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 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...Page 14 of 16    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)

If the numbers on the page were true would you agree or not that social spending is the more detrimental and that defense has been cut?


Doesn't the cost of medicare and social security get paid thru SSI and medicare taxes already? These are programs bought and paid for by US citizens who have a right to expect that the benefits paid for will be theirs when the time comes.


Still paid by FICA tax
Social Security is part of the FICA tax that is taken out of most people's pay. Employees pay 6.2%, and employers pay 6.2%, with a total tax 12.4%. Federal and state workers covered under their own pension plans don't have to pay the tax. If you're self-employed, you have to pay the whole tax of 12.4%. There is also an additional 1.45% that you pay that goes to pay for Medicare. Your employer pays the same. Total tax is 15.3%.



I'm guessing that you're asking this question because so far this year Social Security is running a deficit because so many people are out of work. Fear not, Social Security benefits will be paid out of the massive trust fund that Social Security has built up over the last 60+ years. Oh, by the way, the government has spent that money long ago, so the US government will have to cover any shortfall. So don't worry. You'll still get your check for the time being!
http://askville.amazon.com/social-security-paid-today/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=66550191


And while were at it:



WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — While many Americans believe illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, billions of dollars deducted from paychecks issued to undocumented workers flow to the Social Security Administration (SSA) every year. Those workers almost certainly will never see that money again.

Social Security officials keep a record of wages that do not match up with real names and numbers in their system. The record is called the earnings suspense file.

In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:55:04 AM
Peace Bob
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:03:51 AM

Peace Bob


Let me take this moment to inform all of our fellow poster of the passing of Oy Vay, or Bob as his friends know him.

Bob, has battled with leukemia for the past few years, but this past summer his disease took a turn for the much worse.

Let us set aside our differences of opinion for a moment to offer a prayer, sympathy for his family, or just reflect on how tenuous this life is.

Bless you Bob.
 ChowFun
Joined: 11/19/2012
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:38:29 AM
Sorry to hear that and thanks for the announcement.
R.I.P. Bob.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:01:43 AM
Thanks Irish for the info. He was one of my favorite posters: full of information and a basic kindness and tolerance. Great soul! Will be much missed.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:07:04 AM
Rest in peace Bob.

A little Beethoven for you Bob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 1/18/2013 3:44:18 PM
RIP Oy Vay / Bob
 WomanInSF
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Posted: 1/18/2013 6:25:51 PM

Let us set aside our differences of opinion for a moment to offer a prayer, sympathy for his family, or just reflect on how tenuous this life is.

I am very sorry to hear that Bob (Oy Vay) passed away. I got used to reading his posts. My opinions were very often opposite to his, but I think that he was a kind man. My sympathy goes to his family.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:13:30 PM
Very sad news about a well respected forumite. RIP Bob.
 CynthiaSM
Joined: 2/24/2012
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Posted: 1/19/2013 9:25:52 PM
So long, Bob. See you on the other side.
 sweetest
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:46:36 AM
Irish, thanks for this sad news. Conversed a bit with Oy this passed year as we fought the 'great debate'. Loved his style and sum ups. Had been missing his posts of late---a great POF forumite and a real character, whose particular 'salty take' I'll miss reading with on here.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:41:35 PM
Obviously, you haven't read the thread without remembering to first remove your prejudice shades, because though there are pro GOP and anti GOP people here, and there might be a pro Democrat person here, it really isn't at all about "how the democrats has the answers to solve America's problems," nor about how "the republicans caused this mess" per se.

I am myself convinced, that this particular mess, has been brought to us by a combined effort of both parties, though I would say that the most recent crises have been sponsored more by the GOP. They decided to take us into an unnecessary war, and to fund that war entirely on credit, they decided to oppose all regulation of financial institutions (with collusion from the Democrats), and they single-handedly caused our international credit rating to be downgraded, by playing politics with it. Until recently, they insisted that despite there being ZERO factual support for the idea that low taxes on the rich does anything at all to help the economy for anyone else, and so they prevented any help to be had from increased revenues.

If you are convinced that the GOP had nothing to do with the mess, then I'm sure you are already predisposed to refuse to see any proof anyone offered (i.e. you haven't read any news in the last thirty years that wasn't written by pro GOP people), so it's a silly waste of effort to go back through it all now.

