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 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
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since you all hate petroleum development projects so badly, and LOVE the 'natural environment' I take it that I may assume that you have quit driving cars, heating your homes with oil and/or natural gas, flying in aircraft, using petroleum-burning trains, buses & the like?

because that would be the NON-hypocritical type of thing to do, ya know?


or do y'all live in some fantasy world where liberal politicians "create" vast supplies of petroleum and gasoline with no drilling or pipelines, by saying : "it should be so" ? by writing a "position paper" or 'policy paper' ?

meanwhile Darryl Hannah, hypocrite-in-chief, no doubt puts in hundred of thousands of miles on jet-fuel burning aircraft, private jets, etc., annually.burning through hundreds or thousands of barrels of oil annually with the carbon footprint of at least 100 'normal', average folks..
she's a lot like the other Hollywood 'elite' windbags who know what's good for the little people but need not follow the "rules', nor endure a twig of privation at all, themselves -but tell you you should do with less, have your temp. at 55 in winter & 85 in summer..

but she is part of the 'elite' and need not follow the rules she suggests for the 'little people' , use much less oil! She is above all that because she has been in Hollywood movies and is better than, and far superior to, you. (or me)
 laskoboo
Joined: 2/12/2010
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Posted: 10/14/2012 3:35:02 PM


You chose your path in life.
Just like the wealthy chose their path.
They worked hard and are now reaping the rewards of their labour.
Kudos for them on knowing how to make money.
They deserve it ... as they are working to make it.
What is wrong with making a profit?
I work for myself, and by no means am I rich, but I DO INTENT to run my business at a profit.
If not ... then I should close it down and find something else.

Your comment above states that you are bitter, and incapable of moving forward.
Do you always blame others for your lack of funds?

Oh pooorrrrr me!!!

If I can't manage my budget with what I make, I don't whine about it ...
I go out and get more clients so I CAN manage my budget.



I agree mostly.
Reminds me of some very rich friends. I know them well. Saw pics of their first "house" which was a
mobile home, 2 bedroom... as they had just married and rent cheaper than an apt. At 20 and 22, in school, which THEY PAID FOR. Over the years, the careful planning... they now live in a mansion. This is paid for.
I do not see them wasting any money. They have worked hard. They expect no hand outs. they are fair with people and very nice people in general. He is now 62, recently self employed. They are role models in every way... financially, socially, emotionally and spiritually.
The notion "rich people" are the root of americas problems is stupidity. Those who are working, work hard, if they make lots of money.. its theirs.

Self employed work hard. If they make a lot of money, that is their concern, not everyone elses.

Apparently OP... you do not know any wealthy people who are classy. That can be the only reason for your bitterness about them. If they laugh at you it is likely due to your behavior, not that they are wealthy.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2012 5:02:14 PM
The rich as a group, are no more to blame for our problems than are the poor or the middle class. What I am most annoyed with, has been how too many people of various political stripes, have tried to pit one segment of America against the other.

In fact, my argument against tax breaks for the wealthy has nothing at all to do with resenting them, or with any thought that they are bad people. My argument against it is simply that too many of the people making it right now, are both giving erroneous reasons for doing so, and/or are declaring that when times are hard, and budgets tight, that only the poor and middle classes should shoulder the financial burden.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 10/14/2012 7:55:08 PM
How has this economy hurt you or has it?


The economy is going how those in power want it to go. Not the corporations. The Government. The harder things get the more people need them and depend on them for services. They live in class struggle and want everyone to see the gulf between the have and have nots while those that really have work on Capital Hill and eat a whole lot better then the average worker.

It sucks. Capitalism is resource management. It has vulnerabilities that can be exploited. We are not taught capitalism in our schools so we don't even know what its for.

An economy is a difficult thing to plan centrally. Thats why its getting so screwed up. California is a great example of how to tax an economy to death.

Welcome to the world of the liberal generation.
 Padawan61
Joined: 3/1/2008
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Posted: 10/14/2012 8:26:33 PM
Didn't Obama cave-in to the environmentalist hippies (who probably drives gas-guzzling SUVs to their protest rants) in rejecting the Keystone Pipeline project earlier in the year that would have provided some jobs to the American economy??


In addition to being misinformed, you are wildly out of date with your prejudices. The "hippies" have been out of fashion for a couple of decades. The opposition to the pipeline was a mixture of various groups, not primarily environmental types

Right ... only Obama-lovers are "informed" posters. The "hippy" label was a stab at all the crazy and hypocritical protestors of all colors and stripes, whether they're tree-huggers or occupiers.

Didn't Obama cave-in to the environmentalist hippies (who probably drives gas-guzzling SUVs to their protest rants) in rejecting the Keystone Pipeline project earlier in the year that would have provided some jobs to the American economy??


