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 cotter
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Just as I thought ...

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13966068-investigation-finds-no-evidence-ag-eric-holder-knew-of-fast-and-furious-gun-running-sting
Investigation finds no evidence AG Eric Holder knew of 'Fast and Furious' gun-running sting

By Pete Williams
NBC News

A long-awaited report on the U.S. government’s controversial gun-trafficking operation known as “Fast and Furious” released Wednesday found no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the botched effort to trace the flow of guns to Mexico’s drug cartels prior to its public unraveling in January 2011.

The report by the Justice Department’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz said there is "no evidence that ... Holder was informed about Operation Fast and Furious, or learned about the tactics employed by ATF in the investigation" before Congress began pressing him for information about it in early 2011.
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The inspector general did determine that the acting deputy attorney general, Gary Grindler, received a briefing about the ill-fated gun-tracing operation in March 2010, but that the briefing "failed to alert Grindler to problems in the investigation."

The report also concluded that the operation was "seriously flawed and supervised irresponsibly" by federal officials in Arizona, who allowed it to continue in hopes of scoring a big case against a gun-trafficking organization despite obvious problems.

No one in Arizona, at ATF headquarters in Washington or at the Justice Department acted to end the operation until two weapons that were allowed to flow into Mexico were found at the scene of a shootout where a federal border agent, Brian Terry, was killed in December 2010.

"Fast and Furious" was an attempt to trace the flow of guns from the US into Mexico. ATF agents were instructed to allow suspected gun runners for the Mexican cartels to take guns into Mexico, because local ATF officials and local prosecutors believed they could then follow the weapons to the cartel higher-ups in Mexico. It didn't work that way, and roughly 2,000 guns were lost, most of them AK-47-type rifles, the report said.

Even after two of the trafficked guns showed up at the scene of Terry's death, senior ATF leaders did little to find out what went wrong. Instead, the report said, Kenneth Melson, then the acting ATF director, seemed more concern that agents were leaking information to the news media about the botched operation.

Holder, in a statement issued immediately after the report's release, said its "key conclusions are consistent with what I, and other Justice Department officials, have said for many months now," that senior Justice Department officials were unaware of the "flawed strategy and tactics" that dated back to the administration of George W. Bush and made no effort to "cover up information or mislead Congress about it."

Holder also announced that Melson, who was transferred out of the top job at the ATF last year, was retiring, effective immediately. A second Justice Department official, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, has resigned. The report said Weinstein failed to tell Attorney General Holder about problems with the Fast and Furious operation.

In all, 14 current federal employees were singled out in the report for potential disciplinary action.

The report's publication seemed to do little to end the bitter rivalry between Holder and Rep. Darrel Issa, the California Republican who was among the first to question the Fast and Furious operation.

"It is unfortunate that some were so quick to make baseless accusations before they possessed the facts about these operations -- accusations that turned out to be without foundation and that have caused a great deal of unnecessary harm and confusion," Holder said in his statement.
 matchlight
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What is (Attorney General) Eric Holder really not talking about?
Posted: 9/19/2012 7:16:43 PM
Eric Holder is a unprincipled, practiced liar who is the perfect lackey for his fellow leftist, the Liar-in-Chief. Holder got the job partly as a reward for having dutifully arranged, as assistant A.G., the details of B.J. Clinton's eleventh-hour pardons of Marc Rich and other fellow crooks. The large amount Rich donated to the Clinton Library seems to have helped grease the skids.

These eminent gentlemen saw to it that the two black criminals who violated federal voting laws by threatening voters in Philadelphia in 2008 were never prosecuted--this, even though a federal court had already entered a default judgment against them after they arrogantly ignored the summons. The official policy of Mr. Obama's Justice Department is not to prosecute blacks who violate federal voting laws. They get a free pass strictly because of their race, but so-called liberals like race prejudice when it works that way.

Mssrs. Obama and Holder are all for going after Arizonans, though, for daring to try to protect themselves against the illegal aliens invading their state from Mexico, many of whom have been kidnappers, murderers, slave traders, drug runners, and other dangerous criminals. Obama sees the invaders as future Democrats, once he's declared an amnesty and bought their votes with the promise of a place at the federal slop trough. Just like Tammany Hall, only this time catering to Mexicans, and scaled up to a federal level. Isn't that a source of pride for Americans?

Obama and Holder also sympathize with Muslim jihadists. Maybe they remind Obama of his father, a Kenyan Muslim socialist, and his resentment of white colonial domination. The two wanted to give Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the murder of almost three thousand American civilians on 9/11, a full trial in federal court, right in New York. They proposed that knowing very well that this alien war criminal had no more right to a jury trial than Hermann Goering or Hideki Tojo had. They also knew very well that in any such trial he would have had the right to serve as his own lawyer, and that as such he would have access to all the most secret documents on which the government based its case against him.

