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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Having a centrally controlled means of production, and distribution of goods and services is just really a bad idea that comes from the abuse of 'the power of the people'


Is it really? Then maybe you should do some research into the gov't systems of the scandinavian countries (who have refused to buy into the European 'union'), where there is a stable & healthy blend of socialism & capitalism (where big enterprise does not manipulate the political leadership) and whose 'fruits' are revealed in the various polls of national satisfaction surveys in which they repeatedly rank high in terms of: gov't performance; response to their needs {socially}; provision of services (quality of schools, education & affordability; availability of healthcare; jobs; and other resources that pple in the US would have to pay dearly for). They rank high in literacy & overall health; gen't state of happiness with their gov't & culture.

It is only when you move further down into central & south europe where you start to see generalized decadance; the kind not unseen in the USA; Once you have corporatism & blatant capitalism gain the upper hand in societal affairs do you see this malaise set in. In these societies you start to see a clear and sharp demarcation between the haves & have nots (though not as much as we have in the US), and the ensuing social pathologies that this inevitably brings or augments (high level corruption, deceit, subterfuge, etc) to wider breaths .

So unless you are referring to N. korea or the old soviet union & eastern europe (by the above captioned statement) you are otherwise ill informed about how a certain degree central control of gov't can actually be shown to have a positive impact on society as a whole . What you may not understand is how toxic unbridled capitalism is to the underclasses (who are just cogs in their vast money making machines--such as what we saw in the US in the early 1900's when women and children were grossly exploited and what still goes on in 3rd world nations by the corporate world).


you tell me to never respond to you and I respected that and then you can't help yourself.


I'm sorry for breaking my vow, but I could not help but to call out your unbelievably wayward & twisted understanding of centrally operated gov't systems.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:06:54 PM

I'm sorry for breaking my vow, but I could not help but to call out your unbelievably wayward & twisted understanding of centrally operated gov't systems


Well at least it isn't being denied anymore.

I'm not going to hold you to an arbitrary vow and will try to not attack you personally. I apologize if I did.

Maybe by 2014 the vote will actually be from the socialist democratic party rather then the fake liberal democrat party that claims to exist today.

At least then people have a chance to make a legitimate and informed decision.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 28
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:57:38 PM
If the choice is between The Socialists and The Tea Party in 2014,
the Socialists will win easily.
Just like last election.
:-P

It's not that this is a liberal country.
Just that Republicans are scary to the majority of Americans.
And seem to hate the majority of Americans as well.
They don't have to be way.
Kindof self defeating that they are.
Maybe you can help them fix that.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:55:37 AM
Yep, Stray cat's got it.

What I've been saying again and again, is that some decades ago, the GOP decided on a strategy of dividing America against itself, instead of trying positively to address the problems and concerns of the entire nation, from a conservative point of view. They have become so addicted to the benefits of self-blinding hatred (it leads people to vote for you or against your opponents, even when their own best interests are being sabotaged), that they cannot bring themselves to cooperate, even when their own best interests would be served by doing so. Hence the forever reduced international credit rating problem, which is making it more expensive for us to dig ourselves out of the financial mess we are in.

As long as the GOP remains dedicated to the idea that half or more of America is populated by defective people and enemies, they will continue to lose these sorts of elections.

Among the most ironic and illustrative episodes of the recent election, was the infamous "forty-seven percent" delusion that Romney talked about. Romney and the entire GOP, base how they go about life, on promoting the idea that people should base their actions on profitability. Self-interest. Nothing in the world wrong with that.

But when self interest causes some people to vote against them, suddenly the whole concept becomes foreign to them. Instead of working to make it true that self-interest would cause those people to vote FOR them, and thus continue to support their own claimed fundamental beliefs, they instead write those people off as being morally defective.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 12/15/2012 7:37:10 AM
Okay... so for the past decade the 'red threat' and all the portrayals of socialism invading America was a delusion and then today they would likely win an election.


Got it. So, what you are really saying is that "Glenn Beck was right?"
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 12/15/2012 8:41:50 AM
^^^ I'm not at all sure what you are saying there. "Portrayals of socialism invading America was a delusion"? I can't tell if you are imagining my support or opposition for whatever you are talking about there, as it's an incomplete sentence.

