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 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 251
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First we have pork city attached to the bill that passed. Now who benefitted? Well Alaska got some dough for salmon, Nascar got some bucks, Hollywood or the film industry garnered a few. BUT did they take up the Sandy victims money? Oh hell no!

That they put off, going to take it in 2 chunks, 9 Billion soon, then 51 billion "maybe" on the 15th of january...BUT they are looking for cuts to offset the expenditure!

Gee, when it was the red states clamouring for MORE money, beyond what they normally get since they all get much more money spent on them, than the revenue they contribute year after year, when they had hurricane disasters? Almost EVERY year there was a disaster...there they were, hat in hand asking for help....

But one of the few times a hurricane does substantial damage in the northeast, traditionally an area that gives more than it gets...they need to cut spending!

Freakin parasites....


I hear Christie is switching parties
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 252
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:51:22 PM
He should.
All the other moderate Republicans have already been kicked out
and are Democrats now.

Only the hardcore purists are welcome in the incredibly shrinking GOP tent.
Gun nuts, Jesus nuts, or nutty billionaires.
Everyone else is an evil socialist.

:-P
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:16:10 PM

Only the hardcore purists are welcome in the incredibly shrinking GOP tent.
Gun nuts, Jesus nuts, or nutty billionaires.
Everyone else is an evil socialist.


Obama's america is almost complete.

I said a few times in this thread that there is no reason why the cliff issue and even the Sandy issue should have the entire goverment decisions based on one/two people.

There is something totally not right with Obama's term. I'm sorry, maybe people think Obamas a great wonderful person but something is wrong that the entire Goverment is shut out of a voice but these two. Where is the representation in this representative goverment?

This is a problem in leadership. And yes, socialists are evil.

Question on Sandy though... is the money for infrastructure and assisting people through rebuild or is it for rebuilding peoples property? Technically anyone without homeowners insurance /business insurance should not really be too compensated. There could be an issue with the inability of insurance companies to keep funding disasters but that would be a different issue.

City / State infrastructure but not rebuilding peoples houses with insurance. Also, why doesn't the state have preparations for this? Is there a 'Save me Fed' program that states sign up for? Something is missing from the discussion. Shouldn't a state with an ocean boarder have disaster planning that includes funding? What am I missing? Was it insufficient? Is it broke? Did to many taxes go to federal government rather then shoring up the protection of the state itself? I have questions.

In all the discussions about this today I haven't heard details.

So, I have two issues with this. One person should never have the power to block like this and what is the money specifically needed for.

But I guess I would be the azzhat that asks a question. How bad that is now. Don't ask questions. Your a *** if you do.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 254
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:28:14 PM
Well personally I think Obama is a closet Republican.
(a moderate Republican)
Nixon was a more radical Liberal than Obama ever dreamed of being.

Nixon took us off the gold standard.
Gave us the EPA.
And tried to do universal health-care.
Had he done so....
it would have been more comprehensive
and better than Obama's plan.
(which is really Romney's plan.)


As for your question....things bigger than the states....
are always dealt with by the Federal govt.
If the original 13 colonies could have functioned individually...
the constitution and the Federal govt would never have been needed.
Or invented.

But the states...individually....couldn't cope.
Collectively....they did.
and do.

I think civics should be taught again in schools.
The finer concepts seem to be alien to folks nowadays.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:38:05 PM
As for your question....things bigger than the states....
are always dealt with by the Federal govt.
If the original 13 colonies could have functioned individually...
the constitution and the Federal govt would never have been needed.
Or invented.

But the states...individually....couldn't cope.
Collectively....they did.
and do.

I think civics should be taught again in schools.
The finer concepts seem to be alien to folks nowadays.


Right... like the part where you are guessing about what the state can and can not handle and the whole point of taxes and infrastructure and individual requirements to insure property against loss which also include the governments responsibility to have a plan in place and risk assessments and insurance or plans to mediate those risks.

You are right... civics needs to be taught. Obviously even the basics are lost on 'folks'.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 256
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:52:03 PM
If we were to have yet another war......
should we have 50 individual armies?
or one?

Some things individual states cannot do.
Which is why they are part of a bigger whole.

A boulder that cannot be moved by one....
can be moved by many.

If we wish to dismantle the federal govt
and go back to being just a collection of individual states...
we would be a just a bunch of poor states.
and not a world power.
or much of an economic power either.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2013 10:05:40 PM

If we were to have yet another war......
should we have 50 individual armies?
or one?


