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 TraveliciousGuy
Joined: 9/17/2011
Msg: 26
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I wonder why most of the media, and that includes television and newspapers, tends to be biased towards liberal and progressive viewpoints.


Because the "media" are foremost examples of "free speech", which is a "liberal" concept.

According the the website balancedpolitics.org," the original definition of a 'liberal' was someone who advocated change, new philosophies, and new ideas. A 'conservative' was someone who avoided change, instead preferring to stick to the tried and true". (or maintaining the status quo).

If one wants to avoid change, and maintain the status quo, one doesn't need to talk about it, one just keeps on doing it.
If, however, one wants to make changes and discuss new ideas, one DOES need to talk about it. Hence "free speech", in order to get the changes talked about. Which is why in virtually all dictatorships (not open to change), "free speech" and the media are curbed.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:20:59 PM
Thanks for making my point rather quickly

Liberal defines itself as the correct way to think. Anything else is in opposition. No matter how left a liberals position it is defined with liberal as center.

It just isn't true. Liberal has that definition but progressivism is leftist. Liberalism and progressivism are indistinguishable any more. The definition of progressivism is political reform. That doesn't define its origins.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 28
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:26:25 PM
Question:
Obama won, right ... ? So why is the Left (a/k/a 'Progressives') so damned angry about everything all the time ... ? These are the most joyless people you'll ever meet. As they're quick to tell everyone, they won, but they're still pissed off at everyone and everything because things still aren't 'good enough' or 'progressive enough' or 'controlled enough' or 'environmentally-correct enough' or ... you get the point. Oh. You doubt my premise ... ? A quick browse of the threads here is all that's needed ... they're everywhere.
 moonwalkerman
Joined: 2/19/2008
Msg: 29
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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:34:57 AM
Thanks everybody for your responses ! Somebody said that the media are just doing whatever it takes to make money. That is something I can live with. People want to hear and read what they want to hear and read. If the media caters to that need, so be it.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 30
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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:38:36 AM

The following are 22 signs that voter fraud is wildly out of control and the election was a sham:

It is also a sign of a desperate group of people who may or may not have an infinity for poultry fornication.
 CallmeKen
Joined: 9/4/2009
Msg: 31
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:09:30 AM
There are three ways to lie: lies, damned lies and statistics.


most of the 'welfare' recipients in the country are in the Red (i.e., Republican) states.


New Mexico: Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs

... not one of which is unemployment insurance.

If you lump in farm subsidies as welfare, then yes, the Red states get more welfare. Why? More farms. It's all in how you count the beans.


The truth tends to have a liberal bias.

Then why do leftists use so little of it?
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 32
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:52:15 AM
Aich, so much prejudiced garbage masquerading as thought and honest observation.

This political crap is SO much like the dating crap. Angry people push themselves at others, and make them angry or annoyed...then they point at the fact that the other person is angry or annoyed, and claim that this is proof that they were RIGHT to be pushy and rude to them.

The right wingers here are sure that the left is angry because they are defective, and not because the right spends all their time declaring that folks who disagree with them are defective, and should be thrown down wells.

Again, just like the leftist extremists I grew up with.

"I'm only a rude and insensitive jerk, because those other folks are, and I will continue to be a thoughtless selfish idiot, until THOSE guys change and agree I'm actually a wonderful and worthwhile person."

Sheesh.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:54:41 AM
I knew there was something about your position that was more reasonable then most people.


Again, just like the leftist extremists I grew up with.


You know what a leftist is. So you don't idealize them. That doesn't automatically turn you into a religious right wing wacko either. That understanding of what leftist is is missing from today's youth culture and they are idealized. This is supported by popular media. The objections to it are extreme and come out as Glenn Beck is which is only a characterization of what it means to oppose it.

How do you judge which bias a report contains? What do you do with the knowledge that it is biased one way or the other? Balance out the sides and choose for yourself? Disregard what is reported? Take the position that everyone lies and there is no right/wrong answer?

