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 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 26
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So then, are you happy about all the people around the country being shot because of laws which restrict the right to carry guns?

Colorado IS a "concealed carry" state... It is also a "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" state... I think you need to revise your thesis as those facts tend to make it sound incredibly ludicrous (not to mention ignorant of reality)...

Colorado has all the elements necessary for your assertion and yet not one of them made any difference... particularly to the victims...
 onlydateIF
Joined: 11/15/2011
Msg: 27
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 3:59:15 PM
even worse than the NRA comment (which could have been an ignorant error), was the comment from celeboutique trying to use the occasion to try to sell kim kardashian dresses. one just cant go any lower, and I think there should be a boycott on kim kardashian everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 28
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 4:18:39 PM
(yawn) blah blah blah...weakness of your arguments?

No one on this thread but YOU, mentioned repealing the second amendment...however some common sense approaches seem appropriate. Automatic weapons seem fit for warfare, not for home use. 30 round clips or magazines are not neccessary to enjoy your guns. The efficiency of these killings correlate directly to the firepower of the weapons these wackos select...

"There is good evidence that guns save more lives than they take in this country"

Oh really? Why not tell that to the 10,000 victims EVERY year for the last 8 who died of gun violence. Or their families and friends...

"You still haven't explained what basis there would have been for prohibiting Holmes from having guns"

Duh! Since all we have is sketchy information on him, how would I know that? Even given that, could he have done as much damage WITHOUT clips or magazines with so many rounds? AGAIN, this isn't the 19th century where you had to protect the family from wild animals or indian raids...the only ones who need such firepower is the military.
 balrog67
Joined: 4/1/2012
Msg: 29
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 4:22:16 PM
Instead of covering up the weakness of your arguments, it highlights it.


There is no weakness in the argument that someone else being armed in that theater would be virtually worthless against an armored assailant. The obvious weakness in this thread so far is your bizarre contention that more armed people equals less crime or death. What a crock. More armed people means criminals will escalate their violence in response to the increased threat against them. That's just Human Nature 101.

You clearly have never been in combat or a gun battle where someone is actually shooting back at you. The default result is that more bullets fly - and miss - putting even more innocents at risk. The solution here would have had to involve actions taken before this psycho entered the theater, not after.

A possible solution, that you do not respect, is to actually make it harder for people to acquire assault rifles - which is the only weapon this guy used. Yes, they have been available for 'some time now'. Ya know why? Because the NRA keeps selling their happy horseshit that one MUST have an AR-15 to kill bambi - such is the apparent incompetence of the mighty hunter....

But you and I both know that's not the real reason to sell as many assault rifles as possible - or why politicians need to be bought by NRA lobbyists. The REAL reason is to take full advantage of the Frightened Little Man Syndrome. We should all be thankful for the strategy of encouraging chickenshits to carry guns. It gives us great Americans like George Zimmerman.

Yeah, let's make sure 10% of all movie goers now have assault rifles - with armor piercing bullets - at the next Ice Age movie. That's no doubt precisely what the framers of the constitution had in mind with a well-regulated militia.....
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 30
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 4:24:17 PM

So then, are you happy about all the people around the country being shot because of laws which restrict the right to carry guns?

I forgot to mention... Colorado also allows "open carry" (which MIGHT explain how he was able to get to the theatre with a rifle in tow and nobody ask any questions)... I guess that REALLY shows the "ignorance of reality" in your thesis...
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 31
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 4:56:07 PM
@ Nr 11 ...


" ... When will we finally deal with this problem. When will we finally realize that crazy people can buy guns far too easily. Now lets wait and hear from all the gun wackos on the site! ... "


YOU, as a private, uninformed, individual, have every right to make a personal decision to not own or use firearms - for yourself. I, and everyone else, as private individuals, are GUARANTEED the RIGHT to 'keep and bear arms' for personal defense against tyranny in all forms and, if necessary, our government. The right to personal protection is a natural right. It is not one that can be denied at the whim of some 'oh-guns-are-bad-nobody-should-own-one' nanny-state control freak. It is included in our fee simple bundle of HUMAN rights we get at birth. If others choose to never purchase or learn to use a firearm, that's on them. If they can't defend themselves when the time comes, that's on them. If they become a statistic as a result of their choice to remain unarmed and unable to defend themself and their family, that's on them. They do NOT have a right to dictate that everyone else do as they do - but you obviously believe that you somehow have that right. Here's the latest news: You DON'T.

