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 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 141
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^^^ Good post and eloquently stated.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 142
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 11:50:06 AM

Yes, you can dictate who dates YOU but you do not get to set that rule for the general population nor to point fingers and blast those who do not fit your parameters/requirements as you do in your comments. As I said, and you apparently agree, it is your personal choice not to date separated men and I think everybody agrees that your choice must be respected. Sorry, but the world does not revolve around you and you get to dictate only in your own back yard.

My world does indeed revolve around me, just as yours revolves around you. And let's be straight here ~ you took my post personal, rather than what it was ~ what works for me. You jumped/blasted first, I simply responded.

Thanks for bringing that article of law, now we know that:

- Starting in 2010 separated children 19 years or younger cannot be refused health insurance coverage based on pre-existing conditions, so no more excuses, excuses, excuses, they must get a divorce ASAP or stop dating immediately.

- Those above 19 years of age in need of care NOW, with medical treatments that might not be necessarily life saving but none the less very needed and expensive, can simply and happily wait and postpone treatment until 2014 so that Obama care will kick in, IF it will, so that they can get a divorce NOW and be rid of excuses, excuses, excuses. Don't you just feel better just thinking about it?

Actually, I'd feel a whole lot better about it had my son lived long enough to be eligible for Obamacare, but that's my own issue. (And he and I weren't even married, but it would have been reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally nice for him to have had the benefits that are now available.)

Or why it took another 13 months after that to have it finally heard in court. Maybe we should ask the Judge what her EXCUSE was for that, shall we? After all Westlaw tells us the dockets aren't that full, does it?

I dunno. I looked, the dockets are public record. What was that Judge doing? You'd have to ask her.

The truth??? The truth is that WE ARE talking about life, divorce is a huge event in anyone life but you dismiss it as if it was like going to the hair dresser on a bad hair day or taking care of a chipped fingernail. Most of the times how long it takes for the legal process to complete is beyond our control, unless one has no children and no property. There are situations that mandate, as decent human beings, to hold off on taking certain actions as Janet Always so simply explained. Yet you feel the need and think have the right to tell those of us who are currently separated to place our life on hold, accusing us to bring just excuses, excuses, excuses for not getting divorced, like the situation is very appealing to us.

I have NO right to tell anyone how to live their life except myself. Yet, you feel you have the right to tell me I'm full of crap because I know for a fact, for every excuse there IS a remedy. Might not be tomorrow or next week, but it exists. And you're advocating for insurance fraud and that flatly irritates me personally. You are advocating that it's OK to lie, stating you are married, living as a married couple, yet you're out here trying to score your next spouse. Yeah, that's something that should not only get me up in arms, but everyone else here that pays into the US system or has the misfortune of paying egregious health care premiums because many are not honest about who's who and who's living where and why there are spouses on policies which are not truly spouses. All "nobility" aside? It's fraud and I help pay for it.

Like someone just stated, there is more in life than black and white, fortunately there are people that understand that and fortunately enough I'm not color blind. Happy fishing to you as well. :-)

Nothing in life is black or white. I don't think that's even been called into question. What you posted nastily to me is that I'm wrong. Well, you're right. I'm all sorts of wrong ~~ FOR YOU. This does not mean others would agree with you, me or the Tooth Fairy. You wanna talk about how you are doing something noble by fraudulently keeping someone insured? Fine, let's talk. You wanna blame me because I read/research for a living? Fine, not the first time. You wanna talk about life and living it honorably and honestly? Get a divorce, get her insurance of her own, pull up the big girl/boy panties and get on with it. Clearly, as you indicate, this is a pre-existing condition ~ who paid for her care before you rode in on the stallion? Who's gonna pay after that stallion dies, is buried and decomposed? Likely me, in part, because that's why I pay my taxes. For those who have not and need. That's REAL life.

