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 Michael.Jay
Joined: 9/18/2012
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I call the USofGay that as it as I hate the place and all it stands for, it is a war mongering imerialist empire, it is a blight on humanity but guess what, it's NOT racist to say so. The USofGay is full of IDIOTS, are they all idiots? NO they are not but there are sufficient numbers of idiots to tarnish the whole country. Reverse racism (absolutely an OXYMORON IMO) is just plain simple racism, you can pretend all you want it isn't however that doesn't make it a fact. Whites (particularly poor ones which is most of us) have and still do suffer racism.
Asians, Blacks, Whites and everyone in between behave racistly, one has to only look at the hatred between Hutus and Tutsis to see a fine example of racism. I as a white fellow cannot tell the difference between them however they can and this causes them to slaughter each other without mercy.
I live in a country town with plenty of Kooris does racism exist here ? You bet it does with most from the indigenous population towards the white population the popular racist slur by them is (modified for POF) "white vagina" ... I hear it said way to much. I also hear the racist card played way to much as well ... "why won't you serve me a drink ya white vagina, are you racist?" ... "no you dumbass it's because you've had to much to drink already" this scenario and similar happens a lot.

The chap from the UK beamonjump is just generalizing and obviously has a chip on his shoulder and as I correctly stated hasn't lived here therefore doesn't know what he is talking about re: Kooris

As pointed out the world is run by a tiny bunch of people who think they are "elites", these filthy scumbags don't give a toss what colour skin you have as you are poor, you don't have the power, they have nothing but contempt for us all, in fact they hate us and see us all as their slaves and happily create wars to slaughter us and enrich themselves.
 robertaus
Joined: 1/26/2010
Msg: 27
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Posted: 10/22/2012 6:56:57 PM

however..

In Cairns there is an emergency aboriginal housing centre in town.
if your homeless and black you get a 2 week stay..but you must be black or Torres Straight Islander.
If your white without a roof your sleeping in the park, regardless of beds available..
that ticks me off to no end.

there is no context you can put that in to make it right. how many worlds do we have to live on !!


Don't the salvos have facilities for homeless people in Cairns?
 robertaus
Joined: 1/26/2010
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:05:42 AM

rob I have never had the need, but I assume the salvo's dont care for race or creed or colour when they feed or house or help. they just see people who could do with a hand. but this aboriginee emergency housing is govt funded, run and worked by aboriginees, i was just raising that issue of equality


I can understand the concern re equality.However our Government does fund centres as you describe.They have recognised that Aboriginals are the most economically disadvantaged minority group in Australia.Do some Aboriginals take advantage of this? Probably.But we shouldn't stereotype all Aboriginals as many white Australians do.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:51:28 AM
beamonjump

Yes, every or most white people are racist. *yawn*

No black person has ever done wrong *yawn*

Don't hold back your opinions lol.

Just think of the lord resistance army lol. Or just think about how a white person is treated in many places in Africa.

Noooo all a myth :)
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 30
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:56:38 AM
beamonjump

Think about all the oppression in African countries, now compare it to western countries.

Big difference ay?
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 31
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Posted: 10/23/2012 4:05:32 AM
What are the chances of a white person getting kidnapped and/or killed because of their race in Africa compared to a black person getting kidnapped and/or killed in the western world because of their race?
 Michael.Jay
Joined: 9/18/2012
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:55:40 PM

Posted By: beamonjump ... I believe that ALL white people have internalized some racist thoughts.


Breathtaking ! This post says it all as far as I'm concerned, you sir are a RACIST ... end of story, no further discussion entered into .
 MrsNaamah
Joined: 11/8/2011
Msg: 33
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Posted: 10/23/2012 6:32:39 PM

Posted By: beamonjump ... I believe that ALL white people have internalized some racist thoughts.
Breathtaking ! This post says it all as far as I'm concerned, you sir are a RACIST ... end of story, no further discussion entered into .
Humans are very good at selectively finding evidence that confirms what they already think. You know, he also said...
So my belief is that the seeds of racism / white supremacy has been planted in every white, black or Asian person.
He's trying to describe a forest, and you can only see trees.