For me, I am basically seeing that everyone lies and presents the side that makes them feel most comfortable. If I hear a story that I liked the bias then I have to distrust the validity and try to find how the other side presents it. Usually find that both sides manipulate the truth just short of 'actual lying' to present the story along the line of their intended audience. When a story occurs that can't be ignored because of it's impact direct association to bias is ignored and the story is taken as self sustaining without a wider impact on beliefs.

Part of the confusion all around doesn't actually come from the news. It is the entertainment value from the opinion pieces that so pervasively surround and make up most of the content of news sources. That's where they get their audience and base their bias from.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:16:09 AM
Political correctness destroyed news reporting...
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:42:41 AM
Example

AP new release
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49838213#.UKUYKIe9Z8E

Booze calories nearly equal soda's for US adults


Conclusion of story?

Should New York officials now start cracking down on tall-boy beers and monster margaritas?
...
It could set up a confusing scenario in which, say, a raspberry iced tea may have a calorie count listed, while an alcohol-laden Long Island Iced Tea — with more than four times as many calories — doesn't. "It could give people the wrong idea," she said.


Liberal bias:
Labeling beer and wine "Booze"
Defining Booze as the candy of adults that don't know what they are doing
Associating a law to restrict sugar in large drinks as a necessity against people that don't know what they are doing
Concluding that maybe the government law should be expanded to cover this new threat against the 'average person'

The story expands beyond a reporting of facts and moves into derivation of conclusion from those facts. From that perspective we are really not able to trust any of the informational sources used in the story because the entire story itself was created to form a conclusion that the author wanted to make.


Here is another one for today... Pick out the bias
http://www.officer.com/news/10829991/use-of-drones-by-police-departments-strikes-a-nerve
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
Msg: 36
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:19:29 AM
The media isn't liberal or conservative in western cultures as much as the 'stories' lead themselves to a left leaning. It's the nature of 'news' and journalism. The sqeaky wheel gets the oil.

It's easier to point out a problem than enact a more rational or logical solution. Who isn't in favour of motherhood, peace for all mankind, etc. Many of us have lived somewhere, had a job, knew of a social condition, etc. in which a reporter has come into the scene and reported on an incident with no persepective of 'the bigger picture'.

In 2012 it probably doesn't matter that much. There are so many sources of information that we tend gravitate towards a media that reflects more out philosophy. Network news was once clones of itself regardless of the outlet...today there's information 24/7 from around the world.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:34:21 AM
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<div class="quote">Because the "media" are foremost examples of "free speech", which is a "liberal" concept.

I suspect most of the leaders of the conventional news outlets are like other so-called liberals--the freedom of speech they care about is their own. They're more interested in peddling leftist opinions they disguise as news. The meaning of the word "liberal" has changed. Liberals, in the classic sense, believed very strongly in freedom of speech, just as the men who founded this country believed in it and just as constitutional conservatives believe in it today. The idea is that however much you may disagree with a person's views, you defend his right to express them. But the so-called liberals of today are anything but liberal, and they dislike freedom of speech.

That's why they embrace political correctness, which is a doctrine originally designed by communists precisely to suppress speech they disagreed with. That's why they despise the Citizens United decision (or at least whatever bowdlerized version of it the Daily Kos or Media Matters has dumbed down for them.)--it say a person doesn't lose his freedom of speech just by joining an association. That's why they want to censor conservative radio programs under the laughable ruse of "fairness." These "liberals" are ardent, doctrinaire, and intolerant--modern-day Brownshirts.

Although they like to fancy themselves as cosmopolitans, aping Europeans and scoffing at America, most of these people are more hick than hip. And they're intellectually lazy. They don't know enough and can't reason well enough to win most debates, so they put their hopes in the low punch and the thumb in the eye. They try to howl their opponents down with name-calling, mockery, obscenity, personal insults, and when even that doesn't work, they lie. They are as dishonest as they are dim. You can see some of these specimens show just what weak sisters they are in post after post, right on these threads.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:05:09 AM

Thanks everybody for your responses ! Somebody said that the media are just doing whatever it takes to make money. That is something I can live with. People want to hear and read what they want to hear and read. If the media caters to that need, so be it.