As for saying "Glen Beck was right," the very few times I've watched Glen Beck speaking, he was engaged in one of his apparently numerous acts of illogical, paranoid ramblings about entirely unrelated items. Hence I tend to doubt that I would agree with him on anything, but if you give a link to an exact quote of his that you have in mind, I will be happy to read it myself, and tell you what I think.

The last time there was a recognizably realistic "decade of the Red Threat," was about 1954 -1965. Recent times when Socialism has been used by some politicians as a magic talisman of evil, to try to scare Americans into voting against things that had nothing to do with Socialism, don't qualify as a Red Scare. Then again, I'm an Historian, so I might use definitions based upon my own training, while you are using another definition.

The Soviet Union fell during the last Century. China was already firmly on it's present pseudo-capitalist path, so they couldn't take over the role of "Red Scare" leadership. I think that the few allegedly Communist states remaining (North Korea, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam) can't mount a serious enough threat to get most Americans freaked out.

The current leadership of the GOP, still appears to want to build a majority by lashing together the following groups:

1) people who fear foreign workers (even though the party supports having more foreign workers, not fewer);

2) people who still think that a majority, or at least a huge minority of Black Americans live entirely off of Federal Welfare monies;

3) White racists (who they pretend to support by faking that they believe in States Rights);

4) The portion of wealthier people who are entirely self-centered (they hate the ones who see the bigger picture, and want balance);

5) Anti-abortionists (even though the party leadership itself is not anti-abortion);

6) people who fear to even hear the word "socialism" (and who don't actually know what it means);

7) people who actually believe the real Republican ideals (unfortunately, too small a group to win any elections).

There might be a subgroup or two I missed there, but essentially they looked at the groups that the Democrats discarded (for example, the Democrats were once the party of Racism, until the 1960's), and they wrote up a bunch of boiler plate crap to make those groups THINK that the GOP cares about them, and will work for their goals.

It sounds like logical politicking, except that they didn't bother to work out that half of the groups they are trying to court, hate the other groups they are trying to court, and only a few of them want the sort of America that the GOP envisions.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:47:22 AM

Russia and China may be exporting something, but it ain't communism. The sooner Glenn Beck understand that the less moronic he will sound to those that still listen to him. Correct that. His listeners won't understand the difference.


I actually agree that it isn't being exported from Russia and China (anymore). It has become an Americanized version through the earlier influences. Sneaky... take over education, change cultural influences from family to government and popular culture, watch social cohesion deteriorate then blame traditional american values as the cause and the only cure is to continue with the deterioration and expect different results while blaming traditional culture with an ever increasing message of division and hatred over the traditions and founding.

The outcome is what mattered. The removal of the the ideals of America from the world view. Winning the war through subversion.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 12/15/2012 10:07:12 AM

Sneaky... take over education, change cultural influences from family to government and popular culture, watch social cohesion deteriorate then blame traditional american values as the cause and the only cure is to continue with the deterioration and expect different results while blaming traditional culture with an ever increasing message of division and hatred over the traditions and founding...

Ironically, you just described exactly what religion has been attempting to do for some time.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/15/2012 11:49:07 AM

Ironically, you just described exactly what religion has been attempting to do for some time.


From a theocratic overthrow of the government to enforce Christianity by the rule of law... you are on crack. From a cultural point of view you are correct with the exception of putting focus on family, community, self responsibility as being the primary focus. So, pretty much the only opposition to the power of the tyrannical socialist state being promoted by the American Progressives.

BTW... I am not endorsing religion as any form of rule. People suck and use any means necessary to judge and rule over others.

United States not United Socialist States.

Huge difference.


Whatever, the only thing obvious is that it has taken decades of lies and deception to get to this point. Well done.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:03:28 PM

United States not United Socialist States.

Huge difference.


Whatever, the only thing obvious is that it has taken decades of lies and deception to get to this point. Well done.

"prepping" for the "end times"... It's not a job, it's a career...
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 12/16/2012 5:34:30 PM
I wish they would.^^^^

Actually, from what I've seen, the American working class is as fractured and self-destructive as all the other groups out there. The republicans under Reagan's leadership especially, managed to convince a huge chunk of them, to hate their fellow workers and fear unions, as preventing rather than helping working Americans to have a reasonable lifestyle. This was helped by the corruption of some of the largest Unions, not by communists, but by organized crime.

Anyway, right now, a large section of working America has been fooled into voting against their own best interests, out of fear or hatred of other Americans.

