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Joined: 9/11/2009
Msg: 51
Student at 50+Page 3 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
but, I have dated several students

Have you dated several students when you are 50 and they are 50 or dated them when you were younger and they were younger?
Some may be drawn into the world of younger generations but I doubt some 50 + people will still be immersed into that kind of life at their age? Guess they are more serious with their studies knowing they are over their prime?
Joined: 8/24/2012
Msg: 52
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 9:57:47 AM
Students have jobs families and somehow a style from my perspective, is relative to all ages, a choice, I think the only generalization here is that people want to diversify.
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 53
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 10:52:37 AM
I have a suggestion that I hope is of a more positive note than other posts here that seem to be suggesting you lie down and die because of workplace ageism, or that not obtaining the "correct" degree will expose you to being raped at your job intervie( again, I cannot help but wonder WTH life has DONE to some people that they so enthusiastically embrace anger and bitterness!) but that is neither here nor there-
My thinking is, that since you are a kitchen and bath designer, perhaps you would be better served to apprentice to the plumbing trades for the time being. Just think what killer skills you will bring to the kitchen/bath design industry, with plumber credentials to add to your resume!
You can always go back and catch the rest of your art degree-art is timeless, its' never going to go away but right now, with tough economic times, a more practical course of training might serve you better.
Cindy O
Joined: 9/1/2012
Msg: 54
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 11:25:04 AM
LMFAO I guess you have no knowlege of the plumber carpenter trade at all to come up with that kind of a statement. Blind leading the blind.

You can get your kitchen cabinet design for free at places like Lowes or Home Depo. I had it done by a young guy who majored in Architecture at Lowes. He was a salesman there at practically minimum wage.

Most of the colleges put a lot of hype into their advertising promising good jobs but dont have to deliver.

As for teaching English part-time and making tons of money I say BS to that. Colleges around here dont pay much for part-time ajunct faculty.
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 55
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 12:28:22 PM
The OP is over 50...and I took from her postings that she had been a kitchen/bath designer as her primary occupation for quite awhile- not something she picked up in an afternoon DIY seminar at a home-improvement store.
She didn't SAY she designed CABINETS, she said she designed kitchens and baths. NOW-other than the outhouse at Grand-dads hunting camp, most kitchens and bathrooms I've ever seen,lived with, or participated in repairing or remodeling-tend to have sinks, dishwashers, bathtubs, showers, toilets, washbasins...all of which require plumbing.

As for teaching English part-time and making tons of money I say BS to that. Colleges around here dont pay much for part-time ajunct faculty.

I'm going to take the higher road here and instead of accusing you of calling another forum participant a liar, I'm going to suggest that different localities often have differing economic conditions ,and that perhaps you simply haven't been witness to that.
What that poster actually SAID;

I make more money than the median income in my city for people who work full-time.

Where does that sentence say or even ALLUDE to "tons of money"?
Maybe the adjunct faculty of colleges in your area don't get paid much because they aren't very effective at teaching things like reading comprehension.
Cindy O
Joined: 9/1/2012
Msg: 56
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 1:26:27 PM
There is a standard for kitchen cabinets that are made in factories from different woods and styles. If they are handmade the same standard applies i.e. height and width of cabinets. Spacers are used to fill voids. Dishwashers, ranges and sinks also have a industry standard. If someone is redoing a kitchen they usually use the same plumbing or relocate it if possible to accomodate customers wishes. Same thing applies to bathrooms.

I lived in the burbs of NYC with colleges like NYU, Columbia and the like and they do NOT pay alot of money to adjuct part time staff.

So Cindy you should know something about a subject before you offer your opinion.
Joined: 8/26/2012
Msg: 57
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/2/2012 5:01:45 PM
Disagree with you Daddy. Whether or not a job technically requires a degree, you are far more likely to get one if you have a college degree. A degree signifies at a minimum, an ability to think. That is something sorely lacking in many people today who don't have degrees, regardless of their experience level. Take a person who is relatively intelligent and they can be taught to do anything. Take a dummy, and experience not withstanding, their abilities will be very limited.
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 58
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:12:41 AM
My degree is in British Lit and Creative Writing. As a part-time instructor, I make more money than the median income in my city for people who work full-time.

