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 Triumph800rider
Joined: 10/10/2009
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I have a seminary degree. There is no consistent doctrine of marriage in the New Testament. Some of the writers in the early church were against marriage. The reason had little to do with sex or morality. They believed that the second coming of Christ was imminent and with world history at that place it was far more prudent to stay single than to marry and have children. It was only later, when it was apparent that the second coming was delayed, that the church developed a doctrine of marriage. This had as much to do with Christianity becoming a religion. The marriage ceremony is something common to most religions in the world. To say that any Christian doctrine of marriage is derived solely from The Bible is fallacious.

One example of The Bible having varying definitions of marriage is how it deals with the practice of polygamy. In the Old Testament a man could have as many wives as he could afford. By the time the first century CE came around polygamy existed but it was no longer the norm. The New Testament writers and the early church had an uneasy relationship with the practice. In the end they decided that a polygamist could be a Christian but was not qualified to be a priest.

Any person should consult their own religious leader concerning sex and marriage. Every Christian sect or denomination has its own understanding and standards. In some, divorced people are forbidden from remarrying. In others they can.
 SanturistAlan
Joined: 4/10/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 8/27/2012 2:00:33 PM
Dear Lady:

I feel your struggle, because there appears a degree of "brain washing" of the church upon you. Sex is a beautiful gift between man and women. The reason "religion and masters of religion" said no to sex was..... in those old days is free sex , the world would have been way, way over populated. To prevent over popoulation the church said NO sex before marriage. The sex that is seen as "sin" all of the suddent become HOT and good thing to do after you say "I do". Then Catholic church goes to work as if tells you to have sex day and night and DO not use birth control. My dear lady be a free women, use you own mind not that of religion. Look me up should you come to California we will talk and have fun. Cheers Have lot Safe lovely sex and feel no guilt. You are doing NOTHING wrong, but the right thing between man and a woman.
 LoveMyDog55
Joined: 7/18/2012
Msg: 53
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Posted: 8/27/2012 2:27:46 PM
I'm a believer but not religious ~ I've always been single and I like having a healthy sex life
 susanh55
Joined: 3/9/2012
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Posted: 8/27/2012 4:29:00 PM
I have been divorced six years. Went out with one guy for two years and dealt with guilt over the sexual relationship. Especially when we broke it off. Did some study and now I really have a better understanding of why God wants us to save sex for married. If you look at it as a union that brings two hearts together in a unique and special way, you understand why it hurts so bad when a relationship ends. So I decided I would not let myself hurt like that again. We broke up in 2009 and it is still painful. I dated another gentleman for 18 months and never had sex with him, Probably wouldn of married him eventually but he died this year in February. I don't get many bites on here cause I am real clear about who I am and whom I belong today. It will be a very special man that gets this girl. I just wish I had had this wisdom and understanding when I was young. I never want tohave my heart ripped apart again.
 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
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Posted: 8/27/2012 10:24:53 PM
I'm an atheist. For me, religion is not a problem.

I do have moral standards - basically, do no harm. I'm very strict about it. However, I don't see sex as harmful and, in fact, see it as a good thing. I have been celibate sometimes for my own personal reasons. At this point in my life, I find I feel much better if I am not.

I think you are setting yourself up for harm - emotional - if this is something you do, then feel guilty about, and then have to ask your god for forgiveness for doing something that is natural to us as human beings. That really sounds like a very bad position to be in. It's like expecting yourself to fast or stick to a strict diet that's very difficult, failing, then feeling guilty, then doing it again. Better to be reasonable and realistic.

Do what feels right for you. If celibacy feels like the right thing, do it. If having sex seems like the right thing to do, do it without guilt. Just make sure you protect yourself from disease and unwanted pregnancy. In all cases, no matter what you decide to do - and that may change - protect yourself emotionally and be considerate of the other person.

 LessonOfLife
Joined: 8/16/2012
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Posted: 9/6/2012 7:41:31 AM
Thanks for pointing this out. There are so many things that man have twisted out of the Bible to what they want.

I had a loving committed relationship end do in part to the idea that we could no longer be intimate because of and get this, a friend of hers told her she had God talked to her saying we should not have sex and needed to get married. This is coming from a woman whose own marriage has not been a loving Christian one. Not sure how credible she can be if she can't save her own marriage with all the religion she has going for her? And she has another Christian friend who also told her we should not be intimate. Yet she was intimate prior to getting married and the kicker, she is married to Mormon, which many will say is sin.