All this was predictable, because Holder's law firm, and Holder himself, had provided many hundreds of hours of free legal services to the jihadists at Guantanamo. It is because of the efforts of leftist lawyers like them that the men who planned 9/11 are still alive--have never even been tried, eleven years after committing war crimes for which they should rightfully have been executed years ago.
 GreenThumbz18
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Posted: 9/19/2012 7:59:37 PM
^^^^^^
That case was dropped in 2009 by George Bush?
I don't think so.
 matchlight
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What is (Attorney General) Eric Holder really not talking about?
Posted: 9/19/2012 8:48:28 PM
It was only 2 weeks before Bush left office that the case was re-opened and later resulted in a default judgment against King Samir Shabazz.


If you say so, who can doubt but that it's true? You've already established your credibility here by spreading a totally fabricated anti-American tale about supposed abuse of Muslims that you found on a jihadist website, without ever even hinting that everything you were citing as gospel truth was a damned lie. You've further proven your intellectual honesty by refusing to admit any of this, even though I caught you red-handed.

So President Bush dropped the case--but then he later re-opened it. What of it? If that's true, it makes no difference whatever that he dropped it. Only his final decision counts, and when he left office, the case was open. It was under Mr. Obama that the default judgment was entered, and it was Mr. Obama who decided not to prosecute. I see you share his racial bias.

You are an altogether fitting apologist for Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder. I'm sure that just like the Muslim jihadists you carried water for, they'd both be happy to have you trying--however lamely--to defend them. You have a common cause--they all resent this country just like you do.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 10/1/2012 11:18:30 AM
Those malcontents at Univision are stirring the pot again, now they
are claiming that a whole bunch of people were killed with Fast & Furious
guns.
Maybe the Dems should buy more airtime on Univision channels, so they
will stop trying to make Obama &Co. look bad, that's my take.
 GreenThumbz18
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:13:54 PM
Well Gee Whiz!!
Here we are 2 years after my last post, and Mr. Holder resigns the very same day that a Federal Judge orders documents released from Fast & Furious.
Quite a coincidence, , ,

"Eric Holder announces resignation as judge orders Fast & Furious documents released
Posted 12:37 pm, September 25, 2014, by George Brown and CNN Wire
http://wreg.com/2014/09/25/eric-holder-announces-resignation-as-judge-orders-fast-furious-documents-released/

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder will announce Thursday that he will resign after six years at the Justice Department helm.

This comes on the same day a federal judge ordered Holder to turn over a list of Operation Fast & Furious documents that have not been released due to President Obama’s executive privilege.

In Fast and Furious, the so-called gun-walking operation, roughly 2,000 guns were allowed into Mexico with the goal of tracking them to Mexican drug cartels.

Two guns found at the scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s fatal shooting in December 2010 were linked to the operation.

The House in June 2012 to hold Holder in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents linked to that operation.

As for Holder’s resignation, he has agreed to remain in his post until the confirmation of his successor, a Justice Department official confirmed to CNN.

At a formal announcement later Thursday, Holder plans to express his personal gratitude to President Barack Obama for the opportunity to serve in his administration and to lead the Justice Department, which he will call the “greatest honor of my professional life.”

President Obama will address Holder’s resignation Thursday afternoon from the White House State Room.

An Obama administration official noted some of Holder’s accomplishments, saying the attorney general established a historic legacy of civil rights enforcement and restored fairness to the criminal justice system. “He revitalized the Justice Department’s praised Civil Rights Division, protected the rights of the LGBT community, successfully prosecuted terrorists, and fought tirelessly for voting rights, to name a few,” the official said.

Congressional Republicans have been at odds with Holder. They accused him of defying the 2013 Supreme Court ruling in Shelby v. Holder, which struck down a component of the Voting Rights Act, and they investigated him over Operation Fast and Furious.

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Joel Wood

He’s been stonewallling for OVER TWO YEARS on the FOI request for Fast & Furious documents. He could quite possibly be the most political, most corrupt, AG this nation has ever had.
September 25, 2014 at 1:39 pm Reply Report comment
Howard Stern

Good riddance.
September 25, 2014 at 2:15 pm Reply Report comment
Dennis

This clown needs to do some serious time."
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:25:31 PM
Wow...was this man a crooked Attorney General for our country. His departure is an indicator of mid-term elections.
He set our nation back decades on many things...especially race relations.
He never came clean on the Fast and Furious shady gun program that got Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry killed.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:44:58 PM

This murderer would have been armed regardless of where the gun came from.