The land destroying, water destroying and land stealing is still going on via the Keystone Pipeline Project so I do not know where your rant comes from

I wasn't ranting about Keystone at all. In fact, I think Canada should process the oil ourselves and keep the jobs here. Then sell the petroleum products to countries other than the US since we Canucks make "dirty" oil. Just don't whine about high unemployment and starving poor people in your country. Goes with the territory of kicking out big bad oil companies.

What is wrong with making a profit?
I work for myself, and by no means am I rich, but I DO INTENT to run my business at a profit

It goes without saying that a person's intent on starting a business is to make a profit. No person in their right mind will assume all the financial risks of a business venture to operate at a loss ... just to give poor people a job. The problem of those with OP's mentality is that they believe they're hard done by the rich ... and business owners should not focus on profits but rather the livelihood of the worker. Good luck with that, OP.

A business owner is no different than Wall Street investors. They expect a return on investment ... above all else.

I'm NOT wealthy but I'm tired of all this rich-bashing.

meanwhile Darryl Hannah, hypocrite-in-chief, no doubt puts in hundred of thousands of miles on jet-fuel burning aircraft, private jets, etc., annually.burning through hundreds or thousands of barrels of oil annually with the carbon footprint of at least 100 'normal', average folks

I have never had any respect for the viewpoints of celebrity HICs (Hypocrite-in-Chief) such as Darryl Hannah. And there were quite a few of these Hollywood hypocrites protesting anything oil ... including Al Gore and his film, "An Inconvenient Sweat Stain". They do it for self-serving publicity AND profit ... nothing more. And FFS, all that protesting has made Hannah look like a old hag.

since you all hate petroleum development projects so badly, and LOVE the 'natural environment' I take it that I may assume that you have quit driving cars, heating your homes with oil and/or natural gas, flying in aircraft, using petroleum-burning trains, buses & the like?

As if that will ever happen, huh?? People love to throw around their "holier-than-thou" attitude while they sit comfortably behind their computers in warm homes powered by fossil fuels.
 DRKKNGHT193
Joined: 9/23/2012
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Posted: 10/14/2012 9:50:30 PM
Whoever thinks the Corporation's aren't in bed with the Government are blind. Especially Oil, they receive largesse on a gross scale and have used our Military forces to control Oil futures in Iraq. They have built this society around a finite resource and are scrambling to keep us on their tits.

It's been well documented most Politicians leave Washington to become Lobbyists and Consultants for some of the same companies they received Donations aka bribes from, also there is documentation of the SEC and Wall Street having a revolving door.

If I could afford to fit my car to run on alt-fuels or grease I'd do it in a heartbeat. Until then I will lobby for anything that doesn't control my life via the pump.

Lastly, as a Progressive I see American's value consumerism and a failed system of economics as a means to an end, you're going to let money continue to pollute the political system and deny that its the problem? You think Corporations are people? You're part of the problem. Capitalists are deranged, there is no such thing as a free-market, it's a myth and almost a religion with how that phrase is used.

American's are far behind the rest of the industrialized world because they think they're all millionaires in temporary hardship, or at least Conservatives do.
 Fluke420
Joined: 8/28/2012
Msg: 31
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Posted: 10/14/2012 10:01:32 PM
middle class America is burning down and wealthy americans think buiding afirehouse will help.

They just dont feel the pinch. This country needs help now before crime gets out of control.
I see someone get robbed and killed everyday here in the philly area.
it has been increasing for 10 years
 DRKKNGHT193
Joined: 9/23/2012
Msg: 32
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Posted: 10/14/2012 10:09:05 PM
As long as Unions are being busted wages will continue to drop, along with more FTA's that undermine workers and a inequality that is of top earners: 700% to 5-7% for workers. Obama didn't have an inner FDR or else we'd be through this and the last thing we need is more Herbert Hoovers and Calvin Coolidges in office.
 Dancing_4_You
Joined: 1/21/2006
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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:05:29 AM
igor, i felt very badly reading about your situation, especially with a special needs child. having fost/adopted three of my own, now grown, wonder are there any special programs you can qualify for? often the hospital social workers can help identify pots of services that are not general public knowledge.

here there are special funds for large ticket items if a person does not qualify for welfare, but also has not enough $$$ for health insurance. also, sometimes trade associations have some sort of group package. aarp has some stuff, depending upon age. even if castrophic coverage, you can see if public health can fill in the prevention services, especially given your special needs parent status. way more costly if you were to get sick and nobody to care for the child.

spoken as an ex hospital vp and consultant before i came down with my lyme disease.

to answer the question, i shrunk money after the divorce but with most of the care for the kids, though grown, still unique needs. the ex's wife covers their medical insurance, well two of them, but only one has wanted it. other than that, he always pleads poverty. next year my private disability which thank G, i paid for when young, shrinks a good amount, so downsizing and moving to smaller place. wish i could afford to help my kids more. but, i did teach them how to do certain things in a very small window as adopted them 10-13. one never made adoption, but still working on him to get to college.

as to dating, most people here have found ways to have fun and shrink budgets. but sure, i miss the old life with respect to all that. yet, have found the other side of life and hominess (not sure that's a word:)) it does help to have a manfriend who cares about me, helps me and vice versa.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:40:03 AM
As Will Rogers said in 1932, " Things are getting so bad, the Baptists are starting to talk to each other in the liquor stores ".
 statesshapes
Joined: 6/11/2011
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:43:40 AM
What are you talking about? This is the best economy ever!!! 7.8% unemployment is awesome. Thank you Obama for that and $5 a gallon for gas. Oh and I didn't forget the billions in bailouts to big businesses while us little guys get nothing.