That's some of it. There are exceptions such as most of BBC, CBC, the Economist etc.

CNN is a case study for what you conclude. Headline News has became the scandal or criminal case of the month channel. The main CNN is a mixture of good reporting and tabloid journalism...with tabloid trumping the good news to salvage dropping ratings. Reporters interviewing other reporters, panels of pundits,etc. News events get time on air not for their importance but for ratings.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 39
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:35:36 AM
That's why they embrace political correctness


And proud of it...hating is soooo neo-con...hate gays...hate women's rights...hate non-Christians...hate minorities...all neo-con values.

While many democrats dislike shout-down media (aka FOX)...and do like National news coverage...many do like PBS News Hour...finding that the presentation of both sides (and actually letting both sides state their case without interuption) is like a breath of fresh air....yeppers...we democrats don't like FOX, Hannity, Rush et al....but, then we don't listen to them...of course their POV is fodder for ridicule here in the threads...
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 40
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:58:14 AM


" ... .hating is soooo neo-con.. ... "


Why, looky here ... an admission of guilt for the behavior of the Leftist / 'Progressive' / Socialist class ... how refreshing. Oh. You say that's not what you meant ... ? Surely you jest. Consider just a few salient facts:

It never pays to be naive when it comes to the Left. Troll visits to right-wing blogs are up, dropping comments that show all the class of second graders in the schoolyard. Exhibit 1: The quote above. The nasty little 'campaign' run by Obama in 2012 didn't have the effect of tempering pettiness and snarkiness on the Left. Again, see Exhibit 1. Their feeling of 'triumph' goes hand in hand with a desire to spit on others in an o'erweening delight at their sense of victory. They know it’s not necessary to be “successful” in the usual meaning of that little word for the Left to win. See "By any means necessary".

Neo-Conservatives are generally former Democrats, usually of Jewish descent, and are semi-pundits in their own mind. They are mostly former Leftists / Liberals / 'Progressives'. Their major concern is foreign policy. "Neo-conservatism", as a term, is almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no "neo-conservative" movement in the United States - despite the shrill shout-and-spit attempts of the Left to convince us otherwise because the ones they try to brand as 'neo-con' are just those displaying their Leftist origins. See, y' can take the boy out of the Left, but y' can't take the Left out of the boy.

'Neo-con' is a negative term used in mud-slinging by name-calling trolls. If the shoe fits ... just sayin' ...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 41
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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:23:22 AM
'Neo-con' is a negative term used in mud-slinging by name-calling trolls. If the shoe fits


That's right...I raise your leftist comments, that started with your first post in this thread...along with all the commie/socialist craype you spew, with the term fascist neo-con.

And yes you are one of the biggest haters here...I've read your hate spewing posts about gays, minorities, women's rights, and non-christians...and I am apalled and disgusted by your comments.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 42
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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:31:23 AM
"Neo-conservatives are generally former Democrats, usually of Jewish descent, and are semi-pundits in their own mind."

Gee, not sure I agree with that. Perhaps at one time, but not lately. For the most part, they are more about spending and using defense. They kinda like war...at one time certainly those of jewish descent were and are about the saefty of Israel. Though taking that further, didn't they just vote for Obama by 69%? Since that group seems to have thrown their support towards Obama, that wouldn't make them "former Leftists /Liberals / 'Progressives'" now would it?

I think you may want to rethink who exactly the word represents.

"is almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq"

That's more like it. Now the only troubling part of that description is the "enemies" part. Most people I feel, weren't so comfortable being lied to by that administration about a fake reason for war. That you can't see that, says something more about you, than us.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:10:36 PM
That's more like it. Now the only troubling part of that description is the "enemies" part. Most people I feel, weren't so comfortable being lied to by that administration about a fake reason for war. That you can't see that, says something more about you, than us


What if you found out that you feel it was a fake reason for war and that you were lied to because that is the only story presented in most media?