This is from message 62. The words "tons of money" or " alot of money" do not appear in that statement. So what would be relevant would be what the MEDIAN(working) income of a given area might be, not what an individual considers to be "a lot".

As for the discussion of kitchen cabinets- it is neither relevant or even correct. I've seen creative individuals make custom cabinets and design kitchens and baths for older or unusual homes, or to accomodate antique or vintage appliances. Not everything comes from Home Depot. And I think that having a plumbers' card would enable the OP to expand her design services to include unusual and older homes.
There are many trends out there for renovating older homes, to built homes from alternative materials, to build small homes, to incorporate "re-purposed" materials.
However, the topic here is not building or renovating homes,with or without the aid of Home Depot.

The topic is whether people might see the OPs' 'student' status as a red flag.

My personal opinion is that the status is going to draw more attention/scrutiny simply because it is not very common for the 45+ crowd to be formal students. Despite the great benefits-whether practical or mental/emotional-of getting a degree,I'm sure that some will take a harder look at the 50+ full-time student, and indeed in THIS setting(Pof/online dating) I am sure that there will be a significant number who will loo kupon it as a cover story for "unemployed/able and looking for a meal ticket", those who will immediately presume that the OP is carousing in college on her poor suffering ex-husbands dime,and those who will be sure to lecture her on her poor choice of major and of her option for gainful employment.
I've also noticed that there are those who still appreciate the BASELINE that a documented college education is supposed to provide....the abilities to THINK,to LEARN, to seek information and put it to good use.

If one wants a guarantee of immediate employment, then it seems as though the better course of action would be to research all these jobs that are (allegedly) going begging because there are few candidates possessing the specialized technical skills for these jobs.

But, MY answer to the OPs' question is that while it may not be a red flag"-IMO her full-time student status will be a YELLOW flag, in the online dating environment.
And yes, I'm serious that a plumbers' card would be an asset to her kitchen/bath design occupation. If the recession/crap economy continue, people are going to be more interested in repurposing and retrofitting.
Trust me, as the owner of a small older home,association with creative repurposers/renovators, and an interest in creative repurposin/renovating, I think I have plenty of grounds to give an opinion.

And I become more and more convinced that actually DATING from an online site may have passed its' optimal peak, it just seems like more and more it is a refuge for people who are even MORE screwed up than I am...(and thats' pretty bad!)
Cindy O
Joined: 9/25/2012
Msg: 59
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:50:30 AM

Disagree with you Daddy.

I don't disagree that in THIS specific job market - where there are 1000 applicants for every job - that there are employers who will opt to treat a candidate with a degree more favorably. I'm simply stating the fact that the majority of jobs do not require a 4 year degree for someone to be considered a qualified candidate.

I DO disagree that a college education is necessarily a sign of ones ability to think - especially critical thinking.

I went to college after Vietnam. I watched fratrats and sorority bimbos collude on tests and final exams by making sure they all had the same coded test and so could cheat off of the one actual 'student' in the group. Now, that may be a sign of 'thinking', but as an employer it would not inspire me to hire them....

There's 'getting' a degree, and then there's 'earning' a degree. For me, depending on the job, give me applicable experience and proven integrity over a degree every time.
Joined: 8/26/2012
Msg: 60
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/3/2012 9:49:02 AM
Not saying that people don't cheat in college because of course they do, but I would find it difficult to believe that people with limited intelligence could cheat themselves to a degree. They may cheat to make things easier on themselves, not having to do the work to learn the material, but that's not to say they wouldn't have the ability to do so. Of course college does not guarantee the ability of critical thinking or anything else, but it is the best weeding out process we have to determine whether a given person has the potential of being an intelligent and productive employee. Which is the same reason an Ivy Leaguer has a better chance of getting a particular job than somebody graduating from the local state college. The Ivy League supposedly graduates more intelligent and capable people. If somebody is a perennial cheater, than they are likely never going to be successful in life . . but how many college students meet that description? Hopefully the student bodies out there have more character than that.
Joined: 2/17/2012
Msg: 61
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:16:33 AM
Kudos to you!!!!

