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 aussieblues
Joined: 11/22/2011
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" He considers himself a heterosexual male and he believes he got it from his ex girlfriend who is an escort (which she hid from him when they were dating, but that's another story for another day) ".......The blame game.....Positive is Positive, regardless of origin of infection. (although there are some awesome looking stats as regards to female to male infection rates relative to probability as source.)
I have no opinion of my own on your topic, I cant put myself in those shoes....people jump from aeroplanes all the time with more protection than rubber; yet ultimately????
Only that if you have a sexually transmittable infection or disease, I believe that one is morally obliged to be forthcoming about it: to give the potential risk taker a personal choice. Further, that if you have an infection or disease which can kill, you should have a legal obligation. Unfortunately, the law works in hindsight on these matters.
In Australia, new reporting of HIV is on the rise after 25 years at a steadily decreasing rate. A great proportion of those newly reported infected people are in their teenage years..Something to ponder, I guess........
There are dating sites for HIV positive people too..just saying ;-)
 localhustle
Joined: 5/2/2012
Msg: 22
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Posted: 10/25/2012 9:36:22 AM
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhell no,,, date over
 junkfoodjunkie79
Joined: 5/7/2012
Msg: 23
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Posted: 10/25/2012 10:56:32 AM
Hate to say it, but stupid question.
 Baron1644
Joined: 2/22/2009
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Heterosexual Sex with one person who is HIV+
Posted: 10/25/2012 1:26:10 PM
He is telling you lies.
First of all, it’s very hard for a man to get it from a woman doing vaginal sex only. So if HIV goes to a woman, transmission pretty much stops with her, and she’s doesn’t give it to anyone else. It’s a viral dead end.

And hardly any straight men get it, because it’s extremely hard for a man to get it from a woman, so not that much of it is going to women in the first place. The best way to get it is to get ****ed in the ass and have the guy ejaculate in your anus.
Men
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/how-do-you-get-hiv/
 Lighttruthrevisited
Joined: 10/19/2012
Msg: 25
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Posted: 10/25/2012 6:14:31 PM
I think it is wrong to withold this information on the first date period! It is a form of manipulation as i see it.
Who do they think they are?
If you hookup with some one who is very vulnerable, they maybe incapable of making good choices once they like someone.
There are a lot of things you learn about someone, after the mist is already there and some people will protect themselves and a lot will not.
4% chance is still a 4% chance , so 4 in 100 will lose their bet.
I know this sounds harsh, but what would you have your daughter do?
This relationship may never even move past the infatuation stage.
Even if one is tested you have to be tested again six months later.
 Waterl
Joined: 10/15/2012
Msg: 26
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Posted: 10/26/2012 2:24:33 AM
I wouldn't but if you want to be with them that much, talk to a doctor first about precautions with a person who is HIV+.
 meowkatt2012
Joined: 4/6/2012
Msg: 27
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Posted: 10/28/2012 8:00:54 PM
My foster daughter is HIV+ since shes a teen & has sex w her boyfriends. She always took her meds & her viral loads were zero. So there was no active HIV in her. Many couples after years of meds and zero viral loads stop using protection and babies born while on meds are born neg. Since it is much harder for a man to get it from a woman, I dont know if I could be w an HIV man. I guess if we used condom & always came on my tits or stomach, but , really I don't know. I hope I never get into that position.
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 28
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Posted: 10/29/2012 12:23:09 AM
HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health : it can be triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza, papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis, syphillis … : over sixty different conditions

“HIV…is one thousandth the size of a regular cell….HIV is simply a harmless piece of dead tissue, not unlike the numerous other retroviruses that exist in our body…”

and dumb dumb dumb dumb, HIV and Aid have never been linked by any medical study ever...


AND I would date/sleep with them in a heart beat...
 billingsmason
Joined: 2/3/2012
Msg: 29
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Posted: 10/29/2012 8:49:53 PM
amazing....................................................
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 30
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Posted: 10/29/2012 10:54:22 PM

Yep, it's just a coincidence that people who get Aids had HIV just before....