But if you'd like to be calm, rational, and discuss the factual situation, including the egregious errors made by both parties, you are certainly welcome to join in.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:29:43 PM

They decided to take us into an unnecessary war, and to fund that war entirely on credit, they decided to oppose all regulation of financial institutions (with collusion from the Democrats),


Remember that stance. It should become very important to you in the near future.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/19/obama-algeria-_n_2512624.html

"This attack is another reminder of the threat posed by al Qaeda and other violent extremist groups in North Africa," Obama said.


http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/symposium-shattered-dreams-of-al-qaeda/


I would advise against an outright statement that these documents represent al-Qaeda's concession of defeat. Defeat is terminal, the end. That is not the case here. What they do reveal from the very lips of al-Qaeda leaders in Iraq is that they are having their lunch handed to them and in the process of being defeated.


It was hugely effective in strategy to bring the war to a place rather then the randomness of spurious attacks by small groups. It caused them to organize themselves as much as possible under a command and focus on this area where they could be defeated.

I say to remember it because of how much the resurgence of al_Qaeda is occurring and the even stronger influence and even bolder actions that are occurring because of the successful demonization of the war in Iraq and Bush. Yes, they successfully demonized the right, bush, and the war on terror but pick it right back up and are about to jump in again.

The coming war will also be on 'credit'.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/01/18/algeria-attack-shows-the-arab-spring-morphing-into-the-war-on-terror/

If hostages are the first priority, let’s hope that the second priority of the White House is to give Algeria the support it needs to drive out the Islamist and prevent future attacks. Don’t just leave that job up to France.


I'm sure it will be all okay though with today's crop of so called liberal democrats. Just don't call it an axis of evil and you will be fine right. And the fun part will be going after Iran for WMD's and sponsering al_Qaeda or some other version of the same old story with a new teller. Islamist don't really like socialists much either no matter how much they try to friend them.

Will still be on credit card. That is how wars are fought these days.
 cotter
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Posted: 1/20/2013 6:29:54 PM

Let me take this moment to inform all of our fellow poster of the passing of Oy Vay, or Bob as his friends know him.

Bob, has battled with leukemia for the past few years, but this past summer his disease took a turn for the much worse.

Let us set aside our differences of opinion for a moment to offer a prayer, sympathy for his family, or just reflect on how tenuous this life is.

Bless you Bob.
He will be dearly missed. (Sigh ... another number that I will not be able to delete from my phone.) I had been talking with Bob last summer ... we were making plans to meet up but he got sick and couldn't make it. I sing with a local German chorus and travel throughout the US (occasionally to Europe) and was down his way ... was gonna meet up with him on a long flight layover. We had lots of nice long conversations.
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:46:52 AM

Let me take this moment to inform all of our fellow poster of the passing of Oy Vay, or Bob as his friends know him.

Bob, has battled with leukemia for the past few years, but this past summer his disease took a turn for the much worse.

Let us set aside our differences of opinion for a moment to offer a prayer, sympathy for his family, or just reflect on how tenuous this life is.

Bless you Bob.


Sorry to hear of the passing of this member of the community.
Despite all the partisan rhetoric spewed in here, it is all, in the end, just a form of entertainment.
However it is always regrettable to hear of the suffering of any human being and certainly the loss of any, is a tragedy.

It is curious to read some of the comments in hear regarding Oy Vay... who new that a sub group within this community were in such contact with each other.
It does answer some questions though!
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:43:11 AM

It is curious to read some of the comments in hear regarding Oy Vay... who new that a sub group within this community were in such contact with each other.
It does answer some questions though!


Thing is...Bob chatted with conservatives too...so, whatever it is your attempting to imply...it lacks merit...
 cotter
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^^^ BBNI ... please give me a call ... I sent my numbers!


It is curious to read some of the comments in hear regarding Oy Vay... who new that a sub group within this community were in such contact with each other.
It does answer some questions though!

Thing is...Bob chatted with conservatives too...so, whatever it is your attempting to imply...it lacks merit...
Bob and I did not talk about our forum postings in here ... when I was talking to him it was about his family and work ... and since I'm a nurse, it was also about his health.

We talked about how nice it is sometimes for the forumites to meet up. I met many of my fellow forumites at POF parties. It's a lot of fun! I once flew from Arizona to Florida to attend a POF party so I could surprise some dear friends made here in the forums.