^ exactly!


This program was not invented by Holder. It was already taking place.


The neocons will never acknowledge the filth that those of their own ilk partook in; yet are quick to throw stones when someone of the "opposing" party seems to have done something fishy.

For example; you'll never hear a neocon blast former AG Ed Meese (during the Reagan years) when he was clearly involved in the facilitation of the Iran-Contra arms exchange scandal; the Iraq-Jordan Pipeline scandal; and last but not least the Wedtech scandal (underwhich he resigned while being investigated by special prosecutor in 1988).


Wow...was this man a crooked Attorney General for our country.


Man, how pathetic can you get?
When it comes to being corrupt, Meese "takes the cake", hands down!
 HondoGal
Joined: 5/30/2014
Msg: 46
What is (Attorney General) Eric Holder really not talking about?
Posted: 10/6/2014 1:15:22 PM
Holder is totally corrupt. He is on the same level as Sharpton.
Holder’s only agenda has been to pour gasoline on fires.
Most recent example is in Ferguson where he sent federal agents to further investigate a case that is more than likely justifiable homicide/self-defense.
That Obama also sent White House Officials to Michael Brown’s funeral is equally deplorable.

Where are Mr. Holder’s special agents in the recent beheading of an innocent woman by a black man?
Why no outcry here, Holder?
This is an obvious brutal, vicious attack on an innocent white woman by a militant black.
No doubt in this incidence; yet no action from Holder.

And where are Obama’s White House Officials to her funeral?
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:45:39 PM

Holder is totally corrupt. He is on the same level as Sharpton.


But neither comes close to Ed meese


.....is more than likely justifiable homicide/self-defense.


Aaah yes!
Kinda like the way it was down South back in the "good ol-days"
when all a blackman had to do was to give a white cop a bad-look
which was quite enough to "justify" getting shot at!


Where are Mr. Holder’s special agents in the recent beheading of an innocent woman by a black man?


Why the need for special agents, as the case is 'cut & dry'?
Is that what Hannity is demanding of Holder? Or is it Rush
No, Rush didn't say that!
Rush said that Obama is secretely unleashing Ebola within the US as revenge for slavery
Sorry, I can't keep my right-wing list (of inane statements) straight
as they are coming out in droves.


Why no outcry here, Holder?


Maybe because the perpetrator was caught and apprehended, and will no doubt be found guilty and likely be given the death penalty, and thus the family of this woman will have justice served (unlike with the Brown case).


No doubt in this incidence; yet no action from Holder.


WTF do you want Holder to do, that hasn't been already accomplished
But maybe you should ask Hannity (or who ever on Fox news you heard it from)
 flyguy51
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Msg: 48
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Posted: 10/9/2014 12:16:16 PM

Holder is totally corrupt. He is on the same level as Sharpton.

Totally corrupt? Well, that is an accusation thrown against virtually every government official in history, so context is required for it to be meaningful. Sharpton? He was never an AG. Try comparing apples to apples. Oh, right... they are both black apples...

That said, I'm no fan of Holder. He has left me unimpressed. However, I can't seem to think of an AG that I have been particularly impressed with. That could be my own ignorance or perhaps the office is a particularly tough one.

Most recent example is in Ferguson where he sent federal agents to further investigate a case that is more than likely justifiable homicide/self-defense.

Is it really that cut and dried to you? Here is the issue as I see it:

Armed man kills unarmed man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Armed black man kills unarmed black man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Armed black man kills unarmed white man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Pretty consistent thus far. And now for the weird twist as we see it playing out in the first impression of many whites:

Armed white man kills unarmed black man --> seems more likely the unarmed man is in the wrong (?)

In this context, it is not even a matter of whether the shooter is guilty or not, but the foregone conclusion of many whites when the dead person is black that is so disturbing to me.

Where are Mr. Holder’s special agents in the recent beheading of an innocent woman by a black man?
Why no outcry here, Holder?
This is an obvious brutal, vicious attack on an innocent white woman by a militant black.
No doubt in this incidence; yet no action from Holder.

Again, this is not an apples to apples comparison. The killer is being held FULLY accountable, and it was not a police officer doing the killing.
 HondoGal
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Posted: 10/12/2014 2:47:59 PM

Here is the issue as I see it:

Armed man kills unarmed man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Armed black man kills unarmed black man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Armed black man kills unarmed white man --> seems more likely the armed man is in the wrong

Pretty consistent thus far. ~flly


Consistent only in your mind; not in mine. Never is anything as simplistic as your thinking.
Almost every situation of this sort has extenuating circumstances. This is what our legal system is based on.
It is not based on the silly analogies you posted (Thank God!)

