Posted: 7/10/2012 1:50:39 PM

I think most mothers would do anything within their power to feed their children, including stealing or selling their body IF that was their last resort


Agreed...but it's not the last resort in western societies. Tens of millions of poor mothers have children that don't starve to death...don't starve despite their mother never selling her bodies. Not sure who all these children are that have starved to death in the USA in the past decade....seems the poor are getting fatter. Kids in ghettos and Appalchia don't resemble sticks but rather waddling butterballs. Any woman who has a starving child has a mental disorder and social services sould step in and remove the child from the abusive environment.
 largo2
Joined: 12/13/2011
Msg: 266
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Posted: 7/10/2012 1:53:26 PM
Children don't starve to death, but families do live in shelters, which is a pretty hellish way to grow up. Overweight children in poverty are usually malnourished, and overweight due to substandard food, lack of fresh vegetables and fruit which are far more expensive than pasta .


Not sure how this thread evolved to this, but I am pretty sure we are off topic...
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 267
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Posted: 7/10/2012 3:07:24 PM

Ms. Gwendolyn,
Well said.
Let me add a piece you might agree with that I struggle mightily with: do we own our possessions or do our possessions own (rule) us?


That is up to the individual. When I left my ex, I put what would fit into the backseat and trunk of a Ford Contour and drove from Cali to Missouri; it was NOT a lot of stuff. When I rented an apartment and then a house, there was very little to fill either place. Three years later, I went back to Cali and got some of my "stuff." Over the years, I have accumulated a houseful of possessions.

But I KNOW that if I had to, I could walk away from them. I did it once and I could do it again. Hoarders are ruled by their possessions, but it is something within them that makes them hoard . . . it is a case of which comes first, the chicken or the egg, eh?


Kids in ghettos and Appalchia don't resemble sticks but rather waddling butterballs. Any woman who has a starving child has a mental disorder and social services sould step in and remove the child from the abusive environment.


You really have not been among the down and out, have you? When my friend and her two kids lived in her car, they might not have been starving, but they couldn't find a place to rent and motels eat money up quickly. Shelters turn people away. You cannot empathize because you cannot imagine yourself in that situation. I can.
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
Msg: 268
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Posted: 7/10/2012 7:25:00 PM
When I was single after serving 4 years in the US Army Infantry, it didn't bother me to live in a tent during the summer months and save money for the winter. During the winter I rented a room till the snow melted. I had a place to shower daily, a ice chest for food, and a stove to cook it on. It was better than eating 'C' rats and sleeping in a foxhole. People would pay good money to go on a camping trip to the area I lived and I knew where I could camp for free. Sometimes homeless is a state of mind and even though I didn't have a house part of the year, I never thought of myself as homeless and I got to live in the beautiful Sierra Nevada mountains.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 269
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Posted: 7/11/2012 9:40:47 AM

And I didn't want to tough it out being married working at Wal-Mart or the equivalent.

Boo-hoo. Some of us swallowed our pride and took what we could get at the moment.

AGREED!!! LOL! We didn't even have "Wal Marts" in my part of the country 36 years ago when I spent 4 months living in my car....with my 1 and 2 year old daughters. NOR, did we have "day care centers" and especially....we did NOT have "government subsidized child care" so from my 1 full and 2 part time jobs......I paid over 60% of my net income just to pay for a babysitter so that I COULD work. There were NO....I mean....NONE "food stamps" for anyone who was employed, regardless of how little they earned.

Over the years, I've taken a lot of criticism, stopped going to Baptist churches, and learned to ignore the negative and hatefully selfish opinions of those who feel they have the right to dictate HOW others "make it" though this life. When someone recognized that I was a "good worker" with gumption...and a good mechanical aptitude offered me the opportunity to take an apprenticeship test for a construction trade, I jumped at the CHANCE to WORK to give my children and myself a better life. I once commented (to someone who questioned WHY "a pretty woman" was willing to do such physically difficult and grossly dirty labor), that "For what they're paying me....I'd carry $hit on a teaspoon back and forth to Cleveland all day!"


DISAGREE, when you lived in your car 36 years ago, you were 23 years old. You can get hired as a 25 year old pipe fitter with no experience.

What are the odds of a 50 year old man getting hired as pipe fitter with no experience? It doesn't really matter what my mechanical aptitude or work ethic was, it's nearly impossible to competely change careers at 50 and get a job with having no experience that has a future. The best choice at that point is to become an entrepreneur. Poor choices is a menial job that I can hold till I am 62, then retire on SS. Or I could have moved to another part of the country and try to get back into Telecommucations, but I was already 3 years out of date when I decided to make a radical change, and high tech is like living dog years, 6 months out of date is Ok, more becomes a problem.

I checked working at "Wal Marts", but it is a big assumtion they would even hire me, because I saw several engineers working in grocery stores, they said it was very difficult to get those jobs. A lot of us were out of work in the same city at the same time, due to the Internet bust in 2000-2003. Because if you no experience with menial jobs, you are an older man, and you used to make 75,000, the store assumes as soon as that type of job opens up, you are out of there, or that you will have a bad attitude, or that you will not be healthy. It's more of a challenge than you think when you are 50+, but it is likely doable.

A menial job at age 50 is likely to remain a menial position at age 52, maybe I would still have my orginal 7,000 left, maybe not. And having that on my resume may win me points on PoF, but it would hurt me trying to get a high end engineering job. A low end job techical job, they hire young people for that.

What I did instead was take my $7,0oo stake and trade it up to $144,000, which would have never been possible working whatever job I could get. So I stared a new career in a situation where I can only fire myself. Fire myself is a trading joke, if you lose too much money you have fired yourself.

I have hit various types of bottoms before when I was in my 20s- 30s, and taken a low end humiliating job, but it does not work when you are past 50. Actually, I have hit several types of bottoms, from financial to emotional to work related at dfferent times. Hopefully I have covered enough of the bases to avoid any more drama in my life.
 tbicon
Joined: 5/6/2012
Msg: 270
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Posted: 7/11/2012 9:53:57 AM

What I did instead was take my $7,0oo stake and trade it up to $144,000, which would have never been possible working whatever job I could get.


I have sometimes thought about doing nothing but trading. I do trading part time, have made literal life fortunes and lost life fortunes doing so. I think to trade successfully on a regular basis it has to be a full time job. I have never been willing to give up my day job to do nothing but trade, yet at least.


A menial job at age 50 is likely to remain a menial position at age 52


I think people who do menial jobs are stuck doing menial jobs because they do not have the education or intelligence to do better. I simply disagree that even an older man can not get a good job if he has experience and is good at what he does. I know there is age discrimination in the market place, lots of it, but it usually hits those who really have no more to offer than the young have to offer. If you are good at what you do, bring something to the table, age should never stop you in the long run, imho. I can tell you that in my small business which requires administrative support it is really hard to find people who are good at what they do, who have intelligence, common sense, initiative . . the whole package, and if you find them you want them no matter what age they are. There are a huge number of people who don't want to work too hard for their pay checks or who don't want to make an effort to do what needs to be done.
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