If you vote someone into office to protect you from having to see homosexuals enjoy their lives, in exchange for that same leader also restructuring the government to help businesses to lower wages, reduce benefits, and even to outsource their jobs to overseas people, then you certainly are self-destructive.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:34:36 AM
Golf clap Igor...I think since the time of the "Family Values" platform many have voted against their own self-economic interests...while the GOP may have removed family values from their platform they sure keep harping on those issues that have nothing to do with the economy.
 beautifulwoman4u
Joined: 11/14/2013
Msg: 38
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Posted: 1/2/2014 4:32:49 AM
Yes indeed! It was inevitable that the incumbent would be re-elected, however, his popularity is lower than any other president has been in his second term. Too many promises have been broken.
 enigom
Joined: 11/20/2013
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Posted: 1/2/2014 8:31:02 AM

Anyway, right now, a large section of working America has been fooled into voting against their own best interests, out of fear or hatred of other Americans.
Exactly! thanks for explaining how Obama got elected twice...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2014 10:28:09 AM

If you vote someone into office to protect you from having to see homosexuals enjoy their lives, in exchange for that same leader also restructuring the government to help businesses to lower wages, reduce benefits, and even to outsource their jobs to overseas people, then you certainly are self-destructive.


And to stop all of this the majority voted:


Exactly! thanks for explaining how Obama got elected twice...
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 9/13/2014 9:04:49 PM
Might as well keep this current. Personally I wonder why it took people so long to figure it out, but some are a bit slow on the uptake.

"Wash. Post/ABC News Poll: Most Say Obama's Presidency a Failure
Most Americans believe President Barack Obama's term in office has been a failure, with 51 percent disapproving of the job he is doing, according to a new Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Just over half of all adults surveyed — 51 percent — think Obama is doing a bad job, while 42 percent approve. But the number is even higher when the poll focused on registered voters. Fifty-four percent of them disapproved of Obama's performance, and 42 percent disapproved.

Fifty-two percent said Obama's presidency is a failure.

Between 54 and 56 percent disapprove of the way Obama is handling the economy, international affairs and the implementation of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare.) Fifty-nine percent don't like how he is handling immigration.

Vote Now: Do You Approve Or Disapprove of President Obama's Job Performance?

Despite their disapproval, most (54 percent) say their feelings for or against Obama will not affect their votes in the November midterm elections. Nineteen percent said their vote will express support for Obama, while 27 percent said it will express opposition to him.

Republicans already hold a majority of House seats and hope to gain control of the Senate in November.

The poll shows 45 percent of Americans believe the GOP will succeed in wresting control of the Senate from Democrats, while 40 percent think they will fail in the effort.

Thirty-two percent believe a GOP-led Senate would be a good thing, while 25 percent think it would be a bad thing. Forty percent think it won't make any difference.

Americans were split over which party they trusted most to handle the problems facing the country. Thirty-nine percent trust Democrats more, while 40 percent trust Republicans.

Fifty-five percent think Obama has done more to divide the country than to unite it, with 38 percent calling him a uniter. But that beats Republicans in Congress. Sixty-three percent think they have done more to divide than unite.

The poll did not release numbers on whether Democrats in Congress had done more to divide or unite.

Like a CNN/ORC poll released Monday, the new poll showed that just over half feel Obama has been too cautious in most international issues, including dealing with the Islamic State (ISIS).

They were more evenly divided on dealing with the Russia/Ukraine issue, with 43 percent saying he has been too cautious, and the same number saying his response of sanctions against Russia has been about right.

The survey was conducted between Sept. 4 and 7, and spoke to 1,001 adults on landlines and cell phones. The margin for error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/poll-failed-presidency/2014/09/09/id/593594/
 trinity818
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:31:14 AM
I have to say that I certainly don't consider his presidency a failure. I'm very happy that we didn't have a Republican in office these past couple of years. Because they would have almost certainly put (kept) "boots on the ground" in the Middle East or possibly the Ukraine. President Obama has tried a more "international" approach which I wholeheartedly agree with. We are not the world's police.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:51:53 PM
"We are not the world's police."
Sure about that? Think it's a coincidence that there hasn't been a world war since the 1940's?
We have kept large numbers of armed forces stationed all around the world since the end of WWII, even without the middle east. Do you remember where Elvis Presley served in the Army?
Here's a listing pulled randomly, and keep in mind this does not include personnel aboard ships: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 9/14/2014 7:21:50 PM

I have to say that I certainly don't consider his presidency a failure. I'm very happy that we didn't have a Republican in office these past couple of years. Because they would have almost certainly put (kept) "boots on the ground" in the Middle East or possibly the Ukraine. President Obama has tried a more "international" approach which I wholeheartedly agree with.


