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 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 19
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the first two Reichs weren't even German--so why should the fourth be? If you consider a Reich to be both a military and an economic power...hello...ever hear of America? Beat the Soviets to become the last superpower? Bailed out countries after the world war of the 40's (hard to call it WW2, the Brits and French waged world wars thru their colonies when America was just a colony itself)? Cultural powerhouse? Owns military bases on every continent and military presense out in space, too(what do the Germans have?)?

there would have to be a Fifth Reich, after America does what all empires do (fall inward, economically first). China has manpower, is getting raw material contracts in Africa and trying for oil from Iran. Its economic weakness is that we're our its biggest source of cash (by being its biggest consumer market, tho its domestic market may become a close second, but that keeps the cash inside the country moving about) and its biggest source of investment--they own more T-bills than anyone except Japan. Our currency went off the gold standard to pay for Vietnam, the Saudis put it on the oil standard--you need american dollars to buy oil.

what happens when some OPEC country finally decides to sell oil in other currencies? no need to prop up the US currency anymore, except for those invested in Wall Street. But what other strong currency is there to take the place? when that comes about...it'll be like flushing a toilet, the drop will happen so fast.
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 20
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Posted: 1/1/2013 6:10:58 PM

what happens when some OPEC country finally decides to sell oil in other currencies? no need to prop up the US currency anymore, except for those invested in Wall Street. But what other strong currency is there to take the place? when that comes about...it'll be like flushing a toilet, the drop will happen so fast.


This is why Gadafi went down,for trying to organize a gold based African currency.
 JustDukky
Joined: 7/8/2004
Msg: 21
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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:26:27 AM


Economics IS the new imperialism but unlike in the past , it only works when you have interaction between economically sovereign jurisdictions


Then it doesn't work, because the only remaining economically sovereign jurisdictions are being bombed out of existence to be replaced with economically dependent jurisdictions in the economically imperialistic geopolitical puppet show run by the BIS. (Libya is a good recent example…Syria & Iran are next on the agenda.)

The 4th Reich is alive, well, and conquering everywhere. What has everyone fooled is that they keep looking to Germany for its rise and that's not where it is.
 hplazerjet
Joined: 11/1/2012
Msg: 22
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:19:19 AM
I'm amazed to see that someone actually knows about the BIS. But be careful,
because the yahoos will certainly call you a "conspiracy theorist" in an effort to block the trail.

It's all about the money, all the time. Some think that Saddam also had to be axed because he was trying to form a network to trade oil outside the petrodollar system. And he was a threat to Israel as well.

Yeah, the idea that the hapless Germans are a threat is funny stuff. The ruling elite are from the tribe that controls the money supply, and it's all about world domination.
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:13:12 PM

Yeah, the idea that the hapless Germans are a threat is funny stuff. The ruling elite are from the tribe that controls the money supply, and it's all about world domination.


Hapless?The Germans are thoroughly averse to violence at present.But their position is that they are now the ones that will be able to extend their hand to the European countries.I wouldn't write off any possibility of them leading the way....as for the debt situation,I had to laugh when Tony Blair,being interviewed recently(CNN,BBC?)stated that the main hurdle facing the EU was growth.And for growth the only prescription these guys know is debt....the major hurdle the EU faces is in fact servicing it's debt,and this has just about run it's course....
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 24
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Posted: 12/8/2013 9:57:43 AM
Good debate on the BBC as to whether Germany's policies are helping or destroying the E.U.Many feel that Germany should forgive much of their debt.Anthony Beevor is solidly onside with the German position.There is fear the dire straights will lead to the rise of fascism.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 12/10/2013 1:19:47 PM
Chapter 11 bankruptcy should happen with all the "little" countries but I doubt it will happen> They should get out of the euro, get back into printing their own currency, and start suing the big crooks that lied and set up this catastrophe and allowed playing or played with their books so that they could be accepted in the union when clearly they were in trouble already.

I think what will happen though is that germany will take on some debt, and forgive some debt (with the peoples hesitant support as they will be terrified not to) and "germany" will make the strict rules that rest will have to follow. The strict rules WILL cause upset and yes fascism will rise in the area.

Will they start another war? Depends on if you think they haven't already. france is in africa, I suspect the rest will follow them there and the game will continue...

"germany" is just another neighborhood to the greedo mafia bankers that run this scam, it really isn't relevant which country supposedly makes the rules, the rules are the same anyway, their way (join a central banking system set up by them) or else. Ask gaddafi or saddam or chavez or or or? what will happen if you don't. Oh, right, they'rre dead...never mind.

This european union put more power into fewer hands and they're not done yet, the same type of "union" is being formed in africa and north america and oceana, you just don't see it yet as it's hidden and still in the early stages of trade deals.

It seems the only ones telling these greedo banksters to f off is a few south american countries, the mid east and russia and china.

These "union" ideas are bad for everyone except those lending. These greedo crooks should be in jail, but it seems the only way for people to get up off their ass and charge these guys (or reject these guys and do their own banking on a local level) is as if they are terrified for their future. They are not terrified enough. Why not?

The problem is these greedos are probably going to give a monthly subsidy just above peoples freak out level. This way they keep working for them ( or go to war for them). Only the greedos will be able to get really rich, the rest will be on "welfare" or fighting their way into africa to earn their pay.

Weirdly most accept this as a good thing and leave control of their financial future in these guys hands. Look how many are on welfare to subsidize they're income, or pay higher taxes so that instead of the corporations paying, the "better off" get slammed with high taxes to subsidize the corporations payroll.

I don't get why people go along with this but I guess people are so afraid or so down on themselves in the confidence realm, they'll take anything their captors offer.

