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 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 26
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Given that 6 million people perished during the second world war for their religeon and countless others also perished because of their beliefs or ethnicity Pookie does have a valid point.

If one was to speak with a person who was a POW at the mercy of the Japanese during the second world war then one can understand that person's dislike of the Japanese.

The question posed is are you a racist?

As I can only answer for me then my answer is NO.

Do I condone what the Japanese did, No.

Do I condone what the Nazi's did, No.

An interesting point to consider is that Japan accepts no immigrants what so ever, and if your parents are not Japanese and you were born in Japan, you are not considered by the Japanese to be Japanese and you cannot have dual citizenship but I have not seen anywhere in these posts about that.

I agree that anyone immigrating to Australia should not have their beliefs take over our beliefs.

I also agree that any immigrant can retain their religeous, cultural and ethnic attitudes as I believe that what people can bring to our country should be incorporated into the Australian community without taking over.

We have one holiday for our country, that being Australia day but we do acknowledge the Chinese New Year, Bastille Day, American Independance Day and a few others without having holidays for these.

When I was working for a major hotel and casino, all the chefs came to an agreement when it came to religous holidays, the chefs who are Muslims had their holy days off, the same with the Jewish chefs, the Christian chef had their holy days off.

This system worked well, it wasn't politically correct but we were happy and since our Enterprise Bargaining agreement didn't pay penalty rates no one suffered financially.

Given the chance people can work things out without interference from the do- gooders
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:43:00 AM
tie_me_up

Breaking news! Yet another leaky boat has overturned this morning, with 170 people on board. This will stir the Gillard Govt again, still smarting from the kicking they received in Parliament this week highlighting their incompetence in controlling the trade in illegal entrants.


So? I care about the 170 people drowning, not the clowns in parliament.


It's 180 Ks north of Christmas Island, so that should prompt the Indonesians to help rescue.

But as it seems, the Indonesians have no interest in rescuing these people, their attitude being 'they wanted to get to Australia, so suk it up!'

Bad neighbours!


I think you mean "But as it seems, the Indonesian government has no interest in rescuing these people..." It is only a minor thing that you probably meant to imply, but it does make a big psychological difference to our attitude to our neighbours. It changes the implication from they're all **stards to they're mostly nice people stuck with **stard rulers.

Do you think if our ruling elites do something in their usual callous and narcissitic way that we all think that is what should have been done? Or that even a simple majority of people agree with it?

qldblue:

When I was working for a major hotel and casino, all the chefs came to an agreement when it came to religous holidays, the chefs who are Muslims had their holy days off, the same with the Jewish chefs, the Christian chef had their holy days off.

This system worked well, it wasn't politically correct but we were happy and since our Enterprise Bargaining agreement didn't pay penalty rates no one suffered financially.

Given the chance people can work things out without interference from the do- gooders


Not politically correct? Thats about as PC as you can get! And YES I agree 100% people are far more likely to actually get on with life in peace without government and media to whip up a storm in a chai cup all the time.
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 28
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:03:37 AM
pookie wrote:


my parents were orthodox Jews and their wish was to be buried in the "Promised Land" as was promised to us back in the time of David.....


“The Land of Israel (Hebrew: ????? ???????????? 'Ére? Yisra'el, Eretz Yisrael) is a biblical name for the territory roughly corresponding to the area encompassed by the Southern Levant (also known in English as Canaan, Palestine, Promised Land or simply the Holy Land). The religious belief that the area is a God-given inheritance of the Jewish people is grounded in the Torah, especially the books of Genesis and Exodus, as well as the Prophets. According to the Book of Genesis, the land was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham's grandson. A literal reading of the text suggests that the land promise is (or was at one time) one of the Biblical covenants between God and the Israelites.”

No mention of “David” anywhere Pookie. Which book have you been reading?

You see the problem is, when God promised the Jews Palestinian land, he forgot to tell the Palestinians...and the rest of the world for that matter...so your people have been fighting over it for 3 thousand years. No wonder you are angry.


Any chance you could be a racist yourself...anti Semetic perhaps.......???? ..it was just a random thought


No, I’m not “anti-Semetic” nor am I anti-Semitic (which is the correct spelling you should have used). I can’t imagine anyone not liking your people. You do such wonderful humanitarian work in the Gaza strip, Palestine and Lebanon. My original post didn’t even mention the Jews. You started that. Fragile ego?


You want to help educate and heal me.??? and your qualifications to do that are what ??????????....


Education is the key to world peace and social harmony

Take deep breaths... you seem angry :)
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:17:49 AM
I’m a psychologist with Qld Health


If that is true then it makes your posting style a lot scarier. Do you often play mind-games with your patients? There's been a fair bit of baiting going on here and in other threads that we've been trying to look past, but it's just getting silly. Even mis-spelling Pookies' name is pretty childish. Does psychology extend to self-assessment?
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 30
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:24:09 AM

If that is true then it makes your posting style a lot scarier. Do you often play mind-games with your patients? There's been a fair bit of baiting going on here that we've been trying to look past, but it's just getting silly. Even mis-spelling Pookies' name is pretty childish. Does psychology extend to self-assessment?


Okay..you got me. She was being irrational and I joined in. I should have been the better person. And no I wasn't intentionally baiting her.

If I was a psychologist with a Qld department I wouldn't post it on here. No...I'm not a psychologist.

The original post was never about the Jews...she brought that up, now she is free to justify it. I am not Anti-Semitic, just a little sarcastic when pushed. Sorry about that. Pookies name was not intentionally misspelled. That was a typo. My original post was made with the utmost of seriousness. I think I made a number of vary valid and relevant points.