Nobel prize winner Luc Montaginer has come forward on record stating there is no connection to HIV and AIDS and over 1,000 of the world's top virologists agreeing with him , why do most people still believe this nonsense ? ...

Many people believe that HIV binds to Cd4 receptor site and locks onto and damages Tcells in this manner .... This has NEVER been proven .... In fact a healthy immune system clears HIV infection in about 2 weeks ... AZT( Azido-Thymidine) does kill your Tcells , which is why people who take AZT die very quickly ...



Size means little...
A microscopic amount of some poisons can still be lethal...


This "example" makes no sense to the topic, and you have taken a partial sentence out of context, and ran away with an idea off topic...
 MeetYourNextEx
Joined: 10/23/2012
Msg: 31
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Posted: 10/30/2012 1:23:59 AM
No lowering the risk...when it comes to life and death just doesn't cut it.
he should not engage in sex anymore and not risk the lives of others.
 HeartOn64
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 32
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:14:11 AM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_are_HIV_and_AIDS_related

HIV is a virus. You can get infected with this virus and at first you have few symptoms - a 'flu like reaction, which may repeat.
The virus attacks the immune system in your body and it is in turn atacked by the immune system. A war is waged in your body. During this time you will function more or less normally.

Eventually the virus may win the war, leaving your immune system crippled, hardly functional at all. And all the minor and major diseases that were previously resisted by your immune system are now free to wreak havoc in your body. And they do. You get multiple infections and cancers.
This heavily infected state is a syndrome (or a manifestation of a disease) called Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome or AIDS.

AIDS is usually fatal, though people have been pulled back from the brink by ARV drugs.

Note that HIV virus itself does not kill you - the other diseases kill. But to say that HIV is thus harmless is untrue. If someone shoots you, it is massive tissue damage due to the bullet that is fatal, but the agent that caused the tissue damage - the shooter, is responsible.
HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. When you get infected it is initially HIV. Then, when your T-cell count gets below 200 then you have AIDS.
 coderedjulia1
Joined: 5/27/2012
Msg: 33
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:27:55 AM
This is something you need to ask a doctor, not people on a forum. Honestly, and truthfully, no. And if I did, there would be no sexual contact.
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:43:49 AM
But to say that HIV is thus harmless is untrue


HIV is a difficult and inefficient virus to transmit from one organism to another, either accidentally, by sexual means, or even through deliberate injection. Many attempts have been made to infect primates with AIDS diseases through direct injection of HIV -- when so exposed, primates may develop typical antibody responses, but do not sicken and die. Around 150 chimpanzees have been injected with HIV by the National Institute of Health(USA), in a program which began about ten years ago, and all are still healthy. Needle-stick injuries in hospitals, where hospital workers are accidentally exposed to HIV-infected blood, also fail to demonstrate any cases of AIDS. The virus simply does not "infect" so easily, and even when it does, produces only the well-known antibody response, but not the symptoms of AIDS...


The HIV hypothesis of AIDS is rooted in the general viral theory of diseases. However, historically, viral theories of disease have generally failed to bring forth either cures or advancements in treatments. This is particularly true for cancer and other degenerative, immunologically-related disorders. Funding for virus research had precipitously declined over the years. But AIDS changed all that. HIV was announced, not at a scientific meeting, but rather at a Washington D.C. press conference...

In April 1984, Margaret Heckler, then Secretary of Health and Human Services, announced "The probable cause of AIDS has been found", and then introduced Dr. Robert Gallo, who presented his "discovery of the AIDS virus" to a story-hungry press. This political event was eventually overshadowed by the fact that Gallo had misrepresented "his" discovery of HIV -- in fact, he had acquired his samples of HIV on loan from the real discoverer, Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in Paris. A prolonged legal battle ensued regarding who would retain lucrative international patent rights to HIV-antibody testing, the so-called "AIDS Tests" which cost from $15 to $50 each...