Well said, trinity, well said!!!
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Most Americans.......


Most Americans? I'd really love to see the demographics of their sampling

So lets see WHy he such a failure:

1. Is it because the stock market indices more than doubled since he's been in office? (and I recouped my retirement losses), after it plummeted harshly when Gwb & Darth Vader was in office

2. Is it because he is bringing the Afghan & iraq conflicts to a close (Yeah, you know, america's longest wars started on credit

3. Is it because the economy has started to make a (slow) rebound after it was it was brought at the doorstep of depression by the previous administration

4. Is it because he has not recklessly engaged us in any armed conflicts highlighted by false pretexts, and bold faced lies

5. Is it because he doggedly succeeded in establishing a healthcare(and thereby extending coverage to pple who would have been summarily denied due to "pre-existing conditions") overhaul that the GOP fought tooth & nail against; and tried as hard as they could to sabotage (in many ways successfully)as much as possible because the GOP was successfully bought off by the insurance industry

6. Is it because he hasn't tried to tackle the issue of immigration(while Boner officially stated that immigration reform was "off the table"), because the GOP fears that accomplishing anything meaningful would make Obama look "favorable" in the polls.

7. Is it because he hasn't given the top 1% even more tax breaks (as Romney would have done) thereby depleting the US treasury out of more income, and plummeting our bond rating even more


Vote Now: Do You Approve Or Disapprove of President Obama's Job Performance?


With all its flaws, it is damn well better than ANY of the GOP clowns would have done had any of them won the Presidency


Republicans already hold a majority of House seats and hope to gain control of the Senate in November.


Sure, bring it on!

So far the GOp has tried to:
shut down the gov't (at the tax payer's expense), and FAILED
repeal the ACA via the SCOTUS, and FAILED
find was to impeach him and FAILED
try to sue him and FAILING

.....all at the expense of their duty to the voters


The poll shows 45 percent of Americans believe the GOP will succeed in wresting control of the Senate from Democrats, while 40 percent think they will fail in the effort.


And then the public will begin to know what real FAILURE looks like, just like they did when GWB took office in Y2K, after the Clinton years


Fifty-five percent think Obama has done more to divide the country than to unite it, with 38 percent calling him a uniter.


The GOP has done more to divide and undermine the principles of this country than any of our enemies have since the post war era.


They were more evenly divided on dealing with the Russia/Ukraine issue, with 43 percent saying he has been too cautious, and the same number saying his response of sanctions against Russia has been about right.


What say the chicken hawks?; Bomb, Bomb, Bomb now!!!! Lets start WW3
Imagine if we'd bombed Assad into oblivion when he used gas weaponry?
Right now ISIS would be in charge of Syria!
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 9/16/2014 3:23:03 AM

Sure, bring it on!

So far the GOp has tried to:
shut down the gov't (at the tax payer's expense), and FAILED
repeal the ACA via the SCOTUS, and FAILED
find was to impeach him and FAILED
try to sue him and FAILING

.....all at the expense of their duty to the voters


Even the GOP's corporate person hood sponsors didn't like the government shutdown...it was bad for business. Not that that stopped the mega funding. The GOP stands for government that can fit in a bathtub, no medicare, no medicaid, no social security, no food stamps, no welfare...the GOP thinks that all of these programs should be funded privately??? And paying for those wars the GOP started on the credit card should be paid by the middle class alone.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 46
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:32:01 AM
Speaking of alienating a voting block:


Senate Republicans on Monday blocked for the fourth time a bill that would strengthen federal equal pay laws for women.

The Paycheck Fairness Act would ban employers from retaliating against employees who share salary information with each other, impose harsher penalties for pay discrimination and require employers to be able to show that wage gaps between men and women are based on factors other than gender.

The bill needed 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster and advance to a final vote on passage, but it fell short Monday by a vote of 52 to 40. Senate Democrats have brought the bill to the floor four times since 2011, and each time Republicans have rejected it.

"The wage gap not only hurts our families, it hurts the economy," Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said before the vote. "If it were reversed, I'd be standing here fighting for the men. It's not right."