Beamonjump, you write exceptionally well. Actually I was so impressed with some parts of your posts that I shared them around. The construction. And the tone. It comes across as very centred. It conveyed to me not just a series of observations, not just an opinion, but an intelligently considered perspective and the associated feeling of having that perspective. But I think the most striking thing is that your writing is unusually peaceful. It’s very rare to see racism ever described or discussed peacefully, and yet still self-assuredly. I’m usually not much of a one for lavishing praise on total strangers, but if this is consistently your writing style, then I reckon you have a gift for composition.

On the other hand I think presenting this angle was beneath you:

if you go to wedding you wear white and you go to a funeral you were black. Angels food cake is white, devils food cake is black. "I’m going to black mail you" Im going to black ball you" If one is the black sheep of the family.

I figure you were trying to convey that the attitudes you wish to see changed infiltrate so extensively that those of us facing no personal disadvantage often don’t see it anymore…within language, social rituals, attire etc but I think going down that path actually detracts from your argument. It sounds like level of stuff TMU would bring up and then beat his chest about as if it proved something. Plus it’s too damn easy to counter-argue. (Eg: Sure, traditionally brides wear white, but grooms wear black, and traditional protocol suggests that guests don’t wear either colour. Batman wears black and he’s a goodie. Didn’t James Bond villains often wear white suits and stroke white cats? A white feather denotes cowardice. In graphic design white space is referred to as negative. A black belt is the best ranking in martial arts. When looking at an x-ray of your lungs, white is definitely not good. ...and there are commercial reasons why farmers are less than thrilled when a black sheep is born into their white flock, which does occasionally happen as a random genetic thing. Their disappointment is to do with increased shearing difficulty and less demand for the wool, and absolutely nothing to do with cross-species transference of racist attitudes.) Personally I think a lot of the black/white stuff in language originated not from any kind of connection to skin colour but from day/night...dark/light... an aversion to the dangers in the dark for a diurnal creature, even after we hooked up to the grid. But all this is blah blah stuff... it’s such a waste to give any avenue for someone opposing your arguments to distract from all else you’ve said by taking it off on this kind of meaningless tangent. You have better material than that.


In Cairns there is an emergency aboriginal housing centre in town.
if your homeless and black you get a 2 week stay..but you must be black or Torres Straight Islander.
If your white without a roof your sleeping in the park, regardless of beds available..
that ticks me off to no end.
And it stands out, right? It’s racist. But consider the stuff we just know of as normal life and how it feels to be us. It’s harder to spot examples of the invisible privilege of being white …and I’m not talking about being PM or running a corporation. I’m talking unearned advantages that we take for granted… like, say, can your Aboriginal/TI mates say the following with the same degree of certainty you can?....

I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes or not answer letters without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.

I can do well in a challenging situation without being called “a credit to my race”.

I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

I can be sure that if I ask to talk to "the person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race.

If a traffic cop pulls me over, or if I’m picked out for a tax audit, or to be tested for chemical residue at airport security, it doesn’t even cross my mind that I might have been singled out because of my race.

I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of race.

I can be pretty sure that if I move, my new neighbours will be neutral or pleasant to me.


Ask em, Caves.
 robertaus
Joined: 1/26/2010
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/24/2012 12:10:13 PM

If a traffic cop pulls me over, or if I’m picked out for a tax audit, or to be tested for chemical residue at airport security, it doesn’t even cross my mind that I might have been singled out because of my race.


I can add to that.A good mate of mine is Aboriginal and every time he gets pulled up the cop asks "is this your car?". I've never been asked that.So is the cop saying really "did you steal this car?". I've heard other Aboriginals say this as well.In a way it would be pretty insulting.What they should do is reply "no i stole it just like you think i have".
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/24/2012 12:47:50 PM

For my post to be racist I would have to say that one race is naturally better than another.


I consider it "racism" when you have paranoia over other people simply because of their skin colour. Just like in your case how you think the big white bogeyman is after you simply because they are white and you are black.

Racism is racism. If it's racism going in one direction, that means it's racism going in the other. No double standards.

If I had paranoia over people simply because they had black skin as for thinking all blacks are likely to be criminals, people everywhere would be deeming me as a racist.

This isn't much different to your extreme paranoia over white people.

You can't just pick and choose when you want equality. Equality means equality 24/ 365 days a year in every single area in life. No flip flopping.


