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 _TALL_IQ2_
Joined: 2/10/2010
Msg: 4
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You spend a lot of time talking about what you hate...

If you may recall, that is what teenagers seem to spend most of their time doing...


And of course; one can't very well hate what one doesn't understand completely.

"Nothing to kill or die for,
And no religion too,
Imagine all the people living life in peace.." John Lennon

That about sizes up what the OP post seemingly may not yet fully comprehend... Lack of experience RL maybe.
Especially in this coming season of what was to be "peace" when much more fighting is breaking out in the Middle East..
I'm guessing about 100-200 people are going to die this weekend near Gaza and some dozen in Israel, adding to the near 30,000 dead in Syria over the last year.

"It's a Wonderful Life" if all one has to do is complain about not understanding song lyrics.
 gcdeb
Joined: 4/25/2011
Msg: 6
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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:00:55 PM
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines

So we sailed on to the sun
Till we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

And our friends are all aboard
Many more of them live next door
And the band begins to play

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

{Full speed ahead Mr. Boatswain, full speed ahead
Full speed ahead it is, Sgt.
Cut the cable, drop the cable
Aye, aye, Sir, aye, aye
Captain, captain}

As we live a life of ease
Every one of us has all we need
(One of us, has all we need)
Sky of blue and sea of green
(Sky of blue, sea of green)
In our yellow submarine
(In our yellow, submarine, aha)

We all live in a yellow submarine
A yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
A yellow submarine, yellow submarine

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

***********************
You can't see the depth in those lyrics?

Many many many great artists have crap lyrics. Often it's about the delivery and the music. Sometimes people simply lack the skills to correctly interpret lyrics. "Drove my chevy to the levy but the levee was dry" is NOT about driving a car to a storm wall for example.

I'm sad. I completely missed that period in my life when I was supposed to think I knew everything about everything. Or is that just a boy thing?

I'm teasing OP. It's great to see a young person who can analyse and interpret the written word and has the skills to back up their arguments.

Less use of the word 'hate' might add more weight to your arguments though. It makes you sound more emotive and biased instead of making an intellectual comment.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 8
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:02:13 PM
Do you ever actually have anything GOOD to say about music? Or is it that all you do is complain about it?
 Trevork52
Joined: 1/2/2007
Msg: 10
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:07:10 PM
Phil Collins and good lyrics?? That's a real oxymoron. That man has nothing but fresh air and pound signs in his head!

(substitute dollar signs if you are from over there!)
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
Msg: 11
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:37:29 PM
Wow, all I can say is I'm disapointed, after all your blathering about creativity, you come up with Phil collins, Morissey and Springsteen? Thats all you got? At the end of the day nobody is right or wrong about music, we like what we like, so your opinion is what it is.....and its cool if you hate the beatles, but there is no way you can understand the magnitude of something that happened 47 years ago.
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
Msg: 13
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Posted: 11/16/2012 4:23:28 PM
Basically your premise is erroneous, in that you think profound lyrics can be found within the rock and pop realm , you give musicians too much credit.....bang a gong? Born in the usa? right.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 15
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Posted: 11/16/2012 11:20:07 PM
How ironic you would tote on Phil Collins while hate on the Beatles.
According to Wiki;
Phil was an extra in the Beatles' A Hard Day's Night
AND .....
In 1970, the 19-year old Collins played percussion on the George Harrison song "The Art of Dying". Harrison credited him in the liner notes to the remastered CD version of the album released in 2000.

A crazy guess but I'd gather they might have oh so slightly influenced Phil. hm?
 Aardente
Joined: 11/2/2012
Msg: 17
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:42:38 AM
What do you think lyrics should represent?

Currently listening to country music - the words seem to rhyme, are simple and talk about day to day life - they have a charm of their oen, they seem sort of quaint.

This seems such a subjective thing.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 18
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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:15:01 PM

I'm still hoping Debbie Gibsn will get revitalized.



Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
 THEKidWicked
Joined: 8/9/2010
Msg: 19
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:49:10 PM
neil young
kurt cobain
jim morrison
bono

drug addicts aren't really all that profound.

bono's just a pompous ass.

k.w.
damage done
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
Msg: 21
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Posted: 11/17/2012 4:47:40 PM
There's a girl
thats been on
my mind all the
time -
sussudio
oho.
Now she don't even
know my name

But I think she
likes me just the
same - sussudio
oho.
Ah
if she called me
I'd be there
I'd come running anywhere.
She's all I need
all my life

I feel so good if
Ijust say the word
- sussudio

Just say the word - oh
sussudio.

Now I know that
I'm too young

my love has just
begun - sussudio
oho.
Give me a chance
give me a sign

I'll show her anytime
- su-sussudio
oho.
Ah
I've got to have her
have her now

I've got to get
closer but I don't
know how.
She makes me
nervous and makes
me scared

But I feel so good
if I just say the
word - sussudio

Just say the word - oh
su-sussudio
oho.

Ah she's all I need
all of my life

I fee'l so good if
I just say the
word - sussudio

I say the word - oh
su-sussudio

I say the word - oh
sussudio

I'll say the word - oh
su-sussudio
oho.
Just say the word
just
just say the word

Just say the word
- su-sussudio
sussudio
sussudio

Sutsudio
sussudio
sussudio.
I say the word - sussudio
I say the word -
oh
just say the word.