Back when I was on unemployment, I still helped others ... once went out and purchased some clothes and sent them to a friend in the forums after I found out he had lost almost all of his clothes by accident (in a move). I have to wonder (sometimes) how many of the posters in here who are apparently well-off, who promote cutting benefits for the poor and homeless, who are in a position to help others ... actually do help others? Bob had good reason to feel sorry for himself but it never kept him from also being generous to his friends who needed help.

There are many aspects to those of us who post in the forums ... which is why it's important for us not to judge people based alone on what they post. We can have personal views on many subjects but that does not alone define who we are.
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 343
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Posted: 1/22/2013 9:49:10 AM
Funny stuff... Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

Forget about raising the federal debt limit. House Republicans are proposing to ignore it altogether -- at least until May 18.
The House plans to vote Wednesday on a measure that would leave the $16.4 trillion debt limit intact but declare that it “shall not apply” from the date the measure passes until mid-May.

President Obama said on Jan. 14 in a White House press conference that he won’t negotiate with Republicans on the federal debt ceiling. Post economic policy reporter Zachary Goldfarb explains which bills the government will and will not pay if the debt ceiling isn’t raised.

This approach -- novel in modern times -- would let Republicans avoid a potentially disastrous fight over the debt limit without actually voting to let the Treasury borrow more money.
In addition to postponing a partisan fight over the debt limit, the measure seeks to force Senate Democrats to negotiate over a formal budget resolution by mandating that lawmakers’ paychecks be held in escrow starting April 15 unless Congress adopts a comprehensive framework for spending and tax policy.

But Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Democrats are planning to draft a budget for the first time in nearly four years,
Washington Post.

Republicans are learning they cant govern from the House but need to cut the best deal possible.
Why haven't the Democrats in the Senate passed a budget 4 straight years?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:50:33 AM
Why haven't the Democrats in the Senate passed a budget 4 straight years?


Ummm...to be percise it's 1064 days since the Senate Democrats passed a budget resolution....so, let's see what that really means:



As the House prepared to begin floor consideration of several contending budget resolutions for fiscal 2013, U.S. House Speaker John Boehner released a video trumpeting the Republican position.

"Ours is the only responsible budget in town," Boehner said about the GOP spending plan proposed by Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee’s Republican chairman.

Other budget proposals included those from the House Democratic leadership, the conservative Republican Study Committee, the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus, plus a bipartisan budget inspired by the Simpson-Bowles Fiscal Commission and co-authored by Reps. Jim Cooper, a Tennessee Democrat, and Steve LaTourette, the Ohio Republican.

"Unfortunately, we're again waiting for leadership from the Democrats who run Washington," Boehner added, and then refreshed a favorite GOP talking point: "The Democrat-controlled Senate, it hasn't passed a budget in more than 1,000 days."

Ultimately the House approved the Ryan budget by a near party-line 228-191 vote, but it isn’t expected to go anywhere in the Senate. PolitiFact Ohio, though, thought it’d check out the speaker’s claim about Senate budgets.

It is similar to other statements that have been rated by PolitiFact national, PolitiFact Ohio, PolitiFact Wisconsin, PolitiFact Florida and PolitiFact New Hampshire. Among them:
"The Democrat-led Senate has failed to pass a budget for 750 days ... Senate Democrats have neglected one of their most basic responsibilities." (Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio)
"Congress has worked for two years without passing a budget." (former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer)
The U.S. Senate Democrats "have gone without any budget at all" for almost three years. (Ryan)


Each of those statements cites the same starting point as Boehner’s claim of 1,000 days -- April 29, 2009. That was, according to the Congressional Research Service and news sources, when the Senate passed a budget resolution for fiscal 2010.

No budget resolution has passed since then, so Boehner's time tally -- like those of the previously checked statements -- is accurate. The day his video statement was posted, March 28, 2012, was 1,064 days from that date.

The PolitiFact rulings on these and other similar statements depended on their phrasing, but none was rated entirely True.

Knowing how Congress comes up with its federal budget helps to explain why.

Since the passage of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, the Senate and the House are supposed to pass budget resolutions in the spring. These budget resolutions set a framework for spending, taxation and other fiscal items in the coming fiscal year. They also lay out general plans for the next four years. If these budget resolutions differ, the chambers are supposed to hammer out a compromise.