The fact that this and every other movie house in the US is classed as a 'gun-free zone' merely means that there was NO ONE present with a LAWFUL means of stopping this assault on unarmed citizens. Just like Virgina Tech. Just like Columbine. Every 'Gun Free Zone' in the country needs to be reclassified as a 'Killing Field' because the message that sign sends to a criminal is that there is NO ONE present with the means to stop them from killing as many people as they can - or want to - before they're stopped by law enforcement ... who are never on-site when the shooting starts.

The fact that CO is an 'open carry' state is irrelevant when it comes to bringing weapons into a theatre because they're considered 'gun free zones'. So much for that 'argument' ... seems there's more than one way to be 'ignorant of reality'.
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 32
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Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:14:08 PM
You can have all the gun control in the US, that's not going to stop guys like this man from getting one and doing what he did. So he couldn't buy a gun legally he'll just find one from underground connections via gangs. iilegal arms trade is a huge ongoing problem and many of these illegal arms that come into the U.S. are goming from South America and North Korea. All gun control will do is prevent those that are good from protecting themself and allow criminals to go around continuing to use guns to terrorize innocent people, because criminals could care two craps less about laws they will just use gun control to their advantage instead.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 33
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:21:08 PM
Society has again... failed.

His neighbors didn't knew anything about him, why not?

He kept to himself, why?

One neighbor, called police about his repetitive music being played and trusted her instincts enough not to open his door, (smart) to complain to his face. Did the police not listen to her? Did she tell the police this was abnormal and kind of weird? If so, did they take her seriously?

Another neighbor said "Hi" to the killer, he was ignored and even saw him packing two big black bags. In hindsight he speaks up about his suspicion. Why didn't that neighbor trust his instinct? Didn't want to appear foolish? Was afraid to get involved? Was afraid for himself?

The killer was fcked up and it seems only his mother might have been aware of this. Did she give up battling the system? His doctors and others?

He was angry and dramatic. Why so angry? What fueled his fire? Meds? Violence? The economy? Pride?

Why did he drop out of school? Too much stress? High expectations? Did he feel like an outcast?

Why, oh why, did he have access to guns in the first place? Someone MUST have known he shouldn't have.


As long as we keep living in a sick society, sick things will happen.

What are you going to do to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in your neighborhood? Follow your instincts? Know your neighbor? Make sure nut bars are kept far away from killing machines? Stop buying into the media's idea of what is "good" to watch, hear, provoke?

What the hell happened to this guy that he was so extreme? Are you going to make sure that all the sick shit that was put into his body doesn't get put into yours or your children's?

Paying attention instead of paying the price afterwards is a better bargain than free movie tickets and a sh*t load of "I should haves".

p.s. don't let your gov't or society decide what will be done different because of this, they allowed it in the first place. It's up to all of us as individuals to take responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen again.

To the families and friends, my heart goes out to you.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 34
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:22:58 PM
The fact that this and every other movie house in the US is classed as a 'gun-free zone' merely means that there was NO ONE present with a LAWFUL means of stopping this assault on unarmed citizens.
...
The fact that CO is an 'open carry' state is irrelevant when it comes to bringing weapons into a theatre because they're considered 'gun free zones'. So much for that 'argument' ... seems there's more than one way to be 'ignorant of reality'.

Exactly WHICH FEDERAL LAW makes "this and every other movie house in the US" a "gun-free zone"...? Do you have the title of the statute which MANDATES this...? What makes it UNLAWFUL to carry a gun onto private property (in CO)...? What are the penalties for violating this hypothetical law (a law is required for it to be unlawful)...?

Or are you, in fact, suggesting that PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS don't have the RIGHT to make that determination for themselves...? Are YOU advocating the infringement or denial of their CONSTITUTIONAL AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS...? Are you suggesting that the Constitution applies not only to the acts of the feds but ALSO to the acts of the states and PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS on their PRIVATE PROPERTY...?

Is that what you are actually advocating...?
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 35
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:29:53 PM
steel

thats a good point mate and also the one about anders breivik in norway. there
was also the folk shot and killed in in france recently.

and in the uk we had the hungerford killings where 16 were killed and 15 wounded
then the dunblane massacre which claimed 16 children and one adult.
then there was the 12 folk killed and 11 injured by a lone gunman in cumbria

then the mess that was northern ireland

never having been around guns i would err to caution but i do wonder sometimes
about the massacres that occured in the uk and what a pity no one had the wherewithal
to put one in the napper of the rodents before the death toll rose.

sad day though for you folk over the pond
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 36
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:33:54 PM
thats a good point mate and also the one about anders breivik in norway. there
was also the folk shot and killed in in france recently.

and in the uk we had the hungerford killings where 16 were killed and 15 wounded
then the dunblane massacre which claimed 16 children and one adult.
then there was the 12 folk killed and 11 injured by a lone gunman in cumbria

And WHAT, exactly, is the TOTAL BODY COUNT from such incidents in gun control countries vs the US in the last decade or two alone...? What is the frequency of these incidents in gun control countries vs the US in that same period...?
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 37
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:39:12 PM
@ Nr 42 ...