Off topic and completely irrelevant to fiscal cliff or even wtf Boehner and Obama are the only two negotiating on behalf of the entire country or why Boehner can single handlely block New York from being voted on...

Oh, too much power for one person again. Why does that always come back as a problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives

The speakership reached its apogee during the term of Republican Joseph Gurney Cannon (1903–1911). Cannon exercised extraordinary control over the legislative process; he determined the agenda of the House, appointed the members of all committees, chose committee chairmen, headed the Rules Committee, and determined which committee heard each bill. He vigorously used his powers to ensure that the proposals of the Republican Party were passed by the House. In 1910, however, Democrats and several dissatisfied Republicans joined together to strip the speaker of many of his powers, including the ability to name committee members and chairmanship of the Rules Committee.[9] Fifteen years later, Speaker Nicholas Longworth restored much—but not all—of the lost influence of the position.


So, that explains how he can block the Hurricane relief just by choosing to not make it part of the agenda. That doesn't explain the solo negotiating.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:42:54 AM
There are two main reasons why you have gotten the idea that only two people are in control of all this, Aries.

One is a matter of perception only, brought on by the media folks who do the reporting, making it SEEM as though only those two people CAN do anything.

The other more important one, is that just as the United States was created as a representatively governed nation, Congress and the various political groups decided to establish more representative positions WITHIN the power groups.

In other words, Boehner has as much power as he does, because the GOP decided that he does. I don't understand why you think this somehow shows again that Obama is doing something nefarious. He negotiates with who ever the GOP designates as their representative leadership. It sounds as though you want to blame Obama, for the choices made by the GOP, which isn't logical, to say the least.

In turn, what Boehner faces AS the official GOP leader in the House, is the problem that the people he tries to represent, put him there based on the expectation that he will both lead in the direction they wanted him to, AND that he will assist them in achieving their own individual goals. He is being attacked from within the GOP, because he has not managed to please enough of them. All representatives have to go through this.

As to why New Jersey and new York had not prepared decades in advance for the possibility that a hurricane would devastate them, that's a bit of a silly thing to be so mystified about as well. Are you currently setting a large part of your personal resources aside, in case a large container ship crashes into your house? No?? Well, no doubt that it because there has been no pattern of wild container ships lurking in your area. In the same way, quite aside from the long denial from the right that our climate IS changing and becoming more dangerous to states that have not had much trouble in the past, New York and New Jersey had no reason UNTIL now, to do the sort of expensive prep you are pretending they should have.

Your idea that people who Do have insurance to help, are the only ones that the government should ALSO help, is mystifying to me as well. Perhaps you said it wrong. I tend to think that if someone IS getting insurance recovery money, that that would REDUCE the need for the rest of us to step in. Only the extra insane rich people (note this is a subset of rich people, not all of them) seem to think that they should get public money IN ADDITION to private funds, and that people with no protection should be punished for being poor, by being ignored.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:04:10 AM
Igor,

I found that Boheners position does have that additional power associated with it. I think we are seeing it because of the division that has been created in the government and people between right and left. I wonder what other times in history the division was like this and what broke it. As far as Obama being nefarious. Well, I think he's doing this on purpose and having fun splitting the country. As for evil intent. That should be enough.

I questioned what the Money was to be used for. You relating my personal finances to what a State prepares for is ridiculous. A city and a state collect taxes from citizens and they all have disaster preparedness plans. It is obvious this would be a big hit and not something they would have fully expected.

As for those insured... I never said they should be getting federal money. I said they should be getting insurance money although with the scope it is possible some insurance companies could have issues dealing with it.

Now, are you asserting that those without insurance should get federal money to rebuild their house? I don't think that is necessarily true. IF they get their house rebuilt then why would anyone waste their hard earned money buying proper insurance and being prepared if the government is just going to give them the money? I live in CA. I can't afford a house here despite my income because I would still have to pay for all that extra insurance and being in CA I would need earthquake insurance as well as flood and fire. So, you think I should go ahead and buy that house and ignore the earthquake insurance and expect the federal government to rebuild my home or fix structural damage?

I should steal other peoples money to buy what I can't afford because it's fair? No wonder nothing is getting accomplished in the country.

Why have insurance of any form at all. Just let the federal government pay for it. F* it. raise everyone's taxes to 100% so everything is free. Obviously the mentality of half the current in power and adult generation today. It's like magic. All you have to do is click your heels together and the big Government will come and make it all better. They will do it at half the cost with half the quality but just enough to claim they did something. That's fair.