Budget resolutions are policy plans. They are not appropriations bills, or spending bills, which actually allocate money for specific purposes.

If a budget resolution doesn’t pass, the federal government won’t go dark. In the absence of a budget resolution, appropriations bills have continued to allocate money.

But, as a previous PolitiFact story said, "the inability to pass the budget framework can reflect poorly on the majority's organizational skills and/or the degree of partisan discord in Congress. It also increases the likelihood of a logjam of appropriations bills in the fall and winter, and decreases the chance that controversial tax bills will pass the Senate."

We wondered if the Senate, under Democratic control, had neglected its basic responsibility.

Our PolitiFact colleagues in Wisconsin, Florida and at PolitiFact national had the same question, and concluded that neither party can claim superiority on budget resolutions.

In 2010, the then Democratic-controlled House and Senate did not adopt a budget resolution or adopt a single spending bill "because the Democrats were afraid of being labeled big spenders," said Steve Ellis, a budget expert with Taxpayers for Common Sense, an independent group that analyzes federal spending.

Senate Democrats didn’t pass a fiscal 2011 budget because "Republicans were threatening to hijack the budget process and waste the American people’s time with pointless political votes," a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told PolitiFact Florida. "Faced with this obstruction, we decided it would be a more productive use of the American people’s time to move on and address other issues critical to middle-class families."

Our Florida colleagues also found that the House and Senate have failed to pass a joint budget bill on four earlier occasions since 1983.

For fiscal year 2003, the Senate, under Democratic control in 2002, failed to pass a budget resolution of any kind. For fiscal 1999, 2005 and 2007, the House and Senate failed to reconcile their different bills and pass a compromise measure. In these latter three cases, the Republicans were in the majority in both chambers of Congress.

Those facts lend perspective to Boehner’s statement.

But on its face, Boehner’s statement is accurate. And it is more precisely worded than those that we’ve previously checked.

On the Truth-O-Meter, it rates True.

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2012/apr/26/john-boehner/john-boehner-says-senate-dems-havent-passed-budget/
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:15:22 AM
Oh I see ... even though they control the Senate. and it is their responsibility it is the minority Republicans fault.
Ahh... so enlightening.
A simple minority can pass the Presidents budget in the Senate.

But that hasn't happened for 3 years?
The sun was in their eyes...
They were sick on budget discussion days...
Those waskilly Republicans ate their homework...

Maybe it's just plain politics which the Democrats have payed wonderfully these past 4 years.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 346
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Posted: 1/23/2013 5:31:31 AM

Oh I see ... even though they control the Senate. and it is their responsibility it is the minority Republicans fault.
Ahh... so enlightening.
A simple minority can pass the Presidents budget in the Senate.


Well, I didn't get that from the Politifact article...what I got is partisan bickering and that it's not a budget, but a budget resolution.


Knowing how Congress comes up with its federal budget helps to explain why.

Since the passage of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, the Senate and the House are supposed to pass budget resolutions in the spring. These budget resolutions set a framework for spending, taxation and other fiscal items in the coming fiscal year. They also lay out general plans for the next four years. If these budget resolutions differ, the chambers are supposed to hammer out a compromise.


So, a budget resolution isn't really a budget, but an outline of general tax, spending, and other fiscal items for the coming fiscal year.

Good to see that the GOP backed down on holding the US hostage over the debt ceiling and the US will continue to pay the bills for items already bought.

I often wonder why Social Security and medicare are looked at by the GOP as safety net programs...after all...I've bought and paid for both of these programs with SSI and medicare taxes...and the Social Security trust fund is $2.7 trillion dollars in the black (with US treasuries).
 Aries_328
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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:15:50 AM
^^^

Wow, everyone should read your post. You are now the Alex Jones of the leftists.

Who took the money from Social Security this time?
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/pr/trustee12-pr.html


The Social Security Board of Trustees today released its annual report on the financial health of the Social Security Trust Funds. The combined assets of the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds will be exhausted in 2033, three years sooner than projected last year. The DI Trust Fund will be exhausted in 2016, two years earlier than last year’s estimate. The Trustees also project that OASDI program costs will exceed non-interest income in 2012 and will remain higher throughout the remainder of the 75-year period.