Both the French and American governments got into the legal dispute, backing their respective scientists. Later, in an out-of-court settlement, both Gallo and Montagnier agreed to split the royalties, and a new "official history of the discovery of HIV" was written and distributed, expunged of all unpleasant references to the unethical stealing of ideas, or the legal dispute. Fortunately, Gallo was later exposed and no credible individuals in the scientific community supported the "official history". However, Gallo has never been censured for his unethical conduct; he collects new awards and medals nearly every month, and his laboratory is very-well funded by tax dollars...

By contrast, Duesberg,(look it up) the major vocal critic of the entire shabby affair, has been censored and isolated for his criticisms, his research funding terminated. As hundreds of millions of public dollars are being shovelled into the research laboratories of the HIV=AIDS researchers, and into generally ineffective and counter-productive "safe sex" educational programs, no advancements in the treatment or prevention of AIDS has taken place. The HIV Hypothesis of AIDS has produced no public health benefits, and is a total failure, but it is quite a gravy train for a lot of special interests!...
 HeartOn64
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:55:26 AM
So it's a "profit deal" then?

Ok.....you can have sex with people with HIV all you want.
If I have informed consent,I would rather avoid them whether it causes AIDS or not.

This is all news to me,so thanks for the insight.

http://www.avert.org/hiv-causes-aids.htm
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 36
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Posted: 10/30/2012 5:26:20 AM
^^^ Is not everything in life a"profit deal" ?

The route to most evils are, but if you want to find the devils, follow the patents...

and nothing personal , but you have provided a link from a charity,lol, a little irony there...

I can provide links from probably 100 different "sources", helping my case, and you might be able to provide "sources"/websites from lobbyist with their agenda, much like the above charity...
 HeartOn64
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 37
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Posted: 10/30/2012 6:17:07 AM
Charity or not,I was agreeing that there might be more than meets the eye when it comes to the "source" of AIDS.


^^^ Is not everything in life a"profit deal" ?


You can't buy love....oh wait....I guess you can. :(

Either way,would you say that HIV carries no risks to your health to the point that you would
willingly submit to sexual relations with a known carrier without any fear?

Forget the stigma attached to it,and all the people who intentionally and unintentionally pass it on to others,
I am talking about your health here.

I would not knowingly choose to have sex with someone who admits to having ANY STD.

But I do appreciate anyone who is forthright and gives me fair warning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Hotmerlot
Joined: 10/9/2012
Msg: 38
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Posted: 10/30/2012 4:54:47 PM
If I was HIV positive then I would stop dating or only date another HIV positive person. I can't imagine falling in love with someone and then finding out that I could be the instrument of a long slow death.

I would not knowingly sleep with someone that was HIV positive and would feel mislead if that person did not tell me straight away.
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 39
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Posted: 10/30/2012 8:41:24 PM

Either way,would you say that HIV carries no risks to your health to the point that you would
willingly submit to sexual relations with a known carrier without any fear?


It is really the understanding of it all, HIV is harmless...

Ill explain it this way..

If HIV, herpes, and all the other types of viruses that are latent in humans and animals living on the planet were capable of killing people, there would hardly be anyone left to treat the billions of sufferers. HIV, being a human retrovirus (produced by the body itself), is totally benign to its host cells and is, therefore, incapable of destroying any cell it has infected. This applies especially to the cells of the immune system, which are equipped with highly sophisticated defense mechanisms. For HIV to have any destructive value, it would literally have to flood the body with active viral particles...
Yet HIV can barely be detected even in late stage AIDS patients, despite using the most sensitive of tests...
 patrick28t
Joined: 7/28/2008
Msg: 40
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:15:20 PM
I would only date someone with HIV under the following circumstances:

She doesn't disclose until it's too late and I'm already head-over-heels in love (love triumphs over logic). Though if I were to catch HIV from my lover, she had best stick around until death due us part. If she would leave me alone and undateable, I'd probably end up violent.