What could possibly occur to give you an alternative point of view?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:12:16 PM
From the urban dictionary:

neocon

1. Small group of politicians coming from as early as the Ford administration up to the Bush II administration.
2. Have a fake pretense about believing in smaller government. In reality believe in big spending and tax cuts for their wealthy political and business friends, hence deficit spending.
3. They fake being social conservatives, although true social conservatives believe they really care about social issues. Neocons distract the public by acting like they really care about social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and flag burning. Meanwhile they are busy conducting wars and stifling your freedom.
4. Believe in costly wars and creating boogeymen to try and make you think only they can keep you safe while they restrict your freedoms to "protect you". This is their signature issue, to help keep them in power.
5. Actually despise any types of small government advocates, Barry Goldwater, traditional live and let live conservative, and libertarians.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 45
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:52:33 PM
"What could possibly occur to give you an alternative point of view?"

See, you could be right, the media could have slanted the story. Except for first Bush's state of the union speech in january 2003...followed by his "ultimatum speech" on march 17th where he mentioned the weapons...

Kinda hard to take back hearing the president and his top aides making the case based on WMD's...it's not like the media put different words than what came out of their mouths..

Now did the media, make the situation worse, possibly...they might have played the story up more than neccessary.

Then again, let me ask you something...this action killed hundreds of thousands, killed and maimed 60,000 US service men...

While I abhor the death of the 4 US citizens who died in Benghazi...which event is worse? If you believe the deaths of so many in Iraq was worse...then isn't Fox news hammering away at Benghazi...worse than the press beating Bush took for not finding any WMDs?????????? Or is that completely different?

I need to hear how one side gets excused while the other side gets convicted....
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:54:48 PM

And yes you are one of the biggest haters here


Funny--I would say just the same about most leftists. They have the same narrow-minded, authoritarian streak as the brownshirts had, with the anti-democratic urge to use national government to coerce everyone into doing things their way. They are self-righteous prigs who won't tolerate anyone who dares not to tolerate the same things they do. But being devious, they have learned to hide their dogmatic, control-freak nature behind a phony facade of being caring and considerate.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:55:16 PM

What could possibly occur to give you an alternative point of view?

Back up to 2003 during the nearly unanimous march to invade Iraq, and you could ask this same question of the media. The answer would be: very little.

After the dust settled a bit, journalists realized the disservice they had done. Reality has an anti-Iraq invasion bias, it would seem to most of us. Currently, it isn't even talked about on the national stage anyway.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 48
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:58:53 PM

" ... And yes you are one of the biggest haters here...I've read your hate spewing posts about gays, minorities, women's rights, and non-christians...and I am apalled and disgusted by your comments. ... "


It's almost too easy. You keep affirming my points for me, and all I have to do is sit back and watch the foam spew.

You wouldn't mind pointing out exactly which posts of mine you claim (without basis in fact, I might add) to have seen, would you? I'm sure you would, but humor me. You can't, precisely because I haven't posted anything remotely similar to what you assert. As for that 'disgusted' thing, well ... life's tough all over, y' know.

Oh ... the 'Urban Dictionary' ... ? Seriously ... ? It is to laugh. I guess you haven't heard of the OED or, at the very least, Merriam-Webster ... ? Pity. A REAL dictionary doesn't base its definition of words in emotionalism and snark, but since it doesn't, you probably can't read or understand it.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 49
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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:02:37 PM

You wouldn't mind pointing out exactly which posts of mine you claim (without basis in fact, I might add) to have seen, would you?


Well now...you already know these posts were deleted preceeding your visit to ban camp...
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 50
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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:16:36 PM
"They are self-righteous prigs who won't tolerate anyone who dares not to tolerate the same things they do"

No no, matchster...you weren't talking about rush, hannity or oreilly...oh wait...I'm sorry, you were trying to do one of your rants...I got confused because that sentence is the perfect image of these other guys!!!

Hahahahahaha!!!!!
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