Sovereignty is a joke these days, and it will either get worse and more "unions" controlled by these banksters will spread or finally the people will see what losers these guys are and start ruling themselves and quit counting on greedos for the scraps they hand out.

This is big, I wonder what kind of pushovers will stick with the terrible plan and which ones if any say, f off and take back their sovereignty?

Sheeple or anarchists? We'll see.
 theritefoot
Joined: 3/30/2013
Msg: 26
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Posted: 12/10/2013 7:17:20 PM
Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank.
Give a man a bank, he can rob the world.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 12/10/2013 9:00:15 PM


It seems the only ones telling these greedo banksters to f off is a few south american countries, the mid east and russia and china.


I should have added that their greedo bankers have their own "union" that they want to put in place. They are no better. Centralization puts power into the hands of a few.

DE centralization puts the power into the "common' peoples hands. Your hands.

Don't fall for the lie that centralized general power is a good thing, an efficient thing. It is, for them. YOU and I will be stuck with the fallout. The greedos who spread this centralization campaign can't be trusted as they have proved time and time again.

goldman sacs and the other greedos don't have a problem with breaking the law to steal your money and the puppets they buy into gov't don't mind allowing "settlements" to give them a way out of criminal charges. Why allow them more power?

Local is the way to go,.

These "unions"; african, european, north american, oceania,russian, chinese...it doesn't matter are looking for total control. If we allow them to get bigger they will be harder to take down when they twist the knife.

There many steps to take to stop these guys; first by not supporting them, second by not doing their any of their dirty work and thirdly finding your way to make your way from a local level.
 localRenoite12
Joined: 4/17/2013
Msg: 28
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:24:16 AM
Germany is a rising power in Europe, so what? Just because they have a little more influence doesn't mean they will automatically become blood thirsty genocidal racist fascists. Germany now is a fairly liberal country and besides their massive arms producing industry, they're peaceful. They are no where near the bitter and defeated nation they were which laid the foundations for Nazism. Germany is always destined to be a major player in Europe because of their population and high quality industries.

If you're worried about a far-right extremist government rising in Europe then you should be concerned with Russia, where the Ultra-Nationalists and fascists political parties are constantly gaining influence.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:26:40 AM
The fourth reich eh? Lol just as well the forces of democracy and
one man one vote, use your vote, take part in the democratic process
are busy throwing hissy fits because those pesky europeans are voting
but not the way they have been told to.

The fourth reich lol where a german politician has been jailed for selling
Cd's the cosseted elites do not like.
Where a legitimate political party are fighting to stand in elections but
are in the process of being banned because they are nazis so the fourth
reich goes all nazi and denies them a voice.
Countless films, daily newspaper stories, wall to wall cable tv about hitlers
secret henchmens sons wifes second cousin yet the young are not listening.
They are saying so what. Bollocks to you all men are equal apart from those
we do not like fourth reichers.

The insults of fascist, nazi etc are meaningless now. Especially when the democratic
forces act like those whom they say would stifle free speech. And hissy intolerant
liberal elites are perplexed because their meaningless pc cultural marxist waffle
and insults are not working now.
Folk laugh at them.

Hungry, slovakia, norway, denmark, sweden, belgium, italy, spain, france and greece
are all saying bollocks to the windbag elites who do not care what ordinary folk have
fears about.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/11/30/rise-of-the-far-right-in-europe/

Startling new evidence about the golden dawn has emerged in greece. They have photies
of nazi salutes l ol yet golden dawn are gaining support.

In particular, one of the videos shows the chief of the Golden Dawn Party, Nikos Michaloliakos
making the Nazi-Salute alongside with Georgios Germenis, Golden Dawn’s MP.
These Nazi-style salutes are taking place during the initiation of new members who are taking vows of loyalty to the party
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/12/10/new-evidence-against-greek-neo-nazi-golden-dawn/

Yet golden dawn are more popular than ever. Something has gone wrong in liberal elite statist democracy
when nazi salutes make you popular.
af course its ok for the reds to clench their fist looking dewy eyed at the most evil system
ever. Communism. The philosophy of hate. Look up the holdormir in the ukraine.
The holocaust you never here about.

Working folk have had enough of being ignored and funding intolerant liberal
statist elites.

The fourth reichers are stunned that ordinary folk are telling the elites that they couldnt
give a toss if the are fascist, neo nazi, nazi like they will vote how they please.
So its goalpost moving time. They cannot win the argument so they do what all good
intolerant liberal elites do. Ban the threat.

Not one of the movements above get any fair press. Always negative yet folk are still flocking
to them.
Hopefully the european elites days are numbered but i doubt it. They will just ban any threat
and say its good for democracy.

The front national will hopefully take france. They are more socialist than the pretendy socialist
elites.

What’s more surprising is that FN has a plan to fix the economy that in many ways resembles a leftist manifesto.
Nationalizing banks, raising protectionist trade barriers, handing out cash to low-paid workers—
they’re all part of the platform developed by Le Pen, 45, who took over leadership of the party two years ago from her father,
FN founder Jean-Marie Le Pen.
http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-20/the-far-left-economics-of-frances-far-right

Time to reap what ye have sown hate filled intolerant liberals and i hope they suffer the same persecution
that they hand out now. A wee bit revenge will get the dafties running like headless chickens.

Lol fourth reich indeed.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 12/11/2013 11:27:16 AM
I have a feeling russia will be offering out a chunk of change to the ukraine to convince them that joining the euro union is a bad idea.
The president of the ukraine already knows this is a bad idea but I'm not sure the people know what a bad idea joining the euro union is a bad idea.

Who's stirring the pot ?

Will nato powers come in and "save" the ukraine? ( their gas resources ). Will russia "defend' them? (their gas resources).

This is not good.
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