Vote Obama. Once you go black, you never go back!!! Obama forever!!!!!!!
 L_LuuLuu
Joined: 8/2/2009
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Posted: 10/20/2012 5:34:53 AM

Sure it's always easier to deflect the blame to the rich folks but it's really the socialists who has screwed you.


Amen to that, Pada!!! You said it ALL in just one sentence!

And, to Igor -- Nope! the hippies are alive and well! Most of them our "occupying" Wall Street and our streets. The rest of them have taken offices in the Beltway.

They're either the homeless bums that their drugged up unemployed lifestyles, have made of them or they got rich, got into politics and bamboozling the so called "poor". Some of them have corrupted our finest Universities as tenured teaching staff, raking tons of cash indoctornating our youth. A few of them have even managed to disguise themelves by cleaning up, cutting their hair, getting jobs and are lurking on the POF forums. And MAYBE a few actually grew up, started paying taxes, got a grip and bolted the party But they didn't just all suddnely die. They're out there. And if you read the news behind the news, you'll see who they are.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 2/7/2013 3:20:37 PM
Normally I have negative words to say about Texas. Today I can say we are really booming. My small town ranked #4 in employment according to Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ef45gjfgm/no-4-san-angelo-texas/

I have been wondering why so much traffic for awhile. It's starting to seem more like a larger city traffic scene. Any direction I head out of town is inundated with heavy traffic (not normal or wasn't normal), restaurants are packed, and apparently so are the motels.

I believe it is all the oil, water, and natural gas drilling going on. Of course with all the additional people showing up it will mean more and more jobs and businesses opening up.

I cannot call this a bad economy at all.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:18:33 PM
Whoever thinks the Corporation's aren't in bed with the Government are blind. Especially Oil, they receive largesse on a gross scale and have used our Military forces to control Oil futures in Iraq. They have built this society around a finite resource and are scrambling to keep us on their tits.


This is pretty much delusional thinking.

Corporations are not real. They do not do anything on their own. They are run by groups of people. Government isn't real. It is a system of policies and procedures. Adherence to it is basically an agreement of groups.

Of course if government creates a crapton of bruish regulations and taxes that a corporation will offer or influence any way they can. That includes Government officials that are sympathetic towards corporations. It isn't a magical war being fought on another plane of existence. It is people trying to figure crap out.

Progressives are idiots. They create the class of haves and have not's and then pit one group against the other in a blind effort to create a non existing magical world free of the burden of want. You can't have it. It doesn't exit. It will never exist until some point in the distant future where the means of distribution are so elementary and common for necessities that little to no effort is required in their delivery. Basically... wake up.... The TV show is called "Star Trek the Next Generation" All manner of high quality food stuff is created in a replicator and medical needs are handled by a quick scan and most human health issues are dealt with by a simple pill and anything more severe is just a beam of nano-tech away.

Back here in the real world it requires people, groups, corporations, governments working to deliver even the most basic comforts in the modern world. None of this existed 200 years ago. You couldn't sit your lazy ass on a couch in a HUD housing playing freakin X-box and ****ing about how the economy is slow...

So, instead of blaming the people that go out and start a company that provides a service that happens to do something people like start by blaming yourself first for not appreciating that your not without food , clothes, and shelter of any kind and that there are a crap ton of very smart idiots out there that are willing to keep trying to figure out how to make star trek a reality just so some not so mythical lazy as douche bag can leach of the rest of society and go get high while everyone else works.

From what I have seen in recent personal experience... it is the douche bag liberals that are in the higher positions of corporate personnel mgmt that are laying people off to meet a fictional number created in an excel spreadsheet. All the while they live their personal lives of caring and joining and supporting douchebag causes.

My friend who is a socialist is getting first hand experience about how 'caring' liberals really are. He doesn't know it but he's a conservative. He just thinks that the acts of being a decent human being is equal to socialism. It's not. It's the opposite. Picking names from a spreadsheet sorted by income level is socialist. Knowing the names of those peoples and if they have families is a decent human being. Picking those names based on anything other then a sorted list in excel is a decent human being. It has to be done. But doesn't mean you have to be a douche and then go fly off in the corporate jet back to douchland.
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