Too lazy to do your own research ... ? Obviously. In future, do your own searches. See ya.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990.

It was subsequently declared to be an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution by the United States Supreme Court, and was therefore voided. This case, United States v. Lopez (1995), was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.

In a 2005 Appellate case, United States v Dorsey, the minor changes of the revised law were specifically challenged. In the Dorsey case, the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the minor changes were indeed sufficient to correct the issues that had caused the original 1990 law to be struck down in United States v Lopez, and they upheld Dorsey's conviction under the revised version of the law.

The Gun Free School Zones Act states:[6]

(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is— (I) not loaded; and (II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

(3) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the person knows is a school zone. (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;

(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual; or

(iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity.

(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 38
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:46:40 PM
Too lazy to do your own research ... ? Obviously. In future, do your own searches. See ya.
....
The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990.
...
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
....
(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.

And this applies to movie theatres (or private property in general) in WHAT way, exactly...?

Too lazy to do your own thinking...? Obviously. In future, try thinking first...
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:49:31 PM
whats the point your trying to make?

is it some kind of competition of victims you seek? or are you trying, once
again, to be the obnoxious confrontational poster?

the total body count from the european countries is enough considering
we have gun control

what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?

is your use of caps lock meant to mean something? are you trying to be
the new (self)proclaimed intellectual know it all who posts on here?

a load of folk have just been murdered and your posting like a div

your not controversial, your not cutting edge, in fact you could pass for the pub bore
very easily.

if you need to show your intellectual prowess against us mere mortals feel free.

it took you to page 2 before you mentioned the victims but carry on mate. your making a pure
fvckin trotters of yourself
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 40
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 5:54:03 PM
Well first off, if we check the manufacturing of small arms, neither North Korea or any country in South America are in the top 15 in manufacturing of them. The highest producers of small arms is FIRST the USA, and Russia, everyone else comes in a distant 3rd...we produce 4 million hand guns a year...why would we need someone to smuggle them here? You can go down the street and get one for $50, on many corners in the worst area of town.

So much for that statement!

Now as to my other pal who calls me "uninformed" and "nanny-state control freak" or that I "believe that you somehow have that right"...Unlike you and your buddies, who use the constitution like toilet paper, shredding it to suit your individual desires...I am utilizing my right to "free speech"...or is that only allowed to you? LOL

As for your "GUARANTEED the RIGHT to 'keep and bear arms' for personal defense"..that only goes as far as owning them, yes no one is trying to take your toy away, or is it nipple? The reason this was a 'killing field' was because he could discharge multiple bullets without reloading, as in assault rifle...

"tyranny in all forms and, if neccessary, our government"

Yeah, why don't you try that? Why not take a stroll down to the white house and pull out your weapon of choice and try and discharge it? Be sure to let me know how that works out for ya! Hahahahahaha!!

You guys talk a big game, but your all full of it. Like another poster mentioned "scared little men"...like the teabaggers who show up and carry around guns..

Like I said, 10,000 gun deaths a year, who knows how many are wounded...and the beat goes on! 800 million guns owned world wide...and we have 225 million of them right here in the usa...out of our total population only 20% own guns...

you guys crack me up...
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 41
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:04:42 PM
it took you to page 2 before you mentioned the victims but carry on mate. your making a pure fvckin trotters of yourself

Actually, you may want to go look at my first post... nr. 12...

whats the point your trying to make?

My point should be obvious to anyone without blinkers on... If gun control reduces body counts then it is better than no control at all... I hope that explanation wasn't too deep...

is your use of caps lock meant to mean something?

Well, first off, I used the 'shift' key, not the 'caps lock'... second, it's for emphasis (you know, trying to make it at least somewhat conversational by emphasizing the words I would emphasize if I spoke them)... I hope that wasn't too deep either...

what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?