Pookie can just NOT respond if she chooses. I'm ready to let this go.
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:28:22 AM
^^^ Now shake hands and play nicely
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 32
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:32:57 AM
ginger wrote:


^^^ Now shake hands and play nicely


I have made some changes ginger to my post. My post is now more adult. I hope that pookie gives me a like wise response. Actually, I hope she doesn't say anything. I don't want a decent post rail roaded.
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:51:17 AM
I'm not the PC forum police. Just trying to help keep it on some kind of track and not get the thread deleted (ask tie-me-up about how many feminist threads we've had deleted). Even with the modified post you have some bits (re. anger, ego) that are closer to personal attack than civil converstation.
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 34
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:04:07 AM
Pookie wrote:


..btw I thought you werent going to keep posting on this subject...I guess you couldnt help yourself could you ?..ah the ego is a fragile thing isnt it ?


Ginger wrote:


Even with the modified post you have some bits (re. anger, ego) that are closer to personal attack than civil converstation.


Once again ginger you're spot on...sadly you posted it to the wrong person.
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:40:04 AM
I thought you were going for a fresh start, hence the suggestion to remove the anger and ego references.
But if we're going into the history of the downward spiral here, it got personal further back than that...

GuessWhat1964 wrote:

Yup...I think you just may be.


your anger and hatred and prejudice have been passed on to you by your parents...and I'm afraid you are going to pass it on to your children and grandchildren


Notice I addressed the same posts you did in these remarks, but without putting the personal bait in.

And Pookie, you should know better than responding in kind!
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 36
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:44:57 AM
What the world needs now...is love sweet love. That's the only thing that there's just too little of.

Hmmmm...someone should put that to music :)
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:00:52 AM
Can we just move on now?


Sounds good to me! Case dismissed
 Pookiessooverperth
Joined: 1/23/2012
Msg: 38
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:16:41 PM
Thankyou Ginger....what a true gentleman and a true standing of a man that you are....:)

And thankyou too Qld Blue., like Hilly ...its pleasure knowing you offline as well :)
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 39
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:25:46 PM
ging


So? I care about the 170 people drowning, not the clowns in parliament.


You should also care about putting a stop to people smugglers as they place people in this danger. You should also care about if we should be punishing the parents instead of rewarding them who choose to risk their kids in such danger.

They chose to stack their numbers with children to take expensive, dangerous trips, using trickery all the way.

I think these people should be prosecuted for putting children in such a precarious position, not rewarded with possible settlement in Australia. Values are skewed I'm afraid with our sentiments and better feelings exploited by these people.


It changes the implication from they're all **stards to they're mostly nice people stuck with **stard rulers.


I thought it would be glaringly obvious that I am simply talking about the Indonesian government instead of blaming the whole indonesian population.


Do you think if our ruling


Our? You're doing a similar thing that you're criticising me for lol. But I understand what you really mean.


do something in their usual callous and narcissitic way


What are you considering as callous and narcissistic?
 CPCPCP
Joined: 6/14/2012
Msg: 40
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:37:44 PM
as some one who has worked with and heard their stories of said 'boat people'
I ask... listen to them, hear their stories, get to know them. Your views will change.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 41
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:47:33 PM
CPCPCP

It doesn't mean that they aren't lying through their teeth.

It cost way way way more to come here on a dangerous leaky boat than it does to come in the comfort of a plane. So why do it the more expensive and worse way? Is it because this is a loophole to come with no IDs/documentation? If so, what do they have to hide?

You have to be gullible if you don't see that there is something suspicious going on.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:54:51 PM
Wouldn't be the first time they tried this stunt.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8490538/boat-may-have-been-sabotaged-indonesia

But yet we're supposed to feel sorry for these people.
 CPCPCP
Joined: 6/14/2012
Msg: 43
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:49:10 PM
go talk to them hear their stories

then you can make informed comments
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
Msg: 44
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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:54:50 PM

go talk to them hear their stories

then you can make informed comments


I have no interest in hearing anything until they come here legally. Then I'll sit down with them over a cup of coffee and they can talk away.

Every criminal doing time in Australian jails has a sad tale to tell. Do you listen to them too CP. When is the last time you did some social work at a maximum security prison?
 kmac6
Joined: 1/20/2008
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:31:41 PM
My Dad's a psychologist...... Does that count. lol... Sorry..Me bad. Ha ha ha ...
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 46
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:55:10 PM
Just because they tell where exactly they came from and they were persecuted, it must be the truth god damn it. Regardless if they choose to take the opinion of destroying their documentation which is undeniable proof to their claims lolz. And regardless if they choose this way by doing so when paying around 3 times the amount of money to take the way on a dangerous mission on a leaky boat instead of a comfortable plane that is around 3 times less the amount.

Ya have to wonder haha
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 47
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:00:04 AM
I'm waiting on the emotional blackmailing and ad misericordiam. Ya have to let them all in or else ya racist and unfair, regardless of the circumstances. If they rock up on a boat, that's it. they're above the law.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 48
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:26:16 AM
If the aussie governments just keeps allowing these people to randomly rock up on a boat, 30 years plus down the track, Australia will be full of poor homeless people and crime rates sky high just like the poor countries these people come from due to the lack of welfare funding.

So basically, the people who support to just easily allow anyone to rock up on a boat, they are really supporting Australia's future to be like the 3rd word countries as of now.
 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 49
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:58:52 AM
What ever happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty?

If Australia was fair dinkum about solving the boat people then all options must be considered.

In principle off shore processing sounds like a good idea, people can be housed properly and safely until the processing system can be finalised, surely this is a preferred option than having people set sail in a leaky boat.

But this thread has gotten away from the topic.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 50
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Posted: 6/28/2012 4:13:45 AM
I'm not a rapist or kiddie fiddler, even though I try to hide the evidence that if or not i am. Ya gotta believe me.
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