Republicans say they oppose the bill because they believe it would discourage employers from hiring women, out of a fear of lawsuits. The GOP has accused Democrats of staging a "show vote" on the bill in an election year, knowing it won't pass.

"At a time when the Obama economy is already hurting women so much, this legislation would double down on job loss, all while lining the pockets of trial lawyers," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said before the last vote on the bill in April. "In other words, it's just another Democratic idea that threatens to hurt the very people that it claims to help."

Women working full-time in the U.S. earn an average of 77 cents for every dollar men earn, according to the Census Bureau. A small portion of that gap, economists say, is due to employers paying women less than men for the same work.

Republicans are trying to engage women voters ahead of the November midterm elections, but their opposition to the Paycheck Fairness Act and other equal pay measures has repeatedly been used against them in campaigns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/15/paycheck-fairness-act_n_5825644.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:51:58 PM

Women working full-time in the U.S. earn an average of 77 cents for every dollar men earn, according to the Census Bureau. A small portion of that gap, economists say, is due to employers paying women less than men for the same work.


It comes as no surprise to me that the GOP miscreants would stand firm to uphold what might be the last bastion of legalized discrimination; but of course the spin they put on it is that they don't wanna see women being terminated en-masse because the employer would have to pay them as much as the men folk. Outta the "goodness of their hearts" they hadda vote against the Fairness act so as the prevent the big-bad bosses from firing them poor liddle wiminz who they so highly regard!

The only thing the GOp views as "fair" is anything that results in pouring or keeping m0re money the piggy-bank of their wealthy benefactors!
 HondoGal
Joined: 5/30/2014
Msg: 48
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Posted: 10/6/2014 3:06:48 PM
It is really sad that he was re-elected.


Women working full-time in the U.S. earn an average of 77 cents for every dollar men earn, according to the Census Bureau. A small portion of that gap, economists say, is due to employers paying women less than men for the same work.


One cannot rationally put much credence into the Huffinton Post. The blog was founded by Arianna Huffington, She was a liberal democrat then a stanch republican and now a leftist.


Huffington rose to national prominence during the unsuccessful Senate bid in 1994 by her then husband, Republican Michael Huffington. She became known as a reliable supporter of conservative causes such as Newt Gingrich's "Republican Revolution" and Bob Dole's 1996 candidacy for president. She teamed up with liberal comedian Al Franken as the conservative half of "Strange Bedfellows"[14] during Comedy Central's coverage of the 1996 U.S. presidential election. For her work, she and the writing team of Politically Incorrect were nominated for a 1997 Emmy for Outstanding Writing for a Variety or Music Program.[15] She has also made a few forays into acting with roles on shows such as Roseanne, The L Word, How I Met Your Mother, Help Me Help You, and the film EdTV.[16]
As late as 1998, Huffington still aligned herself with the right. During that year she did a weekly radio show in Los Angeles called "Left, Right & Center", that "match[ed] her, the right-winger, against a self-described centrist policy wonk, Matt Miller, and a veteran leftist journalist, Robert Scheer."[9] In an April 1998 profile in The New Yorker, Margaret Talbot wrote that "Most recently, she has cast herself as a kind of Republican Spice Girl - an endearingly ditzy right-wing gal-about-town who is a guilty pleasure for people who know better."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Huffington

She is 64 years old yet has swayed to whatever political side best favors her agenda at the moment. As recently as 2000 she campaigned for and favored Republican President Bush. Her former husband, Michael Huffington, now admittedly bi-sexual, has always been a Republican.

Show me any position where the starting wage is less for a woman than a man. The legal aid societies and the ACLU rabid dogs would be on that in an instant.

The actual truth is that women are hired and paid the same salaries as men for jobs that these women cannot adequately perform; I.e. police officers, firemen and construction workers immediately come to mind. Women in these positions have done a great disservice to our society and to the American taxpayer.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 49
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:37:55 PM
When I start my new business I will hire only women.
WHY? Isn't it obvious?
I will save almost 25% in labor costs, because everybody knows that women get a lot less pay for the same work done. I hope this stays a secret, because I don't want anybody else to learn about my advantage in the marketplace.
Thanks, Huffington !!
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 11/4/2014 10:45:05 PM
It's about time to file that impeachment on Mr. Obama, methinks.
He would look good standing next to former President Clinton, also impeached.
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