Three hundred pound bully, we’ve all seen the tape where he assaults and menaces a shop owner after stealing goods from his store, attacks a police officer. Most persons when being attacked by a three hundred pound man, will, if they are armed, shoot. Extenuating circumstances.

Another example; if someone were to break into my home, armed or unarmed, I’d shoot them. Extenuating circumstances applicable here as well.

Absolutely Holder is way more corrupt than any other attorney general I’ve heard of. He is right down there with Sharpton and Jesse.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 50
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:05:20 PM
"Holder has an obligation to investigate cases like these where the community has no confidence in the DA to perform an unbiased investigation. "
So, how about that IRS?
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 11/2/2014 3:49:28 PM
"In a nutshell, the IRS collects taxes to fund the government. What else do you want to know about it?"
Hey, thanks for the heads-up. I was a bit confused but you cleared up everything.

Meanwhile, at the plantation: "Obama Asserts Fast and Furious Executive Privilege Claim for Holder’s Wife"
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/ OCTOBER 23, 2014
Judicial Watch announced today that it received from the Obama Department of Justice (DOJ) a “Vaughn index” detailing records about the Operation Fast and Furious scandal. The index was forced out of the Obama administration thanks to JW’s June 2012 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and subsequent September 2012 FOIA lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. Department of Justice (No. 1:12-cv-01510)). A federal court had ordered the production over the objections of the Obama Justice Department.

The document details the Attorney General Holder’s personal involvement in managing the Justice Department’s strategy on media and Congressional investigations into the Fast and Furious scandal. Notably, the document discloses that emails between Attorney General Holder and his wife Sharon Malone – as well as his mother – are being withheld under an extraordinary claim of executive privilege as well as a dubious claim of deliberative process privilege under the Freedom of Information Act. The “First Lady of the Justice Department” is a physician and not a government employee.

This is the first time that the Obama administration has provided a detailed listing of all records being withheld from Congress and the American people about the deadly Fast and Furious gun running scandal. The 1307-page “draft” Vaughn index was emailed to Judicial Watch at 8:34 p.m. last night, a few hours before a federal court-ordered deadline. In its cover letter, the Department of Justice asserts that all of the responsive records described in the index are “subject to the assertion of executive privilege.”

The Vaughn index explains 15,662 documents. Typically, a Vaughn index must: (1) identify each record withheld; (2) state the statutory exemption claimed; and (3) explain how disclosure would damage the interests protected by the claimed exemption. The Vaughn index arguably fails to provide all of this required information but does provide plenty of interesting information for a public kept in the dark for years about the Fast and Furious scandal.

Based on a preliminary review of the massive document, Judicial Watch can disclose that the Vaughn index reveals:

Numerous emails that detail Attorney General Holder’s direct involvement in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter.

President Obama has asserted executive privilege over nearly 20 email communications between Holder and his spouse Sharon Malone. The administration also claims that the records are also subject to withholding under the “deliberative process” exemption. This exemption ordinarily exempts from public disclosure records that could chill internal government deliberations.

Numerous entries detail DOJ’s communications (including those of Eric Holder) concerning the White House about Fast and Furious.

The scandal required the attention of virtually every top official of the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Communications to and from the United States Ambassador to Mexico about the Fast and Furious matter are also described.

Many of the records are already publicly available such as letters from Congress, press clips, and typical agency communications. Ordinarily, these records would, in whole or part, be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Few of the records seem to even implicate presidential decision-making and advice that might be subject to President Obama’s broad and unprecedented executive privilege claim.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton criticized President Obama and his disgraced Attorney General in a statement today:

This document provides key information about the cover-up of Fast and Furious by Attorney General Eric Holder and other high-level officials of the Obama administration. Obama’s executive privilege claims over these records are a fraud and an abuse of his office. There is no precedent for President Obama’s Nixonian assertion of executive privilege over these ordinary government agency records. Americans will be astonished that Obama asserted executive privilege over Eric Holder’s emails to his wife about Fast and Furious.

Once again, Judicial Watch has proven itself more effective than Congress and the establishment media in providing basic oversight of this out-of-control Administration. This Fast and Furious document provides dozens of leads for further congressional, media, and even criminal investigations.

On June 28, 2012, Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt by the House of Representatives over his refusal to turn over records explaining why the Obama administration may have lied to Congress and refused for months to disclose the truth about the gun running operation. It marked the first time in U.S. history that a sitting Attorney General was held in contempt of Congress.