There is nothing that forbids sex without marriage. If you look at the reason to remain a virgin, it has to do with the value of that 13 year old bride. The way fornication is defined to is by a bad translation of the word porneia. Men and churches have lumped sex between to unmarried people into fornication.
 mark777771
Joined: 4/22/2012
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Posted: 9/7/2012 9:52:44 AM
Well to me the invisible and the non existant look a lot alike. With that said you must be a religious person. And that is ok if its works for you. I dont know, you might be a salad bar christian who takes and leaves what you want out of the bible. Ive read the bible and I think it says sex is for marriage, assuming you are a christian. You asked me and others to enlighten you. So here is my call. Life is precious and I believe it is supposed to be enjoyed. I believe there is nothing wrong with making someone feel good or showing your affection for them sexually as long as its consentual and you practice safe sex. If you believe the invisible skydaddy is going to send you to hell for showing love and affection to another human being maybe you should reconsider your religious or spiritual beliefs. I hope you can work this out. Good luck
 TiredofLonelyTN
Joined: 8/22/2012
Msg: 58
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Posted: 9/8/2012 10:07:06 AM
It doesn't interfere with it because it's not separate from it. If you divide your religion between what you "should do" and what you actually do, ...if I may be so bold... it's not much of a relgion in the first place.
 forums1
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 59
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Posted: 9/8/2012 10:38:35 AM
"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it,
but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around...
and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."
 TwistedAir
Joined: 9/24/2012
Msg: 60
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Posted: 10/6/2012 2:23:22 PM

a penis going into someone


Thats why Im here looking for a home for my penis.

I hate biblethumpers they just use religion as a crutch. Organized religion is nothing but a big business dealing bullshit to the weak of mind.
 Outsideofthebox1
Joined: 8/18/2012
Msg: 61
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Posted: 10/6/2012 2:31:10 PM
Just join the Vatican, you can have all the sex you want... as long as they're in the 4th grade .... and when you get caught your boss will spend Millions moving you around and covering it all up for you! what a deal.
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 62
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Posted: 10/6/2012 2:38:25 PM
Sometimes the two can go together quite nicely though, as in the case of Tantra :)
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 63
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Posted: 10/6/2012 6:25:25 PM
I heard on the news that some ancient message was found that might say that Jesus was married. I wonder if any Christian leaders new about the marriage before, but kept it under wraps because the marriage didn't work out. It would be tough being married to a traveling salesman. Who would have officiated the wedding? It would be weird hearing: "Do you, Jesus Christ, take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife..." I wonder if he had a stag. It is said he lived among prostitutes and the seedy crowd, so I wonder if he had strippers and hookers at his stag. I can't imagine what his wedding night would be like. Did his wife said to him "Wow. You are hung like a God."?
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 64
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Posted: 10/6/2012 6:30:01 PM
^^^^^^^^^^ That’s funny!
 licoricecat_1
Joined: 11/23/2008
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Posted: 10/7/2012 3:10:31 PM
Haveakitten said it right. Although sex is great it is against God's principles of celibacy until marriage. Celibacy promotes respect for yourself and encourages self esteem for a person. It makes an active stand for men to respect you when you set a boundary. It also helps you determine if a man is sticking around for you to get sex or if they stay in the game because they truly care for you. Setting a boundary and saying NO to Sex, will determine what really your significant other is really after. If they love you, they should be committed enough to marry you and make it right. Exercise helps get rid of a high libido and pray and journaling also help.
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 66
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Posted: 10/7/2012 3:13:00 PM
^^ Do you really believe that a person needs religion in order to set a boundary and/or have respect for him or herself?
 licoricecat_1
Joined: 11/23/2008
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Posted: 10/7/2012 3:16:39 PM
Maleman, Jesus had a mission and He did not have time for a wife. He loved all and He did yell at the Pharisees (church people) and called them hippocrites and stated that the prostitutes and the tax gatherers will get to heaven before you. He saw peoples hearts and what they were thinking and the arrogance of some of the church goers. He still sees our hearts whether we are Christians or not and loves and accepts all. Once we ask for forgiveness since we are all sinners, He forgives us and His love changes our hearts and our lives.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 68
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Posted: 10/7/2012 5:45:38 PM

Although sex is great it is against God's principles of celibacy until marriage.