Why do some people get classified as 'poor' and get fully taken care of but others that work their entire lives and have just a small bit of something get totally f*d by you guys in the name of fairness.

The whole idea of 'because they are poor' just needs to stop. It's getting disgusting.

Maybe its time to cut back all private resources for the poor. No more charities, no programs, no more endowments from private sources. Just turn it all off. The governments got it under control. The rich need to go on strike. No more investments in the country. Find somewhere else to invest. Any 'extra' programs funded... just shut them down. Pick up the toys and go home. Do a work stopage by the rich. They can afford it.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 260
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:12:42 AM

Maybe its time to cut back all private resources for the poor. No more charities, no programs, no more endowments from private sources. Just turn it all off. The governments got it under control. The rich need to go on strike. No more investments in the country. Find somewhere else to invest. Any 'extra' programs funded... just shut them down. Pick up the toys and go home. Do a work stopage by the rich. They can afford it.

Maybe its time you understood that the money the poor get is just a drop in the bucket as compared to what the rich get.

This whole idea of the rich taking their ball and going home is funny, because guess what, the rest of the country paid for that ball, because they didn't build it.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:50:54 AM
This whole idea of the rich taking their ball and going home is funny, because guess what, the rest of the country paid for that ball, because they didn't build it.


New Law:
In our modern society homelessness is no longer tolerable. It is not acceptable for a country as generous of ours to tolerate any form of homelessness while it is in our power to stop it.

All homeowners that are currently or have in the past received government housing or food benefits are required to open their homes as temporary housing for the homeless for one week a month or three months in a year. There can be no discrimination based on sex, race, religion, nor economic or health status.

Any and all homeowners that have received public benefits have their homes because of the public generosity and that home is now theirs because of public benefit and that benefit must now be made available to those that are even less privileged. As a society we believe that impoverishment is fueled by inequality of resources and that the indignity of economic impoverishment is made even greater by the lack of a sound roof. AS a society we can no longer stand for this indignity and must do everything in our power to eliminate it one hundred percent. If you received the public support and enjoy this benefit then you must open your homes and help us eliminate this public problem.

Their is no greater gift a society can provide its citizens then the dignity of food and a roof over their heads and those that received this gift are obligated to return in kind. In fact, any who have received any form of benefit and have a home and food didn't earn it on their own. The public gave it to them. They owe their lives to the public. It isn't their home anymore. It belongs to society.

If a person owns a home and has never received any form of public housing benefit nor food assistance then that property is private and not subject to this rule. They earned it.

Why not just fix the homeless problem? It is fixable. Here is the answer. Are you going to deny the homeless a roof over their head? After all, it isnt' private property anymore. It ceased to be private property once public money was used in its security. Isn't that what you are claiming in you assertion that 'they didn't build it, the public did'.

 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 262
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:56:15 AM

Well, I think he's doing this on purpose and having fun splitting the country. As for evil intent. That should be enough.

So you believe that Obama's TRUE intent in all of this, in being President, is simply to stir up as much sh!t as possible and then sit back and laugh his a$$ off over all the sh!t he caused...? Isn't that about the gist of what I quoted...? That's just insane... plain, simply, insane...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:58:13 AM
So you believe that Obama's TRUE intent in all of this, in being President, is simply to stir up as much sh!t as possible and then sit back and laugh his a$$ off over all the sh!t he caused...? Isn't that about the gist of what I quoted...? That's just insane... plain, simply, insane...


No, that is the most I can possibly assume since I am not psychic as you apparently are. So, please tell me what is on his mind.

The magical thinking of some people is astounding. You really think you can read his mind? hahaha thats pretty funny.

If you ask me my basis I would say it was the big smile on his face as he boarded airforce one to return to hawaii after cutting the vacation halfway through. Thats what... two round trip flights on an awesome 747 with full accompaniment.

One hell of a gig.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 264
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:04:46 AM

All homeowners that are currently or have in the past received government housing or food benefits are required to open their homes as temporary housing for the homeless for one week a month or three months in a year. There can be no discrimination based on sex, race, religion, nor economic or health status.

Yet no mention of the some 20 billion dollars oil companies took home in tax breaks or the billions that other corporations where able to write off to avoid paying taxes.