I might be mistaken about this but, didn't a lot of their guns (or at least the money to buy them from others) come from the US...? Wasn't the US like, the second biggest supplier...?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 42
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:06:50 PM

what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?


Lets put it in perspective. 10,000 people a year are killed in the US by guns. Between 1969 and 2001, 3,526 people were killed as a result of the Troubles. So during a particularly violent period of near civil war, in 32 years about 1/3 of the number of people killed every year in the US were killed in Northern Ireland.

And someone actually claimed that guns were being brought into the US from elsewhere? Would those be the same criminal gangs that are smuggling cocaine into Columbia? Or sneaking sand into Saudi Arabia? Hell, even at the gun markets in the Somalia half the guns there started in the US.
 Irish Eyez
Joined: 12/30/2008
Msg: 43
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:07:40 PM
--could be that if we were more accustomed to open carry and folks less afraid of firearms, someone in the crowd could have taken the guy out before 14 lost their lives and more injured. Yep, I'm a gun rights wacko. :))


Right, that's exactly what was needed. Another bloody eejit firing a weapon in a dark, crowded movie theater with mass hysteria and people running and hiding.

Honestly, I truly despair when I read such a half-baked retort such as this.
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 44
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:14:53 PM
Well first off, if we check the manufacturing of small arms, neither North Korea or any country in South America are in the top 15 in manufacturing of them. The highest producers of small arms is FIRST the USA, and Russia, everyone else comes in a distant 3rd...we produce 4 million hand guns a year...why would we need someone to smuggle them here? You can go down the street and get one for $50, on many corners in the worst area of town


I think you missed the point in regards to you can have all the gun control you want in this country it doesn't matter because people will go find them elsewhere from other means that have ties to gun smuggling. As for gun control, Mexico and Colombia are gun control countries and they are the two biggest murderous countries in the western hemisphere from gun violence. So soo much for your statement in trying to control guns by using gun control as a means to do it.

There are more guns in this world then there are people. Guns have been around since the 1500's. if you think you can somehow control guns as if that's just going to suddenly stop people from getting them, you're dreaming. We tried that with illegal drugs and how well has that been working for us? Pot is the most highly sought after illegal drug and we tried to control it for years and did that stop criminals from smuggling it and bringing it over to the U.S.? Nope Crack is another example of that as well. You try to ban guns in this country and the same thing will happen like with illegal drugs. Guns like illegal drugs are here to stay and there isn't anything that's going to stop them from continuing to come into this country and people from getting them.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:16:39 PM
what? you mean that line below?

''And, apparently, one of the victims just missed being in the midst of the shooting in Toronto's Eaton Centre last month...''

and that had what to do with what happened at the cinema? thats last month you mention. so yes it was page 2 before any victim got a mention

and who is disputing anything about gun control? show me where i mentioned anything about it?

oh your mutterings are always deep and meaningful. the voice of a generation type thing.
i am in awe

the last bit went way over my head though seeing as how im not a forum intellectual (LIKE yoU)

you still rival the paint drying channel in the must watch/read/listen to stakes though
i hope that explanation wasnt to shallow?

lol



halftime
n June 2010 it is estimated there were 1.799 million people living in Northern Ireland; with 21.2% being children (aged under 16) and 17.1% males aged 65+ and females aged 60+.

thats the population of northern ireland. and i was just making the point that murder happens in our countries as well. im not justifying guns in anyway i thought you might have seen that
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 46
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:27:34 PM
what? you mean that line below?

''And, apparently, one of the victims just missed being in the midst of the shooting in Toronto's Eaton Centre last month...''

and that had what to do with what happened at the cinema? thats last month you mention. so yes it was page 2 before any victim got a mention

Did you see those words there...? the ones that say "one of the victims"... And yet, somehow you seem to miss that...

Did you see those other words there...? the ones that say "just missed being in the midst of the shooting in Toronto's Eaton Centre last month"...

In other words (I can't believe I actually have to explain the meaning of this)... One of the victims (at the theatre given that is what the thread is about) narrowly missed being a possible victim at a shooting one month earlier (only to become a victim at the theatre as that is what the thread is about)... I find that incredibly sad, especially for the family having to endure one near miss only to have it happen for real a month later...

Now... did you REALLY not understand that or were you attempting to be intentionaly obtuse...?

you still rival the paint drying channel in the must watch/read/listen to stakes though
i hope that explanation wasnt to shallow?

Well then... why do you bother reading and responding...? I can only assume, given your comment, that you enjoy watching paint dry... I'm glad I could amuse you...

and who is disputing anything about gun control? show me where i mentioned anything about it?