Was it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/obamas-tax-holiday-a-pois_b_793526.html

Obama's "Tax Holiday": A Poison Pill for Social Security


Obama pulled the plug on Social Security all last year. Did you **** about it?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:31:43 AM
Obama pulled the plug on Social Security all last year


Oh gee...it was all President Obama's doing??? But please, don't let these "facts" get in the way of your magical thinking:



Supporting the overall measure were 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans; opposed were 112 Democrats and 36 Republicans.

The bill extends for two years all of the Bush-era tax rates and provides a one-year payroll tax cut for most American workers, delivering what economists predict will be a needed lift. The Senate approved the package on Wednesday by 81 to 19.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/us/politics/17cong.html?pagewanted=all



Regardless...SSI and Medicare are benefits bought and paid for by Americans directly thru taxes specifically for the programs...yet, defense has no such targeted taxes...when the defense budget is 20% of total revenues collected....the revenues for SSI and Medicare are included...they should not be...since they are targeted benefit taxes...and should be kept seperate from the totla revenues...but they aren't...because if they were kept seperate from the calculation, as they should be...then defense would take up something like 40% of the general revenues.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:01:18 AM
Regardless...SSI and Medicare are benefits bought and paid for by Americans directly thru taxes specifically for the programs...yet, defense has no such targeted taxes...when the defense budget is 20% of total revenues collected....the revenues for SSI and Medicare are included...they should not be...since they are targeted benefit taxes...and should be kept seperate from the totla revenues...but they aren't...because if they were kept seperate from the calculation, as they should be...then defense would take up something like 40% of the general revenues.


With so many dying before they are 50 or at least before they even qualify for social security there does not seem to be a problem funding the program or shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps this is what the real "death panels" are. Isn't it Republicans that are trying to keep people from having health insurance and now they want the money people put in for their own retirement as well?


Americans have lowest probability of surviving till 50

Also, new evidence revealed that younger generation of US citizens (those under 50) die earlier and have poorer health than their counterparts in other developed nations, according to a new study of health and longevity in US.

US men ranked last in life expectancy among the 17 countries in the study, and American women as second to last.

The 378-page report by a panel of experts convened by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council was based on a broad review of mortality and health studies and statistics and included other countries such as, Canada, Japan, Australia, France, Germany and Spain.

More specifically, US male deaths before the age of 50 account for two-thirds of the difference in life expectancy when compared to their counterparts in other countries and about one-third of the difference for females.

Americans have also a higher rate of death from guns, car accidents and drug addiction.

“Something fundamental is going wrong,” chairman of the Department of Family Medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University Steven Woolf told the New York Times. “Something at the core is causing the US to slip behind these other high-income countries. And it’s getting worse.”

The rate of firearm homicides was 20 times higher in the US than in the other countries, according to the report.

The US also had the second-highest death rate from the most common form of heart disease and the second-highest death rate from lung disease.

Americans even had the lowest probability of surviving till the age of 50.

The study attempts to explain such low results by highlighting American disjointed healthcare system with a large number of uninsured citizens and high levels of poverty in the country as possible reasons for the outcome.

These realities have taken their toll on the US annual rankings of World’s Happiest Countries as US has slipped from 10th to 12th place for the first time in the six-year history of the Legatum Institute‘s Prosperity Index.

The US is now behind Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries, including Norway, Denmark and Sweden, which ranked top three in the index.
http://rt.com/usa/news/us-poverty-kids-health-687/
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:19:16 PM
Republicans have no objection to anyone getting health insurance. They object to people being required to pay for it, including employers.

The problem with the GOP attitude, is that they have made no effort at all to deal with the problems of the
less-than-rich people, who need health care. They want to drive wages down as part of reducing business expenses, in the belief that this will make the US more competitive with overseas nations, and will ultimately result in an over all more robust economy(they are probably correct in this); but they are uninterested in helping anyone who isn't already well off, to adjust to the real costs of making the painful transition required. That includes that the ONLY way they have been willing to contribute anything at all to trying to reduce medical costs, has been to try to help Insurance companies improve their bottom line, by Federally limiting how much a doctor can be sued for (Tort Reform).

But they don't object to anyone who wants insurance, paying for all of it from their own reduced wages.
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