The other way I would date someone with HIV is if I had it already.
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 41
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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:03:32 AM

(and I don't mean stupid internet sites run by conspiracy theorists and other intellectual misfits –


Intellectual misfits,lmao, like scientist, doctors and individuals that know what they are talking about is maybe what you mean?…Are you serious…Have you visited internet pages,lol…I assume not, as they have verbatim quotes from professionals in their fields, written book verbatim quotes, Newspaper articles, and case studies documented, as internet sites are simply virtual platforms to display information, which is governed by law…


A few of the “intellectual misfits” you speak of…

Dr. Mercola - "It may seem inconceivable to some of you, but disease is Big Business. And, if you’re cynical – which seems to become easier with each passing day -- it’s a way to achieve population control while making huge profits in the process."

Dr Robert E. Willner-“…instead of trying to prove his insane theories about AIDS to his peers…he went public. Then, with the help of Margaret Heckler, former head of Health and Human Services, who was under great political pressure to come up with an answer to AIDS, the infamous world press announcement of the discovery of the so-called AIDS virus came about. This great fraud is now responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands… It was no accident that Gallo just happened to patent the test for HIV the day after the announcement…Gallo is now a multi-millionaire because of AIDS and his fraudulent AIDS test.”

Rep.G Gutknecht US House of Representatives…

New Labour “Health” have now announced that all pregnant women in the UK will be “offered” a HIV test. Those who fall for the scam and who are diagnosed as “HIV positive” will be given the chance to have themselves and their unborn child permanently damaged by AZT etc.

Dr Kary Mullis Nobel Laureate
“If you think a virus is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it….it hasn’t been done. The epidemiology of AIDS is a pile of anecdotal stories, selected to fit the virus/AIDS hypothesis…
Peter Duesberg Member, National Academy of Sciences.
“Nobody wants to look at the facts…I’ve sent countless letters to medical journals…they simply ignore them. The fact is, this whole heterosexual AIDS thing is a hoax.”

Prof Gordon Stewart Public Health University of Glasgow.
“The cause of AIDS is multiufactorial ; HIV is neither necessary nor sufficient.”

Dr Lawrence Bradford biologist.
“I am well convinced that HIV is harmless.”

Dr Fabio Franchi, specialist, infectious disease
“…AIDS is not a disease at all – it is a government program.”
Tom Bethel Hoover Institute researcher.
“Electron microscopy reveals retrovirus-like particles in 90% of enlarged lymph nodes from AIDS patients but the identical particles can be found in 90% of enlarged lymph nodes from patients who do not have AIDS and are not at risk from developing AIDS. If the particles seen…in AIDS patients are, as the AIDS experts assure, HIV, what are the particles seen in patients..who are not at risk…”
Dr Valendar Turner, Autralian…
“A major problem with the new AIDS definition is that it ignores the man-made environmental causes of immune suppression. Exposure to toxins, alcoholism, heavy drug use or heavy antibiotic use all can cause onset of the list of ‘diseases’ indicative of AIDS.”

New England Journal of Medicine 317:238-241.
“Positive tests do not prove AIDS or pre-AIDS disease status nor that these diseases will be acquired.”



Just a few “stupid internet sites”,lol…
http://www.nature.com/news/paper-denying-hiv-aids-link-secures-publication-1.9737
http://www.aras.ab.ca/news.html
http://www.healtoronto.com/10reasons.html
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids.htm
http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/category/hiv-does-not-cause-aids/
http://www.orgonelab.org/hiv_aids.htm
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/gnlie.htm
http://www.harmonikireland.com/hiv-hoax/