I would like to get into real estate on the side.... when the market improves.
Joined: 5/15/2011
Msg: 62
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/3/2012 12:29:27 PM
I live in a community with 4 colleges. nearby...if you don't have a college degree, you don't get a good paying job, period. Even jobs paying in the $25K range are asking for at least a 2 year if not a 4 year degree. High school only jobs are minimum wage or temporary jobs only. Having a degree will ALWAYS make you more employable and marketable. The guy who cited that 70% statistic is using out of date data and to clarify, lawyers, doctors, most teaching positions require education beyond a 4 year school, med school, master's programs and ongoing classes to retain a license. A degree, regardless of when you can get it, is necessary if you do not want to struggle in the career world.
Joined: 9/16/2012
Msg: 63
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/4/2012 8:15:01 AM
9. Philosophy

Why It Won’t Help You Get a Job: This isn’t ancient Greece: No one is going to pay you money, or allow you to sodomize their attractive son, in exchange for your knowledge of existence. Never has there been an employer who’s said “Man, we’re having all kinds of problems, I wish we had someone on our team who could reference and draw conclusions from the story of Siddhartha that would pull up our fourth quarter numbers. I took many philosophy classes and it involved reading and smoking a shit pile of weed. You don’t need to pay 20,000 dollars a year to do that. All you need is twenty dollars and a library card.

LMAO this hits the nail on the head. Just like trying to relate an Art degree to kitchen and plumbing remodeling. Trade schools are for carpenters and plumbers and they teach them how to do construction and plumbers the difference between a "nipple" pipe and the real thing.

It irks me when some people talk about shit they have no background in. Just because you put up some wallpaper or fixed a hole in plaster doesnt make you a home decorator or a rehab specialist. Youd be better off talking about a giggling pin on a cars exhaust system...
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 64
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/4/2012 11:13:08 AM
Good for you, knowledge is never enough.
If a man resents your going to school, he needs to go as well: to get a brain wash.
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 65
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/5/2012 11:51:28 AM
Actually-my point was that the OP might be better served to attend a trade school to add credentials to her already-acquired experience in designing kitchens and baths. If she can do BOTH( trade school AND get her bachelors in Art) more power to her.
There seems to be a fair amount of support here for what the OP is doing, and opinions from people who seem to be well-informed, that acquiring a degree DOES make a difference.
Regardless of whether the degree is in Computer Sciences, Nursing, or Underwater Basketweaving -it proves that one was able to set a goal and achieve said goal.
I think even the person who hires the burger-flippers at the local "u want fries with that" eatery, can appreciate a person who was able to set a goal and achieve that goal.

For the gripe about " shit they have no background in"-really? It is completely impossible/unfeasible that the OP could go to a trade school and learn about plumbing, to increase her value to potential employers-or customers?
Really? Why would that be? And how do you know what skills or experiences I-or any other poster here- may or may not have?
The topic is people's perceptions and attitudes about someone who has gone back to school to finish their bachelors degree at age 50+. It's not about the OPs' previous employment field, it's not about home renovation, it's not about what 'adjunct' professors do or don't earn.

It seems to me,OP, that most people are impressed with your endeavors. I think it may be worth noting that there are those who see your student status as a red flag because they presume "student" means "looking for a meal ticket".
As for the giggling pin on a cars exhaust can buy them at any auto parts supplier that also carries Corvair radiators...
Cindy O
Joined: 5/28/2010
Msg: 66
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Student at 50+
Posted: 10/7/2012 7:38:20 PM
Thanks - I'm in this age bracket going for my Master's. Dated guys in their 50's who think college and studying are for the 20 something - were too old to learn at this age. Yet, drinking and sex are still as important to them when your in your 50's as it was in your 20's! Braindead and drunk - just what I enjoy for companionship!
Joined: 8/18/2012
Msg: 67
Student at 50+
Posted: 10/7/2012 7:57:23 PM
I don't think so I myself am looking into going and getting an Associates degree
Joined: 11/22/2013
Msg: 68
Student at 50+
Posted: 2/15/2014 11:21:11 AM
I admire your drive to improve yourself, but my first reaction when I see student or retired is that income is very fixed. I definitely don't believe you're not working hard, no way. I earned my MBA while working full time and it was very demanding. I suppose one of my concerns would be your attitude towards a relationship once you completed your education. In other words, you weren't looking for a sugar daddy while you went to school only.