So, if anyone needs me I will be living on Paul Allen's yacht "Octopus" seeing as he used a government program to deduct the interest on the boat.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 265
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:29:04 AM
If you ask me my basis I would say it was the big smile on his face as he boarded airforce one to return to hawaii after cutting the vacation halfway through.

So... because he was smiling when he returned from Christmas vacation, THAT leads you to believe that he's:

"doing this on purpose and having fun splitting the country."

And then comes the temerity to accuse others of claiming to be mind-readers or engaging in "magical thinking"...?!?

This all isn't happening because the teabaggers are "stonewalling" just to be petulant little pr!cks because they can... It's happening because Obama is really just trying to "punk" the nation...

No wonder the nation is in political gridlock if that is the level of thought and analysis being applied by the "right" side of the aisle...

Note: Mungojoe no longer supports "de-institutionalization".
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 266
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:40:55 AM
Couple of things here....I agree Obama is hardly the "liberal" the right would have you believe he is...they just need a boogie man to hold out there, to their members, to keep them from fleeing, and painting him a socialist and other things has been the order of the day, since his inaugaration...

Sorry, when you win as many votes in the electoral college, win the popular vote by a 3 million margin, then less than 60 days later, capitulate on one of your core issues...hardly shows any socialist tendencies...

Now as for Boner, he may not be the evil villain all thinking he is...his job has been complicated by having to herd cats, or trying to corral the tea party republicants, who think their job is not to do the peoples work, but to obstruct anything that doesn't fit with their mantra...

There has been some discussions of lack of details in sandy relief...why is that? Because the 435 members of the house, are too busy trying to get soundbites on their local affiliates(TV), rather than do something else(aside from the cliff). I'm sure any relief bill, will attract riders like mohair attracts almost anything!

Finally, now I don't know about most of you(maybe different with mortgage brokers), but when I bought my first few houses, the bank REQUIRED insurance..in point of fact, early on, the premium for the insurance was put into my payments to the bank...I never had a outside lender, used the same bank I have always used the last 30 years..

Beyond that, please don't forget LA had to have all those roads rebuilt with relief money after the earthquake...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 267
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Posted: 1/3/2013 10:15:44 AM
Finally, now I don't know about most of you(maybe different with mortgage brokers), but when I bought my first few houses, the bank REQUIRED insurance..in point of fact, early on, the premium for the insurance was put into my payments to the bank...I never had a outside lender, used the same bank I have always used the last 30 years..


Right you are...The only way to buy a house without insurance is to buy it outright...or have a private (dad, mom and her mneatloaf) lender lend you the doe...

And if on happens to exist in a flood zone or an area prone to earthquake damage...then you will need either or flood and earthquake insurance..no option...the lender will require it to protect their interests....of course flood insurance only insures upto $250k of value..I don't know what earthquake insurance limits are...

Oh yea...after Katrina congress ok'd the doe in 6 days...Sandy is 67 days and counting...
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 1/3/2013 10:16:54 AM
One more thing...what is the difference between the relief for Sandy victims, and those who suffered Katrina or Irene?

Like I've posed, year after year after year...we have rubber stamped the relief bills for Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, NC, SC and Texas...without needing a nickel by nickel accounting! All the good little republicants stood up and supported the bills, but NOW when it's blue states that need the aid...oh no, we need to see where every nickel goes...

This is no different than the debt ceiling...dozens of times it was raised without question..so Ronnie could threaten the russians...or shrub could start his 2 wars...but now we need to watch every penny...TILL the next republican wants to spend like a fool...

So please stop pretending it's Obama who is dividing the country...when the republicants pull crap like this...

edit to add: "Pick up their toys and go home"

Well they better get a quick start, it would involve a good bit of traveling to get those toys! Since they outsourced 4 million of those jobs to China, India and Korea...as well as a bunch of smaller 3rd world countries...you don't see the mega rich opening new businesses, they merely buy existing ones, and shut down the jobs here and export them to other countries....
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:31:12 PM

One more thing...what is the difference between the relief for Sandy victims, and those who suffered Katrina or Irene?

No one is claiming racism. That is the difference. Welcome to government support. Goverment union support at its finest.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:44:48 PM
"No one is claiming racism. That is the difference."

No this has nothing to do with racism..it has purely to do with politics. It's a matter of "we are happy to take more money this year, than other years, since we take $1.25 for every dollar we pay in revenues...it's just this year we got hit with another hurricane, so we republicans down here say ...send it on down please"

"Welcome to government support"

No...it's a matter of republican hostage taking..."sorry you don't deserve the money, you voted for Obama!"