“books you can reference, if you do not like “stupid internet sites”…
AIDS, The HIV Myth, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1989.
"The Cure that Failed: Did the AIDS lobby know what it was doing when it pressed the government to approve AZT?" National Review, 10 May 1993, pp.33-35.
- Duesberg, Peter: "AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Non-Contagious Risk Factors", Pharmac. Ther.55:201-277, 1992. Also see: Duesberg, P.: Infectious AIDS: Have We Been Misled?, North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, 1996; and AIDS; Virus or Drug Induced?; Contemporary Issues in Genetics and Evolution, Vol. 5, Edited by Peter H. Duesberg (Partly reprinted from Genetica Vol. 95, No. 1-3, 1995) Kluwer Academics Press Dordrecht, The Netherlands,1996.
- Fumento, Michael: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy has been Distorted by Media and Partisan Politics, Basic Books, NY 1990.
- Fumento, M.: "Teenaids, the Latest HIV Fib", New Republic, 10 August 1992, pp.17-19.
- Rappoport, J.: AIDS, Inc.: Scandal of the Century, Human Energy Press, San Bruno, CA, 1988.
- Root-Bernstein, Robert: Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of Premature Consensus, Free Press, NY, 1993.
- Harman, Robert: "The Emotional Plague and the AIDS Hysteria," Journal of Orgonomy, 22(2):173-195, Nov. 1988.
A Sad ‘Day’ Is World AIDS Day a Sorry Sham?

The AIDS War : Propaganda, Profiteering, and Genocide from the Medical Industrial Complex
AIDS; The Failure of Contemporary Science
WHAT REALLY CAUSES AIDS?
AIDS: A Second Opinion
The FDA "partner" of the Pharmaceutical Industry
AIDS and the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic

Why in your delusional mind is the onus to disprove the link,” I mean real documented and cross confirmed studies) then you shouldn't be say this crap..”. when there is no “documented and/or cross confirmed study linking it in the first place,lol…
 billingsmason
Joined: 2/3/2012
Msg: 42
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Posted: 11/1/2012 6:35:00 PM
AIDS.org
HIV can be transmitted from an infected person to another through:

Blood (including menstrual blood)
Semen
Vaginal secretions
Breast milk

Blood contains the highest concentration of the virus, followed by semen, followed by vaginal fluids, followed by breast milk.

* Activities That Allow HIV Transmission

Unprotected sexual contact
Direct blood contact, including injection drug needles, blood transfusions, accidents in health care settings or certain blood products
Mother to baby (before or during birth, or through breast milk)

The following “bodily fluids” are NOT infectious:

Saliva
Tears
Sweat
Feces
Urine


To say that HIV is harmless really makes ZERO sense, and yes it's irresponsible-
The sites of yours that I did look at seem to be conspiracy theorists, bent on showing how someone is getting rich or stealing anothers idea or just plain denying that HIV/AIDS is a serious and life threatening deal....

Have you ever looked into a persons eyes who is seriously sick and dying? Do you honestly think those that have died because of a case of pneumonia or TB or an infection that would not normally have died, was faking?
 eattoplease55
Joined: 10/22/2012
Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/1/2012 7:10:20 PM
Only one thing to say to that...PERSONAL CHOICE.....and if they are honest thats a good thing.....anyone that doesnt tell should be held responsible BIG TIME!
 ShelbySask4friend1
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/4/2012 3:18:35 PM

To say that HIV is harmless really makes ZERO sense, and yes it's irresponsible-


I am not sure how you come to this conclusion, though we are free to believe in whatever we want...



The sites of yours that I did look at seem to be conspiracy theorists, bent on showing how someone is getting rich or stealing anothers idea or just plain denying that HIV/AIDS is a serious and life threatening deal....


Those site seem to be conspiracy theorists,lol, seriously, same with the reputable doctors, scientist and others , who voice their opinions and risk this kind of shit and de-creditation, basically to help others...

The point being the link between HIV and Aids has never been linked, we are not saying aids is not a serious syndrome...


Have you ever looked into a persons eyes who is seriously sick and dying?

More times than I care to recall...


Do you honestly think those that have died because of a case of pneumonia or TB or an infection that would not normally have died, was faking?


What??? I am not sure what you mean, the condition is faking, or the person is faking,lol, regardless, it really has no relevance to the topic...
 aixishenti1
Joined: 9/30/2012
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