From msg 47

is it some kind of competition of victims you seek? or are you trying, once again, to be the obnoxious confrontational poster?

the total body count from the european countries is enough considering
we have gun control


what about the thousands killed in nothern ireland? where there is gun control?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 47
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:30:44 PM
I just wanted to put it in perspective. The Troubles were extraordinary. The violence was newsworthy worldwide. Yet never once during those decades would Belfast have made the list of most violent cities if it had been moved to America.

And all the funding and guns for the Provos came from America. If there had been gun control in America in 1969, it never would have escalated beyond brick throwing.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:33:25 PM
im a painter and decorator to trade so yes i watch lots of paint dry

and yep there is a certain amount of amusement as you try so very hard
to get folk to bite at your yawwwn 'controversial' drones

see the murders have now been steered away and its now a case of you and others
like you trying to stir up shite

quite sad really but hey? its par for the course


half time

most of the ira weapons came from the former eastern bloc
and north africa

while substantial amounts of weapons for the loyalists came from
south africa

it was a lot of folk to be killed in a country and population that size

 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 49
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:43:26 PM
I heard about this right before I left for work today. How tragic and unnecessary. These random shootings seem to be getting all too common, especially in Colorado. I can only conclude that it is one of the saddest side effects of having a gun oriented culture as we do. It is really difficult to know what to do about it outside of measures that end up being largely symbolic.

I suggest looking at a synopsis of the obscure movie "Rampage" if you want to see some spooky parallels-- I wouldn't suggest actually watching it as it is very disturbing, but it shows how much life can imitate art.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 50
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/20/2012 6:43:37 PM
I knew an Irish guy who lived in Chicago during this time. There was open fund raising for terrorists in the US at that time.

This is from Wiki:

By 1972, the IRA had large quantities of modern small arms, particularly Armalite rifles, manufactured and purchased in the United States. The AR-18 rifle in particular was found to be very well suited to the Provisionals' purposes as its small size and folding stock meant that it was easy to conceal. Moreover, it was capable of rapid fire and fired a high velocity round which provided great "stopping power".[8]
The IRA's main gun runner in the USA was George Harrison, an IRA veteran, resident in New York since 1938. Harrison bought guns for the IRA from a Corsican arms dealer named George de Meo, who had connections in organised crime. Joe Cahill acted as the contact between NORAID and Harrison. In 1971, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) had already seized 700 modern weapons from the IRA, including 2 tonnes of high explosive and 157,000 rounds of ammunition, most of which were US made.[9]


The Armalite AR-18 - obtained by the IRA from the US in the early 1970s and an emotive symbol of its armed campaign.
Harrison spent an estimated US$1 million in the 1970s purchasing over 2,500 guns for the IRA.[10] According to Brendan Hughes, an IRA member who later became Officer Commanding of the IRA inside Long Kesh prison, the IRA smuggled small arms from America by sea on the Queen Elizabeth II from New York via Southampton,[8] through Irish members of her crew, until the network was cracked down by the FBI in the 1980s.[11] These Queen Elizabeth II shipments included M16, CAR-15, AR-18 and AR-15 Armalite assault rifles, accompanied by Browning pistols and Smith & Wesson pistols and revolvers and were driven from Southampton to Belfast in small consignments.[citation needed]
In the late 1970s, another IRA member, Gabriel Megahey, was sent to America to acquire more arms and he was able to procure more AR-15 Armalites, plus a number of Heckler & Koch rifles and other weapons. Again, the purchase of these weapons was funded by Irish American republicans.[12] A batch of M60 machine guns was imported in 1977.[13]
Harrison was arrested by the FBI in 1981, but acquitted at his trial.[10] Megahey was arrested by the FBI in 1982 after a successful "sting operation", where he was trying to purchase surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) for the IRA, and sentenced to seven years in prison.[12]
In 1984, the FBI warned Ireland that a major IRA arms shipment was underway from the U.S., and that the weaponry would be transferred to an Irish fishing trawler in the Atlantic. Subsequently, Irish authorities discovered that arms ship was a vessel named Marita Ann, allegedly after a tip off Sean O'Callaghan, an IRA informant for Garda Síochána (Irish police).[10] Three Irish Naval Service ships confronted the vessel off the coast of County Kerry, and prevented its escape by firing warning shots. A team of naval personnel and Garda officers boarded the ship, arresting the crew of five and confiscating seven tons of military equipment, as well as medications, training manuals, and communications equipment.
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