~OT~ To each their own. I gave up retirement, health insurance, a second income and too many assets to cry over when I opted to be single 12 years ago. He took me for a financial ride. Why is that OK? It was OVER. Time for me to begin to live again, versus dying in a marriage that was lifeless. Do I understand those who opt to stay for their own reasons? Sure. Do I think it's noble for someone to commit fraud at my expense? Uhhhmmm...NO. That's why I pay taxes ~ so those without have a fair chance to have some sort of health benefits and for those who honestly need the assistance. But? To each their own. Nobility and honesty mean different things to different people. JMO
 Janet_Always
Joined: 6/20/2012
Msg: 143
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 12:00:36 PM

And you're advocating for insurance fraud and that flatly irritates me personally.

Insurance fraud for keeping a spouse on insurance when you're separated? I don't know where you get your legal info from, but I personally walked down to HR and discussed this in detail BEFORE offering the extended separated status for him to stay on my policy. At the same time I changed my beneficiary on life insurance and 401k which required the spouses signature.

I'm fairly confident my company does not condone fraud. Nor do I.
 nativerock
Joined: 10/16/2010
Msg: 144
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 12:05:45 PM

Insurance fraud for keeping a spouse on insurance when you're separated?


If you are doing a legal separation instead of divorce so that you can maintain health insurance coverage check the policy language carefully. Some insurance companies include language which will cause coverage to lapse in the event of a legal separation. Be sure you are still covered, don’t take it for granted.
 EG63
Joined: 1/13/2010
Msg: 145
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 1:34:51 PM
Hi Richard

Yes, the tag is a preservative. Give up too much info online and you will find someone unknown at your doorstep.
I live in my own home alone when the kids aren't here, I own my car and I can pass any test a woman wants to put me through if I set my status to single, widowed or divorced. But then what? If you finally find a decent human being and the moment of truth comes knocking on your door as invariably happens, what will you tell her? Another lie to cover the first one? Lies got short legs, not worth losing someone special over it. You are right, separated people who are truly separated and so state in their profile are, in my opinion, the most sincere men out there.

Fakes are everywhere just like in normal life, absolutely, they come in all shapes and colors. There is a thread I saw today in which a woman dates a "separated" man who is still living with the supposed to be ex wife, just in an opposing part of the house (doghouse?). Then she finds out that he needs to stop seeing her because the "ex wife" told him to quit or get out. Talking about being gullible. Who got the heat? Separated men of course. Unbelievable!

Hi verygreeneyez

- I wouldn't consider your first comment to me, or any subsequent one for that matter, very friendly and you got answered in kind.
- I do not advocate any insurance fraud! The same insurance premium is still being payed by one of the spouses as it was before the separation. The insurance company isn't paid any less and you are not paying any more. On the contrary, if the spouse without health insurance because of divorce can't afford or can't be granted for any reason a new insurance and he/she get sick, guess who picks up the tab for the emergency room? Any honest and noble thoughts about that? You did not think that those state and local medical resources you mentioned before are free or provided by the tooth fairy, right?
- Of course there is a remedy for everything and with time everything gets taken care of, but don't ask me to wait one minute more than is necessary, I got one life and one life only and got no time to waste into the past.
- I'm sorry for what life has thrown at you, but for what you are telling me you are the poster child of how it doesn't matter how many years have passed since someone has separated or divorced, it's a personality and not a number situation. Some people heal their wounds faster than others.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 146
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 2:07:44 PM

If you are doing a legal separation instead of divorce so that you can maintain health insurance coverage check the policy language carefully. Some insurance companies include language which will cause coverage to lapse in the event of a legal separation. Be sure you are still covered, don’t take it for granted.

Exactly. Other than in: Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Texas do not recognize separations, be they a legal separation or not. In these states? You're pretty much on your own.

Insurance fraud for keeping a spouse on insurance when you're separated? I don't know where you get your legal info from, but I personally walked down to HR and discussed this in detail BEFORE offering the extended separated status for him to stay on my policy. At the same time I changed my beneficiary on life insurance and 401k which required the spouses signature.