I rest my case
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:27:00 PM
Lets talk about lucy in the sky.........you said something about artists differentiating themselves within their genre....nobody did that more than the Beatles. I don't know what year it was, maybe 66, but many acts were copying the beatles songwriting, everything was simple pop radio hits. Then the boys started dropping acid and writing concept albums.....nobody had done that before, it was radically different from the pop landscape at the time. They also introduced sitar into pop music and George Martin added his true orchestral genius. Of course now it sounds ridiculous because its out of context to that period.
I'm not a core beatle fan, I just grew up with it. Another example is "yesterday" no artist in that day could write a song that mature lyrically, and its not simple on guitar either...Lennon and McCartney were miles beyond songwriters of the day, even more amazing because they started out as a cover band.

and btw phil collins ripped off scriti politi for su sudio.
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:47:02 PM
more history for you......the monkees were a direct response in america to cash in on the beatle phenomenon if you hadn't noticed. They had professional staff songwriters Boyce and Hart writing their stuff, fake band.
I will cut you some slack here though, because after mcCartney heard pet sounds, he set out to do sgt peppers, then the stones copied it with her magesties request i think. Pet sounds was brilliant but the record company refused to release it for years......


if you've never listened to a full beatles album, check out revolver....with headphones!
Tomorrow never knows was the first last and best psychadelic tune ever.....
 Green_Jello44
Joined: 6/19/2011
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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:08:10 PM
"Sure, but listen to his virtuoso orchestration, a distinct trait of his; it's layered, with an ensemble of instruments that come together"

One more thing for your education, I'm sure phil has nothing to do with that, its his producers layering the sound, thats how the biz works. You really shouldn't even use the word orchestration, until you've studied the works of nelson riddle or henry mancini, talk about true genius.....before keyboards emulated strings and horn sections, check that out....
 LennyPane
Joined: 2/2/2011
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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:23:16 AM
You guys are really gonna trash on The Beatles?
Oh hell no...
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:07:19 AM
Lennon was a very simple yet profound writer.

Elton never writes his own lyrics, Bernie does.

Dylan- a pro, Neil Young (another simple yet profound writer...sometimes lol, ), Leonard Cohen, so many good writers.
.
I wouldn't slam John though. and btw it was Paul that wrote Yesterday and Yellow submarine.
 good guitar player
Joined: 6/24/2008
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:37:30 PM
Wow all this slagging the Beatles, I agree some of the stuff was maudlin english music hall crap, and they'd have said so about a lot of paul work...lol. Seriouly I saw Neil Peart mentioned, there a basements full of stoned Nerds who'd put this guy next to shakespere in relating the human condition. When he spews rather bad ayn rand scifi based lyrics, that mean somthing dude.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 35
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:32:46 AM
What exactly is "vocal diversity"?
 THEKidWicked
Joined: 8/9/2010
Msg: 37
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:43:42 PM
i like axl's songwriting. gun's didn't sell all those albums because they were a tight band.

The hardest part
This troubled heart
Has ever yet been through now
Was heal the scars
That got their start
Inside someone like you now

For had I known
Or I'd been shown
Back when how long it'd take me
To break the charms
That brought me harm
And all but would erase me

I never won
Or thought I could
No matter what you'd pay me
Replay the part
You stole my heart
I should have known you're crazy

If all I knew
Was that with you
I'd want someone to save me
It'd be enough
But just my luck
I fell in love and maybe

All that I wanted was

Now I know you better
You know I know better
Now I know you better

So bittersweet
This tragedy
Won't ask for absolution
This melody
Inside of me
Still searches for solution

A twist of faith
A change of heart
Cures my infatuation
A broken heart
Provides the spark
For my determination

No one ever told me when
I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better
No one ever told me when
I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

All that I wanted was

Now I know you better
You know I know better
Now I know you better

I never wanted you to be so full of anger
I never wanted you to be somebody else
I never wanted you to be someone afraid to know themselves
I only wanted you to see things for yourself

All that I wanted was

Now I know you better
Now we all know better
All that I wanted was

If I were you
I'd manage to
Avoid the invitation
Of promised love
That can't keep up
With your adoration

Just use your head
And in the end
You'll find your inspiration
To choose your steps
And won't regret
This kind of aggravation

No one ever told me when
I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better

No one ever told me when
I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, better
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 38
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Posted: 1/2/2013 10:24:10 PM

I'm not sure what he meant. He could mean stylistically or technically, but I think of someone as vocally diverse as one who can cover many genres without it coming across as contrived. One example I can cite right off the bat is George Michael. He's never been known as a "rock" singer per se, but he stole the show at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert back in 1992, in my opinion. He knocked "Somebody to Love" out of the park.


That's what I thought he meant too. Another singer that comes to mind is Robbie Williams. I've always liked the tone of his voice, but never really paid attention to him. Then I saw him sing some jazz standards (live) on Letterman ages ago and was blown away.

But then BigEyed described what he meant, and it doesn't make any sense. "Diversity" wasn't the best choice of words.

p.s. Joe Pesci put out a fantastic jazz record, under the pseudonym Joe Doggs. Pretty much just him and his childhood friend, the great Joey DeFrancesco. Worth a listen.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 39
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:20:30 PM
there are many great singers without range who make up for it with phrasing, dynamics, or a sultry tone in general.

^^

I highly agree here and believe its why to some they may dislike how a singer sounds yet to others, they love them.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 40
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Posted: 1/3/2013 6:44:52 PM
Neil Young has been writing songs since he was a kid, and kept them all in notebooks. He must have thousands of songs filed away, most have never been heard.
Has anyone here bought any of his "archive series" dvd's?
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 41
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:45:45 PM
Joe Pesci? The actor? It's legit, and not like Pat Boone doing the metal album?


Yep, the Goodfellas/HomeAlone/LethalWeapon actor. Totally legit, and REALLY good. He retired from acting a while ago and has been doing a number of musical projects since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hr6A4Tr2Vs

Joey DeFrancesco really steals the album as usual, but Pesci pulls his weight.
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