I think remaining celibate was a lot easier in early biblical times because the life expectancy of people was probably about half of what it is now, so people got married in their mid teens. People didn't wait until they were 25 to 30 years old to go searching for a life partner like it is now. A 30 year old back then was considered getting old. So it was easier to remain celibate until you got married at 15 or 16 years old.
 GWSmith
Joined: 12/18/2008
Msg: 69
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Posted: 10/7/2012 6:02:17 PM
I'm sure it started off as a great concept but religion has become the number one cause of guilt and repression in people in just about every category.
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 70
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Posted: 10/7/2012 7:18:01 PM
Although sex is great it is against God's principles of celibacy until marriage.


I have a hard time buying this. Particularly from a religious dogma, in which a god impregnated a woman that was not married to him, or married at all. Even worse, she was betroth to Joseph already. Practice what you preach.

I believe in practice by example. Not the do as I say, not as I do.
 m8t
Joined: 8/10/2012
Msg: 71
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Posted: 10/7/2012 7:47:33 PM
^ This is why I believe spirituality doesnt come from a book.
It comes from experience, with the knowledge we acquire along the path of life.
How does that affect my sexuality? I respect myself enough to respect others.
My personal religious preferences are simply mine. I dont push them on a partner.
 Tarnished_Knight
Joined: 3/5/2009
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Posted: 10/7/2012 10:16:30 PM
Well, Outmind, a couple of points.

Do you believe that when a couple, or more specifically the woman, becomes pregnant though IVF she had sex? Hmm.
The purpose of Mary becoming pregnant through a means other than sex was to avoid that whole issue of original sin thing, or something along those lines.
For through one man (hint, Adam) all sinned and through another (really do I need to remind you: Jesus) all can have salvation. Frankly, I'm awaiting death 'cause I got some serious questions. Until then, I've got faith and some understanding.

TK
[try it, you'll like it]
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 73
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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:44:21 AM

TK
[try it, you'll like it]
I can't resist.. try what?
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:39:14 PM
Try what? Faith? I have plenty of faith, but I don't follow dogma.

And I do not follow that whole concept of the original sin either. If you think about the story, Yahweh (at the time of the original writing, simply the god of war among other gods) lied to Adam and Eve by telling them that if the ate from the tree of of good and evil they would die. Then the snake, which happens to be also the snake used in medicine, told them the truth, that if you ate from that tree, they would be more like GODS. Then when Yahweh discovers that they ate from the tree, cast them out of the garden, and gives them this whole "Original sin" thing. So did the snake lied? No.

Then when Yahweh is given the offerings from the ground, meaning vegetables, fruits and what not, he looks upon them with dislike, while when receiving fat and meat, he is happy. So it sounds to me that half of the issues that happen at the Garden were created by a dysfunctional little god. So when he cast Cain away, how did Cain found a wife? Hello? Wouldn't this be a sister? Or perhaps part of what happened when the first version of God created Men in general in THEIR own image, and the Bible uses a plural there. Thus this other people had no original sin, only those that came from Yahweh's garden.

Okay, let's get back to the subject of sex.
 HeartOn64
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 75
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:54:55 PM
Is there any religion that prohibits sex?


Before marriage most religions prohibit sex or didn't you get the memo? Oops.



"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it,
but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around...
and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."


OMG! THAT IS EXCELLENT!

We atheists enjoy sex without fear,guilt or shame as human beings with sex drives and chemistry and common sense.


^^ Do you really believe that a person needs religion in order to set a boundary and/or have respect for him or herself?


Or a conscience,character,ethics or morality?

Without a god,we capable of all of those things.

All due respect,I truly feel sorry for you.You have been so brainwashed by your cult all you think isn't even your own original thoughts or feelings it's just regurgitated bible rules.


Although sex is great it is against God's principles of celibacy until marriage. Celibacy promotes respect for yourself and encourages self esteem for a person. It makes an active stand for men to respect you when you set a boundary. It also helps you determine if a man is sticking around for you to get sex or if they stay in the game because they truly care for you. Setting a boundary and saying NO to Sex, will determine what really your significant other is really after. If they love you, they should be committed enough to marry you and make it right. Exercise helps get rid of a high libido and pray and journaling also help.



I'd rather hop on my guys c*ck and ride it to an orgasm thanks.
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