What keeps racism alive is that whites are not forced to face up to it. Most hide behind well-scripted excuses and lies. In fact most, like you, think you are not racist because you see racism as requiring hatred and false beliefs. Therefore as long as you stick to contempt and science you think you're safe.



My post challenges you (Something you hate and are not accustomed to)


My post educates you.(How dare you ! you are black, nonetheless)


My posts opens your minds. (Sort of. After all, white knows everything)


My posts dispells myths. ( kind of. After all, white is right)


Blacks AREN"T forced to face up to racism neither. It's your extremism and delusions that's making you think this way.

Has it ever occurred to you that you're delusional? It's all in your mind? Sure, some white people may have these mentalities but I think you take it way too far which veers in the direction of you being the one racist as you seem to have serious serious serious ****ING SERIOUS trust issues with white people.


You have been spoon fed lies your whole lives and now it’s too late


What lies? Tell me what these lies are exactly? We aren't living in the ages where blacks are still slaves. We are living in the modern age where society in general has no such negative towards blacks.

You seem stuck in a different generation and imagine that it's all still happening now when its been over since before you were born.

You were never a victim of the inhumane treatment blacks faced generations ago but yet you act like you are and you seem to want a free ride of the sympathy gravy train for something you were never a victim of.


So you lash out and throw tantrums, blame shifting, laughably claim whites are now the victims, you probably troll blogs and forums like these, you say anything so you can feel relevant, significant, and in control. But you’re not in control, and you’re slowly realizing you never really were


I call it freedom of speech.

You seem to think that white people aren't allowed to disagree with you. In fact, you think white people aren't allowed to have their say, period. This is the exact type of mentality that you are accusing white people of. It's a superiority complex. Your voice only matters, we should all shut up as ours is inferior.

If whites have their freedom of speech too and have a mind of their own which is different to yours, you lash out with such shaming tactics such as what is quoted above.

I never ever compared whites being victims to how blacks have had it in the past. The simple fact is that whites face racism too. Blacks are racist too. If whites aren't allowed to complain about that, there is serious something wrong.

What do you bloody expect? A black person is allowed to slap a whitey across the face and we are expected to turn the other cheek? If we complain, it means..."So you lash out and throw tantrums, blame shifting, laughably claim whites are now the victims, you probably troll blogs and forums like these, you say anything so you can feel relevant, significant, and in control. But you’re not in control, and you’re slowly realizing you never really were"

Seriously, you are so out of touch with reality, it's truly disturbing.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:09:41 AM

Even if a black person when out and killed a white person and said “I hate white people !!”



That’s not racism


And that's where I stopped reading folks.

How can any logical person take you seriously when you say such ludicrous crap like this?

You're not worth a proper reply to all what you said as you truly are way out of touch with reality. Seek professional help.
 robertaus
Joined: 1/26/2010
Msg: 37
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Posted: 10/26/2012 3:44:59 PM
Is not this thread about racist Australia? The UK is irrelevant.If the Uk is as racist as he claims then why did they allow blacks to migrate there to start with?Sounds like a load of crap to me.
 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 38
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Posted: 10/26/2012 6:00:45 PM
Gentlemen, the topic is about Mundine slams racist Australia and not about other races and countries as you have moved to.

Even tho all of you have covered some valid points in your for and against arguments about racism you have strayed a tad from the original question.

Too many people Mundine is a Racist to a lot of people whether they be white, black, asian and any other race of people who he thinks have pushed down his own people.

Unfortunately he engages his mouth before he engages his brain.

Some of his comments have alienated him from the main stream of groups who are fighting the war on racism.

One of his best and most stupidist comments was the one about the victims of the twin towers where he said during an interview that the victims of that sad event got what they deserved because of their actions of putting down blacks, basically.

Then he was surprised at the amount of anger that was directed at him over those comments.

Mundine may have attained some wins in his rugby league and boxing endeavours but he is not a gracious winner nor is he a gracious loser.

He has a long way to to to reach the respect that past aboriginals have attained, like his father, Lionel Rose and countless other people.

When I was growing up, I was friends with a family who are aboriginal and as a child I hated going over to their place after school because the mother of that family made us kids do our home work before we could play, such a disaster for kids.

However, when that mother passed away at her funeral was the Premier of the state and the ministers of police, aboriginal affairs, health and education and former ministers of those departments paying their respects to a woman who wasn't white or black or asian or rich, they were paying their respects to an amazing woman who raised her children to be exceptional at their jobs.