I get my information just like everyone who's informed ~ via media I receive at my office or by researching.
As I've mentioned to you previously? CA is a rare state. The laws the govern there are not necessarily the
laws that the rest of us follow. If you wish to read about insurance and divorce, I had our Insurance
Specialist email me the following (keep in mind, this is NOT from me, rather from an Attorney who
specializes in prosecuting those who commit said fraud, by Federal Statutes, not by individual state, as those
laws are sole/separate. And this is not in legal verbiage, rather what anyone may
or may not understand given their individual skills.
http://www.ehow.com/how_6174959_remove-ex_husband-health-insurance.html
Due to the fact the poster above is not divorced, he's within his rights to keep his estranged wife on his policy. Well, assumably. Is it morally/ethically right? I don't know. I'd not feel good about it. There is COBRA
for those who are divorcing, so I can't understand the need for keeping someone insured when it's only
logical to separate lives, but that's just me. In his particular state? The date of legal separation
is the date the parties move apart and live separately. This means, by his state AND federal statutes,
he should have offered her COBRA options and she would move to her own sole/separate policy in time.
NOT doing so or NOT diclosing (such as you did) is fraud. I don't write the laws, I just read em and ponder
how/why my dollars support those who choose to act fraudulently or do not diligently take care of their own personal business at my (and YOUR) expense. Wanna be free and single? Take care of the business at hand ~ just as you did. You talked to HR. You tried to handle your legal situation to the best of your abilities at that time (is what I'm getting.) Yet, you seem to advocate for those who don't. **shrugs** We all have our "causes" and I think it's great that there are cheerleaders for the masses. I personally have issues with those who think they can insure the masses when our troops, our college students and our less fortunate are going without medical care, but that's just my soap-box. To each their own.

~OT~ Divorce, don't. Live together for infinity, or join a poly-household and live with multiple people. Makes no difference to me until I'm helping to pay your bills. And this? Coming from a Liberal. How funny. To each their own. JMO
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 147
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 2:10:49 PM
"- I'm sorry for what life has thrown at you, but for what you are telling me you are the poster child of how it doesn't matter how many years have passed since someone has separated or divorced, it's a personality and not a number situation. Some people heal their wounds faster than others." lol

We all make choices in who we date, one way is not better than the others. I tend to give some folks a little room, the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong. And if they fail to be truthful, it will come out. Again, it's the colour reference or the building of walls. And if someone has to bring up what happened 12 years ago and that is their only frame of reference...yup, the hold grudges and haven't healed. Everyone on here has been hurt in one way or another, some wear it on their sleeves for all the world to see and some just deal. I heal and deal and move on.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 148
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/2/2012 7:09:47 PM
OMG-
How in the HELL did this thread get over into insurance and COBRA issues??

Look...if for some reason a person is in process of dissolving their marriage, and are in a required waiting period, or have genuinely set up a LEGAL "married but living separately" arrangement, being TRUTHFUL about your status may reduce your dating pool. A lot of people just don't want to get into the middle of a marriage that is in dissolution process. Even if you haven't lived with your lawfully wedded but legally separated spouse for a decade, you are NOT free to marry someone else. Some people will not give a rats' rear end about that, others will. Lying about or mispresenting your legal marital status is WRONG.

Yes there may be an EXCELLENT reason why you cannot truthfully identify yourself as divorced-but people you are trying to date have the right to know that all the formalities of divorce have not been completed.
If you find that reduces the size ,or(supposed) quality of your dating pool-well, those are the breaks.
It does no good to get up on a soapbox, beat your chest, berate the people who chose to date only people who are officially and legally single. If being separated seems to be a huge hindrance to dating, and a source of discomfort, irritation, even angst-then perhaps its' decision time...do you want to continue whatever it is that keeps you from making your divorce official, or do you want hassle-free dating opportunities? You don't get to have it both ways, and if your solution is to LIE about your status, please be aware that this is PRECISELY the kind of behavior that makes so many people veer away from dating candidates who are not OFFICIALLY single.