You'd be surprised by the few women, in their 20's mind you, that are studying for 2 Master's degrees, that have approached me online. My first thought was, really? Sounds like you need help with student loans.

I'm sure you're more mature but yeah, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some concerns over the student thing.

I'd also wonder how much time you had to date?

A stay at home mom with 2 kids and studying for her PhD in Law, while working full time, said she could plan a first date 10 days later. My first thought was, when's the 2nd date?

Anyway, congrats for completing your education:)
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 69
Student at 50+
Posted: 2/15/2014 12:25:28 PM
paintroses- I'm 45 and I'm about to do it. I have been an LPN for many years and have always thought about going back for my RN. I finally decided to take the leap and go for it.
This is my life and I'm trying to better myself. Anyone that has an issue with that isn't someone I want.
Joined: 6/7/2006
Msg: 70
Student at 50+
Posted: 2/16/2014 2:11:29 PM
I went to college last year to upgrade my current computer skills so that I could compete for a job...unfortunately I've learned that the corporate world isn't looking for 55-60 year old women no matter how much they know and could contribute to their company. Have to remember we are competing with the 20 something 'whiz kids' who grew up on computers. I also imagine that employers look at a mature adult and wonder how long we'd actually work for them...wondering if it'll be a year or two and then they'd retire. I've given up looking for a job and have semi-retired...I'm doing ok, but do get very bored. This translates to my social life as well, I can't even meet anyone anymore. I have girlfriends and family, but once in a while I'd love to go out with a man. I don't go to football games or hockey games by myself, or out to dinner. I have joined a couple of "meetup" groups, however find it's mostly women who join. The province I live in apparently offers university courses for senior citizens for FREE...and I'll be all over that!
Joined: 10/30/2013
Msg: 71
Student at 50+
Posted: 2/17/2014 7:20:03 AM
I think improving oneself - at any age is awesome, and I'd be proud to date a student at my age. The only (slight) stumbling block for me would be not lack of income - but time. If you're dating a student who is serious about her studies, you'll have to be patient and find time when you can.
Joined: 6/18/2010
Msg: 72
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Student at 50+
Posted: 3/8/2014 8:15:12 PM
The question is not complete.....big red flag? For what ?
For looking at you ? For talking to you from the other side of the street ? .or going to a coffee/tea/soda ? What is behind the "red flag" ?
Joined: 5/25/2013
Msg: 73
Student at 50+
Posted: 3/9/2014 3:27:18 PM
Whether student or not a lack of income is not really a deterrent.

Whether a student is rich or poor all it really takes is just a little creative thought on your part to enjoy your partner without COST.

A few examples

Go for a walk, hike, or bike ride.
Introduce each other to your favorite music.
Go to an author reading at a library or bookstore.
Offer to babysit a friend's child together (if you don't have one of your own, that is).
Make up a walking tour and play tour guide for your date.
Sign up to volunteer together for a cause that you are both passionate about
Go on a brewery tour. or tour any Historical venue in your city that's free.
Teach your date a skill or one of your favorite hobbies.
Sit in a park, or the Mall and people watch.
Check out shows or lectures at a local college; many list events open to the public on their websites.
Go Roller skating
Never a cost to watch a movie on TV together

Sounds like just another silly excuse that keeps people from meeting others.

If dating is about getting to know someone vs a desire to be entertained, then I guess they'll continue looking for a man or woman with money.
Joined: 8/12/2012
Msg: 74
Student at 50+
Posted: 3/10/2014 11:08:21 PM

Good for you--I am 60 and in a Masters program. If someone doesn't like that you are in college and avoids you, seriously, have you really missed anything?
Joined: 6/9/2009
Msg: 75
Student at 50+
Posted: 3/11/2014 11:34:32 AM
I retired after I hit 51 and wouldn't date a woman over 50 that is a student unless she was retired . I do not prefer to be around what I consider professional students , who make a career out of going to school .
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