This woman was honoured for ability to reach aboved the racist taunts of her childhood and too instil in her children that it doesn't matter if your white, black, asian or whatever, you can achieve the impossible if your willing to do the hard yards.

This woman was and is someone who earned her respect not by making grand and stupid comments like Mundine but by her committment to her children by instilling in them that regardless of their skin colour, it is what is inside that person that counts.
 Michael.Jay
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Posted: 10/26/2012 7:20:51 PM

Posted By: qldblue on 10/27/2012 12:00:45 PM
He has a long way to to to reach the respect that past aboriginals have attained, like his father, Lionel Rose


Umm, you are wrong bluey ... hint look at his last name! Lionel Rose is not his dad, his dad was former boxing champ Tony Mundine

In regards to posts by this chap beamonjump


Posted by beamonjump: 10/27/2012 141 AM Even if a black person when out and killed a white person and said “I hate white people !!”

That’s not racism


Hahaha is this guy for real ? If I said this in reverse I would be reported to the police and be facing charges of hate crime/racism and that's a fact so in a way this TROLL beamonjump and that is what he is a TROLL (don't feed the trolls, I should listen to my own advice) has proven to us here that in fact there is institutionalized racism in Australia and it's racism AGAINST white people who are not allowed to speak their minds even if they sincerely believe in what they are saying for fear of prosecution and gaol so thanks to the TROLL is in order ... Thanks TROLL/beamonjump, BTW you are also a long winded tool much like A. Mundine !!!
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 40
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Posted: 10/26/2012 8:01:48 PM
Some people from any race are racist. Blacks can be racist, asians can be racist, arabs can be racist.

To say that whites don't face racism is being simplistic.

No whole race is more innocent than another. We are all human and we are all capable of any evil.

Do aboriginals have it great in Australian society? Very far from it. Do white people have it great in Australian society? Again, very far from it. The only people who live these great privileged lifes are the rich and powerful, which is only a very small minority of the whole population.
 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 41
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Posted: 10/27/2012 2:48:06 AM
not wrong as my text reads; like his father comma Lionel Rose.......

My mistake would have been; like his father Lionel....... if I had left out the comma.
 Noxious_Hysteria
Joined: 8/25/2008
Msg: 42
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Posted: 10/28/2012 4:08:03 PM
Anthony Mundine needs to keep his fists up, his opinions down and his mouth shut. I had a friend I worked with who followed St George when he was a footballer and her addage was absolutely right; 'That W*nker Mundine'. It has stood the test of time!
 MrsNaamah
Joined: 11/8/2011
Msg: 43
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Posted: 10/29/2012 5:37:37 PM

like i said she is a damn fine hottie,

Now how good a mate am I, hey!!! Giving you a perfectly sound reason to call a hot chick. Can't help but notice you haven't called Phil yet... Interesting though innit, that some of those things she can't say yes to whereas I'd be surprised if any white skinned person didn't answer yes to all in a "well yeah of course" kind of fashion. It's gotta impact on the overall sense of yourself. Meanwhile, in another part of the city, short people feel hated over far less.


Even if a black person when out and killed a white person and said “I hate white people !!”
That’s not racism
Because if any black person were to try they would go to jail.
FOREVER.
That’s not racism. Racism is when you can kill people and get away with it.

They are both examples of racism. Whilst a racist system is scarier than a racist individual, neither could continue to exist without the other.



Getting anyone to give up an advantage is always going to be an uphill battle. And don't kid yourself that the downtrodden are all somehow better people. The same percentage would do some trodding themselves, given the chance. That's humans for ya. (Is my misanthropy showing?)

btw who the hell is Anthony Mundine?
 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 44
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Posted: 10/31/2012 5:35:34 AM
Beamonjump, some of what you say has some relevance but your relevance is shattered when you attack people who are supporting equality because in your view they are white so therefore they are racist.

If your going to generalise that ALL white people are racist then the same method of generalization could be used and say that deep down all black people are criminals and drug users.

We both know that isn't true as all races of people have their good and bad, their rich and poor and so on.

Like a lot of Australians I have mixed bloodlines incorporating english, scottish, asian and aboriginal, will I say sorry for the actions of my forebearers, that is a resounding NO.