Instead of helping to solve the problem you are just making it worse for not only yourself, but for every other person who cannot quickly and completely sever the marriage bond for whatever cause or reason.

TELL THE TRUTH about your marital status. You may have very good reasons for not being able to rapidly conclude and formally end your marriage,but there are single, dating -interested people whose personal values and/or past experiences inform their choice to eschew dating people who are not fully and officially disentangled from their most recent marriage.
To step back to the initial point made in the OT- why is this news? Why should someone get accolades because he decided to quit lying about his official marital status?


The point here being that honesty had saved me countless hours of explaination and frustration. And most of all created a reputation as honest.

Why does this need to be some pronouncement of a great and mighty revelation? Genuinely honest people don't need to be told about the "rewards" of honesty, and they don't give a minutes' thought to "creating a reputation as honest".
I don't know about anybody else-but I EXPECT to be told the truth-I don't give out "rewards" for honesty. If I find that I'm being treated with DIShonesty- I simply sever association with the dishonest person.


Interests have increased dramatically, and I still hold on to the honesty mindset. This mindset goes deeper than just a profile. It goes to the steps after the meeting. The goals, the deal breakers, the intentions. Always keep an interested person in the loop with what you are thinking and what you are hoping.


I'm sorry, but its' been my experience and observation that TRULY HONEST people don't need to make speeches about it.
Cindy O
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 149
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 6:13:18 AM
"How in the HELL did this thread get over into insurance and COBRA issues??"

Because some people don't want to let other's have their own opinion, some folks need to be "right".

Everyone should tell the truth about their marital status. There is a fit for everyone, some won't mind if a person is separated while other's will. wtf cares. Find someone that fits you.
 willowgrrl
Joined: 5/26/2012
Msg: 150
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 1:49:40 PM
Janet_Always, I agree with you regarding men. The MYTH says they want to be fancy free but the reality is they are very very needy, and will go to extreme lenghts to attach to women. In my experience most women adore their independence and have to fight tooth and nail to keep it. We don't generally stalk, men do. We don't break down doors to get at men, they do, etc. etc. etc. So most of we who have lived, know that statistically it is men who need relationships. We have learned to do life on our own. Relationships are a nice option, when desired. Period.

Thanks for stating that. I get so tired of being put in the pursuer department when I have the police on speed dial, to keep the men from crawling in the windows to force me into their lives, unwanted.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 151
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 2:22:14 PM
"Thanks for stating that. I get so tired of being put in the pursuer department when I have the police on speed dial, to keep the men from crawling in the windows to force me into their lives, unwanted." wtf. Is this you whole life or one or two men you've come across. Seems to me just by your post you're the only one in this dire a position. I'd maybe check my picking skills.

Generalizations do not mean ALL are like this. Geez. And you don't think women stalk? That's a crock. And you don't think women are needy? Geez, more b.s. And if you're going to say "statistically", please cite a source.

The only real thing of value you state is "relationships are a nice option, when desired" - and it works for both genders.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 152
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 4:04:11 PM

And if someone has to bring up what happened 12 years ago and that is their only frame of reference...yup, the hold grudges and haven't healed.

Well, since it's me who spoke of 12 years ago, let me answer for me. My divorce was 12 years ago, so that's my ONLY reference point. If I recall, you're a widow. When was your divorce so you can pin-point a "reference point?"

Because some people don't want to let other's have their own opinion, some folks need to be "right".

No, some people have a reference point and history with regard to this topic. No one, as I stated 10 or more times here, is right or wrong.

Everyone should tell the truth about their marital status.

EXACTLY!!!!! So are you widowed or? "Single" as your profile references?