"Government union support at its finest"

Maybe the union of confederate states...or the union of takers versus makers! That should be a familiar term, since republicans made it up...now when the makers who pay in more, can't get the relief they need, because the takers(red states) don't care, this year it's not their problem...which is the usual case.

Unfortunately, my democratic brethren, will show themselves to be suckers again, when the south is hit again in the next couple of years...and they send the money...or "do the right thing" something the republicants don't understand...

edit to add: the thing about this is, the republicants, are supposed to be pro-business...how many businesses will miss out on reopening for the coming summer season, because it will take "90 DAYS" till relief is passed. Maybe more, if they decide to debate the second larger traunch of relief...

This has ZERO to do with what's right, and more to do with punishing a section of the country, that isn't religiously wacko, or gun crazy or anti-abortion...
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 1/3/2013 6:58:32 PM
Actually, Aries, we probably agree about the roles of insurance and who is responsible for what. I do not at all claim that the rest of us via the Fed should make it as though those who had no or insufficient insurance should be as well off as those who paid their premiums.

The role of Federal support in these sorts of situations is ninety degrees away from where diatribes such as have been tossed around here, usually claim it is. And the reasons why it SHOULD have it's role, and perform it thoroughly, is that the world is best FOR ALL OF US, if we see to the GENERAL WELFARE (I think that phrase shows up in some of our important founding documents). Leaving some of our fellow peoples to die in the streets, so to speak, will drag the entire nation down.

And so the mild ego boost the few get from knowing that no "undeserving" people managed to get two nickels they ought not to have done, is VERY expensive to all of the rest of us.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/3/2013 10:16:52 PM
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Oh how sadly funny this all becomes.

New York is rich. What was that... F* the rich sentiment we heard for the past 4 years. hahaha You get what you asked for.

I heard it again today. It's a new year and whaaaaaaat fiscal cliff averted yet everyones taxes have gone up .... whaaaaaat I thought it was only for those making 400k or more? Oh, shock and surprise. Your taxes all went up just as expected and planned and even told about. Just didn't listen because those rich guys are keeping you down.

You vote and vote for the promises of more more more but it's never for you. It's in the name of the poor and guess what my little internet friends... Your not the poor. You have computers, homes, apartments. hahahaha You are the target. It isn't the rich. Never has been. They can only be made the demons and monsters for your little hatreds to attach to.

It's about your money. Keeping you in place. Thats it. You are the minions of obedient servents. The workers paradise. From your labor for your needs.

No one gives a crap about New York but you guys. The politicans don't. Never have. The only reason they jumped so fast on the other states was the charge of racisim if they didn't move fast enough. You don't have that leverage here. A few months later... sure... consider it.

Understand it. "YOU BUILT IT" You voted for it.

I really was laughing at the complaints about the rise in taxes on the regular guys that said "FU" to the rich and made damn sure they voted for Obama to screw those rich guys that keep everything from them. It's going to get worse and the entire time... just know... YOU BUILT IT.

The next two years are going to be painful. It's going to get worse. The more regular people complain about how hard it is the more I'm going to just quietly know that they asked for it. Plenty of people did their best to warn about the truth of what was occurring.

It really is true. You guys really can't tell when people are lying can you? You think that you can logically work out if someone is lying or not. You can't. It's in their words, their tone, their manners, their actions, and in their philopshopy. It's not hidden. A large amount of people have little problem understanding a lie when its heard. A large amount of people only voted the way they did because they fell for it and believed the demonization of the opposition to the lie.


You built it. Now sit down and be happy. You got what you asked for. There is no one coming to help. There is only those coming to take. It's going to get worse.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/01/03/after-tax-hike-obama-still-thinks-rich-need-to-pay-more-n1478184

It apparently wasn't enough to raise taxes on 77 percent of Americans with the fiscal cliff deal signed into law by auto-pen late last night by President Obama. In a video put out by the White House, President Obama dishonestly explained what the fiscal cliff means and then proceeded to say some Americans still need to "pay their fair share." Obama said there is more he wants to do to reduce our debt in a "balanced way," because after all, the $41 in tax hikes per $1 in spending cuts apparently wasn't enough irresponsibility for him. He gloated over the American tax system becoming more progressive after making tax hikes on the rich permanent.

"I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesn't put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class burdens but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”



http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/20/news/economy/income-states-poverty/index.html
New Jersey median income is over 67k
Missippi is just under 37k.