Your point about the Arabs selling black africans is a valid point but so is the point that black africans also assisted in the capture and selling into slavery of other black africans and even the whites got into the act.

Even today slavery still exists, maybe you have heard of the white slave trade.

In the 1930's to about 1945 the Japanese had sex slaves and in thelate 1930's to 1945 the Nazis had slave labour.

The topic here is Mundine slams racist Australia.

This man called into question another aboriginal's right to be classed as an aboriginal as well as attacking the man's wife and child who happen to be white.

I am not sure what caused the race riots in england a few years ago but do your people a favour and do not attack people who are not the same colour as you who are promoting equality.
 kmac6
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Posted: 10/31/2012 5:54:10 AM
Well said!! I am another who has Scottish background and the clan was near wiped out and driven to either America or here in Aussie Land. I could go spouting off "Bloody Pommie B'stards if I wanted.. But then the other side is English so the point is moot. Having a chip on ones shoulder only does oneself injustice.

Be bigger than the past and make things better in your life.
 qldblue
Joined: 2/4/2009
Msg: 46
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Posted: 10/31/2012 2:10:05 PM
Not really Brien, it is more the old school upbringing, you the style; if you want to make a difference in this world then start with yourself first and do not expect others to know what you want, that is how my Grandmother taught me.

I am not a person who will place blame on another for what their ancester did a couple of hundred years ago and I am not a person who will use the wrongs done to me by a person who died a hundred years before I was even conceived as a reason to hate.

One bad thing about history is that it is judged by todays standard which is not the way things were when it happened.

I see so many posts on this site written by people who are commenting on things that happened long before they were born and had been taught to them by new age teachers who take the privilage of free speech as their god given right and use that freedom to bad mouth those who fought for the right for people be equal.

Mundine is a racist but he keeps taking the white man's money and belittles his own race.
 RorschachTM
Joined: 1/28/2012
Msg: 47
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Posted: 10/31/2012 2:23:16 PM
While I largely agree with qldblue (probably 99%), and one shouldn't hate or blame people as such... but we don't have to be so distant from our past.

After all, a person is not merely born into this world and forms their identity on their own. There's culture that has been formed over generations that partially informs us who we are. Same with knowledge... people don't pull ideas out of their arses... they are just building on years of debate.

Ze problem here is history is much like statistics. Sure, there are statistical facts that can be confirmed, but depending on the wording and methods used in crunching of numbers, statistics can be manipulated easily. History can be used for guilt measures, to blame and hate as demonstrated in thread but that doesn't mean all mention of history in context to race relations/racism is bad or irrelevant.

Back to original point, couldn't care less about Mundine. Just another overpaid, brainless jock that gets more attention than he should. Why aren't people paying more attention to good blokes like Stuart MacGill? :P

Just my 2 cents.
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 48
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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:15:40 AM

beamonjump what are you doing in Europe then if you hate whites so much?


That's a good question. If he was in a black african nation, he couldn't use whitey as a multipurpose scapegoat for all his woes. So when he faces what ALL whites face, as it's a fact of life for everyone in all races, such as being rejected to be CEO, PM or president, or generally gets refused a job, or get's arrested for committing a crime, he can't blame racism for it.

I wonder what he would say then when he has no one to blame? lolz
 RorschachTM
Joined: 1/28/2012
Msg: 49
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:01:37 PM
hahahaha

thanks caves
best and funniest reply I've read since I joined this website.
agreed as well... but do I really have to choose between England and the Middle East?

Seems a bit like limited choices... or is me whinging about it racism too? :P
 gingerosity
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:01:49 AM
No, it's a stupid question because discrete races and countries don't exist outside of our minds. Concepts can be useful, but not in this particular case. People have no control over which bit of ground they're born on or the amount of skin pigmentation they have, so the concepts have no moral impetus. What people should and shouldn't do cannot be correlated to the accidental circumstances of their birth becuase all morality is derived from personal responsibility. This is why your statement on having nothing to feel guilty about is correct - the concept of 'original sin' is completely immoral.

The irony here is that the non-existence of distinct human races - our very uniformity - is the real origin of racism. We don't vilify chimps because they are actually different. It is only within the human race that exaggerating differences to try to create unique tribal identities developed from our primitive psyche.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
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