~OT~ Every one is entitled to live their own life as they see fit, and I live mine by offering that which they offer ~ someone that's been divorced long enough to have lived alone, regained their self-identity and weathered the storms that go along with divorce and starting over ON THEIR OWN with no one there to hold their hand. Luckily for me? There are plenty of those people to date and who are happy to date the same ~ those who offer what they offer and who have weathered the same storms over the years, be they 12, 10 or 5 (anything under 5? I've got no interest, but that's just me.). To each their own. JMO
 zookie57
Joined: 1/27/2012
Msg: 153
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 5:12:26 PM

There are plenty of those people to date and who are happy to date the same ~ those who offer what they offer and who have weathered the same storms over the years,


And there are those who are still in the eye of the storm,as for them the storm as yet to pass.......

And imo,
So for those who extend another a palm leaf, never think it was done in vain,as maybe, the other was not ready to receive it, cuz of their personal storm within.....& not because of you......
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 154
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 5:37:01 PM
"EXACTLY!!!!! So are you widowed or? "Single" as your profile references?" If you'd have bothered to read my profile I state that I'm widowed. I've been that way for close to 8 years - pretty much single... And no, I've never been divorced but I'm not on here telling people they they are silly for not getting a divorce - their reasons are their reasons. All the b.s. you spewed regarding their "excuses" will fall on deaf ears anyway, they are doing what they want to do or what they deem is the right thing to do. So IF someone chooses to stay separated for reasons of medical insurance, for example, who the hell are you or me or anyone to tell them they are wrong, or too lazy to get a divorce.

"No one, as I stated 10 or more times here, is right or wrong." If you have to state it 10 or more times - you have a need to be right otherwise you'd state your opinion and move on. Just sayin.

As for my reference point, if you really care, not only do I have friends that have divorced I've workes in the divorce industry for 20 years, I've seen and heard it all. And I've dated far more divorced than single, separated and widowed and know that I stay away from the ones that still rag on about their divorce 8 or 10 or 12 years later. And of all the guys I dated, one separated guy stands out among them all as being the best of the bunch, his reasons for not finalizing his divorce made sense to me. So that was my frame of reference for separated and I'd not hesitate to date another.
 Janet_Always
Joined: 6/20/2012
Msg: 155
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 8/3/2012 6:01:55 PM

I stay away from the ones that still rag on about their divorce 8 or 10 or 12 years later.

Me too!

Also, a larger factor for me is having minor children when divorced. There is always drama and constant battles over one darn thing or another. Nothing is more important to people than their kids, so it just makes sense that it would have the greatest potential for disagreement.

But even that is not a deal breaker for me, as my current BF has a 9 year old daughter.
 mangopeach888
Joined: 7/15/2015
Msg: 156
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 11/11/2015 2:10:02 PM
Thanks for that advice... I guess still being legally married and just separated is not a great state to be in... have been separated for five months but have to wait a year to be divorced... would you suggest I start a file now for divorce or wait til that year is up... at least I can tell people I am working on a divorce.
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 157
Separated vs Divorced: The truth will set you free!
Posted: 11/11/2015 2:14:07 PM

would you suggest I start a file now for divorce or wait til that year is up... at least I can tell people I am working on a divorce.


Go online to one of the Divorce sites. Plug in your location information and see what they recommend. Each state, and each country is different. In the States, some states require that you FILE and then wait that year. Others may require that year in advance. Find out if you can do a no-contest type of divorce, those are easy as long as you have no children, no issues with how to split things, no child support.
 LetitiaLeGrande
Joined: 3/22/2015
Msg: 158
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Posted: 11/11/2015 5:17:24 PM
It would depend on how long a person has been separated and whether they are still living in the same house, yes that happens!! Sometimes the ties have not been completely broken with the ex and in that case I would be gone.
Some people never bother to actually divorce so it would depend on the individual situation. If it is a formal separation with settlement being done and assets divided up, then it wouldn't be a problem.

As for most men not looking for a commitment that is a generalisation as is, that women, are...
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