The haves and the have nots and who should be supported. Hahahaha and then you act all surprised and angry and blame those republicans for withholding the purse when that same purse opened up within days for the poor.

This is what you asked for.

80% of both Mississippi and New Jersey are above poverty. New Jersey has a significantly higher upper level income.

You want fairness but you want it through equality. You can't have it. It's a myth. Fairness at the individual level and equality in law is all that matters. You can't equalize society. It's a pipe dream. America use to know that.

Don't worry though... the purse strings will be opened. The money will come out and it will be a republican problem for it not happening fast enough. Has nothing to do with the President really not giving a shit. Bush had his seat in the fire being called a racist. He had to put the fire out as fast as possible. That leverage doesn't exist now does it. Just normal middle class people this time. No particular race. No particular income level. 80% over poverty and along beach front properties.


Liberal do gooders just can't seem to comprehend a stupid simple fact of life. You don't like republicans. Sure, I get that. However, every ounce of power you give to Democrats you also give to Republicans. Can't wait for health care. I don't want republicans or democrats to have this much power. Most of us that oppose this crap don't want Government to have this much power. Not because we are mean money hoarders but because we are not. We just understand that they are lying. The only way to protect against it is to just not give that much power to a central government. The power is in the individuals and achievement of individuals. Not in equality delivered by an overlord government. Your just asking for a benevolent dictator.
Use your false sense of rational scientific minds and determine the probability of getting a benevolent dictator.

You think Obama is upset with this? It's his dream... or his fathers... not sure which.

At this point the lunatics have over run the asylum so nothing left to do but watch the show and hope to God it doesn't all go so far downhill that people start dying. You built this.

It was built with Greed. Middle class greed. The greed of taking from others to give to others in the name of equality and fairness. This is the result. The greed of good people.

Round two will be spending cuts. Want to bet spending cuts gets kicked further down the road because time isn't right and too many people rely on this money. We need more revenue to keep up. The top 2% not paying their fair share will turn to the top 20% real quick. Just wait. Obama's America.
 ChowFun
Joined: 11/19/2012
Msg: 273
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 1/3/2013 11:30:43 PM
^^^Bravo.


You built this.

Touche.


The next two years are going to be painful. It's going to get worse.

I hope so. That's inspiring and shall fit well into my marketing plans.
Thanks Dems.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 274
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 1/3/2013 11:48:21 PM
I heard it again today. It's a new year and whaaaaaaat fiscal cliff averted yet everyones taxes have gone up .... whaaaaaat I thought it was only for those making 400k or more?

Well you thought wrong... Paying attention to the news would help...

Oh, shock and surprise. Your taxes all went up just as expected and planned

You shouldn't be so surprised, it WAS expected and planned... Anyone who paid attention to the news knew that the SS extension was off the table... Obama himself took it off the table weeks ago, I thought you would have known this a long time ago...

You vote and vote for the promises of more more more but it's never for you.

You say this like you are revealing some "secret betrayal", that Dems and liberals are supposed to feel offended by... Except, everyone already knew this was "negotiable"... It's called "compromise"...

"YOU BUILT IT" You voted for it.

Actually... It's "WE built it WE voted for it"... It can be a difficult concept...

The next two years are going to be painful.

Well, DUH...! Did you expect that addressing a deficit and debt the size the US has right now would be simple, easy and painless...?!? There are lots of cuts and yet more tax increases to come over the next few years and it's not going to be "lollipop land"... WE (liberals) already knew that, apparently some on the right didn't...

In a video put out by the White House, President Obama dishonestly explained what the fiscal cliff means and then proceeded to say some Americans still need to "pay their fair share." Obama said there is more he wants to do to reduce our debt in a "balanced way,"...

"I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesn't put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class burdens but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”

And he is exactly right... Tax increases are an essential part of any sane debbt reduction plan... WE (liberals) already know that, it's too bad the teabaggers can't figure it out...
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 275
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Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 1/3/2013 11:58:15 PM

Well you thought wrong... Paying attention to the news would help...

Hahahaha Fabrication and twisting of meaning. Totally unexpected. You know damn well that I wasn't talking about my surprise. It was the surprise of those that thought they voted for the opposite by voting for Obama.

And the rest is based on your attempt to mislead as usual.


Actually... It's "WE built it WE voted for it"... It can be a difficult concept...

Oh look, a lie. You are not from in this country and about half of this country DIDN'T.


And he is exactly right...

I doubt you have ever understood what "right" actually means.
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