A week before the contempt finding, to protect Holder from criminal prosecution and stave off the contempt vote, President Obama asserted executive privilege over the Fast and Furious records the House Oversight Committee had subpoenaed eight months earlier. Judicial Watch filed its FOIA request two days later. Holder’s Justice Department wouldn’t budge (or follow the law), so JW filed a FOIA lawsuit on September 12, 2012.

But then the Justice Department convinced U.S. District Court Judge John D. Bates to stay our lawsuit, in part to allow ongoing settlement discussions between the Holder’s government lawyers and the House Committee to continue. Unsurprisingly, the “negotiations” between politicians running the House and the Justice Department went nowhere.

Fed up with the interminable delay caused Holder’s gamesmanship and stonewalling, JW renewed its request to the Court to allow our transparency lawsuit to continue. Thankfully, this past July, Judge John D. Bates ended the 16-month delay and ordered the Obama administration to produce a Vaughn index of the alleged “executive privilege” records by October 1. Judge Bates noted that no court has ever “expressly recognized” President Obama’s unprecedented executive privilege claims in the Fast and Furious matter.

Unhappy with having to produce the records prior to the elections, Justice lawyers asked the judge to give them one extra month, until November 3 (the day before Election Day!) to produce the info. Judge Bates rejected this gambit, suggested that the Holder’s agency did not take court order seriously. Rather than a month, Judge Bates gave Justice until yesterday to cough up the Vaughn index. Judge Bates issued his smack down on September 23.

Attorney General Eric Holder announced his resignation two days later.

Many share our opinion it was “no coincidence” that Holder’s resignation came “on the heels of another court ruling that the Justice Department must finally cough up information about how Holder’s Justice Department lied to Congress and the American people about the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, for which Eric Holder was held in contempt by the House of Representatives.”

The House had been separately litigating to obtain the records but had gotten nowhere until after Judge Bates ruled that the DOJ finally had to disclose information to Judicial Watch.

On September 9, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson, citing Judicial Watch’s success, ordered the Justice Department to produce information to Congress by November 3.

Fast and Furious was a DOJ/Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) “gun running” operation in which the Obama administration reportedly allowed guns to go to Mexican drug cartels hoping they would end up at crime scenes, advancing gun-control policies. Fast and Furious weapons have been implicated in the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and hundreds of other innocents in Mexico. Guns from the Fast and Furious scandal are expected to be used in criminal activity on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border for years to come.

Guns from the Fast and Furious scandal continue to be used in crimes. Just last week, Judicial Watch disclosed that a Fast and Furious gun was used in gang -style assault on a Phoenix apartment building that left two people wounded. We figured this out from information we uncovered through another public records lawsuit against the City of Phoenix.

Congress officially confirmed the AK-47 was used in the assault that terrorized residents in Phoenix. In an October 16 letter sent from Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Rep. Darryl Issa (R-CA) to Deputy Attorney General James Cole discloses that “we have learned of another crime gun connected to Fast and Furious. The [Justice] Department did not provide any notice to the Congress or the public about this gun….This lack of transparency about the consequences of Fast and Furious undermines public confidence in law enforcement and gives the impression that the Department is seeking to suppress information and limit its exposure to public scrutiny.”
(excerpted for brevity. lots more to read at this website.)

What's that? Lots of documents that show Eric Holder's knowledge and involvement in Fast & Furious? Oh, my, this look like a major "Oopsie". Maybe it's time to have some "health issues" :) a la Hillary, and walk away before he gets buried in his own slime.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 52
What is (Attorney General) Eric Holder really not talking about?
Posted: 11/2/2014 3:53:47 PM
GreenThumbz18...take a viewpoint opposing the President Obama administration and one can likely use a stopwatch to measure how fast it will take "helpful and friendly" IRS agents to come knocking at the front door.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 11/4/2014 10:12:46 AM
Skooch, If you remove your blinders and accept some facts, it's quite easy to see how Holder and Obama are 2 of the most accomplished liars and criminals ever to draw a U.S. Gov't paycheck. Obama does unscrupulous and illegal things, and Holder backs him up. They both have been caught lying numerous times, but so what? If Holder's tit gets in the ringer, as in "Fast& Furious" he lies some more, knowing that Obama will pardon him anyway. Pretty good setup, eh?
Gun companies admit that they make guns, while Holder DENIES his involvement with "Fast & Furious". Do you see any difference?
In any event, today the voters have another chance to get off the plantation and move back towards individual responsibility. Let's see how it goes.
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